Shutdown, Slowdown or Lowdown?

Okay, we’ve shut down 17% of the government, what have we learned?

We’ve learned that very few Federal employees are actually ‘essential’, in many cases, single digit percentages. We’ve also learned that government employees that should be ‘essential’ are not; reference here is to the national security infrastructure.

We’ve learned that while 17% is not a large number, all things considered, it is enough to inflict unnecessary pain on the innocent who actually pay for things to remain open.

We’ve learned that when the President speaks of fairness, his behavior gives lie to any true motivation on his part for that to be the case. If the President truly did have sensitivity for fairness what we see around us would not be happening.

We’ve learned that our President is a nasty piece of work when he doesn’t get his way. I’m not qualified to put my finger on exactly what his psychological problem may be but he clearly has one, or two, or five; or……oh well.

We’ve learned that the President could not fill a zip lock bag with his leadership skills; no offense to zip lock bags intended.

We’ve learned that America is not buying what the President is selling. The polling numbers are, no doubt, not what he expected. President Obama is no President Clinton and his lack of engagement is exposing him for what he is; lazy, mean and disconnected. Why else would you delegate non-negotiations to Harry Reid?

We’ve learned that despite all of the President’s talk of the economy; arbitrary, unnecessary shutdowns are having an unnecessary negative economic impact all over the country. Tourism and its related components are the largest industry in the country and the apparent center of the target for the Presidents “Pain Initiative”! Tourism is, by the way, where those low income workers the President claims to fight for actually work.

We’ve learned, as each day has gone by, that the President is not afraid of the blowback from the petty closures his administration has demanded. We’ve learned that he is perfectly willing to double down as each day brings reports of new closures. This day the target was New Hampshire at the height of ‘leaf peeping’ season.

We’ve learned that he just does not give a s_ _t! Even programs he wholeheartedly supports such as support for, Women Infants and Children (WIC) are unimportant in the President’s grand game of Chicken.

We’ve learned that defeating Republicans is more important to the President than anything. More important than: WIC, Head Start, Veterans, intelligence analysts, commissaries for military families, Amber alert websites and so on. But the amnesty rally on the national mall will go on absent the threats made to the other segments of the body politic. Nasty piece of work indeed

We’ve learned that common sense offers from the opposition is a failed effort. No funding of anything until there is funding for everything, which has actually been offered. Personally, I never understood the ‘nothing is better than something’ mentality; but I’m not a politician.

We’ve learned that Republicans are not truly committed to spending reductions either.

And finally we have learned, I hope, that Jefferson’s admonition that a government that can provide everything has the power to take it away will gain a new resonance, a new meaning and a new life in our political discourse.

  • Bill Hedges

    OFF Topic for a moment, it WAS Obama who wanted to close Gitmo correct ? Did he want trials held in THE STATES ? Bin-dead didn’t have to die. Fully armored soldiers could have used any of a number of non-lethal means. Was leaving non-fully destroyed sheath helicopter reward for their allowing us to extract ?

    Recently we extracted a terrorist. Successful one in two. Was announced on news terrorist would be questioned on a US military ship WITHOUT the due process of being told his Miranda rights. Wasn’t THAT THE BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN Bush & them ? They wouldn’t water-board or use Gitmo. They have trial HERE. Ah, no Miranda, NO TRIAL HERE. We water-board some of our own people for learning purposes. Will THEY USE now ? INTERESTING !!!

    As I understand EPA is 93 % shut down. When the engines are restated, don’t power up the EPA:

    “Over 93% of EPA Employees Considered ‘Non-Essential'”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/01/Over-93-of-EPA-Employees-Considered-Non-Essential

    Unfortunately “non-essential” for purpose of government shut-down doesn’t relate directly to “We’ve also learned that government employees that should be ‘essential’ are not”. Yes 93 % of EPA employees are off the job, but we need our water and air clean. Short intermission is acceptable under a have to do situation.

    I TOO do not agree with ” ‘nothing is better than something’ mentality”. Have given quotes NEITHER DID REAGAN. I CALL THESE miniscule number of extremist conservatives “wacho birds”. OK you are referring to politicians. I see it also applying to “wacho birds” using same logic.

    In your second one sentence paragraph does “We’ve learned that Republicans are not truly committed to spending reductions either”. Explains your meaning ? Better to leave out of your article than be SO UNCLEAR as to our meaning AS FOUND in your OTHER paragraph. Do you do so because I located TWO errors in your previous article ?

  • Bob

    I’m almost moved to tears the establishments concern for the political future of the republican party as they assist with the self immolation of the party.

    “The republican party is full of gatekeepers. there are a great many of them who have been defending traditional values, even though they cannot begin to explain what traditional values are and why they defend them except in circular self defining terms. Traditional values and American exceptionalism are their goals and as the goal post keep moving so do they.”

    “Gatekeepers often don’t believe anything they say. They believe some of it but not vehemently and they lack the imagination to think of anything else. Expecting them to intelligently counter the lefts cultural warfare is absolutely hopeless. At their best they put on a superior smirk and dismiss it as ridiculous, only to concede when the debate has flanked them and the voters are no longer firmly in their traditional corner.”

    “The time is ripe for a true cultural and political revolution of the right, but that revolution has been hijacked over and over again by the gatekeepers who warn us that it’s time to play nice, that we must think of the long game, that some issues have already been lost and we need to fight only for the core issues that matter to them lest we alienate people. The long march never ends in a last stand, only another tactical withdrawal on issue after issue.”

    “Every time we bow our heads to the consensus, self-censor ourselves to stay within our prison bars and execute another tactical withdrawal to fight for some last vestige of our program that really matters, the power of the left continues to grow.”(from “So You Want A Revolution” by Daniel Greenfield)

    The public anger is building. They recognize the kabuki dance Washington is doing on both sides of the aisle at their expense. From allowing thousands of illegal aliens to hold a mass rally on the “CLOSED” mall attended by Democratic politicians to the government announcing they don’t have the money or personnel to perform burials for our fallen military. For to long our elected officials have demanded unrequited love while keeping their finger to the wind instead of on the problem. The republican establishment has prioritized winning over principle and promise us that this one is the last towel they will ever have to throw in. They assert that Conservatives hurt the parties chances of election/re-election and expect to be unchallenged simply on their privileged status owing to length of continuous service.We have traveled this road to many times. The establishment wing of the republican party is made up of Bush “Big government conservatism” which versus the Reagan “government is the problem” conservative wing.To say the Reagan electorate no longer exist gives the impression it was some kind of super natural phenomenon and that would be drastically wrong. To sat these two factions can co-exist in one party is delusional.

    What type of person becomes a skilled politician? People who distrust government and want to limit it? NO! people who succeed in government are those who love government and see it as A GREAT TOOL FOR CHANGE BY EXPANDING IT of course while benefiting themselves. That’s why people with conservative beliefs stay away from the taint of politics.Getting into a contest with Progressives to see who can give the country away the fastest is the party establishments stratagem and what got us where we are today. As Daniel Greenfield states in his article “It is a race between shaping public anger into a vehicle for political change and the speed at which the left is transforming and fragmenting the country to prevent a political revolution of the right from ever coming about.”

  • Bill Hedges

    I remember KKK marches. Liking or disliking group matters NOT in America. Those KKK marches WERE LEGAL as I recall:

    In bob’s comment, “From allowing thousands of illegal aliens to hold a mass rally on the “CLOSED” mall attended by Democratic politicians…….. ”

    Should of arrested veterans at WW 2 memorial FIRST ? Then illegals. CORRECT ?

    “They’re not gonna lock you up, brother,” Bachmann told one veteran. “They’re going to have to get through me first.”

    Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.)

  • Bob

    I shouldn’t have doubted you would miss the irony and hypocrisy of the Democrats locking the national memorials from veterans yet opening the mall to illegal aliens and have Democratic politicians thank the President for doing so.On the previous thread you say how there is no rhyme or reason on why the President closes one national property yet not another yet your views are as clouded by double standards as the lefts are.

    Perhaps it’s not the message you object to but the messenger?

  • Bill Hedges

    You should quote me so I know what you are talking about.

    Wait.

    You tend to leave out my words or sentences taking my quotes OUT OF CONTEXT as I intended. Misquoting to your sorry excuse intentions. You have inabilities. For goodness sake DON’T EVEN TRY to confab my words.

    I missed NO IRONY. WW 2 vets should have been arrested along with Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) FOR ENTERING closed PROPERTY. Followed by same thing in MALL with President no giving permission. SINCE WAS ALLOWED in Hawaii without breaking up or arrest, then in DC HAD TO BE ALLOWED in fairness. Just as KKK had right to FREEDOM OF SPEECH, same holds true for Vets & illegals.

  • Bill Hedges

    “A National Park Service official, one of the few who was not furloughed, said the veterans entering the memorial were considered to be part of a First Amendment protest.”

    “It happened yesterday, so we go day-by-day. But we understand this is a First Amendment demonstration, and this is allowed by law,” said the official, Karen Cucurullo.”

    “She directed reporters to a NPS webpage that explains why such protests are allowed to take place in certain parks in D.C. Unfortunately, because of the government shutdown, that webpage was unavailable”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/02/world-war-ii-memorial-shutdown_n_4030768.html

  • Bill Hedges

    NO ” irony and hypocrisy of the Democrats locking the national memorials from veterans yet opening the mall to illegal aliens and have Democratic politicians thank the President for doing so.”

    Such a dishonest, exaggeration bob. Fro the qute you provided appears you learned this trait from Daniel Greenfield:

    “Like all national parks, the World War II Memorial is technically closed, since the federal government has been shut down and many National Park Service employees have been furloughed. But just before 11:00 a.m., lawmakers removed the barriers on its southern end and allowed busloads of veterans and volunteers accompanying them on their trip to enter.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/02/world-war-ii-memorial-shutdown_n_4030768.html

    “Locked” out in Hawaii bob ? Doesn’t sound like it…

  • Bill Hedges

    Fro the qute SHOULD BE From the quote

  • Bob

    What ?????

    LMAO……I never said anything about a lockout in Hawaii! You’re the one who mentioned Hawaii in your 1:30 AM post. And you say I can’t my facts straight?….LMAO !

    If you can’t see the lame excuse being used for a reversal in policy regarding the W.W.II vets was brought on by BAD PRESS THEN YOU ARE MORE NAIVE THAN I THOUGHT !

    And Sen. Nancy Pelosi said a big thank you during her speech to President Obama for allowing it during the illegal alien protest.

  • Bob

    Below is a link where it GIVES PROOF that Sen.Pelosi thanked President Obama for making an exception and allowing the illegal aliens to protest.NOW IF YOU INSIST ON THE LAME EXCUSE THAT IT’S BECAUSE OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS ASK YOURSELF IF THE TEA PARTY WANTED TO PROTEST ON THE MALL WOULDN’T THOSE SAME FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS APPLY? Do you think we would have gotten permission?

    http://weaselzippers.us/2013/10/08/pelosi-thanks-obama-for-giving-special-treatment-to-pro-illegal-immigration-protesters-using-national-mall-during-shutdown/

  • Bob
  • Bob

    As we have discussed previously President Obama when he doesn’t get his way attempts to make life miserable with his petty harassments of the American publics daily routine much the way the Communist did during their occupation of Eastern Europe during the Cold War. Like the Communist the Progressive left push forward with their agenda while claiming to be the aggrieved party.It’s all about control and power and the President will attempt to use every means he has to achieve his goal. BUT IS THE PUBLIC BUYING IT? After his erroneous warnings of all sorts of calamity happening during the sequester the American public just seems to brush it off and keep on going.

    The article entitled “President Obama’s Chicken Little Challenge”

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/barack-obama-chicken-little-challenge-government-shutdown-debt-ceiling-crisis-98121.html?hp=f1

  • Bill Hedges

    1. “LMAO……I never said anything about a lockout in Hawaii! You’re the one who mentioned Hawaii in your 1:30 AM post. And you say I can’t my facts straight?….LMAO !”

    Answer:

    Bob UNITED STATES Oct 10th, 2013 at 12:54 am

    “I shouldn’t have doubted you would miss the irony and hypocrisy of the Democrats locking the national memorials from veterans yet opening the mall to illegal aliens and have Democratic politicians thank the President for doing so”

    Where else was there a incident with VETS for comparison to illegal First Amendment rights ?

    2. “If you can’t see the lame excuse being used for a reversal in policy regarding the W.W.II vets was brought on by BAD PRESS THEN YOU ARE MORE NAIVE THAN I THOUGHT !”

    What incident ? Only one I know of is in Hawaii. You say “LMAO……I never said anything about a lockout in Hawaii!”. To answer you IF NOT HAWAII then where. Besides have answered Hawaii VET deal to your determent.

    3. “And Sen. Nancy Pelosi said a big thank you during her speech to President Obama for allowing it during the illegal alien protest”

    No arrest in Hawaii and Vets allowed in memorial. Illegals allowed in kind. First Amendment rights. Have already gone into detail.

  • Bill Hedges

    “LMAO……I never said anything about a lockout in Hawaii! You’re the one who mentioned Hawaii in your 1:30 AM post. And you say I can’t my facts straight?….LMAO”

    WHAT I SAID:

    I missed NO IRONY. WW 2 vets should have been arrested along with Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) FOR ENTERING closed PROPERTY. Followed by same thing in MALL with President no giving permission. SINCE WAS ALLOWED in Hawaii without breaking up or arrest, then in DC HAD TO BE ALLOWED in fairness. Just as KKK had right to FREEDOM OF SPEECH, same holds true for Vets & illegals
    __

    Where did I say YOU MENTIONED HAWAII ??? Noted incident with Vets occurred in Hawaii. What else WOULD I DISCUSS ? Non-VET events occurring in DC since closing ? Npn-events at the Grand Canyon ?

    bob wrote “And you say I can’t my facts straight?….LMAO”

    Another PRIME EXAMPLE of that…

  • Bill Hedges

    Non-events

  • Bob

    “Only one I know of is in Hawaii”

    PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ MORE THEN!….The MOST OBVIOUS PLACE W.W.II VETERANS WERE SHUT OUT WAS THE W.W.II MEMORIAL ON THE MALL IN WASHINGTON D.C. Which to add fuel to the fire is only a few hundred yard away from where the illegal aliens were protesting…..with the Presidents blessing!

    LMAO….Your answer in response to number three makes no sense…but then you often don’t make sense. Brushing off my Tea Party question in my 1:28PM post may be convenient but doesn’t answer the question.

  • Bob

    “Victim’s aren’t expected to lead ….they expect to be rescued”

    From the article entitled: “Is Obama Locked In A Victim Mentality?”

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/10/is-obama-locked-in-victim-mentality/

    President Putin are you available to recue him AGAIN?

  • Bill Hedges

    “NOW IF YOU INSIST ON THE LAME EXCUSE THAT IT’S BECAUSE OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS ASK YOURSELF IF THE TEA PARTY WANTED TO PROTEST ON THE MALL WOULDN’T THOSE SAME FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS APPLY? Do you think we would have gotten permission?”

    Don’t consider “…LAME EXCUSE THAT IT’S BECAUSE OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS…” Was only reason I stood by DOING NOTHING when kkk legally marched.

    “Do you think we would have gotten permission?”

    Will NEVER KNOW now, for sure, AS FAR AS DC. We know in Hawaii protest was not met with resistance by police, etc..

    Tea in Hawaii was represented by Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.). You are a self- professed “wacho bird”, unaware of actions by your group in these areas. I am a self- professed TEA…

  • Bob

    “Million Vet March on The Memorials”…13th of October 2013

    http://vetmarch.com/#join

    Nate/Landreaux/Conservative Gal: If you plan on attending I would enjoy finally getting a chance to meet you.Please let me know even if it’s just a quick hi !

  • Bill Hedges

    I wrote:

    Noted incident with Vets occurred in Hawaii.

    Now you write:

    “PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ MORE THEN!….The MOST OBVIOUS PLACE W.W.II VETERANS WERE SHUT OUT WAS THE W.W.II MEMORIAL ON THE MALL IN WASHINGTON D.C. Which to add fuel to the fire is only a few hundred yard away from where the illegal aliens were protesting…..with the Presidents blessing!”

    Provide evidence was “Noted incident”.
    __

    “LMAO….Your answer in response to number three makes no sense…but then you often don’t make sense. Brushing off my Tea Party question in my 1:28PM post may be convenient but doesn’t answer the question”

    Didn’t know you answered ALL MY QUESTIONS. What your reply is TO ME give to yourself when I say that to you:

    “doesn’t answer the question”

    __

    “PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ MORE THEN!….The MOST OBVIOUS PLACE W.W.II VETERANS WERE SHUT OUT WAS THE W.W.II MEMORIAL ON THE MALL IN WASHINGTON D.C. Which to add fuel to the fire is only a few hundred yard away from where the illegal aliens were protesting…..with the Presidents blessing!”

    PRESENT your case in form of link.

  • Bob

    LMAO…..AND NOW YOU “STAND BY DOING NOTHING” while the TEA PARTY takes a stand……….YOU’RE A C.I.N.O.

    “The New Contract With America”

    http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/richedit/upload/2k6c8d5c3580.jpg

    If you weren’t a C.I.N.O. you wouldn’t take offense to this link!

  • Bill Hedges

    I wrote :

    PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ MORE THEN!….The MOST OBVIOUS PLACE W.W.II VETERANS WERE SHUT OUT WAS THE W.W.II MEMORIAL ON THE MALL IN WASHINGTON D.C. Which to add fuel to the fire is only a few hundred yard away from where the illegal aliens were protesting…..with the Presidents blessing!”

    PRESENT your case in form of link.

    Not expecting reply…

    “If you weren’t a C.I.N.O. you wouldn’t take offense to this link!”

    I “take offense” to child like stupidity. Like:

    1. bob’s naughty list

    2. “Wrong, Wrong, Wrong”Bill Hedges Oct 3rd, 2013 at 11:29 pm”

    bob believes in ”revisionist history”

    1. “Tora, Tora, Tora Bill Hedges Jun 2nd, 2013 at 5:17 pm”
    1.
    “SOME DEEP THINKING” by bob ? N E V E R. INABILITY…
    ______ HELP POLICE !!! ______________ Arrest bob for literature fraud _____ Call 911 _______________
    Fraud
    “A false representation of a matter of fact—whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or by concealment of what should have been disclosed—that deceives and is intended to deceive another so that the individual will act upon it to her or his legal injury.”
    “Fraud is commonly understood as dishonesty calculated for advantage. A person who is dishonest may be called a fraud. In the U.S. legal system, fraud is a specific offense with certain features”
    http://legal-dictionary.t……com/fraud
    SUCH *** an·i·mos·i·ty *** shown. *** in·tim·i·da·tion *** doesn’t work OVER HERE. There is no *** am·bi·gu·i·ty ***. bob owes a apology for:
    A. bob partial quotes me. Leaving out the most pertinent part of my quote:
    “I watch a lot of movies.Have ban most politics from my cable.”
    I wrote:
    I watch a lot of movies. Have ban most politics from my cable. I research online.
    B. bob leaves off KEY PART OF MY QUOTE, then says:
    “I was taught that if you didn’t know what you were talking about as is clearly evident here YOU KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND NOT EMBARRASS YOURSELF!”
    bob neither *** a·pol·o·gies *** nor shows any sign of remorse. SHAMEFUL

    2. LMAO…The way I remember it was Landreaux said “Really?” to you in response to not believing the stupidity and childishness of your list.

    3. War memorials were closed on reason of being non-essential by administration. Keeping out vets was for security & maintainers reasons

    4. “C.I.N.O…….When past members of this site like Bones, JD and Mike used liberal sites as references you were all over them claiming the sites are bias…NOW IT’S DIFFERENT.”

    Where is YOUR PROOF ??? YOU HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE without proof.

    5. “Let me clue you in on something there is no absolute on web sites such as “You Decide Politics” simply opinions based on where you lean in the political spectrum and which you have trouble dealing with.You JUSTIFY not “verify” your facts from whatever web site disagrees with my opinion be it from the left or right.”

    1+1 never equals 5.

    6.Pssst……..I’m not here to fill your expectations. I could care less what you believe I wrote.

    I mostly quote you. Exactly. In context. Unlike what you do to ME.

    7. Your Yogi character assignation.

    Out of context & misquote.

  • Bill Hedges

    Why does bob NOT PROVIDE link ? bob wrote:

    “PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ MORE THEN!….The MOST OBVIOUS PLACE W.W.II VETERANS WERE SHUT OUT WAS THE W.W.II MEMORIAL ON THE MALL IN WASHINGTON D.C. Which to add fuel to the fire is only a few hundred yard away from where the illegal aliens were protesting…..with the Presidents blessing!”

    This doesn’t fit your description. Is near exact same outcome as Hawaii. “SHUT OUT ” indeed. NOT:

    “Shutdown doesn’t keep vets from WWII Memorial”

    “WASHINGTON — They fought a war and flew in at dawn from Mississippi, so a few barricades provoked little more than shrugs from the 91 World War II veterans who crossed political lines Tuesday to walk and wheel around their memorial on the National Mall.”

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/01/honor-flights-shutdown/2903341/

    NAME CALL doesn’t diminish your exaggerations.

    Who CARES if Vets don’t have “Presidents blessing”. He has insulted vets AS STANDARD PRACTICE from day one. Being one of few Presidents not attending ball for their honor on night one.

    Vets earned their place in America.

    As proved in my lists, your blood is tainted…

  • Bob

    “The Tea Party can’t get what it wants through normal legislative means or ballot box.”……Jay Carney White House Press Secretary

    I love it when the left PROFESSES THEY ARE ONLY LOOKING OUT FOR THE GOOD OF THE republican PARTY! NEXT TIME MAYBE HE CAN GET SEN.MCCAIN TO STAND ALONG SIDE HIM. Perhaps Mr.Carney should look closer to home.This administration has set the bar for Czars,Executive Proclamations,and using the courts in attempting to override the Constitutional limits on passing legislation and Senator McCain has been the Sorcerer’s Apprentice.

    Quote from article entitled: Carney: Spiteful Tea Party Doing Harm To Republican Party”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/10/Carney-tea-Party

  • Bill Hedges
  • Bill Hedges

    Rather discuss NOW White House press secretary than:

    “PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ MORE THEN!….The MOST OBVIOUS PLACE W.W.II VETERANS WERE SHUT OUT WAS THE W.W.II MEMORIAL ON THE MALL IN WASHINGTON D.C. Which to add fuel to the fire is only a few hundred yard away from where the illegal aliens were protesting…..with the Presidents blessing!”

    How did you like my link disproving you ?:

    Bill Hedges Oct 10th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

  • Bob

    Dear http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/richedit/upload/2k86c1e1cc94.gif

    Why don’t I provide any links? Because the way your request is framed it is obvious that you have no response but simply attempting to prolong this by your dog chasing his tail demand. I have better things to do than continue on your carousel of going in circles answering asinine request. Besides you seem to put all your stock in believing liberal links like “Huffington Post”.

    A MEMBER OF THE TEA PARTY ! YEAH RIGHT!

  • Bill Hedges

    USAToday is not “Huffington Post”.

    Want to be BIG MAN ON CAMPUS prove my “Huffington Post” and USAToday WRONG.

    So no showing the facts ARE IN DOUBT that I provided ? Of course you don’t.

    You can check the archives and find my using far more than left wing links. Such exaggerations. Vets crossed the tapes in DC

    I wrote:

    Why does bob NOT PROVIDE link ? bob wrote:

    “PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ MORE THEN!….The MOST OBVIOUS PLACE W.W.II VETERANS WERE SHUT OUT WAS THE W.W.II MEMORIAL ON THE MALL IN WASHINGTON D.C. Which to add fuel to the fire is only a few hundred yard away from where the illegal aliens were protesting…..with the Presidents blessing!”

    This doesn’t fit your description. Is near exact same outcome as Hawaii. “SHUT OUT ” indeed. NOT:

    “Shutdown doesn’t keep vets from WWII Memorial”

    “WASHINGTON — They fought a war and flew in at dawn from Mississippi, so a few barricades provoked little more than shrugs from the 91 World War II veterans who crossed political lines Tuesday to walk and wheel around their memorial on the National Mall.”

    http://www.usatoday.com/s…..n/2903341/

    bob excuses:

    “Why don’t I provide any links? Because the way your request is framed it is obvious that you have no response but simply attempting to prolong this by your dog chasing his tail demand”
    __

    Check your comments bob. Is commonplace, for you, to provide link backing your statements. No cooperating evidence bob ? That’s real reason. Can’t disprove “Huffington Post” ?

  • Bill Hedges

    No “carousel of going in circles answering asinine request. ” WOW, bob wanted me to answer HIS QUESTIONS.

    Your comment fell off a cliff. As in Hawaii, Vets did same thing in DC. Not “locked out” or kicked out.

    If you only could disprove link I used, you would. How else to prove I am “asinine”. You have THE WANT but not ABILITY…

  • Bob

    “CAN’T DISPROVE HUFFINGTON POST”????????

    LMMFAO !…NO STOP YOU’VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!

  • Bill Hedges

    bob has a long history of misquoting me or taking out of context what I say. Is this mental ? His attempt to dishonestly PROVE ME WRONG THROUGH deviant MEANS. WHAT I wrote differs:

    If you only could disprove link I used, you would. How else to prove I am “asinine”. You have THE WANT but not ABILITY…

    I put buma down. But your dishonest accounting of:

    “PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ MORE THEN!….The MOST OBVIOUS PLACE W.W.II VETERANS WERE SHUT OUT WAS THE W.W.II MEMORIAL ON THE MALL IN WASHINGTON D.C. Which to add fuel to the fire is only a few hundred yard away from where the illegal aliens were protesting…..with the Presidents blessing!”

    Goes beyond TRUTH as I have proved. Your links proving me wrong IS LACKING…

  • Bill Hedges

    Your links proving me wrong IS LACKING… Actually, NON-EXISTING…

  • Bill Hedges

    FOR my entertaining pleasure. A link that can not be confused as liberal:

    “Shut-down overreach: Obama attempted to prevent WWII vets from visiting WWII Memorial; Updated: Obama wants to open talks with GOP”

    “WASHINGTON — Military veterans are declaring war on the government shutdown”

    “Eventually, when the Vets arrived, Obama’s henchmen relented and let the vets in. And yes, this is on Obama. Not only did our illustrious commander-in-chief know about this in advance, but Obama’s OMB is the entity which ordered the barricades to be erected. Unreal. If this story gets the press coverage it truly deserves, the Republicans may yet win this shut-down standoff in the court of public opinion.”

    http://conservatives4palin.com/2013/10/shut-down-overreach-obama-attempted-to-prevent-wwii-vets-from-visiting-wwii-memorial.html

    STILL your statement BITS THE DUST. YOU DON’T PROVIDE LINK BECAUSE OF “I have better things to do than continue on your carousel of going in circles answering asinine request. Besides you seem to put all your stock in believing liberal links like “Huffington Post”, you’re full of “LMMFAO !…” as YOU wrote.

  • Bill Hedges

    bob shame continue with FOX NEWS. BOB WROTE:

    “PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ MORE THEN!….The MOST OBVIOUS PLACE W.W.II VETERANS WERE SHUT OUT WAS THE W.W.II MEMORIAL ON THE MALL IN WASHINGTON D.C. Which to add fuel to the fire is only a few hundred yard away from where the illegal aliens were protesting…..with the Presidents blessing!”

    VET WERE not “SHUT OUT” neither in Hawaii nor DC Mall:

    “New wave of WWII veterans move barricades to access DC memorial”

    Articles basically very similar from HUFFINGTON POST & the two conservative links.

    Now bob, prove me WRONG. You wish:

    “CAN’T DISPROVE HUFFINGTON POST”????????

    LMMFAO !…NO STOP YOU’VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!

    bob ALSO says:

    “I have better things… ”

    Yeah. Not being SHOWN wrong. BE SURE to change subject tomorrow for SELF-PRESERVATION, being “asinine” can be permanent infliction if not already IN YOUR BONES……

  • Bob

    ALL OF YOUR LIBERAL LINKS SEEM TO BE FOR “ENTERTAINING PLEASURE”

    YOU DIDN’T ACCEPT LIBERAL LINKS FROM ANY OF OUR LEFT LEANING MEMBERS BUT NOW YOU THINK THEY ARE PROOF.IF ONLY J.D, BONES OR MIKE WERE HERE TO WITNESS YOUR HYPOCRISY !….LMAO !

  • Bill Hedges
  • Bill Hedges

    Still waiting for proof of:

    “YOU DIDN’T ACCEPT LIBERAL LINKS FROM ANY OF OUR LEFT LEANING MEMBERS BUT NOW YOU THINK THEY ARE PROOF.IF ONLY J.D, BONES OR MIKE WERE HERE TO WITNESS YOUR HYPOCRISY !….LMAO !”

    bob shame continue with FOX NEWS. BOB WROTE:

    “PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ MORE THEN!….The MOST OBVIOUS PLACE W.W.II VETERANS WERE SHUT OUT WAS THE W.W.II MEMORIAL ON THE MALL IN WASHINGTON D.C. Which to add fuel to the fire is only a few hundred yard away from where the illegal aliens were protesting…..with the Presidents blessing!”

    VET WERE not “SHUT OUT” neither in Hawaii nor DC Mall:

    “New wave of WWII veterans move barricades to access DC memorial”

    Articles basically very similar from HUFFINGTON POST & the two conservative links.

    Now bob, prove me WRONG. You wish:

    “CAN’T DISPROVE HUFFINGTON POST”????????

    LMMFAO !…NO STOP YOU’VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!

    bob ALSO says:

    “I have better things… ”

    Yeah. Not being SHOWN wrong. BE SURE to change subject tomorrow for SELF-PRESERVATION, being “asinine” can be permanent infliction if not already IN YOUR BONES……

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/02/new-wave-wwii-veterans-move-barricades-to-access-dc-memorial/

  • Bill Hedges

    1 liberal + 2 conservative links – no links from bob = bob wrong.

    bob standing on his right NOT TO PROVIDE LINK PROOF. No link bob on this says:

    “PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ MORE THEN!….The MOST OBVIOUS PLACE W.W.II VETERANS WERE SHUT OUT WAS THE W.W.II MEMORIAL ON THE MALL IN WASHINGTON D.C. Which to add fuel to the fire is only a few hundred yard away from where the illegal aliens were protesting…..with the Presidents blessing!”

    THIS IS “ENTERTAINING PLEASURE”. You KNOW you’re sinking in a tar pit on this. Bringing up J.D, BONES OR MIKE WITHOUT proof of what you say AGAIN. Still NO PROOF. THAT MAKES IT “LMMFAO !…” as you say. When I see a liberal link, I’ll use it over the conservative one if pertinent to my point FOR YOUR PLEASURE…

  • Bill Hedges

    YOU keep using New York Times…

  • Bob

    Do you honestly believe this was all made up? That all the reports we read in the papers and saw on television of barriers going up and people kept out were fake? We didn’t imagine the American public was being shut out of our National parks and memorials. When veterans did get into them it because of their defiance and tenacity which caused bad press and forced the administration to capitulate. It was the American public like the bikers,the truckers (supposedly next Tuesday)and veterans who will protest this Sunday who lend support to the cause. The administration however is under pressure by a number of other factions such as the government unions which are slowly coming back to work. As Landreaux pointed out government closure in down to only 17%.I read this morning where National Parks will open when funded by the states.

    As I stated in my 10th of October @5:32PM post I refuse to get into one of your dog chasing his tail discussions with you that have no ending. Especially when it is simply to feed your narcissistic ego to prove how intelligent you think you are over everyone else. I refer you to your first post last paragraph on this thread dated 7th of October 2013 @7:21 PM as an example.

    Personally I can’t understand how someone who is constantly against the Tea Party Senators Cruz, Lee and Paul and defends the administrations actions can call himself a member of the Tea Party? I can only assume you fell for the jibberish the left preaches concerning self esteem because they and you think so highly of yourselves.Taking this tack may build your self esteem but are shallow victories that don’t build respect. The purpose of these web sites are to exchange ideas and opinions not the gladiator challenges you intend them to be. That’s why it’s called “You Decide…….”

    Until you change you tack and can hold conversations and exchange ideas like an adult……….

  • Bill Hedges

    I see you continue to RE-WRITE what I have said, to YOUR PLEASURE.

    You MUST KNOW my admiration I have for you. Last night O’Reiily talked of FACTS.

    “When veterans did get into them …”. bob’s statements was destined to BIT THE DUST:

    “PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ MORE THEN!….The MOST OBVIOUS PLACE W.W.II VETERANS WERE SHUT OUT WAS THE W.W.II MEMORIAL ON THE MALL IN WASHINGTON D.C. Which to add fuel to the fire is only a few hundred yard away from where the illegal aliens were protesting…..with the Presidents blessing!”

    As bob says, “LMMFAO !…NO STOP YOU’VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!”, Unlike what bob does for me, is EXACT quote by him.

    Rest of your proclamation… yadda, yadda, yadda. YOU WISH…