The Difference Is…..

The esteemed Mr. Krauthammer describes the President as a European Social Democrat. Correct as far as it goes. He looks at the evolution of Social Democracy in Europe and correctly identifies taxes and severe cuts in defense spending as the key necessities to execute a Social Democratic system, as Europe has done. In hindsight it is clear that one of the results of WWII and the Cold War was making Europe ‘safe for Social Democracy’.

There is, however, a key difference that goes a step beyond Mr. Krauthammer’s analysis. The U.S. and the U.S. funding of NATO allowed Europe to limit defense spending in favor of social programs. U.S. Cold War spending contained the Soviet Union allowing for continuing evolution of the European Social Democratic model. You may recall that Cold War upgrades of Europe’s defense capabilities under U.S. management were fought every step of the way. The U.S. guarantees freedom of navigation, continues to fund European, Japanese and South Korean defense and is engaged in a wide variety of security arrangements including Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Europe’s big three, the U.K., France and Germany average 2% of GDP committed to defense spending. U.S. defense spending is 4.7% of GDP, in terms of dollars no one else comes close; the global average is 2.2% of GDP. As a percentage of GDP it is enlightening to look at which strategically significant states are spending: Russia, Iraq, the Emirates, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Oman along with Israel.

There is a simple question here. If the U.S. guts defense spending in the interest of the European Social Democratic model, who guarantees our security? France had trouble airlifting 2,500 troops to Mali, NATO nearly ran out of ordinance in Libya, Europe supported the effort in Afghanistan but many countries refused to allow their troops to engage in combat operations; were they all to step up in defense of an America under attack it would likely not be a material contribution; we’re a lot farther away than Mali.

Additionally, what alliances form to take advantage of self inflicted weakness, or even the perception of weakness? After WWI, Britain disarmed. France built a wall, confident that it would de-motivate foreign intrusions from the East. We all know what came next.

Should we re-evaluate defense priorities; absolutely! There can be little argument that new, creative leadership is necessary to identify and prepare for the threats of the future, not fight wars of the past. Does Europe still require the degree of defense spending currently the case; no! Can technology replace a percentage of boots on the ground, no question! Does the military need to be more nimble; yes! Transitions, while cost effective in the long run, require the funding necessary to get from here to there.

When you look at who is spending, it is a long list of states that cannot, rationally, be described as Egalitarian. History teaches that weakness is the most fundamental and powerful provocation of all. The perception of weakness motivates those that would expand their influence in what they perceive to be a zero sum game.

If not us, who??

  • Bob

    President Obama has lectured Iran to “meet their obligations” and threatens that the United States will do whats necessary to prevent Tehran from getting nuclear weapons.But this has all been heard before from the administration in 2010,2011,and 2012.

    Perhaps these empty threats had someting to do with the THIRD nuclear test last week by North Korea.The detonation was estimated to yeild seven kilotons or half the detonation of the bomb we dropped on Hiroshima.The North Korean Foreign Ministry threatened that “this a first response and the test could be continued with a second and third if Washington maintains it’s hostility”.In 2006 and 2009 North Korea was believed to have tested devices made of plutonium but in 2010 revealed they intend to use enriched uranium.Uranium is easier to engineer into a weapon and uranium centrifuges can be hidden from satellite,drones and inspectors.Pyongyang feels they can act with impunity of any credible threats since President Obama has been making his threats for years with him making no mention of North Koreas program at all in 2012.

    South Koreas and Japans military have been put on a high alert. With the latest North Korean test the consequences to China is to serious for them to ignore even if the Koreans are Chinas largest trading partner.They can be as dangerous to China as they are to the rest of the world.

    If the United States guts it’s military as Landreaux outlines above we will not only be heading for the same socialist society as Europe but the same empty defense limitations.Secretary of State Kerry better check if Mrs.Clinton left any re-set buttons behind.

  • Bob

    President Obama sends out signals of his intentions……… but only the republicans are intimidated.

    http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/02/13/as-americas-credibility-wanes-iran-upgrades-its-nuclear-capacity/

  • Bill Hedges

    Author writes “Despite re-election the President is not in tune with public priorities and thus is defined, the state of our union”

    “not in tune with public priorities” AS described BY WHOM ??? By greater than majority HE DID, obviously. He seats another 4 years in WH. You measured by the WRONG ruler.

    A old adage “TO EACH HIS OWN”.

  • Bill Hedges

    Interesting:

    Bill Hedges Feb 14th, 2013 at 2:19 pm *** “Your comment is awaiting moderation.” ***
    Author writes “Despite re-election the President is not in tune with public priorities and thus is defined, the state of our union”

    “not in tune with public priorities” AS described BY WHOM ??? By greater than majority HE DID, obviously. He seats another 4 years in WH. You measured by the WRONG ruler.

    A old adage “TO EACH HIS OWN”.

    Author doesn’t use “” for quotes in another article & doesn’t give any clue information on source.

    Landreaux articles needs to be “awaiting moderation”…

  • Bob

    Nate/Conservative Gal/Landreaux:

    Below is an interesting article on the governors race we have here in Virginia this November and a leading candidate for Mr.Cuccinelli to pick as a running mate.I found the links included in the article itself interesting also.

    tp://www.redstate.com/nedryun/2013/02/18/how-to-win-in-virginia-in-2013/

  • Bob

    I found I must have cut off part of the address.Hopefully this should work.

    http://www.redstate.com/nedryun/2013/02/18/how-to-win-in-virginia-in-2013/

  • Bill Hedges

    Bob says “Big Government Conservative” Bush people ” is A BAD, CHEAP SHOT with NO UNDERSTANDING OF CONDITIONS GORGE was faced with. A LOW PUNCH.

    Bush was Governor of Texas where balanced budget WAS REQUIRED. He took office in Dc with GOOD INTENSIONS:

    07/13/00

    “Gore criticizes Bush on Texas budget”

    PITTSBURGH (AP) – “Vice President Al Gore cited newly disclosed spending needs in Texas as proof Thursday that George W. Bush is too wedded to ”massive tax cuts” for the good of the economy. The Texas governor quickly shot back that his state was in surplus and would stay there.”

    ”If Al Gore suggests a state with a surplus shouldn’t cut taxes, how can the American people count on Al Gore to cut taxes when our nation is in surplus?” responded the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.”

    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/e2303.htm

    __

    AFTER ELECTION:

    1. HE warned of recession & was denied cure by demos OF MORE REGULATIONS ON BANKS AS WELL AS FANNIE & FREDDY. LEADING to costly recession.

    http://friskaliberal.wordpress.com/2010/05/04/nancy-pelosi-d-caught-lying-says-bush-didn%E2%80%99t-warn-congress-about-financial-crisis/

    2. 911 CAUSED another departure from George’s plans. Another major expense for Home Security.

    3. DEMOS WARNED of WMD long before Bush’s arrival. Although many demos later recanted their support, demos supported BOTH WARS in Mid East. Another unplanned large $$$ cost:

    http://www.davidstuff.com/political/wmdquotes.htm
    ___

    Here is a link to one of three series on Bush Big Government. BE SPECIFIC on which should never had been realized and why. YOU ARE WAY TOO vague to counter.

    All in all Bush fate was sealed by OTHERS and not of his own doing. As Governor of Texas he was a conservative of that era. Circumstances in DC dictated OTHERWISE beyond his control for the most part…

  • Bill Hedges
  • Bob

    Under President George W.Bush:

    The number of economic regulation governmental workers increased by 91,196

    In 2001 64,438 pages added to the federal regulations
    In 2007 more than 78,000 new pages added
    It is estimated President Bush (W) costed the economy more than $100 million dollars per year in regulations.

    Individual income tax revenue increased by 14%
    Corpoate tax revenue by 50%
    Custom duties by 40%
    Discretionary domestic spending by 62%
    Medicare spending by 131%
    Social security by 51%

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123275512887811775.html

  • Bob

    “A series of large White House backed spending projects the 2002 Farm Bill,No Child Left Behind,and Medicare Part D alienated the conservative brain trust and power base……and the grevous pet projects symbolized by Sen.Ted Stevens$320 million dollar “Bridge to Nowhere’went unchecked by the president the grass roots became infuriated.”

    “To round out the circle the government has hamstrung it’s own ability to keep track of spending by starving it’s watchdog,the Inspector General of resources and personnel.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/19/big-government-gets-bigger/?page=all

  • Bob

    Two impeccable right leaning sources which I made an effort to stay away from any defense/war on terrorism spending.

  • Bill Hedges

    “…stay away from any defense/war on terrorism spending” is wise. Wouldn’t help you.IT SAVED LIVES. That SHOULD NOT be political.
    __

    I think it is GREAT we can talk politics & buy-sell products while on this site. We have two new commenters selling STUFF. I may find something to sell as well. Times are tight…
    __

    Before I get started, is obvious your link is very anti-Bush. Which is fine IF HONEST portrayal of Bush is done. Would a reader realize recession occurred while he was in office ? THEN to place more blame on Bush he writes “The most basic Bush numbers are damning. If increases in government spending matter, then Mr. Bush is worse than any president in recent history. During his first four years in office — a period during which his party controlled Congress… ”

    Who controlled Congress during the Bush years:

    “Bush Jr had a slim Republican majority in the house until 2007 when the Democrats gain a 233-198 majority. The Senate was split 50-50 at the beginning of his first term and 49-49-2 at the end of his second term. The democrat party had control of both the the House and Senate, starting January 4th, 2007, when the recession began”

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_party_controlled_Congress_during_Bush_administration
    _____

    FIRST PART

    “The number of economic regulation governmental workers increased by 91,196″

    “In 2001 64,438 pages added to the federal regulations
    In 2007 more than 78,000 new pages added
    It is estimated President Bush (W) costed the economy more than $100 million dollars per year in regulations.”

    “Mr. Bush is the unparalleled master of “economically significant regulations” that cost the economy more than $100 million a year. Since 2001, he jacked that number by more than 70%. Since June 2008 alone, he introduced more than Mr. Bush is the unparalleled master of “economically significant regulations” that cost the economy more than $100 million a year. Since 2001, he jacked that number by more than 70%. Since June 2008 alone, he introduced more than 100 economically significant regulations.”

    1. Why in 2008 would “he introduced more than 100 economically significant regulations” ???

    Ah *** RECESSION *** caused by freeing Willy ? Willy being bad home loans sponsored by Carter and super-sized by Clinton. A mere “$100 million a year” cost for new regulation WOULD BE NOTHING had wanted bank regulations gotten passed as Bush wanted.

    2. You catalog ALL REGULATION in a SINGLE PILE. BAD, bad, & BAD. NOT SO under Bush:

    http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2008-10-31/politics/36841564_1_new-rules-new-regulations-president-bush

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-25/obama-wrote-5-fewer-rules-than-bush-while-costing-business.html

    3. Did Bush use his Presidential powers to pass ALL THESE regulations (like buma) ? He had no party control in either House. I DON’T THINK SO. Had he, would of done so for regulations HE WANTED to stop/slow down the recession he keep warning about:

    Video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM

    As said in one of my links earlier, Bush wanted banking regulations passed but demo would NOT & Frank said NO PROBLEM with Fannie & Freddie.

    Not all regulations under Bush’s terms was him. SOME he WANTED didn’t become law.

    ___

    PART 2

    A.

    “Individual income tax revenue increased by 14%”
    “Corpoate tax revenue by 50%”

    I don’t see the significants of these being Bush’s fault. Maybe you can explain.

    What HAPPENS when you reduced tax rates and country prospers. Began with Newt’s tax cuts and continued with Bush’s 2 sets of tax cuts. Without recession would have been much MORE. Matching maybe, maybe surpassing, those of Kennedy & Reagan. Can only imagine.

    Though BLACK CLOUDS loom over our heads with the BAD HOME LOANS of Clinton.

    B.

    “Custom duties by 40%”
    “Discretionary domestic spending by 62%”
    “Medicare spending by 131%”
    “Social security by 51%”

    I don’t see the significants of these being Bush’s fault. Maybe you can explain.

    Wouldn’t “Medicare spending by 131%” & “Social security by 51%” go up whoever was President ? Would like more explanation in order to BLAME BUSH on these 4…

  • Bill Hedges

    1. “A series of large White House backed spending projects the 2002 Farm Bill,No Child Left Behind,and Medicare Part D alienated the conservative brain trust and power base……and the grevous pet projects symbolized by Sen.Ted Stevens$320 million dollar “Bridge to Nowhere’went unchecked by the president the grass roots became infuriated.”

    A. What was the cost for the first part ? Why are they BAD ? ENLARGING isn’t BAD for GOOD CAUSE (example Homeland security). Bush came up with the DRUG PLAN. In my case, in second stage, the drug company REDUCES cost of my insulin. No cost to government.Vast majority of the pills I use I pay for myself because is cheaper than through medicare. What medicare SAYS IS COST doesn’t equate to REAL COST government actual PAYS. Certain big wholesalers have say $10 for 90 day supple of certain drugs. Through medicare MUCH HIGHER. I buy only 2 things on my medicare card part D.

    We get a certain amount each year for drugs. Reduce that amount by real amount the government pays for drug, not the retail price. I’ll GUESS near half is NOT SPENT by government for this program. IS GREAT BENEFIT for those on fixed income. I CALL THAT GREAT.

    Unlike what some Congress members say, I don’t quickly spend what was contributed to my social security. My contribution WAS BUT A PART of total. There is employer matched amount PLUS, as social security says, interest IS collected until day principle is finally ALL GONE if that happens.

    B. You are AGAINST “No Child Left Behind” ??????? BIG GOVERNMENT BUSH. Bush got awards for helping HIV in Africa. You against that AS WELL ? This isn’t the same as us wanting to un-fund abortion in clinics. I’ll just say $$$’s spent for “No Child Left Behind” MAKES TAXES later on. Big saving giving a more prosperous future and EVEN BIGGER savings if it cuts jail population. Ignoring better life for the individual & less victim assaults. Can’t believe you added “No Child Left Behind”. A minor cost for major rewards.

    C. Now “spending projects the 2002 Farm Bill”

    At one time, maybe still, Ted Turner was one of the biggest receivers of money from this program. Besides him once married to Viet Nam Jane, money wasn’t meant for people like him. Super rich.

    You want to GET RID of this OVERALL good program. Wasn’t THUNK UP by Bush. EVEN IF HE WANTED, he has no line item veto. You, as President, would veto this bill ? Has ANYBODY vetoed ?

    D. “grevous pet projects symbolized by Sen.Ted Stevens$320 million dollar “Bridge to Nowhere’”

    You are blaming Bush & his people ? This was D.C. NORM.

    PORK was politics as usual UP TO BUSH. CHANGED under buma. BLAMING Bush for this IS unacceptable & NOT ALLOWED. Without line item veto, he must sign a good bill with PORK additives or veto. BE IT NOTED, a finance bill for war WAS vetoed. Bush warned & so much wasteful PORK WAS included it turned Bush’s stomach.

    2. “To round out the circle the government has hamstrung it’s own ability to keep track of spending by starving it’s watchdog,the Inspector General of resources and personnel.”

    Ah, THIS is making SMALLER GOVERNMET. You are complaining “big government Bush”

    O K… buma certainly want FULL strength here.

    Here is A VERY LIBERAL article. Can think 180 degree opposite of what’s is in article:

    http://www.foxriverwatch.com/nrda/bush_record.html

    buma IS using, trying to dry up, American own oil… Drill baby Drill anywhere but HERE. Make us buy higher overseas. Our local coal and shale oil FORGET ABOUT IT. Raise, raise, raise cost of utilities & everything that requires energy to make & transport to the consumer…

  • Bob

    “We have two new commenters selling stuff.I may find something to sell as well.”……………..Bill Hedges

    “Before I get started,is obvious your link is very anti-Bush”
    Bill Hedges

    The only thing you are selling is revisionist history.I provide two links from two seperate right wing sources and you still play the synthetic indignation card.You can evade reality but you can’t evade the consequences of evading reality.If a recession was in progress as you state you don’t up government spending to get out of it.But I’m wasting my breath because you’re a big government ESTABLISHMENT republican and priortize winning over Conservative values.

    There is nothing I can say or proof I can provide because you don’t want a discussion.You attempted using the bias pleas with success when argueing with the left.That “Trojan Horse” is exposed !

  • Bill Hedges

    I should of KNOW BETTER than to carry on a responsible, intelligent, conversation with you. You disregard opposing evidence with insults.

    Is OK for folks can read what you write and compare to mine.

    What you read IS NOT WHAT I wrote. Then you spoke for Nate and Nate said WHAT THE HECK…

  • Bill Hedges

    I NEVER brought up Keynesian economics.

  • Bob

    Medicare is going broke and NEEDS REFORM NOT EXPANSION.”NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND” was shown to be useless as is the “Head Start” program once the child gets in the next grades.What does “No Child Left Behind” have to do with cutting jail population and assaults?

    IT’S NOT GOVERNMENTS JOB TO SOLVE AIDS IN AFRICA !WHAT PART OF THE CONSTITUTION DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?

    GOOD GOSH MAN HOW CAN YOU ABSOLVE PRESIDENT BUSH AND THEN TURN AROUND AND CONDEMN PRESIDENT OBAMA! LINE ITEM VETO? BUSH DIDN’T USE HIS VETO PEN FOR THE FIRST 5 YEARS.President Bush SIGNED THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE BILL STATING HE “THOUGHT IT WASN’T CONSTITUTIONAL BUT WILL SIGN IT ANYWAY”………BUSH WAS OBAMA LITE!

  • Bob

    YOU WANT MORE?

    President Bush nominated liberal Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court until Conservatives held his feet to the fire and he wised up.

    President Bush wanted to give a contract to Dubai to provide port security in the United States….until conservatives wised him up.

    President Bush in his second inagural speech proposed perpetual war in order to achieve perpetual peace around the world.He proposed the promotion of democracy around the world and to “SEEK AND SUPPORT DEMOCRATIC MOVEMENTS”.

  • Bill Hedges

    Now you want to rebuttal. OK. Will answer 100% of what you wrote. Like for you to do the same.

    1. “Medicare is going broke and NEEDS REFORM NOT EXPANSION.”

    How did Bush expand ? I already discussed Plan D. Medicare is going broke because the Peggy Bank HAS BEEN STOLEN. I mentioned few of us spend what was put into program for us.

    2. NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND” was shown to be useless as is the “Head Start” program once the child gets in the next grades.What does “No Child Left Behind” have to do with cutting jail population and assaults?

    OK will accept at face value what you say. UNFORTUNEATLY not all good intension programs work. Then change or discontinue. As far as jail population, better education leads to less going to jail saving that expense. With better job they pay more taxes. Less crimes less assaults.

    3. IT’S NOT GOVERNMENTS JOB TO SOLVE AIDS IN AFRICA !WHAT PART OF THE CONSTITUTION DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?

    True. Not government job. Then, we have foreign aid. No doubt when Thomas Jefferson became President, he intended on following the strict letter of the Constitution. Little could he forsee the Louisianan Purchase I would imagine.

    4. GOOD GOSH MAN HOW CAN YOU ABSOLVE PRESIDENT BUSH AND THEN TURN AROUND AND CONDEMN PRESIDENT OBAMA!

    When you hit that button I’ll explain

    5. “LINE ITEM VETO? BUSH DIDN’T USE HIS VETO PEN FOR THE FIRST 5 YEARS.”

    Have ALWAYS said Bush did not veto enough. As I said, without line item veto Bush had to sign or veto. UNLIKE WHAT YOUR AUTHOR SAID, REPUBLICANS never did control congress under Bush.

    6. “President Bush SIGNED THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE BILL STATING HE “THOUGHT IT WASN’T CONSTITUTIONAL BUT WILL SIGN IT ANYWAY”………BUSH WAS OBAMA LITE!”

    No. buma signs a Presidential Order BYPASSING Congress.

    And your point IS.

    BUSH DID wire taps without court order. Was proven CONSTITUTIONAL by the Supreme Court. Put “ CAMPAIGN FINANCE BILL” in same boat. Wait & see.

    Bush “THOUGHT IT WASN’T CONSTITUTIONAL BUT WILL SIGN IT ANYWAY”. “Thought”. Had he known should not sign. But he “thought”. Time for OUR CHECK & BALANCE SYSTEM to check-in. Let Supreme Court decide…

  • Bob

    You can’t honestly believe that 4 and 5 year olds in No Child Left Behind and Head Start are going to decrease crime? Thats a stretch !

    It’s also a stretch to equate GIVING MONEY FOR AIDS IN AFRICA TO AQUIRING LAND IN NORTH AMERICA 200 YEARS AGO.THATS COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES.AND YES FOREIGN AID SHOULD BE CUT ALSO AS FAR AS I’M CONCERNED.

    WHAT PRESIDENTIAL ORDER BYPASSING CONGRESS? HE SIGNED THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE BILL INTO LAW AFTER CONGRESS PASSED IT.AGAIN YOUR REVISIONIST HISTORY.HE DIDN’T HAVE THE NERVE TO NOT SIGN IT SO HE PASSED THE BUCK TO THE SUPREME COURT. AND Pssst the SUPREME COURT DID DECIDE ABOUT IT AND OVERTURNED IT.

    I find your reasoning and logic more liberal than it is conservative.

  • Bill Hedges

    1. “YOU WANT MORE?”

    Am answering, in full, politics on this issue now

    2. “President Bush nominated liberal Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court until Conservatives held his feet to the fire and he wised up.”

    So. SARAH Palin said she would vote for a demo under the correct circumstance. You going to kick out all demos in TEA PARTY. LAST I checked about 20 % of Tea are demos & independents.

    Not all who declare themselves TEA ARE. I don’t judge the book by the cover. Don’t automatically dismiss a liberal. AND even BUSH can be told wrong by his advisers. There are lots of variable possible here. Yes, Bush could be wrong.

    3. “President Bush wanted to give a contract to Dubai to provide port security in the United States….until conservatives wised him up.”

    Maybe I should explain something since a pattern is developing here. President picks a company. That’s what they do. Is no secret. He’s told of problem, so he changes choice. You are trying to paint WRONG COLOR. He’s conservative enough to listen to conservative folks.

    4. “President Bush in his second inagural speech proposed perpetual war in order to achieve perpetual peace around the world.He proposed the promotion of democracy around the world and to “SEEK AND SUPPORT DEMOCRATIC MOVEMENTS”.

    I’ll await the quotes and link on this.

  • Bob

    We aren’t talking about Ms.Palin we are talking about President Bush.What she said isn’t relevant to what we are discussing.Another liberal trick to divert the conversation from fact.

    DUH!MAYBE I SHOULD EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO YOU ! You don’t have to be a brain surguon to realize Dubai isn’t a good choice WHEN YOU ARE FIGHTING A TERRORIST WAR!

    Below is a link to his second inagural speech.Look for the part where he says “All who live in tyranny and hopelessness can know the United states will not ignore your oppession.When you stand for liberty we will stand with you.”

    http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres67.html

  • Bob

    “I don’t judge the book by the cover.Don’t automatically dismiss a liberal”……………..Bill Hedges

    LMAO………boy you should join the Ananias Club for that one!

  • Bill Hedges

    1.You can’t honestly believe that 4 and 5 year olds in No Child Left Behind and Head Start are going to decrease crime? Thats a stretch !

    In my professional assessment… YES. No “stretch!”

    2. It’s also a stretch to equate GIVING MONEY FOR AIDS IN AFRICA TO AQUIRING LAND IN NORTH AMERICA 200 YEARS AGO.THATS COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES.AND YES FOREIGN AID SHOULD BE CUT ALSO AS FAR AS I’M CONCERNED.

    BOTH not mentioned in Constitution. That is not a “stretch” or “COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES”

    3. “WHAT PRESIDENTIAL ORDER BYPASSING CONGRESS? HE SIGNED THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE BILL INTO LAW AFTER CONGRESS PASSED IT.AGAIN YOUR REVISIONIST HISTORY.HE DIDN’T HAVE THE NERVE TO NOT SIGN IT SO HE PASSED THE BUCK TO THE SUPREME COURT. AND Pssst the SUPREME COURT DID DECIDE ABOUT IT AND OVERTURNED IT.”

    Not “REVISIONIST HISTORY”, YOU ARE MISREADING. What I wrote was *** No. buma signs a Presidential Order BYPASSING Congress***

    About CAMPAIGN FINANCE BILL I wrote *** BUSH DID wire taps without court order. Was proven CONSTITUTIONAL by the Supreme Court. Put “ CAMPAIGN FINANCE BILL” in same boat. Wait & see.

    Bush “THOUGHT IT WASN’T CONSTITUTIONAL BUT WILL SIGN IT ANYWAY”. “Thought”. Had he known should not sign. But he “thought”. Time for OUR CHECK & BALANCE SYSTEM to check-in. Let Supreme Court decide…***

    So they “overturned”. Checks & balances AT WORK…

    4. “I find your reasoning and logic more liberal than it is conservative.”

    Don’t care… Immaterial to our discussion. No need for me to justify myself to you. Just another insult you’re throwing at me. Your doing little to substantiate your claim “BIG government Bush”. The big expenses he occurred was caused by mitigating circumstance OUT OF HIS CONTROL. Unlike in court, in this example, no guilt upon Bush.

  • Bob

    AND YES I’M “PORKING(sic)FUN AT YOU”

  • Bill Hedges

    dd mao used urban slang…Your twin brother ???

  • Bill Hedges

    Your slipping into the MUD. End of discussion. You GAVE ME THE WIN…

  • Bob

    YOUR WHOLE LOGIC IS BASED RELATIVE ON WHAT OTHER POLITICANS EITHER SAY OR DO.WE AREN’T DISCUSSING PRESIDENT OBAMA PRESIDENTIAL ORDERS, WHAT MS.PALIN THINKS OR AMERICAN HISTORY 200 YEARS AGO.WE ARE DISCUSSING PRESIDENT BUSH.

    And I in turn don’t care what you think or if you believe my links as proof because you are an establishment republican and I know you will never admit you are wrong.You did little to disprove my statements.

  • Bill Hedges

    Where did “And I in turn don’t care what you think” ? Possible THIS ???

    TRY to read with comprehension:

    4. “I find your reasoning and logic more liberal than it is conservative.”

    Don’t care… Immaterial to our discussion. No need for me to justify myself to you. Just another insult you’re throwing at me. Your doing little to substantiate your claim “BIG government Bush”. The big expenses he occurred was caused by mitigating circumstance OUT OF HIS CONTROL. Unlike in court, in this example, no guilt upon Bush.

    Won’t be correcting the rest of your mistakes in your final comment…

  • Bob

    (sic) Means I know it’s spelt wrong but that is the way he wrote it.
    STEPPING IN MUD”and “URBAN SLANG”? I’M JUST QUOTING YOU FROM THE THREAD “WILL IRAN STEP UP…….” 30TH JANUARY @ 3;35 PM

    OR I SHOULD SAY I’M POKING FUN AT YOU BUT YOU’RE TO DUMB TO REALIZE IT!

  • Bill Hedges

    Keep going as you wish.

    Adding to your naughty list for when Nate leaves a comment here.

  • Bob, regarding your link:

    http://www.redstate.com/nedryun/2013/02/18/how-to-win-in-virginia-in-2013/

    Yeah, I’ve been following that. I’m thrilled with Cuccinelli at the top of the ticket, he is a fighter for conservative policies.

  • Bob

    Nate;
    I don’t need to tell you how our state has been voting lately so this is ominous news about Mr.Cuccinelli being in a dead heat with Mr.Mc Auliffe.You’ve had your ear to the listening post have you heard anything about this man they are touting for Lt.Governor?

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/mcauliffe-cuccinelli-in-dead-heat-in-virginia-87844.html?hp=l6

  • Bob

    Nate:
    I’ve been reading your twitter page and know you support the Second Amendment.Here’s an article on the hypocrisy of the left where they want gun control in public but invest in gun manufacturers in private.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/338186/dems-and-their-gun-money-betsy-woodruff