Capitalism Under Attack?

Should Mitt Romney be held accountable for his activities at Bain Capital? Yes!

If the contention is that his business experience is critical to future performance in the White House than business experience is fair game. On this, Newt is not wrong. The manner of accountability is, however, in question. Is it about success or the manner of it? Is it simply about ‘finding’ an issue upon which to hang Romney? Is there a philosophical issue to be engaged? Newt, as well, needs to answer for his background beyond, “I made a mistake”. Newt’s list of potential points of accountability is long and the answers have been, more often than not, unsatisfying and dismissive. At least Mitt was not in bed with Freddy Mac. But, I digress.

In the interest of context, as a businessperson, I abhor abuses by business and applaud harsh punishment for corporate executives who knowingly put profit ahead of base line expectations of integrity. Recall the Ford Pinto of the exploding gas tank, Ford knew about the problem and did not solve it, people were maimed and killed. My solution; send a half a dozen Ford executives to jail for manslaughter. That would have been the appropriate warning message to the rest of the corporate crew. The financial meltdown should have also seen a variety of ‘perp walks’, from Wall Street to Fannie and Freddy instead of multi-million dollar bonuses. Want to send a message to corporate America, throw some executives in jail, real jail! The message we have actually delivered is that politically connected corporatists escape the jeopardy you or I would be in were we to perform similarly.

While ridiculous to suggest Mitt is jail bound, he should explain: who, what, where and when. For instance, a company being ‘broken up’ for the value of its parts is no small undertaking. It is a clear signal that the company is rich in physical assets and weak in terms of its operations and marketing. When a company’s value becomes limited to its physical assets, creative destruction will ensue. Also lost in the argument is that investor profits tend to be reinvested creating a cycle of growth that is undeniable.

I’m not exercised over the necessities of venture capitalism, having faced and been a ‘victim’ of ‘investors’ more than once. Decades spent in business leads to an insight; it’s not just what you do, it’s how you do it! How did Bain go about doing whatever it may have been they did? Mitt says he’s proud of his time at Bain; that being the case it should be defensible. No one, to best knowledge, accused Romney of immorality.

By answering fully, now Romney has the opportunity to kill the issue for the general election. Failure to do so raises more questions, creating perceptions that may or may not be valid. Better to validate facts than to gamble on perception.

Creative destruction is simply the circumstance where markets change and firms don’t or can’t change to meet the market. The classic example is buggy whip makers facing the onset of the automobile. Perhaps some of them began producing seats for the new car industry; many simply would not or could not accept the change to come. They found new jobs, or they found new enterprises to engage in. The demand, or lack thereof, in the market left them no choice.

A question of logic surrounds the challenge to Bain. Should there have been no failures, no breakups and no profit taking? Should everyone have gotten a first place trophy regardless of performance? That line of reasoning is distinctly liberal and inherently illogical. No one bats a thousand!

  • D.D.Mao

    “Newt’s list of potential points of accountability is long and the answers have been,more often than not,unsatisfying and dismissive.At least Mitt was not in bed with Freddy Mac.”
    Landreaux “Capitalism under Attack” 12 January 2012

    Landreaux:
    I’m awaiting your report on this with heightened anticipation

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    What was Newt’s wrong doing concerning Feddy Mac ?

  • D.D.Mao

    Bill:

    Well first of all you should be asking Landreaux this question since he is the one who made the statement.However from what I read and from what I’m sure he will have to answer to if he gets the nomination he received a substantial amount of money from Freddy Mac for advisory services.

    As Landreaux said his answers so far have been unsatisfying and dismissive…….except to the 9% who find him trustworthy.

  • Bill Hedges

    “received a substantial amount of money from Freddy Mac for advisory services” is not wrong doing.

    As far as the “9% who find him trustworthy” so WHAT ! Most Americans think raising taxes on rich will generate more revenue. Not true. Newt balanced budget, surplus, decreased taxes increasing revenue more than Bill C. tax increases, reformed welfare, and passed last civil rights bill through CONTRACT WITH AMERICA and working with Democrats. That’s what we need in next President. Polls change.

    At liberal site no liberals has tied Newt to wrong doing at Freddy Mac. Accusations yes. Ethic committee found nothing but minor errors after year long investigation. I don’t like witch hunts. Newt admitted to one affair. No one to my knowledge has proved more. IKE had a affair, FDR, and need I mention the Kennedys and Bill C. Affairs don’t end all politicllly ambitions.

    http://expertscolumn.com/content/secret-love-affair-dwight-eishenower

    http://expertscolumn.com/content/secret-love-affair-dwight-eishenower

    By the way NO PROOF of Cain’s womanizing. Several woman had ties to WH & Chicago. All stopped when he dropped out. Churchill kicked out by way of party losing. Normally conquering heros reign like IKE.

    Newt’s leaving:

    “Republicans lost five seats in the House in the 1998 elections—the worst midterm performance in 64 years for a party that didn’t hold the presidency. Polls showed that Gingrich and the Republican Party’s attempt to remove President Clinton from office was deeply unpopular among voters.[71] Gingrich suffered much of the blame for the election loss. Facing a rebellion in the Republican caucus, he announced on November 5, 1998, that he would not only stand down as Speaker, but would leave the House as well.”[72]

    “Gingrich made this announcement only a day after being elected to an 11th term from his district. Commenting on his departure, Gingrich said, “I’m willing to lead but I’m not willing to preside over people who are cannibals. My only fear would be that if I tried to stay, it would just overshadow whoever my successor is.”[73]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich

  • Bill,

    It is a long list from ethics fines to support for Cap and Trade. But the real answer is if the ‘optics’ of Romney’s association with Bain are a negative than the ‘optics’ of Newt’s associations could easily be viewed as a more significant set of negative ‘optics’. Love Newt for many of his ideas but it’s always been a case of temperment and dicipline.

    Also, if, as many contend, Romney is not conservative enough why attack him from the left? Should the attack not be from the right? Just saying!

  • D.D.Mao

    Bill:

    I dislike witch hunts also but as Landreaux pointed out Mr.Gingrich is going to be perceived as having a significant hand in Fanny Mac’s tumble.The opposition doesn’t have to prove a thing just make accusations and let Mr.Gingrich play defense day after day.So far his defense is poor AND 9% ISN’T GOING TO GET YOU ELECTED THATS SO WHAT!

    AGAIN YES AFFAIRS DON’T END POLITICAL AMBITIONS BUT AS MR.CAIN FOUND OUT YOU DON’T NEED ADDITIONAL B.S. TO WADE THROUGH WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO WIN VOTES.The affairs you referred to by past presidents were kepted hushed up at the time they ran or in the case of President Eisenhower and Roosevelt were only speculated years afterward.That is why President Eisenhower “reigned” as you put it.

    As I’m sure you know when a party wins an election they get to elect a person to head the party in Britian just as in America.Britian decided to go Liberal after the war by electing Labor and enacting more government control over just about everything including healthcare.It’s not a slight on Mr. Churchill but a decision by the people to take another direction.

    You can refer to wikipeda all you want but that is written by anyone who can type……including the 9%.As you state in your above post “Polls show that Mr.Gingrich and the Republican party attempt to remove President Clinton from office were deeply unpopular among voters.” Therefore my arguement that HE IS HELD IN A POOR LIGHT BY VOTERS NOT ONLY THEN BUT TODAY holds water.In the other issues why do you think he not only resigned as Speaker but from office right after being re-elected but because his reputation was tarnished BY HIS MARITAL SCANDEL.He then cheated on wife number two with the woman he made wife number three.Again in your rewriting history he didn’t balance any budget more than President Clinton did but it was due to cutting the Defense budget after the Cold War and the Tech bubble in the economy.Unless the 9% wants a patron saint of angry self destructing politicians Mr. Gingrich’s shouldn’t be tolerated by the party and he should stick to working with his avisory group.

    As you said I’m not out to change opinions but mearly to state facts.

  • D.D.Mao

    Bill:

    By the way the link you gave “expertscolumn” are hardly experts if they can’t even spell Eisenhower correctly.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    I found it petty saying “can’t even spell Eisenhower correctly”. Prove their facts wrong then you have something. I’ll stay away from site for awhile. Am disappointed…
    _____

    Landreaux _ I rarely attack Mitt. Newt accomplished what America needs today.

    “Ethics fines”. I expected much more from you. In “Mitt Needed Newt” I wrote:

    “I know how Newt’s past can be twisted and harm Newt. Ethic charges were all dropped but one which was double. They were left for court to decide yet Newt was charged $$$ 300,000. Court rules in IRS related class teaching for Newt. After year long conflict was really about Bill C. impeachment and formal Speaker. Newt’s only crime was several minor points which he admitted.”

    As you may remember, I am full of links. Few times do I just say things without having links. I do here, at times, because this is conservative friendly territory. But site seems anti-Newt:

    “The House ethics subcommittee declared today that Speaker Newt Gingrich’s misuse of tax-exempt funds for a politically tinged college course reflected a pattern of years of ”disregard and lack of respect for the standards of conduct” a Congressman should follow.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/1997/01/18/us/panel-citing-pattern-of-ethics-flaws-seeks-a-gingrich-reprimand.html?pagewanted=all

    “Newt Gingrich and the Ridiculous “Ethics Violations” Penalty”

    “House Speaker Newt Gingrich, saying he is “a person of limited means,” is paying the $300,000 ethics penalty with a loan from 1996 Republican presidential candidate Bob Dole.”

    “And the Democrats are whining about it. Why?”

    “First of all, what exactly were the charges against Newt? David Bonior brought 75 charges against Newt – and 74 of them were found to have NO MERIT WHATSOEVER. The last charge, whether Newt funded his college class “Renewing American Civilization” properly, was too complicated a tax issue for the committee to investigate on its own, so they brought in an outside tax expert to investigate. Two charges arose out of this investigation.”

    “The first ‘charge’ from the ethics committee is that he “may have” violated tax law by using tax-deductible contributions from nonprofit organizations to teach an allegedly partisan college course.”

    “The lectures never mentioned the words “Republicans” or “Democrats,” and one entire session was spent praising FDR. Is that “partisan?” Not only has a former commissioner of the IRS has come forward and said that no tax laws were violated, but an Ethics Committee lawyer even gave approval for the class before Newt started it.”

    “The second ‘charge’ from the committee is that, in the course of the investigation, Newt provided false information to the committee. Do you know what this “false information” is”

    “Newt testified that the above contributions were in fact made by those organizations to “Renewing American Civilization.” He filed papers that stated the very same thing. This is never a fact that anyone was trying to hide. But one paper filed with the committee stated that those groups did not make the contributions. So is this a big deal? Is this “lying to Congress?”

    “What’s funny is that the Ethics Committee itself approved the course Newt taught, the same course that started this whole “ethics violation” farce. Newt wasn’t even paid for the course. In any case, I am not getting into all the details of the whole ethics violation mess, and the incredible double standard shown, since that would warrant a separate web site. I just find it odd that the Ethics Committee turned around and slammed Newt with a $300,000 penalty for something that they had approved! In addition, if a reprimand was enough “punishment” for Barney Frank, who was charged by the same committee with fixing 30 parking tickets, and writing a misleading probation letter on behalf of child pornographer, cocaine dealer, male prostitute and lover Steven Gobie, why is Newt getting slammed with such a harsher penalty?”

    “The only reason that Rep. David Bonior and other Democrats filed 75 ethics charges against Speaker Gingrich in the first place is because Newt filed and forced former Democrat Speaker Jim Wright to resign in 1988. The whole ethics violation farce was about nothing but revenge. Bonior and the Dems. wanted revenge for Jim Wright and for losing the House in 1994 and 1996.”

    “Don’t the Democrats have anything better to do?”

    “In any case, I digress. Despite the unfairness of the whole ethics situation, (I can’t believe people are worried about Newt’s ethics when Bill Clinton is running the country) Newt bears full responsibility for these “ethics violations.” He could have legally used campaign funds or a defense trust fund to pay the ethics penalty or sued the lawyers who he said misled him into what he calls a technical ethics violation. He has the legal right to do any of those things. But did he? No. Gingrich said he and his wife decided he had “a moral obligation to pay the $300,000 out of personal funds.” So, he took out an 8 year loan at prime plus 1.5 – which is about 10% interest. By taking out this type of loan from Dole, not only would he be relieving the taxpayers of paying for the penalty fine, but Newt would then not be beholden to any bank, lending institute, etc. Thus, he wouldn’t have to worry about conflicts every time a banking issue came before him.”

    “By the way, can anyone imagine Bill Clinton paying out of his own pocket because he felt a “moral obligation?”

    “This sounds pretty reasonable, right? Not according to some people. You should hear the moaning groaning and whining from the Left! It’s really embarrassing. They say that Dole is a lobbyist for the tobacco companies so Newt is now getting the money from tobacco companies for favors in the ongoing battle to stop legislation against tobacco firms. (talk about twisted rationale – how long does it take the Dems to come up with these things?) Newt can’t win!”

    “It’s pretty obvious that the Democrats are upset and whining because Newt wasn’t beaten, and has come back in spite of the campaign to discredit him and remove him from power.”

    “Remember, Newt COULD have legally taken the money out of campaign funds or legal defense funds, like our wonderful president did for his sexual harassment suit! But Newt, having moral character, is taking this obscene and ridiculous amount of money out of personal funds. Yet, out of apparent desperation, the Left is still whining, and is scrambling to try and tie Republicans with the tobacco industry. But let us not forget who was selling and MAKING MONEY off the tobacco industry not that many years ago – Al Gore!”

    “It also seems strange that Democrats blasted Newt for taking Dole’s loan, and are now calling Dole a tobacco lobbyist – – Yes, Dole works for a law firm which represents tobacco companies. However, just sit back and think a minute. If we are to judge Dole by the law firms’ other clients, clients that Dole is not associated with, then it’s only fair that we judge all people by their lawyer’s other clients. I wonder how many people would be happy about that? Do YOU know all the clients your lawyer represents??”

    “In any case, let’s look at who is representing the tobacco company in the law firm. The representers are Ann Richards (former governor of Texas) and George Mitchell (former Senator) – both DEMOCRATS!!!”

    “The Democrats just always need something to whine about, don’t they?”

    http://www.gargaro.com/newtmoney.html

    _________________

    D.D.Mao

    Newt did not lobby for Fanny Mac and I have yet heard a single problem for Newt in that involvement. I seem to recall you associated Cain with womanizing. There is no proof of that. There is proof of obuma using illegal drugs in book he wrote. He was elected. There is proof Teddy car wreack killed pregnant woman. He was re-elected.As I said 9% poll can go up & down. Newt awhile back was considered dead in campaign.

    You wrote “Eisenhower and Roosevelt were only speculated years afterward”. Cain was speculation. Reason I brought those two up. You did not seem to be speculating concerning Cain. Teddy, in my eyes, got away with murder and was re-elected. Garry Heart challenged News media. To me HE GOT WHAT HE DESERVED. Not Newt. Not Cain.

    We shall continue to disagree about Churchill. We both have expressed our views.

    Newt stepped down day after being re-elected. That is not “HELD IN A POOR LIGHT BY VOTERS ” Was it $$$ 32 million campaign that lowered Newt’s far lead in poll ? That HIGH LEAD is electability. Mother Teresa polls would drop with such a attack. Question is can Newt take off the glove and recover & win. I hope but have NO IDEA. HE HAS THE RECORD OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS WE NEED IN WH.

    **************

    “Again in your rewriting history he didn’t balance any budget more than President Clinton did but it was due to cutting the Defense budget after the Cold War and the Tech bubble in the economy”

    “No, Bill Clinton Didn’t Balance the Budget”

    “And 1993 — the year of the giant Clinton tax hike — was not the turning point in the deficit wars, either. In fact, in 1995, two years after that tax hike, the budget baseline submitted by the president’s own Office of Management and Budget and the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicted $200 billion deficits for as far as the eye could see. The figure shows the Clinton deficit baseline. What changed this bleak outlook?”

    “Newt Gingrich and company — for all their faults — have received virtually no credit for balancing the budget. Yet today’s surplus is, in part, a byproduct of the GOP’s single-minded crusade to end 30 years of red ink. Arguably, Gingrich’s finest hour as Speaker came in March 1995 when he rallied the entire Republican House caucus behind the idea of eliminating the deficit within seven years”

    Concerning my “rewriting history ” and Newt “didn’t balance any budget more than President Clinton”, check chart in my link and read the link.

    http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5656

    You wrote “The opposition doesn’t have to prove a thing just make accusations and let Mr.Gingrich play defense day after day.So far his defense is poor AND 9% ISN’T GOING TO GET YOU ELECTED THATS SO WHAT!”

    Mother Teresa would be called a whore if she lead Republican candidates. Newt took the gloves off and he will defend himself. obuma has little record to run on. Newt has MUCH.

    I would not let a liberal get away with “You can refer to wikipeda all you want but that is written by anyone who can type……” Will not let you either. Liberals will dismiss my Heritage and American Thinker because they are conservative. What in wikipeda I used can you disprove ?

    Newt got re-elected with “MARITAL SCANDEL” known. Was it 5 seats lost mention in wikipeda ?

    “Unless the 9% wants a patron saint of angry self destructing politicians ” is colorful but still Newt accomplished getting both sides to work together and got Bill C. to sign balanced budget, surplus, welfare reform, smaller government, lower taxes, etc… Newt reduced cost, stopped Bill C. expansion of government, and lead to first balanced budget. None before NEWT.

  • Bill Hedges

    Landreaux

    Wrote “Also, if, as many contend, Romney is not conservative enough why attack him from the left? Should the attack not be from the right? Just saying!

    I disagree. Believe is normal venting. Placing the candidate on dart board and seeing who survives. Does the holes made give candidate ability to hold water. We want candidate tried, tested, and lives. Throwing soft balls on our side doesn’t prepare for hard ball in main event.

    Maybe we will elect a non-conservative. Maybe Mitt is conservative. Time in now to know & to know if we want. Not when up against buma…

  • Landreaux

    Bill,

    I’ll say this as a former long time Massachusetts resident with relatives (very conservative relatives)still there. It’s very tough to be a conservative there. I agree with you normal vetting is appropriate for all, problem is the MSM does not do normal vetting anymore and I think you’ll agree Obama got away with political murder in terms of vetting. But vetting is somewhat putting folks on a dartboard and what we’re seeing now is proof enough I believe. I like the process, I like to see how people hold up under pressure, I like to see them stressed and observe how they react. No more pressurized job in the world beyoud the American Presidency.

    I’ll say this for all of the candidates save Mr. Paul. I’ll take any one of them over Mr. Obama. I’m pretty sure you will too. We fight for who we think is best and then we get together to insure a “Carter Presidency” for Mr. Obama.

  • D.D.Mao

    Bill:

    “As I said 9% poll can go up and down. Newt awhile back was considered dead in the campaign.”I’ve got news for you HE’S STILL POLLING 9% IN THE LAST PRIMARY AND RIGHT NOW HE IS ON LIFE SUPPORT.It must be the same 9% who deem him trustworthy.Obviously the liberal left don’t even consider Mr.Gingrich much of a threat thus far because they aren’t attacking him.

    Yes Mr. Cains womanizing was “speculation” HOWEVER THE KEY WORDS HERE WAS PRESIDENT EISENHOWER AND ROOSEVELT WAS SPECULATED “YEARS LATER” NOT WHEN THEY WERE RUNNING.I nver said Mr. Cain was guilty of womanizing only that it done him in.

    Yes Mr. Gingrich will be forced to take the gloves off and defend himself if nominated because so far he hasn’t said squat.HE HASN’T RECEIVED ANY CREDIT FOR BALANCING THE BUDGET BECAUSE HE DOESN’T DESERVE ANY CREDIT AND WHERE EXACTLY IS “TODAYS SURPLUS” YOU MENTION.And you are right he does have much to defend and if nominated he can be sure the liberal left will make him defend every last one of them.

    What in wikipedia did you use that I can disprove? I think I made it pretty clear that wikipedia is written by anyone and everyone. The views stated are just that views and I can not rely on opinions as fact.

    After reading your last paragraph I could have sworn I heard arch angels singing. Please you have Mr. Gingrich doing everything but curing cancer.He got a Republican majority elected in the House in 1994 and accomplished welfare reform and proposing the Contract with America before he went ballistic with his morals impeachment crusade and thus falling out in the publics eye a few years after the 94 election.If his Conservative record is as great as you say it is why didn’t he run for President sooner than 2012? No we had to beg a BIG GOVERNMENT CONSERVATIVE TO RUN against Mr.Gore.You know the one who helped achieve “todays surplus is a byproduct of the GOP’s single minded crusade to end 30 years of red ink”.

    Unlike Progressives we Conservatives look at the whole picture. No……this site isn’t “anti-Newt” as you wrote but we can not back a candidate who we aren’t comfortable with and have to spend more time defending his blemishes than his accomplishments either.Mr Romney fits this definition also.I truly hope you don’t stay away from the sight because we may have our differences but we respect each others opinion.

    Bob

  • D.D.Mao

    Ten Questions That Need Answering By Mr.Gingrich:

    1) Between the Republican revolution election in 1994 and the swearing in Mr. Gingrich got himself a $4.5 million book deal and possible ethics violation that backfired so bad he forswear his advance.What were you thinking?

    2)Why did he oppose the 2006 “surge” that turned around the Iraq war?

    3)Why did he join forces with Nancy Pelosi on climate change?

    4)Why did he join forces with the NAACP on prison reform?

    5) Why did he join forces with Al Sharpton on education?

    6)Why was he one of the few Conservatives who backed President George W. Bush on expansion of Medicare.

    7) Why do you continue to back ethanol subsidies?

    8) Why did you tear into Rep.Paul Ryans budget proposal last April?

    9) What were you thinking when you brought the GOP revolution to an end only nine months into it with the October 1995 government shutdown?

    10) AND LASTLY: HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY YOUR STANCE ON STATING AS PRESIDENT YOU WOULD IGNORE THE SUPREME COURT DECISIONS THAT CONFLICTED WITH YOUR IDEAS,IMPEACH JUDGES OR EVEN ABOLISH CERTAIN COURTS IF HE DISAGREED WITH THEIR RULINGS?

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D. Mao

    In “Mitt Needed Newt” D.D.Mao Jan 13th, 2012 at 12:54 am wrote “A BETTER QUESTION TO ASK IS….Why should Mr. Gingrich get a pass when Mr. Herman Cain paid the price for his womanizing?”

    D.D. Mao this does not sound like your latest explanation. D.D.Mao Jan 13th, 2012 at 4:32 pm:

    “Yes Mr. Cains womanizing was “speculation” HOWEVER THE KEY WORDS HERE WAS PRESIDENT EISENHOWER AND ROOSEVELT WAS SPECULATED “YEARS LATER” NOT WHEN THEY WERE RUNNING.I nver said Mr. Cain was guilty of womanizing only that it done him in”

    This is not a answer. Not disproving. Is liberal answer to Heritage and American Thinker:

    “What in wikipedia did you use that I can disprove? I think I made it pretty clear that wikipedia is written by anyone and everyone. The views stated are just that views and I can not rely on opinions as fact”

    I proved my points to my satisfaction. Guess “arch angels singing” is appropriate. I look at the “whole picture”. So once he cheated on his wife. So he had 3 wives. So he was cleared of ethic charges. As I proved he balanced budget, welfare reform and many of the points found in CONTRACT WITH AMERICA. I have read his 2012 version. 9 % trustworthy is dynamic. Time will tell its finial status.

    I disagreed with many conservatives here concerning TARP long ago. I was for. AIG has not paid back. Fanny & Freddie NEVER WILL some say. Not counting F/F, high interest was charged and believe profit was made by government.

    I made it clear why I will give it a rest here. Not angry and I can take the heat. I stand on a principle. The process will pick our choice. I wanted a Cain-Newt ticket and never really picked the head. Ron Paul would have gotten my smallest check mark. I am not a religious TEA member. Cheating does not disqualify my choice. Lying does. I don’t care if a physical fight occurs in the halls. As long as they achieve good things for my Nation. NEWT DID. I gave my proof..

    Be back end of this month or maybe sometime next month. Will continue the fight with the liberals…

  • D.D.Mao

    Bill:

    Upon rereading what I have wrote you are correct it does sound like I accused Mr.Cain of womanizing BUT as you said about another issue THATS PETTY. The initial facts remain Mr.Cain paid the price and Mr.Gingrich gets a pass. In one of your previous post you said Gary Hart tried to pull a fast one on the press with his cheating and got caught and you are glad he did.Obviously to you as long as he has an(R)after his name the arch angels will sing.

    I’m glad you satisfied yourself but as far as wikipedia is concerned it’s not proof.Wikipedia to me is you can give the internet an extensive search to prove your point and if you don’t find one you simply can go to wikipedia and write your own.Wikipedia is 25% fact and 75% opinion.

    “Be back end of this month or maybe sometime next month.”
    Bill Hedges

    Those “10 questions that need anwersing by Mr. Gingrich”(post by D.D.Mao 13th January 2012 @ 6:11PM) you avoided will be waiting for you when you return.

  • Bill Hedges

    “Obviously to you as long as he has an(R)after his name the arch angels will sing”

    You draw me back with that. I quoted you exactly and made my point that you LIED or needed to cover up. You do not give me the same courtesy OF MY EXACT QUOTE but add a insult upon my name. Un-earned insult I might/do add.

    (R) had nothing to do with it. Hart DARED the news media. Find my quote and check it out. IF YOU WISH.

    Pity is losing Cain as a candidate. Same for FEW SLIT SECOND loss of memory destroying Perry. Accusations stopped Sarah as I see it.

    If you had answered my points as I wrote them I would be inclined to answer your 10 points now. You didn’t. Somehow I missed that comment of yours at that time. You wrote 2 comments one after another while I was writing response to your first comment. Missed 2nd comment. ___“Avoided” NOT !!!!!!!!!___ You think too highly of yourself.

    Wikipedia you should have disproved SOMETHING and then you could have said SEE MY POINT. Liberals will automatically dismiss Heritage and American Thinker quotes. I DON’T LIKE THAT. HAD YOU PROVED SOMETHING FROM Wikipedia WRONG there are many other sources. Frankly you rubbed me the wrong way.

    Newt admitted to a affair. Newt admitted to minor errors to ethic committee. Newt was re-elected and stepped down. Newt through Contract with America did a first under Clinton and balanced the budget and first to have surplus under Clinton. Voter gave Newt another term knowing his marital situation. They chose to give no punishment. He did his JOB. This UPSETS YOU ???

    I AM FOR Newt as President. That’s one vote. You can chose to never vote for a man that cheated on his wife if you wish. I find that short sided. Reminds me of Abe Lincoln quote I use often. Give all my Generals the booze Grant drinks. He gets the job done.

    I doubt I will be back. WHO KNOWS… Wrongly accusing me won’t bring me back again like it did this time…

  • Bill Hedges

    Part 2

    “Capitalism Under Attack?” Bill Hedges Jan 13th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    I wrote:

    “Garry Heart challenged News media. To me HE GOT WHAT HE DESERVED. Not Newt. Not Cain.”

    You paraphrase me and your conclusion was WAY OFF BASE INSULT with no substance to jump to such a remark:

    “In one of your previous post you said Gary Hart tried to pull a fast one on the press with his cheating and got caught and you are glad he did.Obviously to you as long as he has an(R)after his name the arch angels will sing.”

    No “Obviously” about it…

    You can’t READ MY MIND ? NEWT admitted his cheating. Cain denied he cheated and no conclusive proof he cheated. Hart said PROVE HE IS CHEATING AND they did. Tell me what “(R)” has to do with ANYTHING ??? YOU unjustly insult me. Hart denied cheating and got caught. No comparision to Newt or Cain. Hart lied. I don’t like liars.

    Two errors. That’s being ultra-conservative at that. But I don’t want to spend the time documenting more.

    I want retribution of sorts for this latest mean spirited remark of yours __ Deserve apology __. You were way out of line….

  • Bill Hedges

    Part 3

    You should of followed your own advice:

    “Lets step back take a breath and get all the information before we release our self rightous but ill conceived attack (IE:Duke lacrosse team)”

  • D.D.Mao

    Bill:

    I think you’re the one who step back and take a deep breath.If what I wrote offends you then you have a very thin skin.Vetting a candidate isn’t mean spirited.NOT VETTING THEM MEANS WE GET THE SAME MISTAKE WE HAVE IN OFFICE NOW.

    I LIED? I admitted what i wrote was misleading and you were right about no proof Mr. Cain cheated.IF YOU CUT THROUGH YOU’RE LAWYER GIBBERISH YOU WILL SEE THE INITIAL POINT I WAS MAKING WAS MR. CAIN PAID THE PRICE AND MR GINGRICH DIDN’T.To you it seems Mr. Hart only deserved what he got because he “challenged the news media”.

    As far as wikipedia is concerned you can believe it and take it as gospel but that doesn’t mean everyone else does.

    You’re pompous outrage of ” I want retribution”……”unjustly insult me”….”wrongly accused”….”rubbed me the wrong way”….”deserve apology” sounds like you are going to send your second over and challenge me to a duel.Lets get beyond Mr.Gingrich loose zipper and concentrate on some of the issues such as the 10 I LISTED OR JUST WHAT HE DID FOR THIS FANNY MAC ADVISORY FEE.Iknow it doesn’t matter to you but knowing what you are buying DOES TO MOST OF US.

  • Bill Hedges

    You have ability to draw me back. You do not want this “lawyer” here.

    1. “I think you’re the one who step back and take a deep breath”

    Why. I justified my position. YOU jumped to conclusion Part 3 quote by you was devastating for you.

    2. “If what I wrote offends you then you have a very thin skin”

    Go to liberal web site. See how thin skinned I am:

    http://www.usnews.com/opinion

    You lied about Cain. Then re-wrote when confronted. Then make accusation of_(R)_.

    Not the only example given by me. Fair & balanced not. Excuses.

    3. “Vetting a candidate isn’t mean spirited”

    That is true. HONEST “VENTING”. I proved you dishonest as you say “venting”. I documented.

    4. “IF YOU CUT THROUGH YOU’RE LAWYER GIBBERISH YOU WILL SEE THE INITIAL POINT I WAS MAKING WAS MR. CAIN PAID THE PRICE AND MR GINGRICH DIDN’T.”

    More insult __”LAWYER GIBBERISH” __ . Perhaps you want me to return fire and lower to your level ?

    Newt admitted guilt. Can re-read my part 1, 2, & 3. It’s there I believe. Further more he unjustly paid $$$ 300,000 fine concerning IRS issue on classes taught by Newt. For charges court ruled him innocent of. I believe I quoted a source that explained that.

    “MR. CAIN PAID THE PRICE” for leading in polls, being a black Republican maybe, etc. He wrongly “PAID THE PRICE” for unproven charges ? Newt unjustly paid as well loosing his lead.

    “MR GINGRICH DIDN’T”. Not clear proper answer I should give to YOUR meaning. Cain was falsely accused and left race. Newt admitted cheating and did not drop out. Is this your pont ? “Loose zipper”. Voters will decide. You can not vote for Newt. That is his punishment. Still the quote attributed to Abe Lincoln I find relevant concerning booze and US Grant. But substituting in “cheating”.

    5. “To you it seems Mr. Hart only deserved what he got because he “challenged the news media”

    BAD para-phasing or interpretation of my remarks. TRY QUOTING ME EXACTLY. That looses your THUNDER DOESN’T IT. Read with comprehension what I wrote not with your mind set interpretation of my comment:

    As I previously wrote:

    “Tell me what “(R)” has to do with ANYTHING ??? YOU unjustly insult me. Hart denied cheating and got caught. No comparison to Newt or Cain. Hart lied. I don’t like liars”

    _____“HART LIED”_ Get it !!!!!!!_____

    6. “As far as wikipedia is concerned you can believe it and take it as gospel but that doesn’t mean everyone else does”

    Agan twisting my words. Read with comprehension what I write not your interpretation. Speaking for others giving IMPORTANTS to what you say.

    As I previously wrote:

    “Wikipedia you should have disproved SOMETHING and then you could have said SEE MY POINT. Liberals will automatically dismiss Heritage and American Thinker quotes. I DON’T LIKE THAT. HAD YOU PROVED SOMETHING FROM Wikipedia WRONG there are many other sources. Frankly you rubbed me the wrong way”

    7. “You’re pompous outrage of ” I want retribution”……”unjustly insult me”….”wrongly accused”….”rubbed me the wrong way”….”deserve apology” sounds like you are going to send your second over and challenge me to a duel”

    “Pompous”. Who ???

    8. “Lets get beyond Mr.Gingrich loose zipper and concentrate on some of the issues such as the 10 I LISTED OR JUST WHAT HE DID FOR THIS FANNY MAC ADVISORY FEE.Iknow it doesn’t matter to you but knowing what you are buying DOES TO MOST OF US”

    “Doesn’t matter to you”. Who is “Pompous” ??????????????

    I previously wrote:

    “If you had answered my points as I wrote them I would be inclined to answer your 10 points now. You didn’t. Somehow I missed that comment of yours at that time. You wrote 2 comments one after another while I was writing response to your first comment. Missed 2nd comment. ___“Avoided” NOT !!!!!!!!!___ You think too highly of yourself”

  • D.D.Mao

    Bill:

    The only thing you “PROVED” was you are great at cut and pasteing.At least I hope it’s cut and pasting because no one should have to repeat himself that often.Talk about someone who thinks too highly of himself!

    When you are finished trying to bore us with your dog chasing his tail arguements the questions on the issues that matter that you are conviently avoiding will be waiting for an explanation.

    Till Then……..D.D.M.

  • D.D.Mao

    Bill:

    “You can not vote for Newt”..Bill Hedges 15 January @ 7:28PM

    You are absolutely right I CAN’T VOTE FOR MR.GINGRICH! You know why? Because Mr.Gingrich along with Gov.Rick Perry,former Sen.Rick Santorum,and former Gov.Jon Huntsman were either not bright enough to get the required amount of signatures to get on the ballot,forged 1500 signatures or were to cheap to hire a firm to get the signatures.A Federal judge ruled Friday that their request was denied to add their names to the Virginia primary March 6th.

    THATS HOW BRIGHT THE LEADERS OF YOUR REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE!

  • Bill Hedges

    ok

    Question:

    “WHAT HE DID FOR THIS FANNY MAC ADVISORY FEE.”

    Answer:

    What the contract called for.

    Can’t you find dirt on Newt yourself ? Ethic committee could not after 2 year try…

  • Bill Hedges

    Landreaux_ I saved my favorite link for last. MIGHT answer your “It is a long list from ethics fines to support for Cap and Trade”

    I know of only one ethic fine of $$$ 300,000:

    1. “The House ethics subcommittee declared today that Speaker Newt Gingrich’s misuse of tax-exempt funds for a politically tinged college course reflected a pattern of years of ”disregard and lack of respect for the standards of conduct” a Congressman should follow.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/19…..wanted=all

    2. “Newt Gingrich and the Ridiculous “Ethics Violations” Penalty”

    “House Speaker Newt Gingrich, saying he is “a person of limited means,” is paying the $300,000 ethics penalty with a loan from 1996 Republican presidential candidate Bob Dole.”

    “And the Democrats are whining about it. Why?”

    “First of all, what exactly were the charges against Newt? David Bonior brought 75 charges against Newt – and 74 of them were found to have NO MERIT WHATSOEVER. The last charge, whether Newt funded his college class “Renewing American Civilization” properly, was too complicated a tax issue for the committee to investigate on its own, so they brought in an outside tax expert to investigate. Two charges arose out of this investigation.”

    “The first ‘charge’ from the ethics committee is that he “may have” violated tax law by using tax-deductible contributions from nonprofit organizations to teach an allegedly partisan college course.”

    “The lectures never mentioned the words “Republicans” or “Democrats,” and one entire session was spent praising FDR. Is that “partisan?” Not only has a former commissioner of the IRS has come forward and said that no tax laws were violated, but an Ethics Committee lawyer even gave approval for the class before Newt started it.”

    “The second ‘charge’ from the committee is that, in the course of the investigation, Newt provided false information to the committee. Do you know what this “false information” is”

    “Newt testified that the above contributions were in fact made by those organizations to “Renewing American Civilization.” He filed papers that stated the very same thing. This is never a fact that anyone was trying to hide. But one paper filed with the committee stated that those groups did not make the contributions. So is this a big deal? Is this “lying to Congress?”

    “What’s funny is that the Ethics Committee itself approved the course Newt taught, the same course that started this whole “ethics violation” farce. Newt wasn’t even paid for the course. In any case, I am not getting into all the details of the whole ethics violation mess, and the incredible double standard shown, since that would warrant a separate web site. I just find it odd that the Ethics Committee turned around and slammed Newt with a $300,000 penalty for something that they had approved! In addition, if a reprimand was enough “punishment” for Barney Frank, who was charged by the same committee with fixing 30 parking tickets, and writing a misleading probation letter on behalf of child pornographer, cocaine dealer, male prostitute and lover Steven Gobie, why is Newt getting slammed with such a harsher penalty?”

    “The only reason that Rep. David Bonior and other Democrats filed 75 ethics charges against Speaker Gingrich in the first place is because Newt filed and forced former Democrat Speaker Jim Wright to resign in 1988. The whole ethics violation farce was about nothing but revenge. Bonior and the Dems. wanted revenge for Jim Wright and for losing the House in 1994 and 1996.”

    “Don’t the Democrats have anything better to do?”

    “In any case, I digress. Despite the unfairness of the whole ethics situation, (I can’t believe people are worried about Newt’s ethics when Bill Clinton is running the country) Newt bears full responsibility for these “ethics violations.” He could have legally used campaign funds or a defense trust fund to pay the ethics penalty or sued the lawyers who he said misled him into what he calls a technical ethics violation. He has the legal right to do any of those things. But did he? No. Gingrich said he and his wife decided he had “a moral obligation to pay the $300,000 out of personal funds.” So, he took out an 8 year loan at prime plus 1.5 – which is about 10% interest. By taking out this type of loan from Dole, not only would he be relieving the taxpayers of paying for the penalty fine, but Newt would then not be beholden to any bank, lending institute, etc. Thus, he wouldn’t have to worry about conflicts every time a banking issue came before him.”

    “By the way, can anyone imagine Bill Clinton paying out of his own pocket because he felt a “moral obligation?”

    “This sounds pretty reasonable, right? Not according to some people. You should hear the moaning groaning and whining from the Left! It’s really embarrassing. They say that Dole is a lobbyist for the tobacco companies so Newt is now getting the money from tobacco companies for favors in the ongoing battle to stop legislation against tobacco firms. (talk about twisted rationale – how long does it take the Dems to come up with these things?) Newt can’t win!”

    “It’s pretty obvious that the Democrats are upset and whining because Newt wasn’t beaten, and has come back in spite of the campaign to discredit him and remove him from power.”

    “Remember, Newt COULD have legally taken the money out of campaign funds or legal defense funds, like our wonderful president did for his sexual harassment suit! But Newt, having moral character, is taking this obscene and ridiculous amount of money out of personal funds. Yet, out of apparent desperation, the Left is still whining, and is scrambling to try and tie Republicans with the tobacco industry. But let us not forget who was selling and MAKING MONEY off the tobacco industry not that many years ago – Al Gore!”

    “It also seems strange that Democrats blasted Newt for taking Dole’s loan, and are now calling Dole a tobacco lobbyist – – Yes, Dole works for a law firm which represents tobacco companies. However, just sit back and think a minute. If we are to judge Dole by the law firms’ other clients, clients that Dole is not associated with, then it’s only fair that we judge all people by their lawyer’s other clients. I wonder how many people would be happy about that? Do YOU know all the clients your lawyer represents??”

    “In any case, let’s look at who is representing the tobacco company in the law firm. The representers are Ann Richards (former governor of Texas) and George Mitchell (former Senator) – both DEMOCRATS!!!”

    “The Democrats just always need something to whine about, don’t they?”

    http://www.gargaro.com/newtmoney.html

    3. “Newt Gingrich Cleared! Now How About a Refund?”

    http://www.rightgrrl.com/carolyn/newt.html

    4. Instead of just answering to CAP & TRADE, how about a MENU of subjects answered by Newt. Seems a better choice don’t you think:

    “Setting the Record Straight: Newt’s Positions on the Issues and His Record”

    http://www.newt.org/answers#Menu

    I found D.D. Mao unnecessarily insulting & unable to take me pointing out his errors like a grown up. Sure he can find sites as easily as I do. Poor guy thought he had me by my b**ls on his list. Didn’t DOUBLE CHECK but expect most if not all was answered in my last link.

    Expect this is my swan song for awhile. I explained why and D.D. Mao chose not to admit error…

  • D.D.Mao

    “I found D.D.Mao unncessarily insulting and unable to take me pointing out his errors like a grownup.Sure he can find sites as easily as I do.Poor guy thought he had me by my b**ls on his list……………

    Expect this is my swan song for awhile. I explained why and D.D.Mao chose not to admit error.”
    Bill Hedges 16th January @4:10AM

    Bill: It seems the only one who was playing “Gotcha” was you.

    In the past 23 years we have suffered through some of the most inept,morally neutered,thumb to the wind presidents(and political leaders)in our history.If demanding morals as well as intelligence in your political candidate is a crime I’m guilty.If looking for a candidate who will follow the original intent of the Constitution while in office is a crime then I’m guilty. If demanding the candidate follows the full spectrum of Conservative policies so you don’t have to hold his feet to the fire on every issue is a crime then I’m guilty.If looking for a candidate who isn’t influenced by outside campaign donations in his administrations policies is a crime then I’m guilty.If looking for a candidate who articulates a vision of where he wants America to go and a basic plan on how to get there is a crime then I’m guilty.If looking for a candidate who believes in personal responsibility not only for your actions but your own well being is a crime then I’m guilty.

    As long as I still have the right to vote I WILL DEMAND THESE of any candidate running for public office.From what I read Mr. Gingrich fails in a few of these categories.If asking a staunch supporter of Mr. Gingrich for clarification on these issues is a crime then I’m guity!

  • D.D.Mao

    Getting back to the ORIGINAL thread of this article.

    Mr.Romney’s tenure at Bain is perhaps what Conservatives long for and this government needs.There is so much waste and bloated government perhaps we need a hachet man in charge to get back to limited government?

  • Bill Hedges

    We need Newt…

    1. liberals fairy tale:

    “In fact, the budget surpluses that we enjoyed from 1998 to 2001 had nothing to do with the balanced budget act. Instead, the surpluses stemmed from a dramatic surge in federal revenues, mainly personal income taxes. Here’s what really happened.”

    “In 1993, Bill Clinton undid some of the Reagan tax cuts for the wealthy, in a bill that every Republican in Congress opposed…Clinton’s 1993 increase in tax rates on high earners applied to a new wave of taxable income from corporate executives cashing in their lucrative stock options (which are taxed as wages). In fiscal 2000, the surplus peaked at $237 billion, and it remained a robust $128 billion in fiscal 2001 (Clinton’s last budget year).”

    “Gingrich told anyone who would listen that Clinton’s 1993 tax increase would destroy the economy, but just the opposite happened”

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/12/16/390988/gingrich-four-balanced-budgets-false/?mobile=nc

    2. WHAT WAS LEFT OUT OF FIRST ARTICLE ??? Quoting D.D. Mao “hachet man in charge to get back to limited government” NAMELY NEWT. Ron P. done next to nothing IN CONGRESS.:

    “Debunking Liberal Myths About Tax Cuts and the Economy”

    “MYTH: Raising taxes in the 1990s caused the boom years of that decade. This proves that raising taxes leads to economic growth.”

    “FACT: Tax cuts, not tax hikes, caused the boom years of the 1990s. The economy grew modestly after Clinton raised taxes in 1993, but the economy grew even more after Clinton signed the tax cuts that were passed by the Republican-controlled Congress under Newt Gingrich’s leadership in 1997.”

    “Dr. J. D. Foster:”

    “Following the [Clinton] tax hike, the economy performed reasonably well, but not as well as one would expect given the conditions at the time. The real economic boom came later in the decade, just when the economy should have slowed as it made the transition from a period of recovery to normal expansion. Further, this acceleration coincided to a remarkable degree with the 1997 tax cut. . . .”

    “In 1997, the Republican-led Congress passed a tax-relief and deficit-reduction bill that was resisted but ultimately signed by President Clinton. The 1997 bill:”

    * “Lowered the top capital gains tax rate from 28 percent to 20 percent;

    * Created a new $500 child tax credit;

    * Established the new Hope and Lifetime Learning tax credits to reduce the after-tax costs of higher education;

    * Extended the air transportation excise taxes;

    * Phased in an increase in the estate tax exemption from $600,000 to $1 million;

    * Established Roth IRAs and increased the income limits for deductible IRAs;

    * Established education IRAs;

    * Conformed AMT depreciation lives to regular tax lives; and

    * Phased in a 15 cent-per-pack increase in the cigarette tax. . . .”

    “In 1995, the first year for which these data are available, just over $8 billion in venture capital was invested. Venture capital is especially critical to a vibrant economy because high-risk/high-return investment permits promising new businesses to blossom, rapidly spreading new technologies and new ideas into the marketplace and across the economy. Such investments, when successful, generate returns to investors that are subject primarily to the tax on capital gains. By 1998, the first full year in which the lower capital gains rates were in effect, venture capital activity reached almost $28 billion, more than a three-fold increase over 1995 levels, and by 1999, it had doubled yet again. (http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/wm1835.cfm)”

    http://www.mtgriffith.com/web_documents/taxcutmyths.htm

    3. Yes Newt had some tax increase.

    For every $$$ 1 increase in taxes, Reagan decreased by $$$ 2:

    “Reagan Tax Cuts & Increases”

    Legislated Tax Changes by Ronald Reagan as of 1988

    Tax CutsBillions of DollarsEconomic Recovery Tax Act of 1981-264.4

    Interest and Dividends Tax Compliance Act of 1983-1.8Federal Employees’ Retirement System Act of 1986-0.2

    Tax Reform Act of 1986-8.9Total cumulative tax cuts-275.3″

    ___

    “Tax IncreasesBillions of DollarsTax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982+57.3

    Highway Revenue Act of 1982+4.9

    Social Security Amendments of 1983+24.6

    Railroad Retirement Revenue Act of 1983+1.2

    Deficit Reduction Act of 1984+25.4

    Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985+2.9

    Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985+2.4

    Superfund Amendments and Reauthorization Act of 1986+0.6

    Continuing Resolution for 1987+2.8

    Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987+8.6

    Continuing Resolution for 1988+2.0

    Total cumulative tax increases+132.7”

    http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/09/reagan-tax-increases/

  • Bill Hedges

    Part 2

    Landreaux

    Was it my imagination last night watching debate ? Was Newt only one that got a standing ovation that continued into break ? They liked Newt answer on jobs for young. They say Newt won the debate. Upcoming polls will tell for sure. I’m very partial for Newt.

    As Landreaux says:

    “It is a long list from ethics fines to support for Cap and Trade. But the real answer is if the ‘optics’ of Romney’s association with Bain are a negative than the ‘optics’ of Newt’s associations could easily be viewed as a more significant set of negative ‘optics’. Love Newt for many of his ideas but it’s always been a case of temperament and discipline.”

    Earlier I gave link to menu of likely negative aspects of Newt with answers:

    “Setting the Record Straight: Newt’s Positions on the Issues and His Record”

    http://www.newt.org/answers#Menu

    Mitt has been campaigning for years. Won Iowa by only eight. Mitt now has a commanding lead in Gallup poll. 23 points. As more drop out our choice will rise like old fashion cream in quart of milk. Who ? Who knows . The dirt (supposed dirt) is out on Newt. Gallup has Newt tied in second place with Rick Santorum. Paul next 2 down.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx

    After 2 long years of investigation by ethic committee only a few minor charges stuck. Which Newt pled guilty to. Only charges not dropped courts cleared Newt of IRS charges concerning classes taught for free.. That’s pretty good venting.

    To keep D.D. Mao honest I’ll stick around. I’ve point out his mistakes such as his saying Cain cheated on wife. _____“HART LIED”_ Get it !!!!!!!_____. Then ok if (R) charges by D.D. Mao. Sure D.D. Mao wouldn’t want it any other way. Me checking his so far faulty facts. I’m good at that. He has ticked me off…

  • D.D.Mao

    Pheeew!………..I couldn’t sleep last night worrying about if Bill would find someone to torture with his dog chasing his tail arguements.

    Question! Am I going to be graded after you check my SO CALLED faulty facts?

  • Bill Hedges

    No “dog chasing his tail arguements.”( “arguements”_ What was that about my link that misspelled IKE’s last name you said ? They, you, and I misspell). I think “WE” all want the FACTS not accusations. Not your 1. Cain cheated, 2. OK for (R) bull, 3. and did I have to write this three time _ “If you had answered my points as I wrote them I would be inclined to answer your 10 points now. You didn’t. Somehow I missed that comment of yours at that time. You wrote 2 comments one after another while I was writing response to your first comment. Missed 2nd comment. ___“Avoided” NOT !!!!!!!!!___ You think too highly of yourself”

    It was not “SO CALLED faulty facts”. They were “FAULTY FACTS” !!! I think THOSE WHO READ would agree. PERFECT example you said Cain cheated. When I confronted you, you denied. I then provide YOUR QUOTE SHOWING YOU LIED. YOUR response was INSULTS & newest saying “dog chasing his tail arguements.”

    If Newt was making similar mistakes you would be ALL OVER HIM.

    You want me to do you leg work on answering your question on Newt. As you point out in your acrimonious comment in “D.D.Mao Jan 16th, 2012 at 9:29 pm”. I’m a big boy wearing big boy pants. I hear something on Fox I research it. You write something that sounds off I research it. Seems you should be able to research yourself like a big boy. I did provide a menu of answers on Newt. Wonder if you even read !!! I don’t spoon fed non-family members. Most of _ “US”_ don’t.(You so like to believe your view matches majority)

    No “grade”. Just no free ride to lie. Free to express opinion…

  • D.D.Mao

    Bill Hedges(R):

    I do research the candidates which is why I have so many unanswered questions before I blindly support Mr. Gingrich.No I don’t want you to do “the leg work” but I do want to know why you support him when he makes comments like if elected President he would “ignore the Supreme Court when it doesn’t agree with his views”? Obviously “my view matches a majority” since Mr. Gingrich is only pulling in 9% of the vote.His comments or character must trouble a majority of America also.

    It’s not a matter of me “thinking to highly of myself” but you thinking to highly of Mr.Gingrich.When someone questions why you get supposedly insulted when you don’t even understand my comments such as “a dog chasing his own tail arguements”.I didn’t call you any names yet you demand an apology,say I “unjustly insult”you and demand “retribution”.You are either extremely thin skinned or you are trying to deflect the discussion away from a point I am making.

    Therefore I don’t see any point in continuing this discussion any further and suggest we agree that we disagree.

  • Bill Hedges

    Not (R) but TEA. As Sarah Palin said I would vote for a Democrat. Depends on politicans record…

    1. Who says I do not understand “a dog chasing his own tail arguements”.

    2. You wish to appoint me to answer your questions. Is not my job. You may research. Like Mitt said in debate last nigh, he will answer his way. I provided a menu of answers on Newt link.

    3. You may find TEA is connected to “ignore the Supreme Court when it doesn’t agree with his views”? to the best of my memory. Using Newt’s named followed by what you wrote I found many links. Here is first one on google:

    “Newt Gingrich Says He Will Ignore Supreme Court Rulings He Doesn’t Agree With”

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/12/19/newt-gingrich-says-he-will-ignore-supreme-court-rulings-he-doesnt-agree-with/

    Your comments should be your opinion on the facts. Not me informing you of the facts. I have no teacher degree.

    4. You write “Obviously “my view matches a majority” since Mr. Gingrich is only pulling in 9% of the vote.His comments or character must trouble a majority of America also”. First off you say many times “us” or something similar to give IMPORTANTS TO YOUR WORDS. You are off base saying this to relate to Newt. Second no link for 9%. Gallup has Newt at 15% today. Be more precise please:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx

    5. You wrote “It’s not a matter of me “thinking to highly of myself” but you thinking to highly of Mr.Gingrich”. Let’s go back to my statement and keep this in context instead of changing it to suite you:

    “If you had answered my points as I wrote them I would be inclined to answer your 10 points now. You didn’t. Somehow I missed that comment of yours at that time. You wrote 2 comments one after another while I was writing response to your first comment. Missed 2nd comment. ___“Avoided” NOT !!!!!!!!!___ You think too highly of yourself”

    6. I frankly don’t see any/many points you have made. I pretty much dismissed them all with evidence.

    7. I never said you called me “names” that I recall. I said you “insulted” me & “mean spirited remark of yours”. Remember ??:

    I wrote “You can’t READ MY MIND ? NEWT admitted his cheating. Cain denied he cheated and no conclusive proof he cheated. Hart said PROVE HE IS CHEATING AND they did. Tell me what “(R)” has to do with ANYTHING ??? YOU unjustly insult me. Hart denied cheating and got caught. No comparison to Newt or Cain. Hart lied. I don’t like liars.”

    “Two errors. That’s being ultra-conservative at that. But I don’t want to spend the time documenting more.”

    “I want retribution of sorts for this latest mean spirited remark of yours __ Deserve apology __. You were way out of line….”

    You wrote previously “In one of your previous post you said Gary Hart tried to pull a fast one on the press with his cheating and got caught and you are glad he did.Obviously to you as long as he has an(R)after his name the arch angels will sing.”

    8. All you have to do is drop the subject. I respond to you comments and misinformation. Newt is my man. Cast doubt upon him and I answer attacks. Especially dishonest ones…

  • Bill Hedges

    P.s.

    You wrote “you thinking to highly of Mr.Gingrich”.

    You have proved nothing to bring Newt down in my eyes. I go to liberal site and they prove nothing against Newt.

    Ethic Committee went after Newt for two years and got 2 minor wrong doings that Newt admitted. 70 + charges DROPPED. Rest went to court because IRS issue. Newt WON. YES I have high regard for Newt. There was no balance budget until NEWT and CONTRACT WITH AMERICA.

    NEWT got a RARE standing ovation last night on a very sensitive subject. He grabbed the bull by the horns and spoke out. Ovation continued into break they say. They said ovations are RARE.

    Yes I think “highly of Mr.Gingrich”. Abe Lincoln might want all his Generals to cheat on their wives. Like U.S. Grant, Newt got the job done.

    God used Moses and Moses had a mistress. All of us fall short. NAMES of our heroes have not been erased because they cheated on their wives. We just celebrated Martin Luther King Monday. I honor IKE even if he strayed. Personal life is his own…
    ..

  • Bill Hedges

    Pps

    D.D. Mao

    Writes “Obviously “my view matches a majority” since Mr. Gingrich is only pulling in 9% of the vote.His comments or character must trouble a majority of America also.”

    Since Newt is tied for second (see Gallup poll in earlier comment), I guess 3rd place Paul’s “comments or character must trouble a majority of America also” using your logic.

    Try using your head for more than where you place your hat…

    _ Many a President has had BAD POLLS this early in process _ Mitt has been running for YEARS…

  • D.D.Mao

    Bill Hedges(R):

    “MEAN SPIRITED”??? Please I expected more from you than using this whinny LIBERAL TERM that can mean anything you want it to mean to solicit sympathy.

    Mr.Gingrich followed in President Nixons footsteps to try to resurrect his career by writing books and articles,giving speeches,and saying interesting things as a contributor on T.V.This wasn’t satisfying enough so he tried to do President Nixon one better by returning to run for office.Why did the 1997 Republican members of Congress actively plot a coup to remove him from the Speakership? As I said earlier if he was so effiecent,intelligent and loved by the electorate why did he remove himself from his power base in 1998 and not run for president in 2000?

    I don’t think America thinks to highly of any of the current Republican candidates and I whole heartedly agree.The consensus seems to be hold your nose when you pull the voting lever.Look if you think so much of Mr.Gingrich (even his campaign staff quit in mass)then you go right ahead and support him.

    Thats all I’m going to say further about this!

  • D.D.Mao

    YOU CAN’T BE SERIOUS EQUATING MOSES WITH MR.GINGRICH !

  • Bill Hedges

    1. Again, I am TEA not (R).(Tell me what “(R)” has to do with ANYTHING ???) YOU FORCE me to repeat. You don’t like me to repeat. A little more READ WITH COMPREHENSION.

    2. “Please I expected more from you than using this whinny LIBERAL TERM that can mean anything you want it to mean to solicit sympathy”

    I gave expressed reasons for saying WHAT I DID. A word does not become dirty when liberals say it or you place more meaning into the word (“solicit sympathy”). Read in full context. YOU SURE YOU ARE NOT A CLOSET LIBERAL ? I find similar THINKING on lib site. Like:

    “You can’t READ MY MIND ? NEWT admitted his cheating. Cain denied he cheated and no conclusive proof he cheated. Hart said PROVE HE IS CHEATING AND they did. Tell me what “(R)” has to do with ANYTHING ??? YOU unjustly insult me. Hart denied cheating and got caught. No comparison to Newt or Cain. Hart lied. I don’t like liars.”

    “Two errors. That’s being ultra-conservative at that. But I don’t want to spend the time documenting more.”

    “I want retribution of sorts for this latest mean spirited remark of yours __ Deserve apology __. You were way out of line….”

    3. “Mr.Gingrich followed in President Nixons footsteps …”

    This is expanding. You wrote “Therefore I don’t see any point in continuing this discussion any further and suggest we agree that we disagree”. So why should I go into ?

    I do write long comments. I do provide many links. I document OFTEN. On liberal site I am KING OF PROVIDING LINKS. There is no one that comes close to my link numbers. Would take many links and long comments to answer. I have seen need to repeat too often and more insult fly than thought by you. Am not inclined to go to the trouble to answer. Part of answer to your inquiry I answered using link you do not approve. It gave my view but you dismissed link. You did not disprove content given in link. Just dismissed. I would of disproved if in your shoes. But am not.

    4. Thanks. I do support Newt from the group running. Not waiting for some mystical candidate to HOP IN. Have little hope Gov. of New Jersey will step forward, Jeff Bush, or say Sarah Palin. I play the hand dealt. That was John McCain last go around. John had a banking scandal past. Guess I don’t know MR. PERFECT. Good luck in your quest.

    “The wife U.S. Republican John McCain callously left behind”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html#ixzz1jqwXvu3s

    Wonderful watching Newt’s standing ovation Monday night:

    Newt got the rare ovation Monday night at the debate over his remarks on his janitor comment. They say the ovation carried on into the break:

    “In a debate Monday night in South Carolina, Gingrich was asked whether his previous remarks about food stamps and allowing children to work janitor jobs to instill a work ethic were “insulting,” particularly to African Americans.”

    “Gingrich replied that “only the elites despise earning money.” The former House speaker said he won’t stop raising the issues simply because liberals become uncomfortable.”

    “Gingrich said he believes “every American of every background has been endowed by their creator with the right to pursue happiness.” And he said that he will “continue to find ways to help poor people “learn how to get a job, learn how to get a better job and learn someday to own the job.”

    http://www.newser.com/article/d9saenn00/gingrich-defends-remarks-on-food-stamps-janitor-jobs-for-poor-children-to-instill-work-ethic.html

    5. “Thats all I’m going to say further about this!”

    So I should answer all your points ?

    6. “YOU CAN’T BE SERIOUS EQUATING MOSES WITH MR.GINGRICH !”

    I did THAT ??? Hardly. What a imagination you have !!! Are you sure you are not a leaning liberal ???

    I wrote “God used Moses and Moses had a mistress. All of us fall short. NAMES of our heroes have not been erased because they cheated on their wives. We just celebrated Martin Luther King Monday. I honor IKE even if he strayed. Personal life is his own…”

    Obviously my point was leaders have ___ cheated___. Takes UNUSAL mind to say from this “YOU CAN’T BE SERIOUS EQUATING MOSES WITH MR.GINGRICH !”. Comparison is __CHEATING__. GET IT ??? Moses was not cast into HELL-o. JKF name was not removed from schools, JFK center, and airports. JFK family was America’s royalty.(not saying Newt’s family is America’s royalty. How I must be soooo specific for your MIND SET. YOU twist. Most don’t think like you).

    7. If I have “unanswered questions” after researching, I dig in and research MORE. Thus I form MY own OPINION.

  • Bill Hedges

    P.s.

    Awhile back Sarah’s husband came out for Newt. Sarah said she would vote for Newt if she lived in SC…

    Time latest poll Newt has narrowed Mitt’s lead to 10%:

    “Romney has the support of 33% of likely Republican primary voters in South Carolina, good for a 10-point advantage over Gingrich. That’s down, however, from an 18-point lead Romney held over Rick Santorum in a poll earlier this month.”

    “Santorum is now down to 16% in the new poll, followed by Ron Paul at 13% and Rick Perry at 6%.”

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-south-carolina-poll-gingrich-gains-20120118,0,224166.story

  • Bill Hedges

    P.P.S.

    Just heard on Fox questions exist who won in Iowa. Count problems. Be interesting.

    Perry drops out and supports Newt. Add Sarah would vote for Newt if she could in S.C.. Sounds like a good week for Newt after last successful debate. Polls show Newt tied/beating Mitt in S.C.. Very close either way.

    Then comes the inevitable LAST MINUTE ACCUSATIONS. Little time to rebuff. Newt wanted open marriage to 2nd ex-wife. Going to be on all news I bet. Constantly. Children have already come forward backing their Dad. As Newt is noted to do, he has admitted mistakes as he did to ethic committee. Taking grap is not his style. Though he shows restraint condemning his ex.. I am divorced and made misstates. Assuming Newt wanted open marriage and then cheated. So ? Taking this entire paragraph into consideration, what does it matter. Our past makes us who we are today. Our success and failures makes Newt the man he is today. obuma did illegal drugs and voters choice to elect. Yes D.D. Mao God used Moses with mistress. Need I mention all the adultery people whose name still stand on monuments today and have Days set aside for them when questions exist.

    They tried to stop Bush with last minute rumor of his service in National Guard. Liberal sites spread rumor of Perry being gay with no proof, accusations Cain cheated. Timing of charges by wife is VERY SUSPECT. SATURDAY SOO CLOSE with Newt standing on rise again. Perry, Cain, and now they try to cut upcoming leaders down. Nothing new except open-marriage thrown in.

    Personal I think it will blow over. Is my hope…

  • Bill Hedges

    PPPs

    Mitt gives money to homeless black woman ($50 ?) in SC paying her light bill. Left screams racial stereotyping and all jobs Mitt caused to lose. No mention of jobs saved and created jobs.

    Nothing. Everything. Used to destroy Republican candidates. Forget who said, with obuma bad record, this will be the dirtiest campaign. If Rick S. won Iowa and takes lead I have been reading possible MUD on him on left web site.

    Best to just give up and let obuma have his second term. NO PERFECT candidate lives…

  • Bill Hedges

    Tonight another standing ovation for Newt concerning his answer to charges made by his wife on CNN debate.

    Of course Newt knew question was coming. Of course most candidates know what’s coming. Some of panel said after debate they expect Newt to win in S.C.. Some said then Newt would lose woman votes later. I disagree with latter remark. Too many times accusations have been used to bring down good candidates. Third light off same match in trenches kill. Kills this tactic. I expect…

  • Bill Hedges

    I wrote this on another site. Thought Newt haters would hate it and Newt lovers would get a kick out of it. Some new facts I have not sighted here before…

    Did you have a good Martin Luther Day. Cheater. Kennedy brothers cheated with M. Monroe. Teddy cheated and did not report killing a woman until later. How about Ike and FDR ? Sure not all these folks are proven. Neither was Cain and latest charges against Newt of wanting open marriage.

    You say Newt is a “low down scum ”. No reason given. Must speculate right ? Ah, ethic committee and $$$ 300,000 fine. 70 + charges DROPPED. Two charges concerning IRS went to court. Newt WON. 2 minor point Newt said guilty. That’s $$$ 300,000 fine ? Heaven’s NO not RIGHT. Newt admitted affair. Admitted. “Low down scum ” right ? Most men admit RIGHT ? NO not publicly anyhow.

    How many budgets was BALANCED did Bill C. have before Newt ? NONE. With Newt, ah, 4. That’s part of the CONTRACT WITH AMERICA Newt fought for !!! Closing down government twice got things done. He accomplished working with Republicans & Democrats (do we NEED that now in Congress ?).

    Yes Newt made enemies. That’s for discussing another day. His years had surplus. Not before under Bill C. and not after. You want this “low down scum ” as your President ???

    I DO !!! Newt will have to compromise with both parties just like Reagan. Reagan increased some taxes & reduced MORE. For every $$$ 1.00 increased, he reduced $$$ 2.00. Newt worked out the Gridlock. Newt learned under Reagan:

    http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/09/reagan-tax-increases/

    ABOUT THOSE TAX CUTS

    Bill C. increased taxes. Newt got them lowered. You think increase gave government MORE revenue and Newt’s cuts cost revenue RIGHT ??? WRONG:

    “MYTH: Raising taxes in the 1990s caused the boom years of that decade. This proves that raising taxes leads to economic growth.”

    “FACT: Tax cuts, not tax hikes, caused the boom years of the 1990s. The economy grew modestly after Clinton raised taxes in 1993, but the economy grew even more after Clinton signed the tax cuts that were passed by the Republican-controlled Congress under Newt Gingrich’s leadership in 1997.”

    “In 1997, the Republican-led Congress passed a tax-relief and deficit-reduction bill that was resisted but ultimately signed by President Clinton”

    “In 1995, the first year for which these data are available, just over $8 billion in venture capital was invested. Venture capital is especially critical to a vibrant economy because high-risk/high-return investment permits promising new businesses to blossom, rapidly spreading new technologies and new ideas into the marketplace and across the economy. Such investments, when successful, generate returns to investors that are subject primarily to the tax on capital gains. By 1998, the first full year in which the lower capital gains rates were in effect, venture capital activity reached almost $28 billion, more than a three-fold increase over 1995 levels, and by 1999, it had doubled yet again. (http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/wm1835.cfm)”

    http://www.mtgriffith.com/web_documents/taxcutmyths.htm

    Yes I’m voting for Newt.

  • Bill Hedges

    Enjoy the video…

    “Every US president since William Howard Taft has served as the honorary president of the Boys Scouts of America. President Obama accepted his role as honorary president in March of last year. So as you know, when the 100th anniversary of the Boys Scouts came along late last month, Obama decided to… go on The View instead. Hey, when you’re down 14 points with women, an American institution like the Boy Scouts will just have to wait.”

    “However, Obama did record a message that was broadcast to the ,000 Boy Scouts in attendance at the National Jamboree in Virginia.”

    http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/taped-obama-message-booed-at-boy-scout-jamboree/

    As I recall, obuma passed on a military function Presidents attend too. Can’t recall the event…

  • Bill Hedges

    Give EM HELL-o Newt…

    The old Newt in two debates with same number of standing ovations has CHANGED HIS POSITION IN RACE IN SC to # 1. So far charges made by ex-wife isn’t harming Newt but Newt’s answer to charges lifted him:

    1:48 p.m. Friday, January 20, 2012

    “Charleston, S.C. – A new poll shows Newt Gingrich leading Mitt Romney by six percentage points among likely Republican primary voters in South Carolina.”

    “The former Georgia congressman is leading Romney 35-29, while former U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania and U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas are tied for third at 15 percent. Public Policy Polling surveyed 836 South Carolina voters between Wednesday and Thursday for the poll.”

    “Riding high on his fiery debate performances this week…”

    http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/poll-gingrich-leads-romney-1310082.html

  • Bill Hedges

    Mitt ask Newt to release records for his ethic committee one or two year ordeal. What a press field day that would be. When Governor Palin’s official email records were released, what a pandemonium trying to dig up DIRT. None find. On liberal site it went from ex-wife says to Newt did want open marriage.

    There were 70 + charges DROPPED. Each one will be rehashed and of course many, many will say Newt was guilty. Just like shooter in AZ was influenced by Sarah Palin’s bulls-eye and Fox News. If this catches on Newt is OUT OF RACE. NEWER MIND ONLY TWO CHARGES not dropped courts found the man innocent…

  • Bill Hedges

    Well Newt is the projected winner in S.C. with 40.4 & Mitt 27.8 %. Rick 17 & Paul 13 %.

    Like I said trust is dynamic.

    What a JUMP UP in such a short time. A lot of $$$ millions was spent to bring Newt Down in Iowa. Now Newt is getting the campaign bucks. Millions from Las Vegas already. One might say Newt used the style of Governor of New Jersey. Or is it visa versa ??? The latter am sure…

    Certainty the race is far from over.

  • Bill Hedges

    Exit poll in SC shows big win for Newt from married women according to Bill O’ show tonight…

  • D.D.Mao

    EXIT POLLS had Al Gore as the Winner in 2000 Presidential election also!

  • D.D.Mao

    Polls had Mr.Romney as the winner in the Iowa primary earlier this month!

  • D.D.Mao

    “Polls have shown never more than 43% of the public viewed Mr. Gingrich favorablly AT ANY POINT IN HIS CAREER.”

    “Hour of Newt” editorial by National Review Editors
    24 January 2012

  • Bill Hedges

    Newt has been re-ELECTED many, many times. Was elected prior to his leaving. Can easily see he got pass 43% to WIN at election time. Polls are a representative group having their views questioned either by electronic or personal means. Those chosen may or may not represent proper census being polled. Using words which could affect the outcome of those selected group of people in poll for accuracy. Yes at times wrong. As President from MO held up newspaper showing the proof in his day. STILL, polls are overall good tools. Realizing their imperfections. Nothing is perfect. I’ve known this since studying statistics in my psychology class with archaic math machines compared to today. Shall we discuss standard deviation now ? Think on the “+” and “-” with each poll.

    I understand I located and pointed out your many, many errors using your own EXACT QUOTES. Exact quotes have no standard deviation if given in context and providing link. Example, Cain cheated on wife according to you. Then denial. Then. Then. Then. Feel free to come after me. I wear big boy’s pants. Will have to do a BETTER JOB THOUGH…

  • D.D.Mao

    “Polls are a representive group having their views questioned either by electronic or personal means.Those chosen may or may not represent proper census being polled.Using words which could effect the outcome of the selected group of people in poll for accuracy.YES AT TIMES WRONG”……Bill Hedges 24January @ 11:37PM

    Well I’m glad you admit polls aren’t accurate.You have been free using them as proof of Mr. Gingrich surging (24 January @12:16 AM)I only wanted to prove that we shouldn’t put much weight into polling.I’m sure Mr.Gingrich pulled more than 43% in his state wide elections but since he isn’t running JUST STATE WIDE NOW I’m sure National Review were referring to when he was on the national stage as Speaker. If you have any quaims about the statement take it up with them not me.

    The only “deviations” I want to discuss is the deviations the Republian party is taking from morals and character mattering in our elected officials.Of an elected official saying he “won’t follow the Supreme Court decisions if elected”.Thus making us a banana republic who’s laws will change at the whim of whoever is in office.Of taking $1.6 million of taxpayers money from a failed business and not giving a respectable answer as to what he did to earn this.And having to witness a bimbo parade of woman coming out in October saying they also were Mr.Gingrich’s mistresses.Simply I want to discuss the deviations of replacing integrity and voting with your conscience with a vote of convenience of what can he do for me while in office.

  • Bill Hedges

    1. “Well I’m glad you admit polls aren’t accurate.You have been free using them as proof of Mr. Gingrich surging (24 January @12:16 AM)I only wanted to prove that we shouldn’t put much weight into polling”

    I did say to quote IN CONTEXT. PICKING and CHOISING parts from my comment is NOT representing my thoughts. Example, saying CAIN CHEATED ON HIS WIFE is a very cut and dry statement. Then discussing statistic/polls there are things to consider. A good poll is a MOMENT FROZE IN TIME. IS DYNATIC. You say I ADMIT, frankly I thought everybody knew that that has a education. I do assume too much at times. But you carry it many steps beyond what I wrote.

    Let’s consider what I mean by frozen in time. Polls had Newt behind when ex-wife accused him of wanting a OPEN MARRIAGE. Newt was behind in polls. Was close to election in SC. I watched debate and thought Newt did well. Those covering debate seemed to feel same way. Result was Newt had a comfortable win. Circumstance changed outcome. This does not necessarily lead me to believe the poll was incorrect. I tend to understand reason for change.

    As far as “Gingrich surging” I believe I quoted article and it explained why that was written. I thought the article went out of its way pointing out a connection to Newt. They used two polls. Said why they wrote “Gingrich surging”. You did CATCH ALL THAT ?

    2. “I’m sure Mr.Gingrich pulled more than 43% in his state wide elections but since he isn’t running JUST STATE WIDE NOW I’m sure National Review were referring to when he was on the national stage as Speaker. ”

    “I’m sure” is a ASSUMPTION. You know what they say about ASSUMPTIONS. YOU READ the article RIGHT ? Was article back when Speaker or now ? Should have checked if not known to you and built a ACCURATE case for yourself. Without knowing, why bring this to me to properly reply.

    3. “If you have any quaims about the statement take it up with them not me”

    That seems childish. Don’t your stand behind things you include in your comment LIKE A MAN and not a irresponsible young lad ? If wrong do you admit ? Example, saying Cain cheated on his wife. I guess not. You CHANGED on that didn’t you. I had to pull your quotes and post to MAKE THE POINT. Wear long pants and stand behind what is in your comments or LEAVE IT OUT

    4. “The only “deviations” I want to discuss…. ”

    I had to repeat many times saying HERE IS LINK to many commonly asked questions about Newt. When you had that __ dreaded (OH MY GOD) __ list of questions concerning Newt. I UNDERSTAND you do not want to say what you _ know _ like Cain cheats on his wife !?!? I have only seen you here as a uncommitted to any candidate IN RECENT TIMES. If you, I would be at the books studying up. I took one of your questions and showed you HOW EASY IT WAS TO LOOK UP ONLINE. In other words, I taught you how to fish so you can feed yourself.

    Wear long pants. Take this list of yours and find your answers. I’m not here to hold your hand and lead you down THAT PATH. Make your comments as I do. Then we will discuss. Like a man I give my stand and will answer on it. I won’t say “If you have any quaims about the statement take it up with them not me”…

  • D.D.Mao

    Bill(Billy Flynn)Hedges:

    It seems the only “GOOD POLL” you find worth mentioning is the ones “frozen in time” to support your theories. In the musical “Chicago” there is a character named Billy Flynn who is the lawyer appointed to defend the two woman on trial.He can’t defend them because they are guilty so he uses a tactic of distraction from the facts with flim flam and razzle dazzle.

    You seem to have acquired the same put down method of calling someone “childish”,”irresponsible young lad”or talking down to people when a difficult question arises that your candidate has perfected during the debates.Mr.Gingrich has gathered a following by his verbal razzle dazzle war with the media whenever they ask a question he doesn’t like. This tactic will wear thin however if he gets the nomination and he will be painted as angry,unhinged and emotionally unprepared to become President.You have trumpeted Mr.Gingrich out of one side of your mouth but when it comes to defending his record you insist “Take this list of yours and find your answers.I’m not here to hold your hand and lead you down that path.” Perhaps you should read some of these links you rely on for your facts before sending them out. The link addictinginfo.org you used(18th January @4:27AM)as backup on why Mr.Gingrich will ignore the Supreme Court when he doesn’t agree with it is against Mr.Gingrich. It’s closing lines are “Once again,Newt Gingrich has proven that he is unfit for the presidency. Not only would he ignore the rulings of the Supreme Court which is UNCONSTITUTIONAL but he would do things because George Bush did them.That’s a double dose of dangerous.” As a matter of fact it’s such a good reference to prove my point I made a copy to refer to.His link newt.org/answers (given by you 17th January 2012 @4:28Am)just says he didn’t do lobbying.Well what exactly did he do to earn $1.6 million dollars of taxpayer money?

    Since the National Review article is dated 25th January 2012 I don’t have to assume the validity of their data being current.You however use data that substantiates my arguement(see above) and you have the chutz-pah to question the editors of National Review? But then when you are “Billy Flynn” you have no other choice but to try to razzle dazzle ’em.

  • D.D.Mao

    Bill(Billy Flynn)Hedges:

    “I have only seen you here as an uncommitted to any candidate in recent times.”…Bill(25th January @5:42PM)

    Thats correct! I have accumulated information and if Mr.Romney is the candidate I will write on him.Right now it’s my aim to put a halt to this Conservative hypocracy of voting for the candidate of convenience.

    As far as I can see none of the candidates running have the gravitas to be leader of the free world.

  • Bill Hedges

    Never saw the musical…

  • Bill Hedges

    Part 2

    “Better a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without”

    Confucius
    ___

    I’ve been for Newt a long time. Pecfect he is not. Who is ? Not even Abe Lincoln or U.S. Grant. Certaintly not Thomas Jefferson.

    Good news today:

    Thursday, January 26, 2012 Updated 07:00 PM ET

    “Gingrich Erases Romney’s National Lead”

    “Romney 29%, Gingrich 28% among Republicans nationally”

    “Newt Gingrich has all but erased Mitt Romney’s 23-percentage-point lead of a week ago among Republican voters nationally, and the two candidates are now essentially tied, at 29% for Romney and 28% for Gingrich”

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx

  • Bill Hedges

    Part 3

    More than musicals, I like trivia…

    Speaking of A. Lincoln, I’m always re-phasing quote associated with him saying. That Abe might of wanted all his Generals to cheat on their wives had Grant cheated rather than drank. Or did he cheat ? For the General fought unlike many others.

    Did you know:

    “Though Lincoln and Mary had a very strained relationship, there is no record of Lincoln ever cheating on her, making him one of the few presidents not to cheat on his wife or take up a mistress. One of the last things they did together, besides see the play at the Ford’s Theater, was take a carriage ride together, as it was one of Mary’s favorite things to do. Lincoln probably regretted marrying Mary Todd, but he did love her no matter how crazy she was.”

    http://norlinhistory.blogspot.com/2011/02/abraham-lincoln-extraordinary-life.html

    I guess Bill C. cheating on wife came natural for one to become President.

    Here are list of Presidents. Two links with different stuff. Fun to read. Unless your leader must be GOD LIKE. LBJ I never thought would be on the list. We all know the Kennedy family:

    “POLL: PRESIDENTIAL MISTRESSES”

    http://selectpoll.com/bonus/freepoll.php?poll=Mistresses

    Here are two of my favorites:

    1. “This president was involved with the Teapot Dome Scandal. He was also forced to admit to having an illegitimate child, after the press uncovered the details of his affair with a young woman.”

    “Warren Harding. The Teapot Dome Scandal involved the illegal leasing of naval oil reserves to private companies.”

    2. “This president refuted the rumors that he was romantically involved with one of his slaves, Sally Hemings. Still, there was whispers about it amongst the capitol during his presidency.”

    “Thomas Jefferson. Due to recent DNA testing, many believe that Jefferson did indeed have a romantic relationship with his slave. He is also reputed to have fathered at least one of her children, if not all of them.”

    http://www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/Those-Scandalous-Presidents-139646.html

  • Bill Hedges

    Part 4

    “As far as I can see none of the candidates running have the gravitas to be leader of the free world”

    Lad, there never was. They ALL fall short. Man killed the one perfect. They found fault with Him. You found adultery in Cain’s heart & in deed. Then denied. Guess you’re not perfect either. Still God used Moses even though he had a mistress.

    1. “you have the chutz-pah to question the editors of National Review?”

    Yeah. They taught me that in COLLEGE. Seems YOUR point coming up is YOU DOING THE SAME THING !!!!!!!!!!__ FANCY THAT __. Guess we both have a little “Billy Flynn” in us.We “razzle dazzle ‘em.”

    2. “Well what exactly did he do to earn $1.6 million dollars of taxpayer money?”

    I repeatedly gave you link to answers on questions asked Newt. Guess what ? This is one. Still you will need to STUDY UP to answer up many questions. THAT’S LIFE.

    I can not quote what is written there here. There are embedded links to further material. Can’t make everything SIMPLE for you.

    http://www.newt.org/answers#Freddie

  • D.D.Mao

    “Billy Flynn” Hedges:

    This list of examples you give for past presidents adultrist affairs both alledged and real is the exact same excuse the liberal left gave when President Clinton was caught with his zipper open.The excuse everyone else does it so why can’t I do it didn’t work with my parents when I was a kid and it sure doesn’t work as an adult.At least we are supposed to be adults I sometimes wonder.Conservatives are supposed to be known for “taking responsibilities for our actions” well the hypocricy here is deafening.

    No one is trumpeting Warren Harding.He was supposed to have one of the most corrupt administrations in our history.As far as Thomas Jefferson YOU HIT IT RIGHT ON THE NOSE WHEN YOU STATE “MANY BELIEVE”.Many also believe it was his brother who fathered the child. OF COURSE THEY ARE “TWO OF YOUR FAVORITES” only people looking for an excuse to tear down Jefferson or use it as an excuse to support anothers failings go that route however.

    I suggest you google to find out what a word means before reponding. “Gravitas” to be President means seriousness not perfection.As I said before looking for perfection in a candidate would be naive. Just as having to blindly defend one with as much baggage as Mr. Gingrich would be naive.Especially when his so called site to answer questions is vague with the facts.Just what does a “Historian”(the name he gave his duties while taking Freddie Mac’s money)do? Why did Mr.Gingrich release only 1 (thats ONE)years records out of his 5 years with Freddie Mac?He admits to receiving only $30,000. in that one year where is the rest of the $1.6 million?

    I much rather would listen to a good musical than listen to your razzle dazzle tap dance around giving answers so I won’t even bother asking anything further.

  • Bill Hedges

    Wear long Pants…

    “Gingrich Maintaining Grip on New Lead

    “Romney slumps to 24%, his lowest level since before Iowa caucuses”

    January 27, 2012

    “Newt Gingrich is now the candidate of choice for 32% of Republican voters nationwide, his highest level of support this year. The 24% supporting Mitt Romney is his lowest”

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx

    1. “…zipper open…”

    With many undecided, Newt has, in short order, equaled Mitt. Am sure you were raised in a moral family. And you follow suite.

    Though a roller coaster. Things happen in politics. Is norm. A man from Missouri was being picked/considered for VP long ago. Was a friend of my Dad. He washed out because was discovered he spent a stench in a mental hospital. Sounds logical.

    Many folks know a old maid. Just never found that PERFECT man to marry. Perfection is in the mind of the beholder.

    I knock liberal all the time. I tear apart their positions. Sure some of my points are used by liberals. Nothing new under this Sun.

    2. “taking responsibilities for our actions” well the hypocricy here is deafening”

    So you judge CAIN. THEN DENY. NOT hypocrisy ? Yes, “ is deafening”. I did point out other examples didn’t I ? We all do fall short.

    Just because many Presidents cheated doesn’t make cheating right. Makes them human. I still think Thomas Jefferson was a great President. Is everyones prerogative to make their own assessments.

    Cain got a raw deal. Believe he won the straw vote in Florida with limited candidates.

    3. “No one is trumpeting Warren Harding.He was supposed to have one of the most corrupt administrations in our history.”

    Wasn’t. Making point. Was mentions some of his other problem.

    4. “As far as Thomas Jefferson YOU HIT IT RIGHT ON THE NOSE WHEN YOU STATE “MANY BELIEVE”

    I wasn’t in room at conception. Know little about DNA. Especially from man dead long ago like Jefferson. Reports on JFK has been released. At least there is scientific evidence to believe. NONE FOR CAIN. No odds given he did or his brother did.

    I threw in the WHOLE STORY with link. Not doctoring. Could have left it out. Gave two links. I remembered what I wrote basically.

    5. “OF COURSE THEY ARE “TWO OF YOUR FAVORITES” only people looking for an excuse to tear down Jefferson or use it as an excuse to support anothers failings go that route however”

    Got on your HIGH HORSE didn’t you ? I go through trivia looking for stuff on Jefferson. Hum. I read the Bible we all far short. “Failings” is a given. Didn’t I say Thomas was a great man ? I know you prejudged Cain.

    6. “I suggest you google to find out what a word means before reponding. “Gravitas” to be President means seriousness not perfection”

    I did look the word up. Not one I was familiar with.

    I google those coming out against Cain when I heard some had ties to WH. I took it serious. Wanted a Cain-Newt ticket was in my mind with no head at the time. You, like liberals, thought the worse just like Sarah & Fox helped caused shooting in AZ. You see we mimic liberals as well.

    I’m not going to read the transcript from 2 year investigation into Newt ethic committee investigation. Have google many articles. Read what others wrote (liberal site) and checked out their statements when they actual had a point and not just a insult. Nothing found yet to sway my convictions.

    7. “Just as having to blindly defend one with as much baggage as Mr. Gingrich would be naive”

    I haven’t seen you shake my views on Newt. Not blind here. How many sources on Newt have I used here ? Safe to say MORE THAN YOU. Not all I have examined are here. I hear something on Fox or liberal site I google.

    I have no assumption of guilt either. If Pelosi had Newt she would of hung him way back in the 90‘s. Was not saved to tell when he was running for President against obuma.

    8. “Especially when his so called site to answer questions is vague with the facts”

    Finding a all inclusive answer, from any candidate, good luck in your endeavor. Embedded concerning F/F was I believe Newt was for investigation into that part private and public loan thing. I’ve read where some want Newt to give back the $$$ 1.6 million. Some without proof of wrong doing. Sure you have question after question. Each answer brings up new question. Is why I don’t play that game with your list. Family refusing me the time to go that route with you.

    You’re unhappy about most of the candidates. Could see you spend the whole day in a candy store debating what to buy with your dime.

    ********************
    9. “Just what does a “Historian”(the name he gave his duties while taking Freddie Mac’s money)do? Why did Mr.Gingrich release only 1 (thats ONE)years records out of his 5 years with Freddie Mac?He admits to receiving only $30,000. in that one year where is the rest of the $1.6 million?”

    Again you want me to do the leg work. Since you read my link on Newt answers, you know money was spread out among employees and cities. YOU DID READ MY LINK ? Could of watched video interview. Did you read embedded links ? By your questions NO.

    No wonder you found Newt’s answer “vague”. “You listen but do not hear”… Newt is not a free target with me around.

    ********************

    10. Number 9 says a LOT ABOUT YOU. Good reason for you to stop. Instead of on top of high horse he drags you…

    11. “I much rather would listen to a good musical than listen to your razzle dazzle tap dance around giving answers so I won’t even bother asking anything further”

    I am not a paid consultant for you. I don’t have need to answer your questions. You showed NO SIGN of understanding link I gave.

    You have my role here screwed up. I express my view on topics of my choosing. You do your own homework unless Landreaux wants to.

  • D.D.Mao

    “Our past makes us who we are today.”
    “Billy Flynn” Hedges….19th January 2012 @9:11 PM

    Those are your words!From what we can see and the answers we receive to our questions from candidate Gingrich his past is what he is today and his past behavior does carry weight about his character.

    Sort of like the quote:
    “You can’t put lipstick on a pig.”…………………Sarah Palin

  • D.D.Mao

    “Billy Flynn”Hedges:

    Well there you go conviently ingoring any other poll that doesn’t favor your views again.

    The website “The Hill” has an article dated 27th January 2012 @7:55AM and entitled “Romney Opens Up Nine Point Lead Over Gingrich in Florida Poll”.It is written by Jonathan Easley and Cameron Joseph and is based on the Quinnipiac poll that shows Mr.Romney at 38% and Mr. Gingrich at 29% currently in Florida.

    P.S…… I sort of like the name you gave me “He who wears long pants”. It sounds like an indian chief!

  • “He Who Wears Long Pants”

    “You do your own homework unless Landreaux wants to.”
    “Billy Flynn” Hedges…27th January 2012 @7:02 PM

    Landreaux is the one who started this with his comment in the text of the article about Mr.Gingrich vague answers and “at least Mitt was not in bed with Fannie Mac” remember?

    Sorry you’re on your own!

  • Bill Hedges

    ******************** No Response among others ********************
    9. “Just what does a “Historian”(the name he gave his duties while taking Freddie Mac’s money)do? Why did Mr.Gingrich release only 1 (thats ONE)years records out of his 5 years with Freddie Mac?He admits to receiving only $30,000. in that one year where is the rest of the $1.6 million?”

    Again you want me to do the leg work. Since you read my link on Newt answers, you know money was spread out among employees and cities. YOU DID READ MY LINK ? Could of watched video interview. Did you read embedded links ? By your questions NO.

    No wonder you found Newt’s answer “vague”. “You listen but do not hear”… Newt is not a free target with me around.

    ******************

    You had a bad hair day comments

    1. Constantly have said you should wear long pants. Rarely do I consider you wearing them when you discuss Newt. Not sure of your fixation on him. Anyhow was not giving you a name like Indians use to do. First thing seen when born I believe was custom.

    3. There are a lot of polls. Can’t expect me to follow each one. Gallup is a regular one for me.

    You look like a fool saying “Well there you go conviently ingoring any other poll that doesn’t favor your views again”. BRAINLESS COMMENT. Do I check many polls each day ? Gallup most of time. I did come across that State poll after writing here and going to liberal site.

    4. Your quote of me has you assuming much from my short quote you provided. We learn from our mistakes not as you say was my meaning. Should of just flat out said what you wanted. Instead of misquoting me out of context:

    “Then comes the inevitable LAST MINUTE ACCUSATIONS. Little time to rebuff. Newt wanted open marriage to 2nd ex-wife. Going to be on all news I bet. Constantly. Children have already come forward backing their Dad. As Newt is noted to do, he has admitted mistakes as he did to ethic committee. Taking grap is not his style. Though he shows restraint condemning his ex.. I am divorced and made misstates. Assuming Newt wanted open marriage and then cheated. So ? Taking this entire paragraph into consideration, what does it matter. Our past makes us who we are today. Our success and failures makes Newt the man he is today. obuma did illegal drugs and voters choice to elect. Yes D.D. Mao God used Moses with mistress. Need I mention all the adultery people whose name still stand on monuments today and have Days set aside for them when questions exist”

    Say what you will. Don’t use my quote to your will. I understand you are new to doing things MY WAY…

  • D.D.Mao

    “Billy Flynn” Hedges:

    “Not sure of your fixation on him” My fixation? I’m not the one trumpting a NATIONAL POLITICAL CANDIDATE WITH SO MUCH BAGGAGE FOR LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD.I’m just trying to find out why you give him so much credence.

    “I understand you are new to doing things MY WAY”……”Billy Flynn” Hedges 28th January @ 1:39AM

    I know your way is using a dog chasing his tail answering as a line of defense but is your way complaining to Nate about my post and having my post moderated? Because thats whats happening.I understand your way is throwing morals and integrity out the window when you can use the same twisted logic as liberals about what a candidate can do for you if he is in office.I understand when a quote comes back to bite you on the butt you simply use the ploy it was taken out of context.I understand that you cherrypick facts and information to support your theories and conviently ignore those that don’t.I understand you when you take the defense mode of attacking the questioner with put downs when you don’t want to answer a question.And finally I understand you when you SWAMP US WITH LINKS which either doesn’t answer the question or SUPPORTS THE CASE AGAINST YOUR ARGUEMENT BUT SOMEHOW YOU INSIST THEY DO.Again sounding like a liberal when they insist “If only the public was smart enough to understand.

    If you can’t afford the time(“Family refusing me the time to go that route with you” 27th January @ 7:02PM)we understand but just cut to the meat of the arguement instead of this constant razzle dazzle tap dancing.

  • Bill Hedges

    I suppose someone who thinks Cain cheated on his wife because woman, many of whom are connected with WH, then denies, but forced to faced reality when I pull out quote, would think I am character from a musical. It must be degrading to face fact ones high standards are meant for others not themselves.

    Then another can not say Martin Luther King, Ike, and especially Thomas Jefferson cheated. I do await the logic. Honesty and double standard issues I DARE TO POINT OUT A FLAW OF YOURS. Makes sense to make fun of me. You must be devastated with embarrassment. Naturally others must be brought down TO YOUR LEVEL. Misery loves company.

    NOW IS you who has desire to “find out why you (I) give him so much credence”. Let’s see, $$$ 16 trillion in loans to Europe banks and Wall Street plus $$$ 15 trillion national debt and I want man who balanced budget and cut cost to create surplus through CONTRACT WITH AMERICA. Have no idea why I am for Newt. He worked with both sides and got job done. Talk about a guy that performs UNDER HEAT. Is it one or two years under investigation by ethic committee. 70 + charges. All dropped put one. That one expanded to two. Concerned class taught for free and IRS issues. Remember ethic committee gave prior approval for this. Issue among others, being partisan. A few minor charges Newt admitted to guilt. Leading to $$$ 300,00 payment to cover some of cost of investigation. Newt found innocent in court years later. Who else could come out so clean under such investigation ? I’ve found more wrong in you in this short exchange.

    I can’t find “I understand you are new to doing things MY WAY”……”Billy Flynn” Hedges 28th January @ 1:39AM”. Just something close.

    Back to again ignored comment (won’t go away):

    ************* No Response among others*************

    “Just what does a “Historian”(the name he gave his duties while taking Freddie Mac’s money)do? Why did Mr.Gingrich release only 1 (thats ONE)years records out of his 5 years with Freddie Mac?He admits to receiving only $30,000. in that one year where is the rest of the $1.6 million?”

    Again you want me to do the leg work. Since you read my link on Newt answers, you know money was spread out among employees and cities. YOU DID READ MY LINK ? Could of watched video interview. Did you read embedded links ? By your questions NO.

    No wonder you found Newt’s answer “vague”. “You listen but do not hear”… Newt is not a free target with me around.

    ******************

    You had a bad hair day comments

    1. Constantly have said you should wear long pants. Rarely do I consider you wearing them when you discuss Newt. Not sure of your fixation on him. Anyhow was not giving you a name like Indians use to do. First thing seen when born I believe was custom.

    3. There are a lot of polls. Can’t expect me to follow each one. Gallup is a regular one for me.

    You look like a fool saying “Well there you go conviently ingoring any other poll that doesn’t favor your views again”. BRAINLESS COMMENT. Do I check many polls each day ? Gallup most of time. I did come across that State poll after writing here and going to liberal site.

    4. Your quote of me has you assuming much from my short quote you provided. We learn from our mistakes not as you say was my meaning. Should of just flat out said what you wanted. Instead of misquoting me out of context:

    “Then comes the inevitable LAST MINUTE ACCUSATIONS. Little time to rebuff. Newt wanted open marriage to 2nd ex-wife. Going to be on all news I bet. Constantly. Children have already come forward backing their Dad. As Newt is noted to do, he has admitted mistakes as he did to ethic committee. Taking grap is not his style. Though he shows restraint condemning his ex.. I am divorced and made misstates. Assuming Newt wanted open marriage and then cheated. So ? Taking this entire paragraph into consideration, what does it matter. Our past makes us who we are today. Our success and failures makes Newt the man he is today. obuma did illegal drugs and voters choice to elect. Yes D.D. Mao God used Moses with mistress. Need I mention all the adultery people whose name still stand on monuments today and have Days set aside for them when questions exist”

    Say what you will. Don’t use my quote to your will. I understand you are new to doing things MY WAY…

  • Bill Hedges

    Part 2

    I never hit the “Report Comment” on your comments. Never email Nate. I warned you about your insulting. Your comments have degenerated into a nasty dun heap. Instead of political discussion. I try to interject politics and you go ballistic with wild allegations. I recently repeated same politically related statement which you ignore. Do that a lot. I go through your comments point by point many times. You CHERRY PICK. I MUST repeat. This on things YOU SAID. NOT new stuff.

    You don’t think Nate and Conservative lady come to site ? From your latest outburst, you’ve learned nothing being moderated. Dust yourself off and add some CLASS.

    Nothing but crazy saying “cherrypick facts and information to support your theories and conviently ignore those that don’t.” (you know this as fact ? Taped into my computer ?Monitoring me under the Patriot Act ?) As your spelling gets worse you go more bizarre. I know all the polls and “cherrypick”? I guess if I wrote a dissertation it would have to be a novel. No facts could be left out and responsible to know facts unknown to me or I would be accused of “cherrypick”. Weird !!!

  • D.D.Mao

    “Billy Flynn” Hedges:

    It’s making sense now the same vultures who picked apart the bones of Conservatism to further their “Big Government Conservatism under President Bush(“W”)would turn a blind eye to morals and integrity by putting lipstick on this pig and attempting to sell it to us under the guise of Conservatism.

    Now for your personal attacks on me:

    Obviously your definition of “class” and my definition of class differ.Yes I do tend to ignore responding to your trivial “gotcha’s” and focus more on the important issues.I learnt that little trick of your’s when you drove J.D. nuts.You accuse me of going ballistic? All anyone has to do is re-read your last paragraph on your 11:01PM post if you want to see ballistic.But then we have come to expect that of you.If conservative Lady can pick out anything I said that was off color or bad taste I will apologize.As far as being “devastated with embarrassment”? I’m only embarrassed I let this merry go round conversation of yours last 67 comments.

  • Bill Hedges

    You know you are being monitored. Hum.

    Class to you is saying Cain cheated. Then denied you said it. That is not class in my book.

    You write “Yes I do tend to ignore responding to your trivial “gotcha’s” and focus more on the important issues”. Really ???:

    Back to again ignored comment (won’t go away):

    ************* No Response among others*************

    “Just what does a “Historian”(the name he gave his duties while taking Freddie Mac’s money)do? Why did Mr.Gingrich release only 1 (thats ONE)years records out of his 5 years with Freddie Mac?He admits to receiving only $30,000. in that one year where is the rest of the $1.6 million?”

    Again you want me to do the leg work. Since you read my link on Newt answers, you know money was spread out among employees and cities. YOU DID READ MY LINK ? Could of watched video interview. Did you read embedded links ? By your questions NO.

    No wonder you found Newt’s answer “vague”. “You listen but do not hear”… Newt is not a free target with me around.

    *****************

  • D.D.Mao

    “Billy Flynn” Hedges:

    “Newt is not a free target with me around”
    Billy Flynn hedges 29thJanuary 2012 @ 1:43AM

    No he’s not free! Your boy it seems is bought and paid for by Fannie Mac unless he provides more information.
    He released 1 YEARS RECORDS OUT OF 5 YEARS OF WORKING FOR THEM.You can spread it out to as many cities as you want but YOU STILL HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE MONEY AND PROVIDE RECORDS!YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE AN ACCOUNTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT!

  • Bill Hedges

    Part 2

    First you wrote:

    “Well there you go conviently ingoring any other poll that doesn’t favor your views again”.

    “Conviently ingoring” ??? Mind reader D.D. Mao…

    Then:

    “cherrypick facts and information to support your theories and conviently ignore those that don’t.”

    I have to believe you are using Patriot Act to bug my computer or you are going “bizarre” or “weird”. Unless you can READ MY MIND. THEN YOU SAID CAIN CHEATED…

  • Bill Hedges

    Since you read my earlier link provided in embedded link, you know during that time Newt said F/F needed investigation. Just like Bush in this link:

    “Nancy Pelosi (D) Caught Lying: Says Bush Didn’t Warn Congress About Financial Crisis”

    http://friskaliberal.wordpress.com/2010/05/04/nancy-pelosi-d-caught-lying-says-bush-didn%E2%80%99t-warn-congress-about-financial-crisis/

    Now answer this:

    ************* No Response among others*************

    “Just what does a “Historian”(the name he gave his duties while taking Freddie Mac’s money)do? Why did Mr.Gingrich release only 1 (thats ONE)years records out of his 5 years with Freddie Mac?He admits to receiving only $30,000. in that one year where is the rest of the $1.6 million?”

    Again you want me to do the leg work. Since you read my link on Newt answers, you know money was spread out among employees and cities. YOU DID READ MY LINK ? Could of watched video interview. Did you read embedded links ? By your questions NO.

    No wonder you found Newt’s answer “vague”. “You listen but do not hear”… Newt is not a free target with me around.

    ****************

  • D.D.Mao

    I refer you to my 1:20 AM and my 2:09 Am post!

  • Bill Hedges

    Am sure you are aware of “confidentiality agreements ”.

    Guess you are getting me to do your leg work. Will be having you do same.

    Add specifics:

    “It’s making sense now the same vultures who picked apart the bones of Conservatism to further their “Big Government Conservatism under President Bush(”W”)would turn a blind eye to morals and integrity by putting lipstick on this pig and attempting to sell it to us under the guise of Conservatism”
    ___

    Jan 23, 2012 7:56am

    “Newt Gingrich Wants Freddie Mac Records Released Before Florida Primary”

    “In response to lobbying accusations from his opponents Newt Gingrich told me it would be “very helpful” if his former company, Center for Health Transformation, released the consulting contract he had with mortgage giant Freddie Mac before the Florida primary on January 31.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/newt-gingrich-wants-freddie-mac-records-released-before-florida-primary/

    “Behind a G.O.P. Revolt, Ideology and Politics ”
    July 26, 2008

    “I believe rewarding, encouraging and reinforcing risky investments should not be the role of the government and certainly shouldn’t be financed by taxpayers,” said Representative Roy Blunt of Missouri, the No. 2 Republican, in explaining his stance against the bill.”

    “Former Speaker Newt Gingrich spoke at a private party meeting before the vote and joined Mr. Boehner in encouraging Republicans to oppose the measure, rallying lawmakers who remember that it was Mr. Gingrich’s ideas that prevailed in the halcyon days of the Republican revolution.”

    “Some Republicans, who had already been moving away from the president on domestic issues, say the vote was not all that risky. They knew that the bill, enjoying solid support from Senate Republicans, would become law, and so they could not be held accountable for scuttling it if the economy crashed.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/26/washington/26cong.html

    Watch video on F/F

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vsLEw-7Lqo4#!

  • Bill Hedges

    Since you read my earlier link provided in embedded link, you know during that time Newt said F/F needed investigation. Just like Bush in this link:

    “Nancy Pelosi (D) Caught Lying: Says Bush Didn’t Warn Congress About Financial Crisis”

    http://friskaliberal.word…..al-crisis/

    Now answer this:

    ************* No Response among others*************

    “Just what does a “Historian”(the name he gave his duties while taking Freddie Mac’s money)do? Why did Mr.Gingrich release only 1 (thats ONE)years records out of his 5 years with Freddie Mac?He admits to receiving only $30,000. in that one year where is the rest of the $1.6 million?”

    Again you want me to do the leg work. Since you read my link on Newt answers, you know money was spread out among employees and cities. YOU DID READ MY LINK ? Could of watched video interview. Did you read embedded links ? By your questions NO.

    No wonder you found Newt’s answer “vague”. “You listen but do not hear”… Newt is not a free target with me around.

    ***************

    In other words you got caught. You didn’t read. You’re a complainer and your view is it… Another JD…

  • Bill Hedges

    Guess any poll you want to post D.D. Mao you will have to do. Is how it is done on liberal site and here. Am not my brother’s keeper.

    “Gingrich Maintaining Grip on New Lead”

    “Romney slumps to 24%, his lowest level since before Iowa caucuses”

    January 27, 2012

    “Newt Gingrich is now the candidate of choice for 32% of Republican voters nationwide, his highest level of support this year. The 24% supporting Mitt Romney is his lowest.”

    Jan 23-27, 2012 – “GOP ballot support updates daily at 1 p.m. ET; reflects one-day change. General election trial heats update periodically.”

    “GOP BALLOT SUPPORT”

    “CHANGE”

    “Romney

    26%

    +2

    Gingrich

    32%

    Paul

    13%

    -1

    Santorum

    13%

    Other

    2%

    -1

    “TRIAL HEAT”

    “CHANGE”

    “Obama

    50%

    +3

    Romney

    48%

    +2

    TRIAL HEAT

    CHANGE

    Obama

    50%

    Gingrich

    48%

    +4“

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx

  • D.D.Mao

    “Billy Flynn” Hedges:

    “Newt wants Freddie Mac Records released before Florida primary.”….Billy Flynn Hedges post @2:54AM

    Well it would be nice if Mr.Gingrich wants the records released lets see if he follows through with this or it’s just him deflecting blame to Freddie Mac for not releasing the information.The following is quoted almost exactly from an article by Kathleen Parker in the Washington Post 25th January 2012 entitled “Gingrich Walks a Fine Line On Lobbying”. “Mr.Gingrich has been walking a fine line on his lobbying issue.The law is very specific about what constitutes lobbying,having to do with how many times one meets and speaks with a particular group.If you just come under the number then tecnically you are within legal bounds.I’m sure Mr.Gingrich is well aware of what the law allows and in 2000 he even hired the co-author of the legal text on lobbying to advise him.Even if you meet only once with a high level government official to advance a position for WHICH YOU ARE BEING PAID does anyone believe this doesn’t constitute lobbying? In addition according to Bloomberg News Mr.Gingrich has been paid $55 million between 2001 and 2010 by companies involved with healthcare industry.When asked what the companies received in return Mr.Gingrich told the Washington Post that they got to visit with “a really important guy who really knows a lot and who really has lots of information.” THAT PERSON WOULD BE MR.GINGRICH.He also earned more than a million dollars from drugmaker Novo Nordisk.The companies annual report to shareholders list Mr.Gingrich under “Public Policy Activites” which the company added “are often refered to as LOBBYING”.Mr. Gingrich has insisted that throughout these dealings he was merely acting as a private concerned citizen,chatting with his colleagues.This may be the case but most people don’t get paid millions to shoot the bull over lucrative legislative initiatives.As Humpty Dumpt said to Alice “When I use a word it means just what I choose it to mean…nothing more nothing less.” Or as President Clinton was fond of saying “It depends on your meaning of the word is.”

    I don’t think my comment about vultures in the conservative wing needs any more explaination it’s pretty obvious. If not try looking at your candidate and in the mirror.You supported both of these candidates mentioned.

    “Yes I tend to ignore responding to your trivial gotcha’s and focus more on the important issues.”
    (my post from 1:20 AM)
    I know you will bring this up as proof I don’t read your links so I will cover it now.You parse each word on the most trivial items dissecting them over and over in an attempt to frustrate your audience,deflect from answering meaningful questions and playing gotcha.As I said watching you do this to J.D. might have been amusing BUT

    THAT CAROSEL IS CLOSED!

  • Bill Hedges

    ************* No Response among others*************

    “Just what does a “Historian”(the name he gave his duties while taking Freddie Mac’s money)do? Why did Mr.Gingrich release only 1 (thats ONE)years records out of his 5 years with Freddie Mac?He admits to receiving only $30,000. in that one year where is the rest of the $1.6 million?”

    Again you want me to do the leg work. Since you read my link on Newt answers, you know money was spread out among employees and cities. YOU DID READ MY LINK ? Could of watched video interview. Did you read embedded links ? By your questions NO.

    No wonder you found Newt’s answer “vague”. “You listen but do not hear”… Newt is not a free target with me around.

    ***************

  • Bill Hedges

    BAD news for buma with ALL THE BAD NEWS COMING OUT about Newt. Newt is CLIMBING HIGHER…

    “RCP Average 1/5 – 1/28 — Obama 51.5 Newt 39.1 Obama +12.4”

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

    Newt has gone UP in polls reently:

    Gallup poll is newer from Jan 24-28, 2012

    “TRIAL HEAT

    CHANGE

    Obama

    50%

    Gingrich

    48%

    +4 ”

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx

  • Bill Hedges

    Part 3

    Do explain how I dissected your statements into you saying Cain cheated, you denied, then I quoted you showing you did. You do these things to yourself. You revealed yourself as a liar. JD hated my doing that to him as you obviously do. No one likes to be proved a liar. When words are in print it occurs and is verifiable. I provided the quotes.

    I provided answers to your questions. You ignore my answers and ask same old questions. You do not dispute my link information you simple ignore. You have no learning curve if it differs from your conception of Newt.

    Don’t like my style, simple, stop writing on this article. Few comments by me on this site unless about Newt. He is my main interest…

  • D.D.Mao

    While listening to Mr.Gingrich recently something in the back of my mind said “Where have I heard this before?” While Mr.Gingrich says he is a “Reagan Republican” he was hardly preaching a “Shining City on the Hill”. No he was preaching the blustery rhetoric of Pat Bucanans “peasants storming the castle with pitchforks”.

    If Mr.Gingrich is elected President he will take the oath of office which includes “Faithfully execute the Constitution…..” Perhaps we should be concerned about his definition of the word “execute”.Mr.Gingrich recently came out with the statement that “He would ignore Supreme Court rulings that didn’t agree with his views”.This engine of tyranny by King Newt is subordinating the Constitution to his own ideological prepossessions.It would give the Progressives their “Living Constitution” where laws will change like a banana republic with each new administration. Freedom is not the absence of Laws,Freedom is the Rule of Law.If the Tea Party stood for anything it is following the Constitution and the Rule of Law. But then Mr.Gingrich has a history of NOT TAKING OATHS SERIOUS…..just ask his ex-wives.

    Mr.Bucanan and Mr.Gingrich both initially made a name for themselves with their pugnacity and attacking the establishment Republican.However these pyrotechnicians and noisemakers under scrutiny eventually showed the same ability to turn voters off.Conservatives once again need to measure the weight of your conscience.

    “Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
    President John F. Kennedy

  • Bill Hedges

    1. “Faithfully execute the Constitution…..”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/19/newt-gingrich-ignore-supreme-court-president

    Constitution has been amended. Exactly where in the Constitution is Roe v Wade ? Giving constitutional rights to those in Gitmo ?

    2. “But then Mr.Gingrich has a history of NOT TAKING OATHS SERIOUS…..just ask his ex-wives”

    And Cain cheated on his wife too. No proof. DD Mao doesn’t need. But I need more than DNA to say Thomas Jefferson cheated with slave.

    3. “showed the same ability to turn voters off.”

    BAD news for buma with ALL THE BAD NEWS COMING OUT about Newt. Newt is CLIMBING HIGHER…

    “RCP Average 1/5 – 1/28 — Obama 51.5 Newt 39.1 Obama +12.4”

    http://www.realclearpolit…..dates.html

    Newt has gone UP in polls reently:

    Gallup poll is newer from Jan 24-28, 2012

    “TRIAL HEAT

    CHANGE

    Obama

    50%

    Gingrich

    48%

    +4 ”

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx

  • Bill Hedges

    The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie — deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.

    John F. Kennedy

  • D.D.Mao

    “Billy Flynn” Hedges:

    I don’t exactly understand the point you are trying to make in #1 of your 8:32 PM post concerning the Constitution? Please clarify.

  • Bill Hedges

    “We believe … in obedience to, and respect for the judicial department of government. We think its decisions on Constitutional questions, when fully settled, should control, not only the particular cases decided, but the general policy of the country, subject to be disturbed only by amendments of the Constitution as provided in that instrument itself. More than this would be revolution. But we think the Dred Scott decision is erroneous”

    Abe Lincoln

    http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h88.html

    “At the establishment of our constitutions, the judiciary bodies were supposed to be the most helpless and harmless members of the government. Experience, however, soon showed in what way they were to become the most dangerous; that the insufficiency of the means provided for their removal gave them a freehold and irresponsibility in office; that their decisions, seeming to concern individual suitors only, pass silent and unheeded by the public at large; that these decisions, nevertheless, become law by precedent, sapping, by little and little, the foundations of the constitution, and working its change by construction, before any one has perceived that that invisible and helpless worm has been busily employed in consuming its substance. In truth, man is not made to be trusted for life, if secured against all liability to account.” – Letter to Monsieur A. Coray, October 31, 1823

    Thomas Jefferson

    http://www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/quotes-by-thomas-jefferson.html#ixzz1l0Ml112j

  • D.D.Mao

    “Billy Flynn” Hedges:

    O.K. After reading it three times I think I understand you now.I am assuming you should have put a question mark after “Constitution has been amended?”Asking why abortion and giving war prisoners rights is legal if it isn’t mentioned specificlly in the Constitution…..am I correct?

    As you are aware of our government is split up into three distictive branches the executive,the judicial and the legislative.OUR CONSTITUTION OUTLINES THE DUTIES OF EACH OF THESE BRANCHES.WHILE THE PRESIDENT CAN VETO LEGISLATION FROM CONGRESS NOWHERE DOES IT GIVE HIM THE RIGHT TO VETO JUDICAL DECISIONS IN THE CONSTITUTION. The judical branch is supposed to interpet the Constitution but as of the past 80 years has used judicial activism in it’s decisions.Is this the correct way the court should be run? NO! But as was mentioned in the article you gave as a link in the Guardian the route to take is appointing judges who will follow the Constitution.Also as was mentioned by me(and mentioned in the Guardian article)we would be a banana republic with our laws changing with each administration and not worth the paper it’s printed on.The CONSTITUTION IS A LEGAL DOCUMENT AND THE LAW OF THE LAND WHICH WAS MEANT AS AN OUTLINE FOR THE FORM OUR GOVERNMENT SHOULD TAKE.IF IT WAS TO BE SPECIFIC AND INCLUDE EVERY ITEM INCLUDING ABORTION AND SUCH IT WOULD RUN THOUSANDS OF PAGES LIKE THE EUROPEAN UNIONS CHARTER.If we have a President who makes his own laws he is no better than a monach and our Constitution should start out instead of “We the people…..” His majesty KING NEWT” Ignoring the LAW OF THE LAND AND MAKING UP YOUR OWN LAWS IS PARAMOUNT TO A COUP D’ETAT AND TREASON.

  • D.D.Mao

    “Billy Flynn” Hedges:

    Upon reading the quote you provided by President Lincoln after he states he believes in obedience and respect for the judicial branch you NEED TO LOOK CLOSELY AT THE NEXT TO LAST LINE OF THE QUOTE.THE LINE WHERE HE STATES”MORE THAN THIS WOULD BE REVOLUTION”.This is the same thing I wrote about a coup d’ etat in my 12:26 AM post.Sure Dred Scott was erroneous but THAT WAS IN 1857 BEFORE AMENDMENTS WERE ADDED TO THE CONSTITUTION GIVING SLAVES FULL CITIZENSHIP.ALSO NO WHERE IN EITHER ONE DOES PRESIDENT JEFFERSON OR LINCOLN SUGGEST IGNORING THE COURTS.

  • Bill Hedges

    Don’t write things you are unwilling to defend. Is as childish as calling me “Billy Flynn” (Have decided to hit REPORT COMMENT on any future insults. Enough is enough). Name calling is immature. I refer to you as D.D. Mao. Not my fault you said Cain cheated and then you denied. Did it to yourself along with your other smear indiscretion:

    Like 1, 2, and 3.

    Constitution has been amended. No question mark.

    Bush started and buma continued using non-court ordered wire taps. Patriot Act. buma also continued court case and finally won. Previous to winning in court taps were illegal. So if President, Newt can say not give constitutional rights to non-Americans at Gitmo. Newt could use Presidential order. At least until court trial is settled.

    Nothing you wrote shows me you read first link provided. Rights for those at Gitmo and Roe v Wade must have basis in Constitution. WHAT IS IT ? Court is suppose to not legislate but determining the Constitutionality. Interpreting Constitution. That is THEIR DUTY. Appears Court is outside their powers. “His majesty KING”(another insult at play) JEFFERSON had similar concerns. Point of bringing in A. Lincoln and T. Jefferson quotes is concern other Presidents have with Supreme Court. This insult “His majesty KING” is malarkey. No threat of over-throwing Supreme Court. Try reading first link. Must I post the entire article on site ?

    From Jefferson quote, Newt wants “liability to account”. If you read my first link, Newt would use Presidential order. Suite would ensue in court and/or legislation…
    _____

    You want to say STUFF, then ignore answer. Let’s end that practice. Might make you think before you write:

    2. “But then Mr.Gingrich has a history of NOT TAKING OATHS SERIOUS…..just ask his ex-wives”

    And Cain cheated on his wife too. No proof. DD Mao doesn’t need. But I need more than DNA to say Thomas Jefferson cheated with slave.

    3. “showed the same ability to turn voters off.”

    BAD news for buma with ALL THE BAD NEWS COMING OUT about Newt. Newt is CLIMBING HIGHER…

    “RCP Average 1/5 – 1/28 — Obama 51.5 Newt 39.1 Obama +12.4”

    http://www.realclearpolit…..dates.html

    Newt has gone UP in polls recently:

    Gallup poll is newer from Jan 24-28, 2012

    “TRIAL HEAT

    CHANGE

    Obama

    50%

    Gingrich

    48%

    +4 ”

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx

    ************* No Response among others*************

    “Just what does a “Historian”(the name he gave his duties while taking Freddie Mac’s money)do? Why did Mr.Gingrich release only 1 (thats ONE)years records out of his 5 years with Freddie Mac?He admits to receiving only $30,000. in that one year where is the rest of the $1.6 million?”

    Again you want me to do the leg work. Since you read my link on Newt answers, you know money was spread out among employees and cities. YOU DID READ MY LINK ? Could of watched video interview. Did you read embedded links ? By your questions NO.

    No wonder you found Newt’s answer “vague”. “You listen but do not hear”… Newt is not a free target with me around.

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  • D.D.Mao

    The President DOES NOT HAVE THE POWER TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION! ANY CHANGES HAS TO BE APPROVED BY TWO THIRDS OF THE STATES AND THEN GO TO THE PUBLIC TO VOTE ON.This is why the Equal rights Amendment and a marriage amendment found it so tough to go through.IT’S RIGHT THERE IN THE CONSTITUTION ON HOW THINGS NEED TO BE DONE.PRESIDENTIAL ORDERS CAN NOT OVERRIDE THE CONSTITUTION.THIS IS WHY THESE TWO YAHOO’S WE HAD AS PRESIDENT ARE SO DANGEROUS.READ THE CONSTITUTION!

    Your quotes by past Presidents on having concerns with the court while interesting but it DOESN’T MEAN THEY IGNORED THE COURT.Yes the courts INTERPERTATION OF THE CONSTITUTION IS STRECHED BUT THE KEY WORD HERE IS INTERPERTATION.That is their job “TO INTERPERT” and their is nothing you can do about it.That is why every election we hear how important it is to get a CONSERVATIVE elected so he can appoint CONSERVATIVE judges.

    The rest of your rambling is just a continuation of your merry go round tactics and has either been answered earlier by me (example:see 29th January @ 2:09AM)or dwells on the insignificant.If you wish to hit the “Report Comment” button at least we now know who did it before and DON’T WANT TO HEAR THE TRUTH.

  • D.D.Mao

    Our rights as explained in the Constitution have been eroding over the years as government takes over more and more of our lives.The President who put it on the fast track was F.D.Roosevelt.When his alphabet agencies were overturned by the Supreme Court as unconstitutional he tried to pack the Supreme Court with more justices in 1937.When that was put down he settled for appointing four justices(Hugo Black,William Douglas,Robert Jackson and Felix Frankfuter)who were liberals and would follow his New Deal programs.As explained in the book “Scorpions” by Noah Feldman these justices followed a legal thought which was then called “legal realism”.”These proponents of legal realism objected to the way law had generally been studied and taught at the time……as a body of rules and principles that could be found in legal treatises and used by judges to decide cases. To realist law was not what judges said in formal rulings. Rather law consisted in what legal actors actually did in the real world.On the surface the law might look like a body of rules.But social,psychological,and especially economic forces determined results.The notion that law was a neutral scientific system the realists believed was an elaborate cover for enforcing the preference of those in power.”

    SOME OF THE OTHER RIGHTS which are being coerced from what is in the Constitution are:

    1) Government agencies passing laws.The Constitution states “only Congress will have the authority to pass laws” Today we have the E.P.A. Food and Drugs,Housing and every other agency passing laws which carry fines.

    2)Congress holding hearings: The purpose of Congress is to pass laws. The purpose of the judicial branch is to hold hearings.

    3)Wars Act: Right after the Vietnam War Congress tried to rein in the Presidents power to sent troops for an unspecified amount of time anywhere he pleases.ONLY CONGRESS HAS THE RIGHT TO DECLARE WAR.

    4)Court rulings following “International Laws” in their rulings: Justice Ginsburg shows no regrets about following this practice.

    5) Appointing “Czars” who have unlimited powers and are answerable only to the President.

    If the Tea Party stood for anything it was to follow the Constitution and the Rule of Law. We are getting further and further away from this.

  • Bill Hedges

    I am not a expert of the mechanics on amending. Have general idea. Do know President can’t do. Is not in Constitution for abortion. That it be paid for with public money. I don’t like abortion but early abortion (not late) I feel is woman’s right. But not paid for by me. SHOW ME WHERE ABOTION AND RIGHTS GIVEN TO FOREIGN TERRORIST (committed in foreign lands) is in Constitution. Since it is not if elected Newt could sign Presidential order.

    Patriot Act was passed. Non-court ordered wire taps was done. Court ruled parts legal. Non-court ordered wire taps legal with exceptions I suppose. I know Bush could of waited years for final court decision. Many Americans WOULD BE DEAD. I back Bush. I must be missing something, what were the “PRESIDENTIAL ORDERS CAN NOT OVERRIDE THE CONSTITUTION” that Newt (Bush as well if you want to expand) wants to do. Give reference to part of Constitution that they go against. You never gave for abortion or rights of terrorist in Gitmo. Terrorist ARE NOT SOLDERS. NO UNIFORM. I’VE read the Constitution. Give me pertinent parts that you are talking about. Be specific. Hate generalities.

    “Your quotes by past Presidents on having concerns with the court while interesting but it DOESN’T MEAN THEY IGNORED THE COURT…” Why T. Jefferson said life term too long. As Courts stretch so do laws passed and Presidential orders.

    I stop at your “The rest of your rambling is just a continuation of your merry go round tactics ”. You wrote, for example:

    “Just what does a “Historian”(the name he gave his duties while taking Freddie Mac’s money)do? Why did Mr.Gingrich release only 1 (thats ONE)years records out of his 5 years with Freddie Mac?He admits to receiving only $30,000. in that one year where is the rest of the $1.6 million?”

    Having you answer for your remarks is being responsible. I gave link with many answers to your question which YOU IGNORED. Assume you are responsible though you refuse to be. Understand does not put you in good light when you say Cain cheated then you denied you said it. Then, you did it to yourself like holding oath but not with wife. Two words you wish not to use _ “was wrong”… You are allowed “rambling” but not held up to answer for.

    Don’t forget to answer THIS FIRST. My response will follow then. Otherwise will direct my messages to Landreaux. Will go back to a few comments here a month…

  • Bill Hedges

    Your reading skills need improvement. I have yet to hit “report comment” on you as I have stated. You are a sad, sad person. Not everybody are like you.

  • D.D.Mao

    I believe the Patriot Act was passed by Congress so therefore it isn’t what we were discussing. What we were discussing is ignoring the Supreme court.As I said PRESIDENTIAL ORDERS CANOT OVER RIDE THE CONSTITUTION. THE WAY TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION IS CLEARLY OUTLINED IN ARTICLE V OF THE CONSTITUTION.

    I NEVER SAID TERRORIST HAD RIGHTS GIVEN TO THEM BY THE CONSTITUTION BUT THE COURTS.I ALSO AM AGAINST ABORTION HOWEVER ABORTION ACCORDING TO THE SUPREME COURT IS LEGAL AS THEY READ THE CONSTITUTION.(See Roe vs Wade)

    By suggesting that Presidents can over ride the Constitution it would be possible by your logic then that they can sign anything into law.After all who needs Congress then? If you have any concerns about Presidents letting the courts decide what is legal and what isn’t I suggest you ask President Bush(“W”) why when he signed the campaign finance bill (McCain/Feingold)he said he “believed it was unconstitutional but will sign it anyway and let the courts decide”? If President Jefferson said life terms for members of the court is to long (there isn’t any quote marks)THERE IS NO MENTION HE TRIED TO CHANGE IT!

    GOOD GRIEF MAN I GAVE YOU MY POST DATE AND TIME WHERE I ANSWERED MY REMARKS ABOUT MR.GINGRICH AND FANNIE MAC!…………DO YOU PROMISE ME YOU’LL DIRECT ALL YOUR ADVENTURES IN TRIVIALITY TO LANDREAUX FROM NOW ON?……OH HAPPY DAYS!

    AND THANK GOD NOT EVERYONE IS LIKE YOU EITHER!

  • Babs

    Hi D.D,

    Long time. Just wanted to say you have the patience of Job in this thread. I’m saving up myself – the nomination is not far away and then we can unite behind one candidate and start the real fight against the real problem.

    I’ve got my eye on Mitt. Newt needs to sit down – he’s just getting crazy with his comments. Makes us all look bad.

    Babs

  • D.D.Mao

    Bab’s:

    How great it was to hear from you again.I hope all is well there and it was only work that took you away so long.

    After his defeat in the Florida primary Mr.Gingrich (being known to be a historian)made remarks similar to another Republican who ran for President 100 years ago.Mr.Gingrich promised to have “People power defeat money power”.While running for President in 1912 Thoeodore Roosevelt embraced Constitutional reform stating that “The Constitution lent itself to the defense of the rich minority at the expense of the poor majority”.Mr.Roosevelt asked “Do you believe in the rule of the people? If you do you are with us .If not you are against us.” Sort of the 1912 version of the 99% railing against the 1% or Mr.Gingrich rage against Mr.Romney’s wealth.

    In addition Mr.Roosevelt devoted almost a third of his “A Charter of Democracy” speech at the Ohio Constitutional Convention (2February 1912)to the recall of judges and judicial decisions.Again similar to Mr.Gingrich recent announced intentions if elected.

    Both men are known to be champions of bold ideas but this is a very dangerous precedent to take as I explained in my earlier post.Mr.Roosevelt ran on the PROGRESSIVE ticket who’s idea of direct democracy is capable of foolish and tyrannical measures.It is reflected by human nature which is prone to error,subject to temptation and led astray by impulse.This is the same direction Mr.Gingrich is heading when he suggest his own interperting of Supreme Court decisions and having judges subpoenaed and dragged in to explain their rulings.As I know you are aware we must make our fellow Conservatives realize the Constitution list the seperation of powers and lays out how to properly ammend articles in it.The Constitution is not a living document but the Law of the Land and the power to interpert it as you want is tyrannical and akin to what PROGRESSIVES ADVOCATE TODAY.

    So as you can see this is not a new idea but one which has been around for over 100 years and therefore it takes the patience of Job to try to defeat it.

    Hope to hear more from you soon!