Here We Are

The polls and pundits don’t agree. You can make a valid case for whichever way your predilection falls. Objectivists call it a tossup one day out.

My sense is that in voting booths, in the privacy of mind, the President will be rejected.

It is hard to see how undecided voters, it they are undecided will, in the majority, decide for the President. We have had four years to judge.

Evangelicals could win Ohio for Romney, they’ve been quiet of late but they are still out there and vote when motivated, I believe the President has motivated them. Virginia is too close to call but I’m in Virginia and the enthusiasm seems tilted to Gov. Romney. Western Pennsylvania will be hit hard by a second Obama administration with coal and frocking in the center of the target.

In Wisconsin Republicans won the Governorship and then defended it against a recall. The polls in that recall election were dramatically wrong. Florida is likely a Romney win.

Where ads are running for the President it is still: the war on women, Bain Capital and ‘let’s have a talk around the kitchen table’. It’s difficult to see how these themes, will impact undecided voters. At this point folks are tuning out the ads, by and large.

The President has been able to push the fiscal cliff, Benghazi and new regulation beyond Election Day. Sandy helped erase Romney from the picture for three days. The ‘final arguments’ may make a difference. The Romney approach has been to go large and optimistic. The Romney argument seems, in large measure, aimed at the middle. The President appears to still be talking to his base. The President is still trying to define Romney; Romney is focused on the record. Both appear confident but Romney has been the one to stay on script. (Watched speeches all weekend long)

I predict an Electoral College win for Romney that will approach or exceed 300. This will be accomplished by a spate of narrow victories in the battleground states. Win by 10 or win by 1, a win is a win. In many cases there are only two to four percent that may truly be undecided on Election Day. The opportunity for a landslide of narrow victories is there and, yes, it could go either way. I’m down to my instinct; my instinct says President Romney.

  • Bones

    The polls would have to be pretty dramatically off for Mr. Romney to top 300 electoral votes.

  • Bill Hedges

    Bones writes “The polls would have to be pretty dramatically off for Mr. Romney to top 300 electoral votes.”

    NO. NOT REALLY…

    GALLUP, IT APPEARS, has STOPPED polling for presidency Nov. 1, 2012 BECAUSE of NE problems (how outcome of presidency will be effected by conditions in that area don’t know come tomorrow. Is heavy democrat region). You provide NO LINKS & I have NO IDEA how reliable poll you read or DATE was done. Gallup numbers not being in REAL CLEAR data COULD affect reliably of REAL CLEAR data. NOT that I even normally look at REAL CLEAR.

    My memory has gone lapse. Was THE GREAT LOSS well publicized prior to Nov. 2, 2010 ? Can you *** hear *** a democrat in Congress who recognized that hurricane across this nation Nov. 2, 2010 ? MY recollection is NO to both.

    I have NO IDEA who will win. THEY SAID Harry S. Truman loss.

    I use Gallup because liberals complained of previous poll I used. SHOP FOR MY VIEW polls I don’t grease those gears:

    “Obama Ahead in 10-Point Favorability Measure, 62% to 55%”

    “Trends suggest this is not a perfect predictor of victory in the election”

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/158465/obama-ahead-point-favorability-measure.aspx

    NOW THIS is Nov. 1 numbers.

    “201 Obama/Biden 146 Toss Ups Romney/Ryan 191”

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

    After 4 years of “CHANGE” in office this is a close race & shouldn’t be if voters were pleased with bum-bum.. WINNER will be chosen by who is more motivated to show up tomorrow & vote. In the 1800’s was difficult to vote YET highest % of voters voted in our history _81.2 %_.

    Secession.

    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/turnout.php

    We Republicans stood with slaves & freed blacks in fighting for freedom. MANY times votes for civil rights bills were won with all Republican votes In Congress.

    We are at the gates of destruction. Gotten here by Bill C, Lawyer obama with Acorn, etc. As I recently PROVEN at “ Is The President Trapped? Bill Hedges Oct 30th, 2012 at 10:44 am”
    . Bush & McCain’s bills to revamp banking regulations failed & recession hit USA full hurricane wind force.

    SAY *no more* LIBERAL CHANGE in vote tomorrow…

  • Landreaux

    Yea, but if today’s Rasumssun voter self identification is correct the polls are wrong. Rasmussen says there are more self identified Republicans than Democrats by 6 points. Nearly all the polls adjust off of an expectaton of the 2008 numbers. The voter ID for Republicans is the highest they’ve ever been according to Rasmussun. Nearly all the polls depend on 2008 as a base line. Statistically correct on an apples to apples comparative. 2008 ignores 2010 because it was not a presidential election year. I believe we would all agree “something” happened in 2010 that was not even vaguely reminiscent of 2008.

    The two major name outliers are Michael Barone and Dick Morris. Morris factors in 2010 and Barone simply knows the numbers precinct by precinct he is THE authority on voting patterns and history.

    The Rasmussen numbers just came out today.

  • Bob

    According to the Democrats there’s no sense going to the polls tommorrow the DCCC in a memo just declared the Tea Party dead !

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/democrats-declare-tea-party-over-164418069–election.html

  • Bones

    Landreaux,

    Interesting. I don’t have enough grasp on the intricacies of polling to understand them fully. I just look at the averages. If the polls all turn out to be massively underestimating Mr. Romney’s lead, tomorrow should be interesting.

  • Bones,

    Keep in mind that, for instance, the RCP averages are, averages of averages. Any busiess person who works with numbers will tell you that averaging averages is fraught with the potential for large errors and misrepresentation. A poll is a conversion of what they hear on the phone to what they think actual turnout will be. We/ve been averaging averages. Necessary perhaps but throwing 10 polls into the soup may or may not accuratly represent the electorate.

  • B Mac

    I agree with Landreaux. I think that Romney will win. I am fairly confindent. Romney only really needs 22 electoral votes to win (I assume he gets NC, FL and VA). I think he will get at least 295 electoral votes. This will included IA, CO, OH and WI. If he can pick up PA or MI I am be amazed. I think PA is a better shot that MI, so does the Romney campaign.

    CNN just released their poll showing a tie but with D+11 or 12. When Obama-mania was at its peak, it was merely D+7.

    According to Rasmussen and Gallup we are likely to see a Republican voter advantage of at least R+1.

    I find it hard to believe that more Democrats are going to vote this time than they did during the historic 2008 campaign. Therefore, I think we will see a Romney landslide in the popular vote. Probably not in the Electoral Vote due to MI and PA.

    I am in Oklahoma. We are the only state in which all 77 counties went for McCain. So, I am pretty sure that Romney doesn’t have to worry about us. I never even saw a Romney ad.

  • Bill Hedges

    In last election, 2 black panther thugs stood outside a voting precinct. One with night stick. I THINK only one was charged & found guilty for not showing up for trial. buma’s attorney general DROPPED CHARGES AFTER FOUND GUILTY BY JUDGE. GUESS WHAT ??? If you guessed a repeat performance at same prescient, then obviously you are NOT A LIBERAL. I expected & more this time.

    “Election 2012: Voter fraud reported, New Black Panthers at polls, SJP error”

    http://www.examiner.com/article/election-2012-voter-fraud-reported-new-black-panthers-at-polls-sjp-error

    On radio to & from voting booth, I heard of irregularities in Detroit, FL, and Philia. One place had HUGH PHOTO of buma where you picked up your ballot. ETC.. Mind you it takes 7 minute driving time TOTAL …

  • JD McAfoose

    Obama for another 4 years.

  • Bill Hedges

    Yes, “Obama for another 4 years” ! Looks like House will be even more Republican. Prepare to sing “racist” and “party of NO”. Don’t forget buma’s passed “PAY AS YOU GO”. BUMCARE IS NOT “DEBT NEUTRAL” ACCORDING TO CBO. How will you all pay for that ?

    In 8 years Bush had $$ 4 trillion in debt (BUM $$$ 6 trillion how quickly ?). Had Demos listened to Bush’s warnings concerning financial BUBBLE, well, demos didn’t.

    Demos relied on *** NOTIONS ***. Bush caused THE RECESSION. CARE TO PROVE ? Of course NOT. Mike said Bush tax cuts for rich didn’t work. Mike PROVED *** NOT ***. Mike promised to do. LIBERALS *** don’t prove ***. FOR GOOD REASON. THEY simple DISMISE.

    Yes, “Obama for another 4 years” ! States deep in debt are LIBERAL. Not aren’t.

    Yes, “Obama for another 4 years” ! GOD HELP US. THEN BUM promised to reduce debt in HALF. Mirror, mirror on the wall, whose the biggest LIAR of them all.

    Yes, “Obama for another 4 years” !!! GOD SAVE US. The welfare train can’t support 50% of population paying no federal income tax with many getting government retribution for voting buma, Rich will not invest when rich in of Bush tax cut are DROPPED and their taxes further raised to pay down debt. As JFK said to make rich pay MORE TAXES you cut their taxes. Well bum says must raise to be fair. I have proved JFK correct with CBO’s real numbers.

    We’ll you wanted it and now you got it. Yes, “Obama for another 4 years” ! Soon bumcare really kicks in (why the wait ?). That salvation is really doom. So says CBO. Lord take pity on our soul.

    Yes, “Obama for another 4 years” ! You got what you wished for. What promises from first time did he keep that you are happy with ? bumcare polls was & still is against. What did he promise THIS TIME ???

  • OBAMA_SUCKS

    4 more years of Obama…I am completely disgusted with the American people and how they have chose this man to ruin our country even more. We are now a nation of takers and not innovators like we once were, soon enough we will be at 20 trillion in debt and be servants to China and we are well on our way to Greece, Italy, Spain and France. The fact that people do not see these things hurts and it hurts even more that Romney never talked about them, talk about running to nice of a campaign. All i know is now when social security is gone, and pensions are gone, I will be thus working until I am 80 years old, I am 23 and well 57 years isnt to bad i guess…Thanks Obama, and thank you to the American people who have led us towards becoming a European country.

  • OBAMA_SUCKS

    Oh and get ready to feel the full effects of Obamacare come January, plus with the new EPA regulations and taxes that were withheld until after the election (at Obama’s request), the devastation will be terrible, job losses will ultimately increase and Americans will again realize what a terrible choice they have made, well done people, well done.

  • Nation of makers to nation of takers. Sad really.

  • B Mac

    I am still dumbfounded that the polls were actually right. I just simply can’t believe that the electorate was +Democrat when the economy and employment are still so bad.

    I think the GOP is dead. They will have to re-invent themselves. Personally, I would like to see the Libertarian party rise up and become a force to be reckoned with. The GOP establishment, (Rove, Morris, et. al) needs to crawl into a cave and stay there. The electorate has changed. People believe in the lies of the Liberals and fear the GOP.

    I feel I was duped by the blind optimism that the polls were wrong. It took me several hours to actually fall asleep after the grasping that Obama was to be re-elected.

    Poor America and poor children. My daughter will not have the same life and opportunity that I had. Don’t get me wrong, I will do everything in my power to encourage her and promote her well being, but the government may make it impossible.

  • B Mac,

    I had a sinking feeling when I went into my son’s room this morning. He is only 14 months old. I feared for the first time, the possibility that he will not recognize America the same way I do. It is a pit of my stomach feeling.

  • Mike R

    I am sitting here trying to imagine the alternate universe you guys seem to live in. You seem to believe that everyone who voted for the President is a ‘taker’ who voted in hopes of getting something material. I have friends and family who voted both ways. I think about the ones who voted for the President:

    A nurse who’s worked for almost 30 years in the labor and delivery department of our local hospital.

    Another nurse, a German immigrant with a great work ethic, who takes good care of helpless old people in a nursing home.

    A factory worker who’s worked all his life and never taken a dime from the government or anyone else.

    An electrical engineer and his wife, a lawyer.

    A young lady studying for her doctorate in biochemistry and her fiance, with his doctorate in chemistry and working in his profession.

    An ironworker and his wife, a meter reader.

    But perhaps I qualify as a taker, because after more than 40 years of working at a variety of jobs from steelworker to high school teacher, I’m drawing about $13,000 a year on SS disability. I’m not likely to get back what I put in.

    You should calm down. I watched the returns last night not knowing who would win. I wasn’t ‘duped by blind optimism’ because I don’t get all my information from biased sources. If Governer Romney had won, I would have been disappointed. I wouldn’t have been dismayed, because I see him as a man I disagree with, not as a demon with a secret plan to destroy the nation.

    You need to come out of your bubble and see the real America, where the vast majority of people, including those who voted for Mr. Obama, drag themselves out of bed every morning to work at a job and support themselves and their families.

  • Bones

    I truly don’t understand the source of your despair. I do believe the country is much better off than it was 4 years ago. Things aren’t fabulous, but they’re better than they were. Credit default swap scandals, housing bust, foreign wars they’re behind us or getting there soon.

    Things could be better. But they’ve been worse, too. And America survived. What happened to Believe in America?

  • Bill Hedges

    It would have saved a lot of PAIN had democrats listened to Bush and keep us out of this economic predicament:

    “Pelosi Caught In Major Lie- Says Bush Didn’t Warn Congress About Financial Crisis… Records Show He Warned Congress 17 Times in 2008 Alone”

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2010/05/pelosi-caught-in-major-lie-says-bush-didnt-warn-congress-about-financial-crisis-records-show-he-warned-congress-17-in-2008-alone/

  • Bill Hedges

    Part 2

    A. Bones wrotes “I do believe the country is much better off than it was 4 years ago”:

    “Facts That Dispute Obama’s Lies About the Economy”

    Links given to support each point.

    #1 “Today there are million working age Americans that are not employed and that are not looking for employment. That is an all-time record high.”

    #2 “When Barack Obama was elected, the percentage of unemployed Americans that had been out of work for more than 52 weeks was less than 15%. Today, it is above 30%.”

    #3 “There are .2 million fewer jobs in America today than there were when Barack Obama was inaugurated.”

    #4 “When Barack Obama first took office, the number of “long-term unemployed workers” in the United States was approximately 2.6 million. Today, that number is sitting at .6 million.”

    #5 “The average duration of unemployment in the United States is hovering close to an all-time record high.”

    #6 “During the Obama administration, worker health insurance costs have risen by 23 percent.”

    #7 “Since Barack Obama has been president, the average price of a gallon of gasoline in the United States has increased by 90 percent.”

    #8 “Since Barack Obama has been president, home values in the United States have declined by another 13 percent.”

    #9 “Under Barack Obama, new home sales in the U.S. set a brand new all-time record low in 2009, they set a brand new all-time record low again in 2010, and they set a brand new all-time record low once again during 2011.”

    #10 “Since Barack Obama took office, the number of Americans living in poverty has risen by more than 6 million.”

    #11 “Since Barack Obama entered the White House, the number of Americans on food stamps has increased from 32 million to 46 million.”

    #12 “The amount of money that the federal government gives directly to Americans has increased by 32 percent since Barack Obama entered the White House.”

    #13 “According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the percentage of Americans living in “extreme poverty” is now sitting at an all-time high.”

    #14 “When Barack Obama first took office, an ounce of gold was going for about $850. Today an ounce of gold costs more than $1700 an ounce.”

    #15 “Since Barack Obama became president, the size of the U.S. national debt has increased by 44 percent.”

    #16 “During Barack Obama’s first two years in office, the U.S. government added more to the U.S. national debt than the first 100 U.S. Congresses combined.”

    #17 “During the Obama administration, the U.S. government has accumulated more debt than it did from the time that George Washington took office to the time that Bill Clinton took office.”

    #18 “The U.S. national debt has been increasing by an average of more than 4 billion dollars per day since the beginning of the Obama administration.”

    http://catchkevin.com/18-facts-that-dispute-obamas-lies-about-the-economy/

    B. Bones wrote “What happened to Believe in America?”

    Even the Roman Empire fell & the unsinkable Titanic went to the bottom of ocean…

  • Bill Hedges

    “#1 Today there are 88 million working age Americans that are not employed and that are not looking for employment. That is an all-time record high”

    Some numbers did not copy & paste…

  • JD McAfoose

    It was a great election night. As mentioned before it was not about the independents and their votes but rather the mobilization of moderates which Romney was not able to do.

    The republican party has become too divisive for moderates to relate to. All and all, I felt Romney ran with the information he had and it ended up being wrong. But he ran a great campaign.

    I have no doubt 2016 is going to make for an interesting year of presidential candidates on both sides. Fortunately, my party was elected this year but I look forward to the next election cycle and that is why I am happy to see my children live in the USA…where participation is allowed and respect for the ballot is honored.

    The world is not over…its just moving forward :p

  • Bones

    Bill, link to divisive partisan web-sites with titles like “18 Facts That Dispute Obama’s Lies About the Economy” all you want. Include a dozen degrading, photoshopped images of our nation’s commander-in-chief if you feel particularly unpatriotic. But don’t expect me to take you seriously. Especially when it uses numbers like .2 million (also known as 200,000 – what sorts of numbskulls was this written for?).

    Really, are there 88 million unemployed Americans today, setting an all time record high? That’s strange since the unemployment rate is roughly the same as when our president took office. Now how could that be… oh, wait! I know! Our population is larger than ever before! And you’re going to blame the president because the price of gold has gone up? You point out that the current congress added more to the debt than the first 100 combined? Well that’s interesting. Why the first 100, and not the most recent 100? Oh, I know. Because that wouldn’t be even nearly true. The author of this article is playing the reader for a fool by using carefully chosen metrics to paint a portrait of half truths! And you wonder why I dislike strongly partisan portraits, Bill.

    Here’s why: They play you for a fool, and you fall for it. The author manipulates you as a sheepherder leads sheep. You’re being played, Bill. And the people playing you are everything that’s wrong with the sleezy partisan manipulation of this country.

    We are all Americans. We are families, neighbors, communities, cities, states and one nation. We must be united. And we will never be united if we rely on scam artists for our talking points. So don’t, Bill. They’re lying to you with truths. Please see that.

  • Bill Hedges

    Seems AGAIN Nov. 2, 2010 has been forgotten by a liberal. ONE election a movement DOES NOT MAKE. Not in 2010 & not in 2012. HAPPY FDR DAYS are not here AGAIN for bum.

    bum faces a even stronger Republican House. Likely Reed will put bills passed in House in cold storage as he has been doing. No vote in Senate thus not rewritten and sent back to House AS IS NORMAL. A DEAD BEAT SENATE. Another 4 years without a budget ? How EASY will a debt ceiling raise BE ?

    What your side MUST ANSWER in 2016 is bumcare. After passed, a 4 year wait +, was instigated for full blown compliance. Come presidential election 2016, if CBO predictions are true, demos are likely tar & feathered long before Nov. VOTE.

    Can only conjecture his re-election with all his many poison pills WAS his Iris luck kissing the . Above your comment are just 18. bum leads a charmed life with obamaites MORE THAN WILLING to ignore his administrations many ugly flaws. But he doesn’t walk on water. He just kissed the Irish blarney stone of luck :

    November 2, 2012

    “How Far Obama Has Fallen”

    “From historic figure to beleaguered incumbent in less than four years.”

    “It was Jan. 20, 2009. The new president was 47 and in the kind of position politicians can only dream of—a historic figure walking in, the first African-American president, broadly backed by the American people. He won by 9.5 million votes. Two days after his inauguration, Gallup had him at 68% approval, only 12% disapproval. He had a Democratic Senate, and for a time a filibuster-proof 60 members. He had a Democratic House (256-178) with a colorful, energetic speaker. The mainstream media were excited about him, supportive of him. ”

    “Books will be written about what happened, but early on the president made two terrible legislative decisions. The stimulus bill was a political disaster, and it wasn’t the cost, it was the content. We were in crisis, losing jobs. People would have accepted high spending if it looked promising. But the stimulus was the same old same old, pure pork aimed at reliable constituencies. It would course through the economy with little effect. And it would not receive a single Republican vote in the House (three in the Senate), which was bad for Washington, bad for our politics. It was a catastrophic victory. It did say there was a new boss in town. But it also said the new boss was out of his league.”

    “Then health care, a mistake beginning to end. The president’s 14-month-long preoccupation with ObamaCare signaled that he did not share the urgency of people’s most immediate concerns—jobs, the economy, all the coming fiscal cliffs. The famous 2,000-page bill added to their misery by adding to their fear”

    http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html

    Not the bright, rosy, picture you paint for bum. Should not read the whole story…

  • Bill Hedges

    Bones _ THE MAN WITHOUT A LINK…

    Each of the 18 points have links to explain in detail. Can not help you do not wish to open link & read. You just DISMISS instead of DISPROVE with data & links. I have no interest in your opinion comment. DISPROVE not DISMISS. I don’t play by liberal’s rules.

    You want un-bias sources, then here is all CBO REAL NUMBERS not ESTIMATES. DISPROVE. YOU WON’T BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT. Just like Mike who is now MIA after he promised to prove his comment concerning Bush:

    “Who Really Benefited From the Bush Tax Cuts? ”

    “Many believe the Reagan and Bush tax cuts overwhelmingly benefited the wealthy. However, data from the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) shows that poor and middle income Americans have benefited more than the wealthy.”

    “In 1979, the poorest 20% of earners paid no income tax. By 2007, that same group had a negative income tax rate of 6.8%. In other words, they took home 6.8% more than they paid in to the federal government. Middle income Americans paid an effective income tax rate (the amount paid after deductions) of .5% in 1979. That rate was cut to .3% in 2007, a drop of more than 50%.”

    “What about those dastardly one percenters? Back in the days of Jimmy Carter, Americans in the top one percent of earners paid an effective tax rate of .8%. The effective tax rate fell all the way to … wait for it … %.”

    “Even when taking into account all federal taxes, the poor and middle class have benefited more than their wealthy counterparts. In 1979, the total effective federal tax rate (including payroll taxes, excise, capital gains, estate, and corporate taxes) was % for the poorest Americans and 18.6% for middle income earners. Thanks to the Reagan and Bush tax cuts, those rates fell 50% and 23%, respectively. The top one percent of earners had their total effective tax rate fall 21% over the same time period.”

    “The tax code has also become more progressive. As indicated above, the top 1% of earners now pay an effective income tax rate of 19%, nearly six times the percent paid by middle income earners (3.3%). In 1979, the differential between the rate paid by the top one percent was less than three times that of middle class earners.”

    “Not surprisingly, the wealthy are also paying more of the tab now than they did 30 years ago. In 1980, the top 5% of income earners paid 37% of all income tax revenue, while the bottom 50% paid 7%. By 2009, the top 5% of earners paid a whopping %, while the bottom half of earners paid just 2.25% of the total pie.”

    “The wealthy also pay more than their representative income would dictate. According to the most recent data available from the IRS, the top 1% earned 17% of the total income in 2009. Meanwhile, they paid 37% of all the taxes paid. The bottom half of earners took in 13% of the 2009 total taxable income, yet paid just 2.25% of the total tax revenue.”

    “But haven’t all these tax cuts blown a hole in our budget? The answer is no. Despite across the board tax cuts, revenues remained at or near historic levels as a percentage of GDP until the financial collapse in 2007. In fact, tax revenue as a percentage of GDP was exactly the same in 1979 as it was in 2007: .5%. With the recession, tax revenue has dipped to 14.9% of GDP, while spending has risen to 25%, which accounts for our widening deficit.”

    “If current tax rates are left in place, the CBO projects that tax revenue will return to historic levels by 2021, while spending will remain well above historic levels, 26% of GDP. The picture gets even worse with time. The CBO predicts spending to reach % of GDP by 2035. It would be impossible to collect 34% of GDP in revenue without steep tax increases on all Americans; including the poor and middle class. There simply aren’t enough rich people to pay the bill. To put this in perspective, in order to close the budget gap in 2010 solely on the backs of those making more than $250,000, the two highest tax brackets would have to rise to percent and 142 percent. Of course, it’s impossible to tax individuals more than 100%; even if it were desirable.”

    “In sum, the tax cuts enacted by Reagan and Bush have benefited the poor and middle class more than the wealthy. Their taxes have been cut more drastically than wealthy Americans, and many have been taken off the tax rolls altogether. In 2009, a majority of Americans paid no federal income tax. The poor and middle class also pay a far lower percentage of the total revenue pie now. Despite across the board tax cuts, revenues have remained essentially constant. Unfortunately, our spending has ballooned, and is only projected to increase with time”

    http://www.policymic.com/articles/3701/who-really-benefited-from-the-bush-tax-cuts

  • OBAMA_SUCKS

    Bill’s 18 points are all pretty legitimate, is it Bones you are just struck by the truth, it hurts right to see that your liberal agenda for fiscal decisions doesn’t work.

    The fact that blacks continue to vote democrat leaves me dumbfounded. Democrats started Jim Crow laws, they were the slave owners in the south, the created the projects/hoods and lumped blacks and minorities into the cities as a way to have them all together and at the time it was labeled as a good thing. Now what do they do, these people are still stuck in these shit holes and always vote strictly democrat, why you ask, because they get a handout, or a check and that is how democrats win elections. They give people money so they are reliant, and in turn have to vote for them. It is sad that only 5 percent of blacks vote Republican, those 5% are the ones that saw through the bullshit and the putting down of an entire race. Liberals being the all accepting, tolerant, loving people of this world, is just a hoax.

  • Bill Hedges

    Bones

    Clearing up just one of your goofs. Pointing out more gives you room to worm out from behind the 8 ball…

    If you took the time to check source for 88 million (as I suggested), you would find “88 million out of work and not looking for a job” (not counted in unemployment numbers)

    You think unemployment is about the same as when bum came to office. ARE you KIDDING ME ? Again, “88 million out of work and not looking for a job”. Unemployment numbers are those actively looking for work & drawing unemployment checks. Then you have those who are NOT COUNTED because they ran out of unemployment checks or maybe JUST gave up. I’m stopping here. You should know these things. I DO. I’m NOT YOUR TEACHER. With your lack of knowledge you put down my link mistakenly ? UNBELIEVABLE.

    SO your full comment was “Really, are there 88 million unemployed Americans today, setting an all time record high? That’s strange since the unemployment rate is roughly the same as when our president took office” shows……..“That’s strange” NOT ………… No wonder you are a liberal. Your political education is LACKING AS I EXPLAINED. Read the article and links and you would have KNOWN. You should have known that LONG AGO. I DID. Then I am a Conservative TEA. Not a single drop of liberal blood…

  • Mike R

    Of course the fact that black people vote for Democrats leaves you dumfounded. When you get all your information from the reactionary propaganda machine, many things, like the election results the other night, are going to leave you dumfounded.

    This latest scam running around the internet, the assertion that the Republican Party is the best friend black people ever had, is a perfect example. I find it sadly amusing that people who claim to love America more than anyone else never seem to know squat about the history of America. I suspect I’m wasting my time, but I’m going to give it a shot.

    The Republican party was founded in the 1850’s. It’s base was made up of western farmers who wanted to keep slavery out of the territories and northeastern abolitionists(liberals). When Lincoln was elected in 1860, the slaveowners secceded and we fought a civil war which ended slavery.

    After the war, the southern Democrats did their best to keep the freed slaves in a state of unofficial slavery using KKK terror. Through the reconstruction period, the abolitionist Republicans of the north tried to defend southern blacks. By 1877 this battle was lost, largely because the party was quickly coming under the sway of northern industrialists who didn’t care about black people. In the disputed election of 1877, the Republican candidate, Rutherford Hayes, agreed to remove the Federal military from the south and abandon the oppressed blacks there.

    Neither party lifted a finger for black people for almost a century. Southern blacks were stripped of the vote and kept in submission by the southern, conservative wing of the Democratic party. Northern Democrats and Republicans looked the other way.

    The civil rights movement of the 60’s broke this system. Black people and white liberals put their lives on the line to gain freedom for the black population in the south. Conservatives, Democratic and Republican, opposed the movement. But the courage of the movement won the respect of the american people, and in 1964 Johnson’s first civil rights bill was passed. Johnson said when he signed the bill that the Democratic Party was losing its southern wing.

    He was right. Southern conservatives, encouraged by Nixon and Reagan’s ‘southern strategy’ poured into the Republican party, and southern whites are today the core of the party.

    You, Mr. Obama Sucks, are dumfounded that black people vote for liberals. But you’re not really dumfounded, are you? You know why they vote for liberals: “because they get a handout or a check”.

    Why don’t black people vote for a party populated by people like you who consider them parasites? Think real hard; maybe you can figure it out.

  • Bill Hedges

    Mike R. _ Where is your supporting evidence ? Here is mine… Al Gore’s Daddy was a racist…

    OBAMA_SUCKS IS CORRECT.

    QUESTION. What party passed many of the bills, ALL BY THEMSELVES, for civil rights. Wasn’t demos. Try to call this BIAS MATERIAL. To 1901:

    July 17, 1862
    Over unanimous Democrat opposition, Republican Congress passes Confiscation Act stating that slaves of the Confederacy “shall be forever free”

    January 31, 1865
    th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. House with unanimous Republican support, intense Democrat opposition

    April 8, 1865
    th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. Senate with 100% Republican support, 63% Democrat opposition

    November 22, 1865
    Republicans denounce Democrat legislature of Mississippi for enacting “black codes,” which institutionalized racial discrimination

    February 5, 1866
    U.S. Rep. Thaddeus Stevens (R-PA) introduces legislation, successfully opposed by Democrat President Andrew Johnson, to implement “40 acres and a mule” relief by distributing land to former slaves

    “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”

    April 9, 1866
    Republican Congress overrides Democrat President Johnson’s veto; Civil Rights Act of 1866, conferring rights of citizenship on African-Americans, becomes law

    May 10, 1866
    U.S. House passes Republicans’ 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the laws to all citizens; 100% of Democrats vote no

    June 8, 1866
    U.S. Senate passes Republicans’ 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the law to all citizens; 94% of Republicans vote yes and 100% of Democrats vote no

    “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”

    January 8, 1867
    Republicans override Democrat President Andrew Johnson’s veto of law granting voting rights to African-Americans in D.C.

    July 19, 1867
    Republican Congress overrides Democrat President Andrew Johnson’s veto of legislation protecting voting rights of African-Americans

    March 30, 1868
    Republicans begin impeachment trial of Democrat President Andrew Johnson, who declared: “This is a country for white men, and by God, as long as I am President, it shall be a government of white men”

    September 12, 1868
    Civil rights activist Tunis Campbell and 24 other African-Americans in Georgia Senate, every one a Republican, expelled by Democrat majority; would later be reinstated by Republican Congress

    “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”

    October 7, 1868
    Republicans denounce Democratic Party’s national campaign theme: “This is a white man’s country: Let white men rule”

    October 22, 1868
    While campaigning for re-election, Republican U.S. Rep. James Hinds (R-AR) is assassinated by Democrat terrorists who organized as the Ku Klux Klan

    December 10, 1869
    Republican Gov. John Campbell of Wyoming Territory signs FIRST-in-nation law granting women right to vote and to hold public office

    February 3, 1870
    After passing House with 98% Republican support and 97% Democrat opposition, Republicans’ 15th Amendment is ratified, granting vote to all Americans regardless of race

    “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”

    May 31, 1870
    President U.S. Grant signs Republicans’ Enforcement Act, providing stiff penalties for depriving any American’s civil rights

    June 22, 1870
    Republican Congress creates U.S. Department of Justice, to safeguard the civil rights of African-Americans against Democrats in the South

    September 6, 1870
    Women vote in Wyoming, in FIRST election after women’s suffrage signed into law by Republican Gov. John Campbell

    February 28, 1871
    Republican Congress passes Enforcement Act providing federal protection for African-American voters

    April 20, 1871
    Republican Congress enacts the Ku Klux Klan Act, outlawing Democratic Party-affiliated terrorist groups which oppressed African-Americans

    “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”

    October 10, 1871
    Following warnings by Philadelphia Democrats against black voting, African-American Republican civil rights activist Octavius Catto murdered by Democratic Party operative; his military funeral was attended by thousands

    October 18, 1871
    After violence against Republicans in South Carolina, President Ulysses Grant deploys U.S. troops to combat Democrat terrorists who formed the Ku Klux Klan

    November 18, 1872
    Susan B. Anthony arrested for voting, after boasting to Elizabeth Cady Stanton that she voted for “the Republican ticket, straight”

    January 17, 1874
    Armed Democrats seize Texas state government, ending Republican efforts to racially integrate government

    September 14, 1874
    Democrat white supremacists seize Louisiana statehouse in attempt to overthrow racially-integrated administration of Republican Governor William Kellogg; 27 killed

    “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”

    March 1, 1875
    Civil Rights Act of 1875, guaranteeing access to public accommodations without regard to race, signed by Republican President U.S. Grant; passed with 92% Republican support over 100% Democrat opposition

    “January 10, 1878
    U.S. Senator Aaron Sargent (R-CA) introduces Susan B. Anthony amendment for women’s suffrage; Democrat-controlled Senate defeated it 4 times before election of Republican House and Senate guaranteed its approval in 1919. Republicans foil Democratic efforts to keep women in the kitchen, where they belong

    February 8, 1894
    Democrat Congress and Democrat President Grover Cleveland join to repeal Republicans’ Enforcement Act, which had enabled African-Americans to vote

    January 15, 1901
    Republican Booker T. Washington protests Alabama Democratic Party’s refusal to permit voting by African-Americans ”

    http://www.black-and-right.com/the-democrat-race-lie/

  • Bill Hedges

    All bills should be in “”.

  • Bill Hedges

    Part 3

    Mike R racist remarks:

    1. “Of course the fact that black people vote for Democrats leaves you dumfounded. When you get all your information from the reactionary propaganda machine, many things, like the election results the other night, are going to leave you dumfounded”

    Unless you can prove you are a mind reader, you have NO IDEA where OBAMA_SUCKS gets his information. Yet you say “When you get all your information from the reactionary propaganda machine”. That’s called JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS.

    2. “You, Mr. Obama Sucks, are dumfounded that black people vote for liberals. But you’re not really dumfounded, are you? You know why they vote for liberals: “because they get a handout or a check”.”

    I did not know ONLY BLACK PEOPLE get handout or a check”. How racist OF YOU.

    Jimmy Carter & Bill Crosby said if you were against bumacare you were a racist. How absurd. I must agree with ALL THE THINGS buma wants or else I am racist ? CBO says we can not afford bumcare, therefore CBO is racist ? I was against health care change under slick willy, does that make me less racist ?

    3. “Why don’t black people vote for a party populated by people like you who consider them parasites?”

    “Parasites”- “blacks”. Did he say that OR YOU ? What a conclusions !!! You’re a sick puppy. Putting such thoughts into others with no justification. You are the worst sort of racist baiter…

  • Bill Hedges

    Part 4

    Mike R wrote:

    1. “1964 Johnson’s first civil rights bill was passed. Johnson said when he signed the bill that the Democratic Party was losing its southern wing.”

    ***** Losing “southern wing” VOTES *****

    I hate, no enjoy, bursting your bubbly:

    “May 6, 1960
    President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republicans’ Civil Rights Act of 1960, overcoming 125-hour, around-the-clock filibuster by 18 Senate Democrats

    May 2, 1963
    Republicans condemn Democrat sheriff of Birmingham, AL for arresting over 2,000 African-American schoolchildren marching for their civil rights

    September 29, 1963
    Gov. George Wallace (D-AL) defies order by U.S. District Judge Frank Johnson, appointed by President Dwight Eisenhower, to integrate Tuskegee High School

    June 9, 1964
    Republicans condemn 14-hour filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act by U.S. Senator and former Ku Klux Klansman Robert Byrd (D-WV), who still serves in the Senate

    “Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”

    June 10, 1964
    Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) criticizes Democrat filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act, calls on Democrats to stop opposing racial equality. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was introduced and approved by a staggering majority of Republicans in the Senate. The Act was opposed by most southern Democrat senators, several of whom were proud segregationists—one of them being Al Gore Sr. Democrat President Lyndon B. Johnson relied on Illinois Senator Everett Dirksen, the Republican leader from Illinois, to get the Act passed.

    August 4, 1965
    Senate Republican Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) overcomes Democrat attempts to block 1965 Voting Rights Act; 94% of Senate Republicans vote for landmark civil right legislation, while 27% of Democrats oppose. Voting Rights Act of 1965, abolishing literacy tests and other measures devised by Democrats to prevent African-Americans from voting, signed into law; higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats vote in favor”

    http://www.black-and-right.com/the-democrat-race-lie/

    2. Mike your view that racist joined Republican party DOESN’T FLY…

    “He was right. Southern conservatives, encouraged by Nixon and Reagan’s ‘southern strategy’ poured into the Republican party, and southern whites are today the core of the party”

    Being from south does not make them racist or kkk.

    About Reagan – Bush:

    “September 15, 1981
    President Ronald Reagan establishes the White House Initiative on Historically Black Colleges and Universities, to increase African-American participation in federal education programs

    June 29, 1982
    President Ronald Reagan signs 25-year extension of 1965 Voting Rights Act

    August 10, 1988
    President Ronald Reagan signs Civil Liberties Act of 1988, compensating Japanese-Americans for deprivation of civil rights and property during World War II internment ordered by FDR

    November 21, 1991
    President George H. W. Bush signs Civil Rights Act of 1991 to strengthen federal civil rights legislation”

    http://www.black-and-right.com/the-democrat-race-lie/

  • OBAMA_SUCKS

    Thank you Bill for your evidence on my points. Democrats play the race game nonstop then try to say that republicans are the ones injecting race into politics an elections. We republicans didn’t vote for Obama because he was black (Black people voted for him overwhelmingly simply because of his skin tone) we on the other hand do not agree with his policies or ideals, or his attempt to push us towards Europe. So race had little to do with my decision or many others, the only reason race came up is because the left pushes racial divides and race hate constantly, if you can not see that then you my friend need to open your eyes.

  • Bill Hedges

    iS the sort of thinking attracted to HIM…

  • Mike R

    O.S.

    You said lack people vote for Democrats,”because they get a handout or a check”. Do you believe that, or not?

  • Bones

    “We republicans didn’t vote for Obama because he was black (Black people voted for him overwhelmingly simply because of his skin tone) we on the other hand do not agree with his policies or ideals, or his attempt to push us towards Europe.”

    This is a racist statement, and wholly lacking in evidence. I just thought I’d point that out.

  • Bill Hedges

    Bones

    “NUTS”

  • Bones

    Nah. The implication is

    A) African Americans are not Republican.
    B) African Americans, none of whom are Republicans, all vote Democrat because of the color of the Democratic Candidate’s skin.

    If you don’t see how making blanket statements regarding a race of people is racist, I don’t know how to help you. That’s more or less what racism entails.

  • Mike R

    Bones

    You’re looking for rational dialogue from an irrational source.

  • Bill Hedges

    Bones

    “implication ”

    “1.The conclusion that can be drawn from something, although it is not explicitly stated.”
    2.A likely consequence of something: “political implications”.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=implication&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7ADFA_enUS465

    Your opinion of OBAMA_SUCKS statement.

    Bones wrote “A) African Americans are not Republican”

    *** WRONG ***

    OBAMA_SUCKS WROTE:

    “(Black people voted for him overwhelmingly simply because of his skin tone)”.

    WHAT was it first time 96 % ? 96 %, is not as you wrote “A) African Americans are not Republican”. 4 % ARE.

    I took logic in College.

    Mike R.

    I made a fool of you on your racial statements trying to say racist left demos to join Republican party. DON’T BE BITTER.

    You should check comments on Nates latest article…

  • OBAMA_SUCKS

    The fact that 96% of one race votes overwhemingly for a candidate of the same complexion is racist in itself! Consider the fact that under Obama black unemployment is up something like 6% more than it was under BUSH! If these people voted for him because of his policies or the fact that they were working then they are truly misinformed.

    Ok so this election 94% of african americans voted for Obama, last election was 96%, this election they made up 13% of the voting block, a large percentage. Imagine if white people were to always vote for the white candidate with a percentage like 90+, every news media would say it was racist! I understand whites make up a larger percent of the voting but still if its racist that way how is it not racist to have 95% vote for Obama!

    You think 95% of latinos would vote for someone like Marco Rubio? no…

  • Mike R

    Voting for or against anyone because of his race is dumb. People who voted for him for that reason did a dumb thing. People who voted against him for that reason did a dumb thing. Now will you answer my question? You said black people voted for Obama , “because they get a handout or a check”. Do you believe that or not?

  • Bill Hedges

    Mike R

    People do “dumb” things in mass.

    Answer my comments to you. Defend your statements that lead to my comments_racist went Republican. I provided differing proof. Where is YOUR PROOF. iS IT “Bones You’re looking for rational dialogue from an irrational source”

  • Bill Hedges

    Part 2

    Such unfounded INSULTS mIKE R…

  • OBAMA_SUCKS

    Around where I live, that is why they voted for him, yes.

  • Mike R

    How do you know that?

  • Bill Hedges

    Mike R

    How do you know racist went to Republican party ? YOU PROVED RACIST WERE demos. Sure haven’t PROVEN went Republican. Your just repeating a demo OLD WIFE’S TALE LIKE RECESSION WAS BUSH’S FAULT. You can’t prove THAT but I sure can disprove Bush caused recession. WAS CAUSED BY DEMOS.

    OBAMA_SUCKS (“Around where I live”) can speak for people he knows or told him….

  • OBAMA_SUCKS

    Hello how do I know it!? MAjority of them do not work, and do not look for jobs. They live in the inner cities in terrible housing, and never seem to want to leave. Look I am not going to go searching for numbers to make you happy it is a waste of my time. If you lived where I do you would see and read, and hear about what I do. If these major cities are anything like the rest of the major cities were Dems control the vote then my analysis to me would be correct.

  • Mike R

    Looking up the numbers would be a waste of your time? It took me less than a minute to find black employment statistics from the department of labor. I won’t bother you with them. That would be a waste of MY time. I’ve heard enough to know that.

  • Bill Hedges

    Mike R

    You ask for the numbers and expect others to do your leg work and do. I see you doing that with others as well. Start wearing long pants.

    I am not your slave. I have a wife.

    Defend your statements that lead to my comments_racist went Republican. As if you could. A demo OLD WIVES TALE. lIKE Palin & Fox caused shooter in AZ to kill & wound…

  • Mike R

    O.S.

    Sorry, I went a little off the handle there. Look, the black unemployment rate is about 13% right now. Of that 13%, just like white unemployed people, a good percentage are hunting a job. Also like whites, some are irresponsible mooches. It is a slander to accuse the majority of an entire race of being irresponsible parasites without evidence. When you make a mistake that big and that unfair, it might be time to examine your fundamental beliefs about race.

  • Bill Hedges

    Mike R

    Applies to you saying racist left demo party and joined mine. “time to examine your fundamental beliefs about race.”

    Last civil right bill was part of Republicans CONTRACT WITH AMERICA.

  • OBAMA_SUCKS

    Mike,
    I am saying by me, in these inner cities they are mooches, anyone around here knows it, plain and simple. The whole race obviously is not, but when you can get checks, free cell phones, health care and probably more from the government why work?

    I know white people make up a lot of the moochers as well, all I am stating is by me, the majority were minorities that is all! And when somehow 98-100% of a voting ward vote 100% for Obama that tells me something.

  • Mike R

    That’s not what you said. You said blacks vote for democrats because they get a handout or a check and the majority of blacks don’t work. Those statements are simply untrue, and they are slander on the vast majority of black people who work for a living just like you do. A black person coming to this site and reading those statements will be resentful and angry. Maybe you don’t care about that, but you should.

  • Bill Hedges

    People care about you saying racist left demos and went Republican. I proved racism in demos.
    PROVE went to Republican party. You keep running away from doing that but continue going after OBAMA_SUCKS. Don”t question others when you won’t answer for what you say. Is called double standard and race baiting. He clarified himself. As you have tried to do but Bob has answer for you…

  • Bill Hedges

    Part 2

    Mike R On 7th at 4:57pm wrote:

    “You seem to believe that everyone who voted for the President is a ‘taker’ who voted in hopes of getting something material.”

    “seem TO BELIEVE “. In other words NOT SAID but YOU ASSUME “that everyone who voted for the President is a ‘taker’ who voted in hopes of getting something material”

    “everyone “??? ARE YOU A MIND READER or do you just exaggerate ???

    I AM NOT INTERESTED in your assumptions of what others ***say***. You need to give DIRECT QUOTES BY OBAMA_ SUCKS. Don’t want your version of his words. Don’t forget date & time of quote so his complete comment can be read IN CONTEXT. If not from this article then give article as well…

  • Bill Hedges

    Part 3

    THOSE who live in glass houses… Know the rest ???