Dems Going Down With the ObamaCare Ship

If we all recall back to the time shortly after ObamaCare was passed in March, we’ll be remembering sound bites and quotes from Democratic strategists telling us that this legislation will become more popular over time and will inevitably help Democratic candidates in the 2010 midterms. Most of us knew that was hogwash at the time and now the “I told you so” moment has come to fruition.

Check this recent piece from Michael Barone on several key Democrat incumbents who publicly cast “Yes” votes for ObamaCare:

Take Betsy Markey of Colorado’s 4th Congressional District, who in 2008 beat a Republican who seemed fixated on the same-sex marriage issue. Markey cast a late-in-the-roll-call no in November, then publicly switched to yes in the week before the March 21 roll call. She’s currently trailing Republican Cory Gardiner by an average of 44 to 39 percent in three polls. Her Web site links to a video she cut the week after the vote saying she had “the honor” to vote for the bill. But otherwise it seems to be silent on the issue.

Or consider John Boccieri of Ohio’s 16th District, who switched from no to yes in a TV press conference in which he said the bill would do great things for his constituents. Boccieri’s district was represented by Republicans for 58 years until he was elected in 2008.

It looks like it will be again next year. In three polls Republican Jim Renacci leads Boccieri by an average of 46 to 36 percent. Boccieri’s Web site links to a recent interview in which he defends Obamacare and challenges opponents to say which provisions they’d give up.

Then there is Suzanne Kosmas, a longtime real estate agent who beat a Republican with an ethics issue in 2008 for Florida’s 24th District seat. She took announced her switch from no to yes late in the week before the roll call. She’s now running behind Republican Sandy Adams by an average of 47 to 40 percent in three recent polls.

To put these numbers in perspective, it’s highly unusual for an incumbent House member to trail a challenger in any poll or to run significantly below 50 percent. But these three Democrats are running 5 to 10 points behind Republican challengers and none tops 40 percent.

In essence, the ObamaCare vote was the greatest gift to Republican challengers this time around. The American public was vehemently against the passing of the legislation at that time and nothing has changed since then. I am just pleased to see that our memories on this issue haven’t waned as the Democrats had hoped.

None of these Democrats can run on a positive platform of having voted for ObamaCare. Rather, they are running away from their vote.

  • JD

    Yeah, I heard a friend say that they would stand on the Healthcare reform had congress just forced the single payer system and hadn’t passed the Watered Down bill that was.

    I mentioned this previously but there quite a few Dems who are not happy with what happened not because it was bad but because it wasn’t enough. They are pissed that Congress compromised for no reason since republican support would never have been there no matter the bill.

  • “I mentioned this previously but there quite a few Dems who are not happy with what happened not because it was bad but because it wasn’t enough.”

    I see, so that is why Dems are staying home and/or flipping Republican? Cause they hope the GOP will push a more socialized health care plan than the Democrats were able to pass?

    It couldn’t possibly be near 10% unemployment, increased government growth and the epic fail of nearly all Obama campaign promises, no. Republicans are poised to win because Democrats didn’t pass a full-blown single-payer system.

    JD, please volunteer to run some Democrat campaigns, I’d like to see them run on your advice of supporting a single-payer, government-run health care system.

    Please find me any Democrats touting their ObamaCare vote as reason to re-elect them.

  • JD

    No, I just mean, it could be why you see politicians “running away” (as you put it). I think had a single payer system been forced in, then I think you would see them sticking to their guns.

    As for your thought that Dems are flipping, well, that is as you see it. The truth is Dems may stay home but they are not flipping and, yes, there are many liberals who are irritated that their party had the chance to push their agenda and they didn’t do it.

    Finally, on the note of American’s wanting or not wanting Obamacare I would just add that most American’s don’t know what they want. They want to get rid of the national debt but don’t want their taxes to go up and they want to fight wars but not pay for them. The truth is the lifting of lifetime caps and pre-existing conditions are two examples of good measures and both are in the “obamacare”.

    Needless to say, you and I are going to be on different sides on this issue but lets not kid ourselves into thinking that most of this movement isn’t natural politics and that it didn’t happen for the Dems years back. Look at the line of history and ask yourself if America has become more liberal or conservative over the past 60 years?

  • Landreaux

    I believe that you have to accept the premise that if Dems felt they could have gotten single payer they would have. Many made it clear that this was just a “first step” that first step was clearly referencing a single payer system. We know, without doubt, that’s what the Progressive and leftward leaning Dems really, really wanted. If so, does it logically follow that considering JD’s opinion that the healthcare legislation was weak and still generated majority disapproval would that disapproval have been even more significant were a single payer system to have passed?

  • So this recent AP poll means nothing:

    Nearly two years after putting Obama in the White House, one-quarter of those who voted for the Democrat are defecting to the GOP or considering voting against the party in power this fall. Just half of them say they definitely will show up Nov. 2, according to an Associated Press-Knowledge Networks poll released two weeks before Obama’s first midterm elections.

    Some Democrats are voting against Obama’s policies, they are choosing to vote Republican in their congressional races. They are not as progressive as the President and they do not support a health care takeover, cap-and-tax or other disastrous policies.

    As for the assertion that Americans don’t know what they want, you’re partially correct. A good number of the electorate does indeed want lower taxes and more spending on public services, a dichotomy which leads to endless unhappiness of voters. I have witnessed it living in Upstate NY where people complain up and down about taxes but God-forbid you try to do anything about it like only open the DMV 4 days a week or any other cost-saving measure. They will scream about it.

    Therefore, it is up to the more informed part of the electorate to take charge and field candidates who will lower taxes by cutting the budget and they’ll have public backing to do so since people are waking up. A good portion of the electorate knows you cannot, in good conscience, spend us into a $13 trillion dollar debt like Obama has.

    The truth of the matter is that you can alleviate the debt by cutting spending significantly without raising taxes. It has been done in Louisiana, Virginia and New Jersey under competent Republican leadership. Look at New York, California, Michigan and others under incompetent Democrat leadership, they are in the toilet financially because they are following your line of thinking on tax/spend.

    I will take a Chris Christie or Bob McDonnell on the federal level and watch them do what they did at the state level. Cut spending, reduce government and do not raise taxes.

  • Bill Hedges

    Jd says “The truth is the lifting of lifetime caps and pre-existing conditions are two examples of good measures and both are in the “obamacare”.

    Raises heath cost as well. Raising limits been done for years. That and pre-existing In Republican plan right ?

    Things change but not always for the better. You can hope TEA will be a footnote come 2012 election. Liberals have shrunk to 20 %. Will they enter the 10’s. With barry’s help.

    Nate, I have never met a liberal who liked negative polls.
    ………..

    I qualify for early Medicare as well as Special Needs Plan because I have 2 major health issues. Is a good deal. Medicare more attune to our needs. And yes saves me money. Government does spend more because of my added benefits.

    SNP plans end in 2014. My cost is going up this year more than previously. The plan I have had since I qualified for SNP no longer exist next year. Got letter earlier this month. SNP plans must meet NEW GOVERNMENT RULES. (thank you obamacare). My cost for medicine goes up. I take all generic drugs but for insulin. Insulin alone puts me into the donut hole. Cost me a extra $1,000. More next year. More is optimal word for my upcoming heath care. I thought it was getting cheaper thanks to obamacare. SNP is for the worse of the worse of us heath wise.

    For the lucky many who did NOT PLAN FOR RETIREMENT and have saved no money they are on the GRAVY TRAIN. Whose who did not look forward to retirement and wanted a supplement to Social Security with private retirement income, they can qualify for duel plans. Medicare and Medicaid required. They get near ALL FREE heath benefits and prescriptions. Oh those lucky people. They could spend all they earned. Go on those vacations. Buy those new/newer cars. Change jobs if unhappy. Whatever. Was I not thinking straight or what. Supplemental stuff like utility and rent help. Food stamps. They have THEIR American dream. While I suffer in comparison. No free ride here. You earn and save, then you pay.

    Argument of higher health cost does not apply here. I pay higher cost those other duel folks DO NOT. Because of financial requirements they will pay no higher income tax with or without Bush‘s cuts. Nor higher utilities if passed (maybe). They are likely to get rebates or exceptions.

    Now this year anyone going into prescription donut hole gets $250 check. Nice huh. BUT. But. But. 2011 SNP is not fully know yet. Not until Nov. 15. Not until AFTER ELECTION. Coincidence ???

    They do not need to supply transportation to get me to vote. At grocery store I ask oldies if they will be voting. Without asking how they nearly always say yes. I know how most will vote. No COLA’s I accept. Though Congress got theirs. Plenty of raises. Why didn’t they hold themselves to same standards they wanted CEO’s to have. NO bonuses for deficits. Attach raises to job performance.

    Not bragging about accomplishments should not help those running for office. Our man in MA was for water boarding and against obamacare but sits in
    Teddy’s liberal throne. A lot of Independent voters in that State. Many mad Democrats now.

    I have mixed dreams. A Congress with 100 new anti-inflammatory big government personnel. With big ears like barry but who can hear. Listen. Understand. Got it. 180 degree change. Folks in Congress that sees the feathers and melted tar. Know no more is expected. Can and does change past and future actions.

    I’ll take a high school witch if she gets the JOB DONE. Dodds is leaving us add Frank to list, etc.

    Oh yeah, destroy Congress heath and retirement plans. Let them have ours…

  • Bill Hedges

    And…

    Democrats could not pass “single payer system”. Heck they had to BUY VOTES to get obamacare passed. Had to agree no public funding of abortions. All those other things to get votes. single payer system didn’t have a prayer of passage.. Wasn’t taking over STUDENT LOANS in heath bill ?

    Jd says “most American’s don’t know what they want”. People knew when they wanted obama but don’t know when they don’t want obamacare. How convenient for liberals.

    Tax uncertainty and barry’s agenda has $ trillions not invested. Need to get back on tract. Didn’t wash with spend way out of recession. Tax cuts increases revenue. Worked for John F. Kennedy, Reagan, G.W. Bush, and others. Gave us longest Bull Market. Got proof.

    Deficit spending comes from spending more than coming in. Like at home…

  • JD

    “logically follow that considering JD’s opinion that the healthcare legislation was weak and still generated majority disapproval would that disapproval have been even more significant were a single payer system to have passed?”

    I think so. The truth is a weakened bill resulted in one which left people scratching their heads on what they were getting for the $$$. Had a single payer system been put in place I think there would more of a stance taken because it would be different from the current system. To be clear, I think there would of course be opposition and people looking to repeal but, overall, I think people are currently left with questions about the current bill.

    Most people don’t even know what was passed and that true for people in both political parties.

  • Bill Hedges

    After passing without reading Pelosi was to tell us how great obamacare is and explain it. barry has been telling us numerous times he will clear the lies being told on obamacare.

    Still waiting for that to happen. I’m seeing the bad and higher cost due to obamacare regulations.. Waiting 4 years for this cost saving great heath plan.

    I know. I know. Need what we did not get. Silly me. I left la la land and live in real world.

    If other plan was better why didn’t super majority Democrats not pass ? Didn’t need a single Republican vote.

    Liberal like to assume dumb voters. Blame anything. But thy self.

  • Bill Hedges

    We would have single payer system if they could have passed single payer system. Could not buy enough votes to pass single payer system. Many videos of barry saying he wanted single payer system.

    Look for Republican like plan to go into effect if votes permit.

  • JD

    Put in my Early Vote Yesterday: Here are my big 3 that got my vote.

    GOVERNOR: (D) Bill White – I am a Houstonian and I like what he did for our economy here, his approach to infrastructure and I can’t stand Rick Perry.

    LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR: (R) David Dewhurst – Not happy with him but I don’t think any of the other candidates cut the mustard.

    ATTORNEY GENERAL: (R) Greg Abbott – I have liked him since he took SONY-BMG to court over Spyware.

    Not really happy with the choices here in Tejas so I had to bust out the coin flip on some of the other ones.

  • Dewhurst is big on ObamaCare repeal. Good for your, JD, glad to see you are on the bandwagon with sanity aside from your Bill White vote. If Bob McDonnell wasn’t such an awesome Governor here in Virginia, I’d have to adopt Perry as my out-of-state Gubernatorial Representative.

    As for this:

    Not really happy with the choices here in Tejas so I had to bust out the coin flip on some of the other ones.

    And we wonder why we get sub-par politicians.

  • Bill Hedges

    Good for Virginia. Passed law against being forced to buy obamacare before Federal Congress passed. Vote was near all in State Congress. Way to go Democrats. Talked about on Fox last night. What a great tradition in that State. Let freedom ring.

    20 States trial in Florida ok’ed by judge to proceed. Federal government arguing is a tax. Wasn’t tax before trial so said by administration. Got to love it. Forcing administration to make a liar of themselves.

    “Fathom the odd hypocrisy that Obama wants every citizen to prove they are insured, but people don’t have to prove they are citizens.”

    Ben Stein

  • JD

    “And we wonder why we get sub-par politicians.”

    Well when you have to pick between a douche and a turd Sandwich, does it really matter? Aren’t they both “Sub-par”? It was an educated coin flip, to be sure, and I am not talking about the governor or a higher office but like local school board members and a few judges. Don’t hate on the coin flip.

    Dewhurst is big on ObamaCare repeal. Good for your, JD, glad to see you are on the bandwagon with sanity aside from your Bill White vote.

    lol. As I said, I didn’t really think Linda Chavez-Thompson would cut the mustard and Greg Abbott is not far right but rather closer to the middle. But don’t worry, I know that the TEA party members are going to vote straight ticket Republican and keep all the incumbent in office because although they talk about being anti-incumbent they are just anti-Democrat. That is the part I think is funny.

  • JD, you got it right. The media keeps calling this an “anti-incumbent” year but it is not, it is an anti-Democrat year thanks to ObamaCare and the other progressive policies being pushed by the administration.

    Thus, you’re correct, most Republican incumbents are in fine shape because they have not supported this garbage in the past 2 years. Granted, there are some who I think have been there way too long since I terribly dislike career politicians.

    Coin-flipper!

  • Bill Hedges

    Jd forgets recent political history:

    “But don’t worry, I know that the TEA party members are going to vote straight ticket Republican and keep all the incumbent in office because although they talk about being anti-incumbent they are just anti-Democrat. That is the part I think is funny.”

    Are you unaware of Alaska ? Long time family Republican kicked out. Tea have gone against shoe-in winners because they voted with obama. Unaware of Florida ?

    Unaware Sarah Palin volunteered to campaign for candidates who ?

    “”I will go around the country on behalf of candidates who believe in the right things, regardless of their party label or affiliation,” she said in an interview, “People are so tired of the partisan stuff — even my own son is not a Republican.” ”

    SARAH PALIN

    I have heard from liberals who like to assume TEA IS REPUBLICAN. “Straight ticket” JD says we are. JD isn’t but we are. I am TEA.

    You may wish TEA were are all Republicans:

    “Survey: Four in 10 Tea Party members are Democrats or independents”
    By Sean J. Miller – 04/04/10 03:29 PM ET

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/90541-survey-four-in-10-tea-party-members-dem-or-indie

    Maybe you have not heard of Christine. A nobody. A high school witch they say. A come from behind winner for Republican candidacy in Nov. 2 election. Unusual high turnout. Some say the other Republican would win hands down the seat but not Christine. Tea and Sarah made the difference. Went against the sure WIN.

    Why. TEA beliefs. Do not want a Republican in office just to have a Republican in office. Want a TEA value Congress. If so called witchcraft candidate votes my beliefs I’d vote for her. Rather have a so called witch than obama believer elected. A NRA candidate in my State votes 95% with obama. I will vote for the other choice who has my back.

    I have noticed Democrat candidates with a TEA attitude. If they or Republican have TEA background, I will vote for.

    I don’t have a flipping coin. No such thing as a “educated coin flip” in my book. A little more research should break ties. Judges are very important. So are our school officials.

  • JD

    Bill, think about what you just said… Only voted out Republican’s that voted with Obama. That is what we call anti-Democrat. It is like firing an employee because he/she has a gay friend. It would make you anti-gay not an equal opportunity employer.

    As for my coin flip, you would understand if you didn’t vote straight ticket. It would mean you would have to make hard decisions between two “sub-par” candidates. But your way works too…When in doubt vote party line. At least my way gives the luck of a coin flip instead of blind loyalty. Again, why do you guys have to hate on the coin flip?

  • Bill Hedges

    JD

    I wish you would actually quote me rather than put words in my mouth. Or on my voting behaior. Because your conclusions are 100% wrong. You wrote

    I answered incorrect statements that you made.

    1. Do not just keep incumbent Republican in office. I proved we don’t.

    2. Do not vote straight ticket Republicans. I proved that.

    3. Not anti-Democrat. See Sarah’s quote. Against Democrat and Republican in Congress who voted for obamacare and other bills. Check my examples. I proved that. Most of obama’s agenda I am against.

    Near all of Virginia’s legislators voted against obamacare. I cheered those Democrats in a comment.

    I provided link disagreeing with you. 4 in 10 TEA are either Democrat or Independent. TEA is not just Republican.

    You ignored my comment:

    “I have noticed Democrat candidates with a TEA attitude. If they or Republican have TEA background, I will vote for. ”.

    You insisted saying “you would understand if you didn’t vote straight ticket”. Either you do not read my comment or can’t comprehend it. Or you are calling me a liar.

    You need to read Sarah’s quote again with comprehension.

    As far as coin flip I wrote:

    “I don’t have a flipping coin. No such thing as a “educated coin flip” in my book. A little more research should break ties. Judges are very important. So are our school officials.”

  • JD

    Bill, lots of important issues are settled with a coin flip when neither side should or can be favored. Look at the opening kick off at the superbowl are you saying more research would lead officials to know who should kick or receive the ball in the first and second half?

    I am beginning to think you have a prejudice against the ol’ coin flip.

  • Bill Hedges

    JD says “Bill, lots of important issues are settled with a coin flip when neither side should or can be favored.”.

    Someone “should” be “favored” in politics. THE BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB.

    A coin flip to decide who kicks football is luck of the flip. To pick candidate by flip is absurd. For me.

    Now you say “I am beginning to think you have a prejudice against the ol’ coin flip.”. In jest perhaps you say. Saying 1. “TEA party members are going to vote straight ticket Republican ”, 2. “keep all the incumbent in office because although they talk about being anti-incumbent they are just anti-Democrat”, 3. “They are pissed that Congress compromised for no reason since republican support would never have been there no matter the bill.”, 4. “American’s don’t know what they want. ”, is not jest.

    I see your picture here, you have never been in voting booth with me. So unless you committed a crime and seen my ballots, why do you call me a liar, saying I vote a straight Republican ticket. Been a Republican only about 15 years. Don’t vote straight ticket.

    You can flip through life in all matters. Your right. If I marry again I will pick her. They differ…

  • JD

    “The best person for the Job” is subjective. I say Potato, you say Patato. In the end, it doesn’t matter because they are the same thing so flipping the coin results in the same thing.

    I do like where you are going though on a coin flip for the next wife. I think it could be a new reality series.

  • Bill Hedges

    You wrongly say that TEA are only Republicans, that I vote straight ticket, Tea are for any Republican incumbent, are anti-Democrat, etc,

    Vote in not subjective to person casting vote. There are reasons that matches your beliefs. Thus I pick who to vote for. That is point. Voter vote beliefs. Then we add the votes.

    You down-grade voters ability to understand obamacare. Yet you flip coins.