Again, in advance of spin exposure.

The Vice Presidential debate occurs in a somewhat conflicted context. History says they don’t really matter. However, in the moment it feels like it does matter; like it should matter.

The Democrats need a hero. From their point of view Joe has given them that tonight. Ryan has not made any mistakes in particular, but there is a charisma gap here. Ryan looks wooden, practiced too often. The facts are, of course, in dispute. An observer sends me, “Ryan is doing OK”, my response is “OK is not momentum”.

Joe, will likely not be fact checked by the mainstream. Everyone will talk to their constituencies, Democratic intensity may improve, but If this ends up being an exercise to the base, nothing changes. The fundamental problem is that Ryan needed to focus on the Obama record and he simply did not got there aggressively enough.

In the absence of the facts I’m guessing Joe had more ‘time’. Seems that way. We’re nearly to the end, and this becomes an exercise in expectations. Ryan’s closing is, in my humble opinion, on target, good close. Joe, repeats the talking points regarding the Ryan Budge cuts. Class warfare is on the agenda, no surprise.

The closing has Joe identifying the problems, without taking responsibility. We touch on the 47% again. Joe highlights the ‘level playing field’.

Ryan’s closing is focuses on jobs, “a recovery for all Americans”. How about a job creator in the White House? Ryan applies a the most basic rule of Sales and Marketing, ask for the sale. Ryan asked for the vote.

At best, a draw; maybe Joe won by bit. It’s crack for Democrats, it’s spin for Republicans.

  • Bill Hedges

    “New Gallup poll shows Mitt Romney vaulting into lead over President Obama

    Unfortunately, so far, I’ve MISSED the debate or re-play tonight. Am hearing Biden did well. I hear Biden DENIED recent oversea killings was terrorist attack, attack WAS KNOWN before occurring, & buma did NOTHONG. Source OUR OWN government. Biden DISAGREEING with State Department. *** SPIN coming out after debate that Romney IS using tragedy in politics ?!? *** Best SPIN I guess for administration. Best TRUTH would be COMPLETE DENIAL. Shows buma DID’T WANT TO go there. TOO much evidence to the contrary could BECOME public.

    Joe Biden nickname was “Amtrak Joe” for his strong support of that losing $$$ enterprise. NO WONDER Democrats can not find cuts in government spending. They are saying “Amtrak Joe” won debate tonight. His job was to FILL IN THE BLANKS left in Presidential debate which makes sense. I don’t pick & choice polls according to my political views and polls results. I’ll measure tonight’s winner by Gallup soon to be released polls…

    They say Joe was laughing, mean, rude, & condescending (saying worse in history ? The split tv screen showing it ) Post clips show it. His Death panel remarks showed it.

    Biden denies tax cuts for rich is good for middle class. Liberals ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use CBO ***estimates*** with few exceptions. Which is more correct estimates or real numbers ? Real numbers I use & they prove tax cuts for rich is GOOD FOR AMERICA. Showing the “JFK effect” of INCREASED revenue, jobs, etc…

    Folks fact checking Biden on Fox news show errors, no lies, by “Amtrak Joe”.

    Haven’t watched this full debate yet. Waiting to know who won debate according to Gallup poll numbers. DO know buma increased our debt MORE in record STYLE. Not REDUCED in half.

    Spin IS in the eyes of the beholder…

  • Bill Hedges

    “Cutter: Libya is only a campaign issue”

    “President Obama’s deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter struck again. The woman who falsely denied having anything to do with the Joe Soptic ad for Obama’s Super PAC and who conceded that the claim that Mitt Romney was pushing a $5 trillion “tax cut” wasn’t true hit a new low”

    “UPDATE (4:15 p.m.): Andrea Saul, spokeswoman for the Romney campaign released a statement, which reads: “President Obama’s campaign today said that Libya is only an issue because of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan. They’re wrong. The reason it is an issue is because, for the first time since 1979, an American ambassador was assassinated and President Obama’s foreign policy strategy of ‘leading from behind’ is failing”

  • Bill Hedges

    “‘Syrian plane carried Russian arms’”

    Friday, October 12, 2012

    “ISTANBUL: Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said on Thursday a Syrian passenger plane forced to land in Ankara was carrying Russian-made munitions destined for Syria’s armed forces, ratcheting up tension with his country’s war-torn neighbour. ”


    Ryan: every time he tried to make a point the so called “VP” Biden(looked more like a child) would cut him off almost every few words or sit there and laugh excessively or throw his head back. It was disrespectful and rude, something a vice president does not do.

    Biden: Made some good points, had substance, but was over the top again in his laughter, his smiles, and the way he conducted himself

    Moderator: Consistently let Biden shout down Ryan, she did nothing to stop him and seemed to always like cutting Ryan off when he started to get into an answer. She also liked to end the question asked whatever it may be after Biden had finished, never giving Ryan a subsequent answer to the Biden talking points. It was disgraceful the way she handled this debate, I love how the left is saying she did a great job, no way.

    Overall this debate does nothing.

  • Bill Hedges


    Do I *** EVER & completely *** agree with you. G R E A T analysis…