WRONG, WRONG, WRONG

I was never of a mind that a government shutdown was a good idea. As of two days ago did not think it would happen; thinking that all the bluff and bluster would resolve itself. I assumed that the constant harangue by Senate leadership was a negotiating position. Defunding was not going to happen, although I rooted for it. Considering the sad state of the ObamaCare roll out, it seemed a delay was a rational fallback position in light of the polling; both for the President and ObamaCare. I was WRONG!

I thought our ‘ruling class’ would identify the political jeopardy in cutting out special provisions for themselves and their staffs. I was WRONG!

Heck, I thought, there have already been seven ‘modifications’ to ACA, absent the legal basis upon which to do it, what’s one or two more? WRONG!

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

Apparently, any sense of rationality is horribly misplaced. Apparently I forgot my own maxim; “it’s never about what they say it’s about”. ObamaCare has always been about control and the power that accrues when a central authority controls 16% of the economy and your most intimate information.

Once again, public opinion seems to carry no weight with some on Capitol Hill and at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, or more accurately it’s not meaningful in an off election year.

The Democrats are correct; if you want to control the agenda, win more elections! At the same time if national polling is correct this political theater should help do exactly that. While Republicans will, without question, be blamed by the national media, the national media’s numbers aren’t all that good either with just 11% (Gallup, September 2013) saying that they have a great deal of confidence in the mass media. In Pew polls only 26% think the media gets their facts straight. The most recent RCP average on ObamaCare shows approval at 39%, with the worst of the polls at a 31% approval. The President is at 44% and the right/wrong track is at better than two to one, wrong track; 27.3% right track, 64% wrong track.

Within that context and considering where we are, Republicans should make it a point not to blink. They have assumed a variety of positions regarding ObamaCare and if indeed the President is in decline, ObamaCare is being rejected and the media lacks credibility, why not take a stand, now that the Senate and the President have forced a government ‘slowdown’?

Delay something that is not working? Extremism! Insist that Congress joins the rest of us in the ObamaCare morass? Terrorism! Fight the issue that you were elected to fight, that everyone on the hill knew you were elected to fight? Radicalism!

It was, of course, not radical to take over Health Care on the backs of a single political party. It was not extreme to pass such a consequential bill absent knowledge of what was in it, by the people passing it. Nope, that’s just good old mainstream American politics. To redefine a week’s work as less than the fulltime definition in Europe (34 hours) was not a problem; except that it is. To have to hire consultants (yes I did) to wend my way thought the options for my employees Is expensive and may lead nowhere positive.

It is also fully acceptable that the President, faced with a challenge did nothing other than what he does best, give speeches, minimize opposing opinion, denigrate men and women of good faith who oppose his policies and provide main stream media talking points which were quickly picked up and repeated to the point of distraction.

Rep Jim Moran (D Va) when asked about the carve out for Congress and Congressional staffs responded; “they are overworked and underpaid and they should not have to deal with this”. The highly insulting implication was that if you’re on the Hill ‘your special’. That no one else works as hard as you do or is as underpaid as you are. They do work hard, so do the Chambermaids that work in my Housekeeping Department.

The ruling class has spoken; for thee, but not for me.

  • Bob

    By republicans waiting to see if Obamacare will crumble under it’s own weight before doing anything was a consideration but it had extreme consequences to the nation.The harm that it would have done to the economy and the increase in unemployment would have been a disaster which the public rightfully would have said “why didn’t you do something to avoid this”. Simply to prove your point it would have been cutting off your nose to spite your face and put us further back in recovery which would have taken years to get out.By approaching the problem now republicans are saying “Obamacare is flawed and the administration realizes this by giving exemptions to friends and supporters.Why not delay it a year to work out the kinks”. If this tactic fails, Obamacare is funded and eventually collapses under it’s own weight they can then say “We tried to tell you.”

    I saw a poll on Yahoo yesterday with big headlines” Republicans Blamed For Shutdown”. However this poll was on the Liberal Yahoo site and was done by CNN. This brings to mind an article I posted recently on another thread that shows the phony numbers the White House communications shop gives out concerning “Twitter”. Neither one is hardly a reputable sources but the Democrats have no fear of exploiting.The RNC and republican leadership need to inform the public with facts on the flaws in Obamacare if they are serious about winning this battle.

    The Constitution gives the House of Representatives control over the purse strings and expects the Executive branch to negotiate. In addition the Supreme court ruled Obamacare was a tax which gives the House every right to control spending. The Democrats didn’t object to not funding the Vietnam War in 1974 in order to defund it. By the President declaring he will not negotiate and has nothing to give up just who is “holding the nation hostage”?

    The side bar to this which I will keep an eye on is which republican will think nothing of throwing fellow republicans under the bus to further his own personal agenda.

  • Bill Hedges

    “By republicans waiting to see if Obamacare will crumble under it’s own weight before doing anything was a consideration but it had extreme consequences to the nation”

    More spit in the eye of TRUTH.

    SINCE our taking control of House WHAT FUNDING has passed House for bumcare ? Near 100 % vote against bills supporting bumcare funding IN BOTH HOUSES.

    Did you murder truth ???

  • Bob

    Dear: http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/richedit/upload/2k86c1e1cc94.gif

    LMAO……You have absolutely no sense of how to converse with another person do you? Perhaps you should read peoples post as simply exchanging ideas concerning current events and the “what if we took this approach”sense. Instead you insist on this childish exercise of parsing each word in order to score points.But then to you there is no alternative view………or you don’t want to face up to them.

    Either grow up or keep on your own side of the fence and I’ll stay on mine as you originally proposed.

  • Bill Hedges

    Bill on debt ceiling denied funding for bumcare.

    YET bob wrote:

    “By republicans waiting to see if Obamacare will crumble under it’s own weight before doing anything was a consideration but it had extreme consequences to the nation”

  • Bob

    “Government Shuts Down, Nation Descends Into Riots, Looting and Cannibalism”

    http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013/10/government-shuts-down-nation-descends.html

    JUST LIKE THE 17 OTHER TIMES IT SHUT DOWN

  • Bob

    “BEFORE AND AFTER PROOF THAT WE ARE ALL DOOMED WITHOUT GOVERNMENT”

    http://assets.patriotpost.us/images/2013-10-01-b1ea120b_large.jpg

  • Bill Hedges

    “New House GOP strategy”

    “However, sources in the House Republican leadership told CNN on Tuesday they plan a series of votes to fund specific government departments and programs, starting with spending for veterans, the District of Columbia and the Park Service.”

    “Some conservatives led by GOP Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas have called for such a strategy, which would force opponents to vote against authorizing spending for popular programs like veterans affairs.”

    “Under the scenario described by Cruz, the piecemeal spending plan would be a way to defund Obamacare on a step-by-step basis.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/01/politics/government-shutdown/

    Don’t see any Republicans being against this…

  • Bill Hedges

    From my previous comment, bob seems WRONG:

    “By republicans waiting to see if Obamacare will crumble under it’s own weight before doing anything was a consideration but it had extreme consequences to the nation”

    REPUBLICANS have yet to fund buma. Right bob… We’re not waiting…

  • Bill Hedges

    Seems like we tried to get bumcare declared unconstitutional. Right bob… We’re not waiting…

  • Bill Hedges

    Your little “r” in Republican along with your discouraging, untruthful remarks about Republicans will not get me off your back. I’m going to prove you wrong.

    You want “keep on your own side of the fence and I’ll stay on mine” then STOP IT…

  • Bill Hedges

    I forgot a few “”…

  • Bob

    “Until circa 1990 Americans had taken seriously the relationship between appropriations and democracy. House and Senate used to divide the Executive departments request for funds and programs into multiple categories and sub categories.Then many committees and sub-committees held hearings on each item followed by mark-up sessions in which each would be modified and voted on. Thereafter the full House and Senate would debate,amend, approve or disapprove them one by one. This was “regular order”-more or less as described by civics books.

    This changed at first gradually in the 1980’s when Democrats and Republicans who were resisting the Reagan administration efforts to trim government figured out that individual appropriations bills delayed until the end of the fiscal year could be rolled together into omnibus bills. These could be advertised as merely continuing the current years programs and spending levels. In reality these all in one bills 1) protected current programs from scrutiny, amendments or repeal 2)were stuffed with new favors ,programs provisions and priorities that could not have survived an open process. Since 1989 Congress has followed mostly “regular order” only twice;in 1995 and 1997.

    This especially empowers the President and the interest aligned with him. So long as his allies control at least one house of Congress, they can make regular appropriations impossible, force the government to operate under CR’s and shape the CR’s with the threat of a Presidential veto of any that contain items of which they disapprove. Then he can accuse those who insist on displeasing him with “shutting down the government” without entering into the substantive merits of the programs at issue.”

    The Democratic Party’s leaders supported by their voters,have used CR’s forthrightly,believing as they do that government governs best when it governs most with the least interference from the public. By contrast Republican leaders from the two Bushes on down have collaborated in CR’s as a way of supporting big government programs while pretending to share the small government preference of republican voters.”

    From the article:”Continuing Appropriation Resolution Subvert Limited Government”

    http://www.libertylawsite.org/2013/09/22/continuing-appropriations-resolutions-subvert-limited-government/

  • Bob

    “Former Rep. Patrick Murphy suggested in a MSNBC op-ed that Gabby Gifford was shot because she voted for Obamacare”

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/patrick-murphy-gabby-giffords-97725.html?hp=f2

  • Bob

    “WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD WASHINGTON”

    The President who has spent his entire 5 years setting one class of people against one another and using a hyper-partisan culture as his coin of realm has reached his apex. The government shutdown has FORCED THE PRESIDENT to make due with only one quarter of his normal White House staff. THAT WOULD BE 436 PEOPLE OUT OF THE NORMAL 1701.

    THE OUTRAGE OVER NATIONAL PARKS CLOSING AND EMPTY MUSEUMS ARE SIMPLY WINDOW DRESSING FOR THE PUBLICS CONSUMPTION. The federal government employs 3 million civilian workers which works out to one for every 100 Americans. The only time there were more federal workers was during the closing days of World War II. Government employees suffer a 4.2% unemployment rate compared to 8.6% for the private sector workers. They have a union membership of 35.9% compared to 6.6% in the private sector. YES THEY WILL SUFFER UNDO HARDSHIPS ! THEY WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE BARBER SHOP AND GIFT SHOP IN THE RUSSELL SENATE BUILDING BEING CLOSED ALONG WITH THE SHOE SHINE BOOTH.

    We’re living in a government of muti-thousand page omnibus legislation which even the lawmakers admit to have not reading.(see my link above on the 1st October 2013 @ 6:55 PM post)In addition much of the responsibility and research of passing legislation is passed along to the lawmakers staff and muti-layered government agencies.

    The closest we have come to ANY ELECTED OFFICAL saying the last line of the Declaration of Independence is Senators Cruz,Rand and Lee. “……..with a firm reliance on the protection of the Devine providence we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.” STAND STRONG GENTLEMEN!

  • Bob

    Much of what was used in my above post (2nd October @ 2:10PM) was taken from an article by Daniel Greenfield entitled “The Sun Sets On Washington”.(see below)

    I meant to enclose the link at the bottom but it didn’t work at the time. My apologies.

    http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-sun-sets-on-washington-dc.html

  • Bill Hedges

    Any remarks BY bob MUST BE closely _ scru·ti·nized _. For a second time, THAT I CAUGHT, bob quoted me INCORRECTLY to my _ det·ri·ment _. Emphasis on detriment. Out of context additional. With new meaning ADDED by bob.

    Pity someone’s comments must be deemed QUESTIONABILY until thoroughly examined & proven accurate. In olden times if bob copied the Bible by hand he might have written THOU SHALL KILL.

    His view on politics is worked out using same brain. Another questionable factor…

  • Bob

    “House Speaker Tip O’Neill (D-Mass) presided over a total of 7 (THATS SEVEN)government shutdowns under President Reagan and 5 (THATS FIVE)under President Carter. Yet former O’Neill staff member,MSNBC host and tingle down his leg Obama supporter says in his book that’s when politics worked.” My questions would be did Chris ever call his boss a “terrorist’ or accuse him of holding the government hostage? Why isn’t it politics when republicans do it?

    From the article entitled: ” When Tip Did It” by Andrew Stiles

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/360135/when-tip-did-it-andrew-stiles

  • Bob

    The former staff member to Tip O’Neill mentioned above would be Chris Matthews of MSNBC.

  • Bob

    If a majority of the money to build the World War II memorial came through “corporations, foundations, veterans groups, and private citizens” And if there will not be a curator, museum staff or any attempts to collect,catalog and display memorabilia from W.W.II because it is designed to be a place of remembrance and reflection.” And in addition it is an outdoor memorial that doesn’t require security.

    WHY WAS IT TURNED OVER TO THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE? IT’S BOUGHT BY THE PEOPLE NOT THE GOVERNMENT THE SAME GOES FOR THE VIETNAM MEMORIAL (“The Wall”)

    http://www.defense.gov/News/NewsArticle.aspx?ID=40957

  • Bill Hedges

    “WHY WAS IT TURNED OVER TO THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE? IT’S BOUGHT BY THE PEOPLE NOT THE GOVERNMENT THE SAME GOES FOR THE VIETNAM MEMORIAL (“The Wall”)”

    BUYING is but a portion of cost. We buy a car but then there is insurance, repairs, etc.. Look up Golden Gate Bridge some time. A young city that mortgaged their homes for a bridge. Owned not by the people.

    Another great example is The Statue of Liberty. Paid for by folks in both France & America. “Today the Statue of Liberty is a beloved landmark, and is lovingly cared for by the National Park Service. And the many thousands of visitors who visit Liberty Island each year might never suspect that getting the statue built and assembled in New York was a long slow struggle.” Who else to in truth with a National treasure…

    http://history1800s.about.com/od/immigration/f/statuelibertypaid.htm

  • Bill Hedges

    Not in truth BUT in trust…

  • Bill Hedges

    Take the Heritage Foundation poll:

    “So far, 85 percent of you say the shutdown hasn’t even affected your life, and 92 percent want to continue to fight for a full defund of Obamacare”

    http://blog.heritage.org/2013/10/02/obamacare-or-temporary-shutdown-what-hurts-your-life-most-tell-us-here/

    Not what I heard when briefly watching CNN today…

  • Bob

    Good examples but both of them require either a ferry to get to or an automobile to get across thus………SECURITY !

    NEITHER WAR MEMORIAL REQUIRES SECURITY NOR MAINTENANCE AND IS AN OUT DOOR MEMORIAL WHERE YOU WALK THROUGH

  • Bob

    IF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SPENT AS MUCH TIME TRYING TO SECURE OUR BORDERS AGAINST ILLEGAL ALIENS AS IT IS ATTEMPTING TO SECURE NATIONAL MEMORIALS WE MAY FEEL WE ARE ACCOMPLISHING SOMETHING.

    INSTEAD SPITEFUL GAMES TO PUNISH PEOPLE NEEDLESSLY SEEM TO BE THE ORDER OF BUSINESS

  • Bill Hedges

    Once crossed by ferry, you have The Statue of Liberty. Your point about ferry IS WHAT ??? They have spent LARGE amount of money maintaining the sheets of copper, etc.. Golden Gate is spending large amount of money upgrading so bridge will still stand if greater earthquake occurs, etc.. Believe painting of is a daily process.

    “I know that this is an open-air memorial, but we have people on staff who are CPR trained, (and) we want to make sure that we have maintenance crew to take care of any problems. What we’re trying to do is protect this resource for future generations,” National Mall and Memorial Parks spokeswoman Carol Johnson told CNN.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/02/privately-funded-wwii-memorial-barricaded-at-taxpayers-expense/#ixzz2ghL1wqRg

    As far as war memorials:

    The bridge is not exactly a National Treasure as say The Statue or war memorials. But as my last link said, “What we’re trying to do is protect this resource for future generations”

    Our Great National Parks REQUIRE SECURITY & MAINTENCE. EVEN Lincoln MEMORIAL. Multitude of folks going through war memorials promote maintenance needs CLEARLY. Do I really need to mention them ??? Do I need to mention security ???

    Can not believe you wrote:

    “NEITHER WAR MEMORIAL REQUIRES SECURITY NOR MAINTENANCE AND IS AN OUT DOOR MEMORIAL WHERE YOU WALK THROUGH”

    bob writes:

    “IF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SPENT AS MUCH TIME TRYING TO SECURE OUR BORDERS AGAINST ILLEGAL ALIENS AS IT IS ATTEMPTING TO SECURE NATIONAL MEMORIALS WE MAY FEEL WE ARE ACCOMPLISHING SOMETHING”

    Security at war memorials are there both for property & visitors. Maintenance AT THE VERY LEAST is needed for trash, bathrooms, safety, etc.

    Second, I hear such arguments raised against police in many different ways. If POT was legalized police could spend more time on preventing/searching for killers. Meter maids could do more productive duties. Take away meter maids then check out parking in Boston and many other places.

    Yes we need better boarder control. No question. We need security and maintenance at war memorials as well. AS in:

    http://archives.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=1771642

  • Bob

    I could probably find web sites that substantiate my views but from past experience with you any attempt at a logical discussion would prove futile.I guess we just chalk it up to another instance where we disagree with one another. However let me give you a suggestion. Perhaps you should spend less time watching CNN and linking liberal sites it’s turning you into a C.I.N.O.

  • Bill Hedges

    Fox news points out, as I have done using different words, that bumcare IS A “PRICE TAG SHOCKER”. CBO agreed WITH US, except for a short time when CBO was relying on, (D) assumption, which CBO MUST DO. RIGHT or WRONG.

    Appears I will keep my insurance from this year. Big savings is I will pay my primary doctor $5.00 less per visit but with nearly $20.00 more in blood work. Appears my drug cost will be the same THOUGH NOT CERTAIN. Before government shut-down, complete insurances were to be online Oct. 15

    Better to get sick THIS YEAR not next because bill WILL KILL YOU being so much higher. Example, ambulance comes close to going double.

    BIG, BIG, BIG savings of bumcare has been well camouflage. SURELY our people will CRY OUT in outrage. For the camouflage IS SO GREAT I SEE NO SAVINGS but far greater expense. In WW2 fake tanks were used to mislead our enemy. buma knows the tactics of deceit. I use to call buma the flim flam man. With 2014 insurance plans at hand, WHAT’S REAL will soon be seen.

    Believe fine for no insurance is $98 a year. If correct believe is 30,000,000 expected NOT to be insured. STICKER SHOCK may make that a low ball number…

    buma claims not raising debt ceiling will cause second coming of…. When as Senator buma said, ah, with the SPIN:

    “The president voted against raising the debt ceiling as a senator to make a point about what he believed were wrong fiscal priorities of that administration,” Carney replied. “What then Senator Obama never did was say, ‘I will vote to default if I don’t get what I want.’”

    So buma’s “fiscal priorities” ARE THE RIGHT ONES. Oh he did cut debt in half ??!!??…

    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/09/26/blitzer-to-carney-hey-why-did-obama-vote-against-raising-the-debt-ceiling/

    I DON’T RECALL ANY cuts to the budget you can hang a (D) to…

  • Bill Hedges

    You can’t. You haven’t…

  • Bill Hedges

    I did…

  • Bill Hedges

    “Perhaps you should spend less time watching CNN and linking liberal sites it’s turning you into a C.I.N.O.”

    Bill Hedges Oct 3rd, 2013 at 1:34 am
    Take the Heritage Foundation poll:

    “So far, 85 percent of you say the shutdown hasn’t even affected your life, and 92 percent want to continue to fight for a full defund of Obamacare”

    http://blog.heritage.org/…..l-us-here/

    Not what I heard when briefly watching CNN today…
    ___

    I am able to distinguish fact from fiction. Liberal sites DOES NOT CONTAIN 100 % garbage.

    By attaching liberal label to CNN THEN you write “it’s turning you into a C.I.N.O.” You are a jack ass son of a bitch. Here is ANOTHER EXAMPLE of you TAKING OUT OF CONTEXT. GO FUCK YOURSELF.

    When/if you report me, DO SO in context…

  • Bill Hedges

    Without maintained on war memorials IS A PROVEN FACT, from my link, they go to seed. You can not find link TO THE CONTRARY to support your views. How dense…

  • Bob

    The government shutdown with it’s furloughing 800,000 federal workers isn’t the apocalypse it is made out to be. The apocalypse is the existence of 800,000 employees that can be sent home without much notice.And as the President demonstrates in the article below he uses them as a means to his end.

    “United States President Barack Obama DEMANDED an end to a three day government shutdown he decried as a Republican farce. Piling pressure on Republicans to climb down first on budget impasse.” Well there he goes with that monarch complex again.Our government is not set up to work that way. Tsk,tsk a Constitutional scholar should know that !

    http://news.yahoo.com/us-limps-day-three-government-shutdown-065703949.html

    If President Obama is serious about closing all these national memorials using the LAME EXCUSE of security and maintenance then he should also close every federal highway across the country. But didn’t we hear the same blustering by the left about how the country would fall apart back in March about the sequester?

  • Bob

    Tsk,tsk,tsk,……………..!

  • Bill Hedges

    O’Reilly says “wait a year”. By then Majority of people will know who is right, us or them on bumcare.

    I disagree with something I heard on Fox News. Then Fox tries to be fair. You will hear arguments from both sides of the river.

    ARE you against this as well ??? What Fox news does. Reporting liberal views. You say CNN B A D…

    My conscious does not allow me to talk frankly about your problems…

  • Bob

    Good gosh William don’t you read my post before going on one of your tirades?

    READ MY FIRST POST ON THIS THREAD IT COVERS MY OPINION ON WHAT MR. O’REILLY SAID. Perhaps Mr.O’Reilly read it and can explain it to you?

  • Bill Hedges

    “If President Obama is serious about closing all these national memorials using the LAME EXCUSE of security and maintenance then he should also close every federal highway across the country”

    Getting close to pointing out, about you, what my conscious will not allow me to describe your condition.

    Why not airport controllers, armed forces, etc., not just highways.

    Can not believe you wrote:

    “NEITHER WAR MEMORIAL REQUIRES SECURITY NOR MAINTENANCE AND IS AN OUT DOOR MEMORIAL WHERE YOU WALK THROUGH”

    BUT:

    “I know that this is an open-air memorial, but we have people on staff who are CPR trained, (and) we want to make sure that we have maintenance crew to take care of any problems. What we’re trying to do is protect this resource for future generations,” National Mall and Memorial Parks spokeswoman Carol Johnson told CNN.”

  • Bill Hedges

    I AM SORRY YOU CAN NOT READ with comprehension:

    O’Reilly says “wait a year”. By then Majority of people will know who is right, us or them on bumcare.

    I disagree with something I heard on Fox News

  • Bill Hedges

    “Perhaps you should spend less time watching CNN and linking liberal sites it’s turning you into a C.I.N.O.” TURNED on “tirade”…

  • Bill Hedges

    I disagree with some things I hear on CNN & Fox News. Will verify facts from BOTH.

  • Bob

    C.I.N.O…….When past members of this site like Bones, JD and Mike used liberal sites as references you were all over them claiming the sites are bias…NOW IT’S DIFFERENT.Let me clue you in on something there is no absolute on web sites such as “You Decide Politics” simply opinions based on where you lean in the political spectrum and which you have trouble dealing with.You JUSTIFY not “verify” your facts from whatever web site disagrees with my opinion be it from the left or right.

    Pssst……..I’m not here to fill your expectations. I could care less what you believe I wrote.

  • Bill Hedges

    “If President Obama is serious about closing all these national memorials using the LAME EXCUSE of security and maintenance then he should also close every federal highway across the country”

    When government shut-down WE STILL GET OUR MAIL. Do you know WHY ??? Essential services STAY OPEN. “close every federal highway across the country” ??? Are they essential ? As much a mail service.

    Think first. We ALL should hide our stupidity bob. Memorials were closed because not essential. Having folks going there closed IS “security and maintenance”. Rarely do I stand with bum…

  • Bob

    P.S. I could also care less about you pointing out what your conscience will not allow you to describe.You have proven you couldn’t put together two coherent thoughts outside of your cursing rampage exhibited on your 6:50 Pm post.

  • Bill Hedges

    “… There have been 17 funding gaps just since 1977 ranging in duration from one to 21 days. Under applicable federal law, operations and services would continue for those essential for “the safety of human life or the protection of property,” as well as those programs funded through multiyear or permanent appropriations”

    http://blog.heritage.org/2013/09/30/qa-what-happens-during-a-government-shutdown/

  • Bill Hedges

    By attaching liberal label to CNN THEN you write “it’s turning you into a C.I.N.O.” You are a jack ass son of a bitch. Here is ANOTHER EXAMPLE of you TAKING OUT OF CONTEXT. GO FUCK YOURSELF.

    When/if you report me, DO SO in context…

    “You have proven you couldn’t put together two coherent thoughts outside of your cursing rampage exhibited on your 6:50 Pm post”

    LONG before I cursed you I made list of you naughty comments. Was only after Landreaux acknowledged list & said “Really” that I followed IN YOUR FOOTSTEPS.

    RECENTLY Landreaux POINTED something out to you FROM AWHILE BACK. A err. Your short memory bits your ass again. You taught this style TO ME…

    POINT OUT the specific “Bones, JD and Mike used liberal sites” remarks and we can discuss. You won’t. Full disclosure get full explanation ability…

  • Bill Hedges

    Have list growing of you taking my comments OUT OF CONTEXT. LIKE:

    “Tora, Tora, Tora Bill Hedges Jun 2nd, 2013 at 5:17 pm”
    1.
    “SOME DEEP THINKING” by bob ? N E V E R. INABILITY…
    ______ HELP POLICE !!! ______________ Arrest bob for literature fraud _____ Call 911 _______________
    Fraud
    “A false representation of a matter of fact—whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or by concealment of what should have been disclosed—that deceives and is intended to deceive another so that the individual will act upon it to her or his legal injury.”
    “Fraud is commonly understood as dishonesty calculated for advantage. A person who is dishonest may be called a fraud. In the U.S. legal system, fraud is a specific offense with certain features”
    http://legal-dictionary.t……com/fraud
    SUCH *** an·i·mos·i·ty *** shown. *** in·tim·i·da·tion *** doesn’t work OVER HERE. There is no *** am·bi·gu·i·ty ***. bob owes a apology for:
    A. bob partial quotes me. Leaving out the most pertinent part of my quote:
    “I watch a lot of movies.Have ban most politics from my cable.”
    I wrote:
    I watch a lot of movies. Have ban most politics from my cable. I research online.
    B. bob leaves off KEY PART OF MY QUOTE, then says:
    “I was taught that if you didn’t know what you were talking about as is clearly evident here YOU KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND NOT EMBARRASS YOURSELF!”
    bob neither *** a·pol·o·gies *** nor shows any sign of remorse. SHAMEFUL
    __

    You describing my previous words IS WRONG most likely. Reliable history NOT for you. You twist the meaning…

  • Bob

    LMAO…The way I remember it was Landreaux said “Really” to you in response to not believing the stupidity and childishness of your list.

    Yes I was corrected by Landreaux recently but you ONLY GIVE HALF THE STORY by failing to give my response. …”I stand corrected”

    Enough of your revisionist history however….Good night William !

  • Bob

    LMAO…The way I remember it was Landreaux said “Really?” to you in response to not believing the stupidity and childishness of your list.

    Yes I was corrected by Landreaux recently but you ONLY GIVE HALF THE STORY by failing to give my response. …”I stand corrected”

    Enough of your revisionist history however….Good night William !

  • Bill Hedges

    Did he say “believing the stupidity and childishness of your list” ??? NO, Your twist on facts. I did not ” revisionist history”, your …”I stand corrected” was not pertinent to my point. No quotations was not using your exact words. You DO quote me NOT USING MY EXACT WORDS AND/OR OUT OF CONTEXT.

    Have you said ”I stand corrected” for ?:

    Have list growing of you taking my comments OUT OF CONTEXT. LIKE:

    “Tora, Tora, Tora Bill Hedges Jun 2nd, 2013 at 5:17 pm”
    1.
    “SOME DEEP THINKING” by bob ? N E V E R. INABILITY…
    ______ HELP POLICE !!! ______________ Arrest bob for literature fraud _____ Call 911 _______________
    Fraud
    “A false representation of a matter of fact—whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or by concealment of what should have been disclosed—that deceives and is intended to deceive another so that the individual will act upon it to her or his legal injury.”
    “Fraud is commonly understood as dishonesty calculated for advantage. A person who is dishonest may be called a fraud. In the U.S. legal system, fraud is a specific offense with certain features”
    http://legal-dictionary.t……com/fraud
    SUCH *** an·i·mos·i·ty *** shown. *** in·tim·i·da·tion *** doesn’t work OVER HERE. There is no *** am·bi·gu·i·ty ***. bob owes a apology for:
    A. bob partial quotes me. Leaving out the most pertinent part of my quote:
    “I watch a lot of movies.Have ban most politics from my cable.”
    I wrote:
    I watch a lot of movies. Have ban most politics from my cable. I research online.
    B. bob leaves off KEY PART OF MY QUOTE, then says:
    “I was taught that if you didn’t know what you were talking about as is clearly evident here YOU KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND NOT EMBARRASS YOURSELF!”
    bob neither *** a·pol·o·gies *** nor shows any sign of remorse. SHAMEFUL
    __

    You describing my previous words IS WRONG most likely. Reliable history NOT for you. You twist the meaning…
    __

    Enough of your “revisionist history” of POINT OUT the specific “Bones, JD and Mike used liberal sites” remarks and we can discuss. You won’t. Full disclosure get full explanation ability & WILL RUIN YOUR DAY.

    War memorials were closed on reason of being non-essential by administration. Keeping out vets was for security & maintainers reasons. Get THAT STRAIGHT along with exact quotes of mine in context. That which is beyond your abilities Yogi ?

    THE “we” you use to substantiate what you say has told me YOU’RE LOSING IT…

  • Bob

    “Most of the republicans digging in have no reason to fear voters will ever punish them. The vast majority of GOP lawmakers are safely ensconced in districts that based on the voter rolls would never think of electing a Democrat.”

    From the Politico article entitled: “Government Shutdown: Why Many republicans Have No Reason To Deal”

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/government-shutdown-republicans-deal-97768.html?hp=l10

  • Bill Hedges

    bob believes in ”revisionist history”

    1. “Tora, Tora, Tora Bill Hedges Jun 2nd, 2013 at 5:17 pm”
    1.
    “SOME DEEP THINKING” by bob ? N E V E R. INABILITY…
    ______ HELP POLICE !!! ______________ Arrest bob for literature fraud _____ Call 911 _______________
    Fraud
    “A false representation of a matter of fact—whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or by concealment of what should have been disclosed—that deceives and is intended to deceive another so that the individual will act upon it to her or his legal injury.”
    “Fraud is commonly understood as dishonesty calculated for advantage. A person who is dishonest may be called a fraud. In the U.S. legal system, fraud is a specific offense with certain features”
    http://legal-dictionary.t……com/fraud
    SUCH *** an·i·mos·i·ty *** shown. *** in·tim·i·da·tion *** doesn’t work OVER HERE. There is no *** am·bi·gu·i·ty ***. bob owes a apology for:
    A. bob partial quotes me. Leaving out the most pertinent part of my quote:
    “I watch a lot of movies.Have ban most politics from my cable.”
    I wrote:
    I watch a lot of movies. Have ban most politics from my cable. I research online.
    B. bob leaves off KEY PART OF MY QUOTE, then says:
    “I was taught that if you didn’t know what you were talking about as is clearly evident here YOU KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND NOT EMBARRASS YOURSELF!”
    bob neither *** a·pol·o·gies *** nor shows any sign of remorse. SHAMEFUL

    2. LMAO…The way I remember it was Landreaux said “Really?” to you in response to not believing the stupidity and childishness of your list.

    3. War memorials were closed on reason of being non-essential by administration. Keeping out vets was for security & maintainers reasons

    4. “C.I.N.O…….When past members of this site like Bones, JD and Mike used liberal sites as references you were all over them claiming the sites are bias…NOW IT’S DIFFERENT.”

    Where is YOUR PROOF ??? YOU HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE without proof.

    5. “Let me clue you in on something there is no absolute on web sites such as “You Decide Politics” simply opinions based on where you lean in the political spectrum and which you have trouble dealing with.You JUSTIFY not “verify” your facts from whatever web site disagrees with my opinion be it from the left or right.”

    1+1 never equals 5.

    6.Pssst……..I’m not here to fill your expectations. I could care less what you believe I wrote.

    I mostly quote you. Exactly. In context. Unlike what you do to ME.

    7. Your Yogi character assignation.

    Out of context & misquote.

  • Bill Hedges

    Not assignation BUT assassination.

  • Bob

    “Grocery stores on Army bases in the United states are closed BUT THE GOLF COURSE PRESIDENT OBAMA PLAY ON AT ANDREWS AIR FORCE BASE IS OPEN”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-03/troops-forage-for-food-while-golfers-play-on-in-shutdown.html

  • Bob
  • Bill Hedges

    Prime example is “LMAO…The way I remember it was Landreaux said “Really” to you in response to not believing the stupidity and childishness of your list.”

    Major point is 1. Additional points BEING 4 & 7 are future expression of your condition. You UNTRUTHFULLY _ em·bel·lish_. A _ symp·tom _.

    You made a mistake honestly with Landreaux & once pointed out you wrote “I stand corrected”. My point (1.) has been presented to you numerous times giving you opportunity to say “I stand corrected” which you let that chance PASS YOU BYE. Instead you joke about. Another _ symp·tom _.

    4 you give your _ rec·ol·lec·tion _. When you quote me from a recent quote of mine YOU GET IT wrong. Why would your long term memory concerning bones & bj BE BETTER, accurate, & with honest IN CONTEXT interpretation. ? Have shown your inabilities in those matters. To paraphrase, GIVE ME MY QUOTE AND LOCATION, OR GIVE ME NOTHING from you. Your recollections are suspect. Third _ symp·tom _.

  • Bob

    I don’t know how many of you have been to one of the out door national memorials but the Parks Department doesn’t do a heck of a lot besides answer questions. The article below describes where the funds came from to erect the memorial which is basically the same with the Vietnam memorial.It doesn’t cost money to keep an open air memorial open it cost money to put up barricades. It cost money to man the barricades with security to keep people out.SO YOU ARE SPENDING MONEY IN ORDER TO SAVE MONEY? NO THE ADMINISTRATION IS POLITICALLY MOTIVATED AND GRANDSTANDING. Poll results, economic carnage and the threat of chaos in health care system doesn’t scare or even faze the radical left or force them to waver from supporting Obamacare. If the right took the White House, Senate and House in 2012 the left would still fight tooth and nail for Obamacare. A determined minority willing to push an agenda will always dominate a majority just willing to get by. AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE HAD IN THE republican PARTY FOR TO LONG.

    http://www.wwiimemorial.com/default.asp?page=funding.asp

    New Jersey republican Governor Chris Christie looking ahead to 2016 and distancing himself from the right released a television ad on the first day of the shutdown highlighting his collaboration with Democrats in crafting a state spending plan. He has also scheduled a series of public appearances with prominent Democrats. Meanwhile New Jersey suffers under one of the highest tax rates in the country.

  • Bob

    More than 125 overseas cemeteries including Normandy France are closed to the public.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/10/tourists_angered_at_shutdown_of_d-day_cemetery_in_normandy.html

  • Bill Hedges

    There is no doubt IT APPEARS that unnecessary closure may/is occurring doing this government shutdown. Under Clinton the war memorial WAS NOT CLOSED. As I heard Pat Buchanan say closure is treated like a pawn in politics.

    Our side has compromised much while (D) wants it all. Was discussed on Fox News truth will become more crystal clear come January. (D) HOUSE OF CARDS may totally diminish (D) their creditability. Naturedly we wish the truth now for Nov. election. Another 2010 BIG WIN banaza. MORE IMPORTANT we want THE PAIN BUMCARE OUT OF SERVE ASAP. To the contrary to (D) promises, cost of premiums along with higher cost for illnesses on policies will have American opening their window CRYING OUT, “”. MAYBE you saw the movie & can fill in the quote hopefully correctly.

    Was a CNN reporter (liberal site) who asked Reid about passing bill in House to fund Children cancer in a news conference:

    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/10/come-no-harry-reid-doesnt-hate-kids-cancer/70134/

    Now bob has said:

    “Perhaps you should spend less time watching CNN and linking liberal sites it’s turning you into a C.I.N.O.”

    Perhaps bob will prove ? OF course not. As I have shown on this article, Fox New is not all truth & CNN is not all wrong. Life presents each of them EVERY SECOND OF THE DAY on/off TV. Can’t runaway from bob. Not from ones fears. Another _ symp·tom _.

    That being said, why do I question bob’s comments ?:

    Prime example is “LMAO…The way I remember it was Landreaux said “Really” to you in response to not believing the stupidity and childishness of your list.”

    Major point is 1. Additional points BEING 4 & 7 are future expression of your condition. You UNTRUTHFULLY _ em·bel·lish_. A _ symp·tom _.

    You made a mistake honestly with Landreaux & once pointed out you wrote “I stand corrected”. My point (1.) has been presented to you numerous times giving you opportunity to say “I stand corrected” which you let that chance PASS YOU BYE. Instead you joke about. Another _ symp·tom _.

    4 you give your _ rec·ol·lec·tion _. When you quote me from a recent quote of mine YOU GET IT wrong. Why would your long term memory concerning bones & bj BE BETTER, accurate, & with honest IN CONTEXT interpretation. ? Have shown your inabilities in those matters. To paraphrase, GIVE ME MY QUOTE AND LOCATION, OR GIVE ME NOTHING from you. Your recollections are suspect. Third _ symp·tom _.

    Why:

    Honesty. Twist & shout is lyrics to a song not methodology for politician comments…

  • Bill Hedges

    Not Naturedly BUT naturally…

  • Bob

    “Some how Liberals have been unable to acquire from life what Conservatives seem to be endowed with from birth namely a healthy skepticism of the powers of government agencies to do good.”
    Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-NY)

  • Bob

    MILITARY CHAPLINS THIS WEEKEND……..CLOSED DUE TO SHUTDOWN

    http://www.milarch.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=dwJXKgOUJiIaG&b=8486699&ct=13344123

  • Bob

    “100 UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF OBAMACARE”

    http://www.nationalreview.com/node/359861/print