The Litmus Test Moves On

Having spent considerable amounts of time in San Francisco, Montreal, The Laurentians, Portland Maine, Boston, Rhode Island, suburban New York and Connecticut; you want to talk about real life political litmus test questions?  I’m you’re guy, usually see them coming, left or right.  On the other side of the ledger we have time in Huntsville Alabama, Virginia, Augusta, Atlanta and Thomasville Ga.; decidedly Conservative, sometimes thoughtfully so, sometimes not.    

The current trend should concern Republicans because there is a spotlight out there and in the words of Gary Moore “you forgot to learn your lines.” 

Used to be; “did you vote for Bush?”  Simple, to the point not difficult to interpret the tone of the question!  A “yes” answer in the aforementioned bastions of Liberalism earned immediate distain.

Canada was especially confused.  Canadians see hundreds of thousands of Americans visit and they visit us as well.  But, they could not find a single person who voted for Bush.  They simply could not process their personal experience with the two time result.  “How did he get elected, no one voted for him, everyone says no, not me?”  At least they were holding you accountable to the President.  : I admitted my vote  at a dinner in Montreal and the air came out of the room, they were so excited; “One, we have found one!” 

There was a time for many of us when we were not conservative, really; well maybe part time on some stuff.  Or you were a “non-political” Republican, meaning at the time, that you were fundamentally conservative but disagreed with how Republicans behaved.  You held them in distain just like the Democrats did joining them of the perceived ledge of the moral high ground.  You likely tried to find a comfortable middle but there was always one or another of the litmus test questions that exposed you.  Or you got through it unscathed and felt like a wimp!  

The current litmus test question is a bit different than most that came before.  It’s not a question about a politician.  It’s not the yes or no to an issue like abortion.  Recently, of course its “do you think Sarah Palin is equipped to be President?”   

Now its:

“You don’t watch/listen to Glenn Beck do you?”

“Yes, I do, sometimes; I listen to a lot of people”

“Really?”

“Yea, by the way, have YOU watched Glenn Beck.”

“Oh no not me, but my: husband /wife /son / daughter / grandmother / grandfather / babysitter / proctologist / next door neighbor, watches it every day.” 

“But not you?”

“No, not me; he’s crazy!”

Welcome to the latest litmus test; Glenn Beck.  (Unscientific study, based on random sampling; meaning,  people I encounter along the way)

I Knew Glenn back in the day. The man did some of the best radio I’d heard in years; “theater of the mind radio”, amazing stuff on occasion.  First day on the radio, there’s Glenn talking about making the jump to a significant number of station.  Glenn says; “now hang in there because the first week or two you listen to this show you’re going to hate it, it takes a little while to figure out what we’re doing!”  “But, if you hang in there, we’ll grow on you.” (Years ago, I paraphrase.)  Said to myself, I like that; comes on tells me it’s going to suck at first but then it will get better.  He was, I would say, humbly confident.  I’m a radio fan, I was hooked enough to give it a try.

Glenn is now the most hated Conservative in America according to a Conservative magazine.  More hated than Rush, or Sean or Michelle or even Ann?  Whoa, they hate Glenn more than, wait for it, …………….Darth Cheney? If Glenn, the most hated Conservative in America, is the question, what’s the answer?   Have we entered an alternate universe?  No not at all!  That alternate universe thing, it’s just a theory, you can only do the math based on a set of assumptions; truths assumed for the sake of thinking it through, but not proven.  You know like modern Keynesian economics.  They hate Glenn because  he’s dangerous, he’s a threat, he’s deconstructing their gig.         

The litmus test question does not for the moment focus on: Newt, DeMint, McConnell, Romney, Ryan, or Daniels; even Gov. Palin is running a long distant second as a litmus test question.  No Governors, candidates in waiting, Congresspersons or Senators.  Flavor of the day,the dangerous Glenn Beck!

Why?  How about this?

People who watch him believe he’s done his homework.  No one, to the best of my knowledge has factually debunked Glenn when he connects the dots. (I stand to be corrected, send me the link) There’s a lot of clever research and cross analysis, lot of books, lots of opinion, attempting to check it all out.  I couldn’t do it.  Do you have time to do that?  Does your news channel do that, your newspaper?  Individuals can absorb the connections of intent and attitude from their readings, but seriously connecting the hard facts is another thing altogether and that is where a large part of a story should be.  Glenn, at his best walks us through demonstrable facts, writings, quotes, associations, audio and video.  Individuals of interest are hung on their own Petard.    

People who watch think the chalkboards fit the permanently style challenged Mr. Beck to perfection; “what’s the big deal” they ask?  Back to the people assuring me that they don’t watch; how do you know so much about the chalkboards? Someone told you; ah, got it!

Glenn scares people but not to death, mostly.  He clearly wants to scare them to awareness and action.  He’s actually done a pretty good job of that if you go by the numbers Mr. Olberman, just saying.   Glenn has big numbers: listeners, viewers, web subscriptions, search hits, comedy shows, a magazine, Christmas shows; tours with O’Reilly, book sales, public demonstrations start up organizations.  Agree or disagree the numbers are the numbers.  Millions of people every week, millions!  Call them what you will, millions!

Message to the political class, Glenn is the anti-political class.  He does not care about your party.  It’s not just the issues, history and information.  Listeners and viewers believe Glenn is telling them what he actually believes, right or wrong.  He’s willing to walk us through his logic.  Big numbers guys 

Glenn’s history lessons are predicated on the idea that the truth is more interesting than historical fiction.  History tainted by political orientation is boring, the real deal is fascinating.  You peel back the historical onion and you see you’re way to a better understanding of how we got here.  There was evil in our history, best face it for the purpose of rejecting it.  There was glory and courage as well, best face it and embrace it.  The message is also “for God’s sake can we not make these mistakes again!”          

Oh, man!  Those poor Canadians!  They’ll be back this winter and they won’t be able to find a single person who watches Glenn Beck!

  • Bill Hedges

    I went from small town country boy in Missouri to the big liberal college in the 60’s. They talked of free love movement but I sure never found it.

    “Runaway Inflation Just around the Corner”

    by Jeff Davis

    “During the First Great Depression, the prolific liar FDR frequently told the American public that “prosperity is just around the corner”. Modern day liberals have been recycling that lie although they’re replacing “prosperity” with “the recovery”. As it turned out, the stock market did not regain its 1929 values until 1954, 25 years later. Today, we’ve got a real unemployment rate of about 20 percent, and Obama’s failed policies have spent trillions of dollars in his first 15 months, which must ultimately lead to runaway inflation.”

    http://www.whitenewsnow.com/forums/us-news/6512-runaway-inflation-just-around-corner.html

    The new ideas of liberalism put new and exciting ideas in a well sheltered young man’s brain. Who doesn’t want to make the world a better place.

    As years pass I still stand with my family firmly Democratic views. Watching a new tv show with Rush L. But Cape Girardeau, Missouri Rush seemed rash and foreign to my family values. Rush was a ‘place hands on and cure ills’ Oral Roberts then. Did not like his tv show.

    Peanut farmer sure shook my embedded politics. Playboy Bill lifted the grasp the Democrat party had on my life.

    Author mentions the immoral, sick Darth Cheney. Here is a link rated XXX of Darth’s conception and dastardly, profane deeds. Link is not for children nor adults with standards of common decency:

    http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Darth_Cheney

    To say liberals hate Glenn more is that even humanly possible ? Tell a liberal barry expanded Bush’s illegal wire tapes. Don’t you dare say courts recently said Bush’s wiretaps have been ruled legal. Don’t you dare say Karl Rowe did not leak spy’s name. Though well investigated and matter dropped. Guilty party found.

    Some things are just known to be true by liberals regardless of evidence. That is the liberal way. Their truth and justice.

    Never you mind it took “As it turned out, the stock market did not regain its 1929 values until 1954, 25 years later ” under FDR. Barry follows in his footprints. In that I would not say well done.

    Fox tonight said 2/3 of stimulus was not spent. Is certainly not because of lowered unemployment numbers. Why reduced food stamps by $26 billion when you have unspent stimulus money. Most mind boggling is why the rush to pass stimulus program for shovel ready projects which were not shovel ready and still mostly not spend. Just sitting there gathering dust ! At least FDR built Schools, bridges, planted trees, etc. Still, took 25 years to recover.

    G20 gave up on Keynesian economics. Japan paid high price using this economics. FDR’s Keynesian economics failed. Barry still clings to his rotten bananas. Another $ trillion or so spent will turn our economy around. Reminds me of a gambling junkie.

    Don’t use Kennedy, Reagan economics that made our Country great. China with its mass of people now is 2nd only to USA. Still a far, far second. No liberals say. Do Keynesian economics.

    How can you not hate Beck when your world is imploded upon itself. Even existence of Fannie and Freddie will soon end. F/F was used by Clinton, lawyer obama, and Acorn to create atmosphere within private banking system to hand out bad loans to unqualified home buyers. Major component to our demise.

    It takes plenty of chalk, several blackboards, and Beck to untangle the web of deceit. A mere mortal has little chance. The bearer of truth is often maligned by the diabolical special interest opposition. Especially when liberals are cornered and fighting for their life.

  • Landreaux

    “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.'”

    Ghandi

  • JD

    Landreaux – “People who watch him believe he’s done his homework. No one, to the best of my knowledge has factually debunked Glenn when he connects the dots. (I stand to be corrected, send me the link)”

    I think the big deal with Glenn is how and who he connects the lines to. I can connect a deer crapping in the woods to the guy drinking a cup of coffee at Starbbucks… Mostly because everything is connected somehow. Basic chaos theory.

    I will say that I did watch him on CNN and he wasn’t bad at all but for whatever reason since he has gotten to FOX it has been different. I challenge you to check out some of the footage to compare the two Glenns. I am not saying he changed but he has gone off in a certain direction.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IdBe0oDH4I

    here is link in what I am talking about. The Glen beck here makes a point but has way more tact then the current Glen.

    Even as I read this, I completely understand that Fox news and Glen beck are not after my viewership so it is not surprising that he doesn’t speak to me or try to meet me on middle ground. I am just not a conspiracy theorist and that is the direction Glenn has gone to and a direction I can’t follow but will watch from time to time.

    As to the point of “Glenn’s history lessons are predicated on the idea that the truth is more interesting than historical fiction,” well, it depends on “his” version of the truth. History is not a Hard science and a lot of times it is written by the victors. I hear how colonists made this country what it is while others see how colonists took this country from the Indians. History supports both those stories equally so it just comes down to our view of it.

    The theory of the founding fathers is a classic. In every shape and sense they were progressive for their time but there was plenty they had no understanding of. So they can’t be used as an example every time.

    Again, I am not slamming beck but just simply stating that if he were a little more in the middle his viewership would increase dramatically but I understand that they aren’t interested in that.

  • Bill Hedges

    “Chaos Theory: A Brief Introduction”

    “What exactly is chaos? The name “chaos theory” comes from the fact that the systems that the theory describes are apparently disordered, but chaos theory is really about finding the underlying order in apparently random data.”

    http://www.imho.com/grae/chaos/chaos.html

    It would be a irrational connection of deer releasing his waste to someone drinking coffee at Starbucks. A hunter goes drink coffee perhaps but all deer go to bathroom. What is the relevant point to this example ?

    Would Beck be employed on CNN if his show were as they are now. Very, very, very doubtful. To be generous I will say CNN uses “tact”. Goes for “middle ground” as you say. There are plenty of news media with “tact” and “middle ground”. Few like Fox.

    Closest rating to Fox is CNN. Fox leads in closest match up by 3-4 times better. Margin get higher. Their viewers are enormous in comparison to CNN. This being Beck, O’Reilly, etc. The other news media give you “tact” and “middle ground”. Fox basically does not and their viewers obviously appreciate the difference. Glenn’s show does more than exist. It prospers on Fox.

    Glenn connects the dots. To people and groups that liberals wouldn’t like connected. Glenn takes the seals off of hidden files. Would please Glenn to know barry’s dropping 43% polls was due to his diligence. Beck may be the most informative person on Fox. Nay, all news media…

    You are correct “History is not a Hard science and a lot of times it is written by the victors.” Your “I hear how colonists made this country what it is while others see how colonists took this country from the Indians.” TO THE VICTOR GOES THE SPOILS. A time honored tradition. Neither right nor wrong but as it is. Winnng is not a atocity.

    Term “progressive” is a relative term. “All men are created equal”. At time of conception it meant men. Revisited it pertains to woman and freed slaves. Now all. Our Constitution is a living document. Can be used in all areas I can think of. With ways to make it even more relevant. Through Amendments and court decisions. Has worked so far.

    Glenn’s viewing public is just fine and growing. Don’t expect “tack” and “middle ground”. CNN would benefit following Fox’s lead. On CNN set you can hear echoes in their studio audience.

  • “Again, I am not slamming beck but just simply stating that if he were a little more in the middle his viewership would increase dramatically but I understand that they aren’t interested in that.”

    Umm.. Why cater to the middle? Why not cater to the truth?

    I think you answered your own opinion.

  • JD

    As stated before, I think the “truth” is subjective. Especially in the context of history and by the middle I mean recognizing both sides to the arguement but by no means does that mean agreeing with them.

    Still, I think you bring up a good point. Beck is not news, he is an opinion and opinions are like A-holes… Everybody’s got one. 🙂

  • Bill Hedges

    By your example of Indians they too fought each other and took land along with women from the losing tribe. Was not a white man’s invention.

    Beck brings out the truth of barry which main news media whitewash. His connections are not opinion but carefully proven.

    I took a quick look at my last comment as well as Nate. I did not see “opinion” mentioned once.

    As you say:

    “Still, I think you bring up a good point. Beck is not news, he is an opinion and …”

    Landreaux has asked for someone to debunk Beck.

  • Bill Hedges

    Excuse me. Nate did mention to JD “your own opinion”.

  • JD

    As, I said. The issue isn’t debunking Beck. How can you debunk one side of a coin over another. They are both Truths and yet the same coin.

  • Bill Hedges

    As I wrote “Landreaux has asked for someone to debunk Beck.” Which hasn’t been done has it ?

    What Beck says is true or not true. That is the two sides of the coin. Is as true as neither Nate nor I said Beck was giving opinions.

  • JD

    Just to be clear, Bill. I disagree with the idea of debunking Beck because it isn’t the root issue. So the facts I give to debunk are left up to interpritation of the person so you are the judge on whether Beck has been debunked. Do you see how this is a wasted effort? Because we are dealing in Opinion.

    “For the great enemy of truth is very often not the lie — deliberate, contrived and dishonest — but the myth — persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Too often we hold fast to the clichés of our forebears. We subject all facts to a prefabricated set of interpretations. We enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.

    Mythology distracts us everywhere — in government as in business, in politics as in economics, in foreign affairs as in domestic affairs…In recent months many have come to feel, as I do, that the dialog between the parties — between business and government, between the government and the public — is clogged by illusion and platitude and fails to reflect the true realities of contemporary American society.” -JFK

  • Bill Hedges

    JD said:

    “I can connect a deer crapping in the woods to the guy drinking a cup of coffee at Starbbucks… Mostly because everything is connected somehow. Basic chaos theory.”

    In my Chaos definition it said:

    “What exactly is chaos? The name “chaos theory” comes from the fact that the systems that the theory describes are apparently disordered, but chaos theory is really about finding the underlying order in apparently random data.”
    http://www.imho.com/grae/…..chaos.html

    There is no meaningful chaos connection to deer and Starbucks.

    Glenn has connected religious leader who plans to build in NYC to barry. That is a fact and not a opinion. That is connecting the dots. One could conceivable disprove the connection. Thus debunking Glenn. This is just one example. Believe Landreaux said no one has debunked Glenn. Am sure one day someone will. For we are all human. The left I am sure would love to.

  • Bill Hedges

    JD part 2

    About JFK quote:

    “Kennedy’s remark reflects the frustration of one who can’t seem to make any headway against a dishonest myth, but it obscures the positive possibilities of myth. Myths might be pervasive and permanent, but they don’t have to be pernicious. Rather than dishonest, they can be importantly true. They can be a powerful positive force when put to the service of truth, compassion, and justice. The persistent, persuasive, and realistic myth is the great friend of the truth..”

    http://blogs.naz.edu/ethics/2010/02/the-great-enemy-of-the-truth-is-very-often-not-the-lie—-deliberate-contrived-and-dishonest—-but-the-myth—-persistent.html

    Glenn’s provable remarks are not “dishonest myth.”

    They are facts not “myth”.

  • JD

    Bill, First let me use the words of Thomas Jefferson who said,

    “The new circumstances under which we are placed call for new words, new phrases, and the transfer of old words to new objects”

    Secondly, A deer craps in the woods giving fertilizer to the ground, which allows a tree to grow, which is then used to make a cup, which is then used to put coffee into, which is then given to a guy who proceeds to drink it in starbucks.

    Or a Deer craps in the woods which gave root or a coffee bean, which got harvested, which got roasted, then it was bagged and shipped to starbucks where it was served to a guy in cup.

    You see… because life is a web there are countless ways to “connect the dots”. Thus the saying that everything is connected somehow and the nature of the chaos theory is born.

    The real issue isn’t to debunk Becks dots but to ask about his lines and even then it is subjective because I can draw a line to almost anything but that doesn’t mean it is the definitive truth or that there isn’t a better understanding or path out there.

    That said, I understand why you may watch him or follow him regularly. I just can’t. I will watch him once a week and take what he has to say with a grain of salt. The same is true about Keith Olbermann. Their job is not to discuss the issue but to spin their opinion on it. To be sure, they don’t want you to think…they just want you to listen.

    “Because this company is now in the hands of CCA — the Communication Corporation of America. There’s a new Chairman of the Board, a man called Frank Hackett, sitting in Mr. Ruddy’s office on the 20th floor. And when the 12th largest company in the world controls the most awesome goddamn propaganda force in the whole godless world, who knows what shit will be peddled for truth on this network.

    So, you listen to me. Listen to me!

    Television is not the truth. Television’s a goddamn amusement park. Television is a circus, a carnival, a traveling troupe of acrobats, storytellers, dancers, singers, jugglers, sideshow freaks, lion tamers, and football players.

    We’re in the boredom-killing business.

    So if you want the Truth, go to God. Go to your gurus. Go to yourselves! Because that’s the only place you’re ever gonna find any real truth.

    But, man, you’re never gonna get any truth from us. We’ll tell you anything you wanna hear. We lie like hell. We’ll tell you that Kojak always gets the killer and that nobody ever gets cancer at Archie Bunker’s house. And no matter how much trouble the hero is in, don’t worry. Just look at your watch. At the end of the hour, he’s gonna win. We’ll tell you any shit you want to hear.

    We deal in illusions, man. None of it is true!

    But you people sit there, day after day, night after night — all ages, colors, creeds. We’re all you know!!

    You’re beginning to believe the illusions we’re spinning here! You’re beginning to think that the tube is reality and that your own lives are unreal.

    You do whatever the tube tells you —
    You dress like the tube.
    You eat like the tube.
    You raise your children like the tube.
    You even think like the tube.

    This is mass madness, you maniacs!

    In God’s name, you people are the real thing. We are the illusion!

    So turn off your television sets. Turn them off now! Turn them off right now! Turn them off and leave them off. Turn them off right in the middle of this sentence I’m speaking to you now.”- Network

  • “Just to be clear, Bill. I disagree with the idea of debunking Beck because it isn’t the root issue. So the facts I give to debunk are left up to interpritation of the person so you are the judge on whether Beck has been debunked.”

    Funny. I seem remember the majority of your posts during the 2008 election trying to “debunk” Sarah Palin and John McCain. Lets not even mention the numerous field days you had trying to “debunk” George W. Bush.

    I’m wondering why you’re debunking skills regarding Beck are now sub-par and not worthy of attempting the super debunkification.

  • Bill Hedges

    Still the meaning of deer/coffee is fruitless. A game I played in College.

    Connecting the religious leader wanting to build and barry is a meaningful connection. For Beck connects many dots and pulls them together. You say you have watched a few times so you may have some personal knowledge.

    I do not recall the group Bill Ayres is associated with but it gets tied in with other things. I understand you want it to be a random, unimportant, luck of the draw Beck wanting it to be so input. If that was the case liberals would have destroyed Glenn long ago. Fox must be the most hated by general news media, leftist, and obama’ administration. Not to mention fan growth is phenomenal. 3-6 times more depending on the major shows compared to second place CNN. Watchers get bored fast if no substance in what he says.

    No you could not just connect any ole dots with millions watching you do so. You would be removed from tv with meaningless deer/coffee examples.

    As in your JFK quote I had to look it up to understand the meaning of where the quote came from. I guess latest quote is from the movie NETWORK.

    Much has transpired since that movie. Movies have their falsehoods and shame. Ironic liberal movement with Jane Fonda stop us from being like France getting maybe 80% of electricity from nuclear.

    Anyhow that is off topic.

    Theory or voodoo can connect in whimsical way deer to coffee. Or most anything. That is a game. Glenn would have no audience and back to pushing records on radio if he did that. The best of the best can not destroy him from the left. They laugh at him as his fans base grow and grow. You will never like his show for he is not going for “tact” or “middle” of anything. He is the envy of success.

  • JD

    “I’m wondering why you’re debunking skills regarding Beck are now sub-par and not worthy of attempting the super debunkification.” – Nate

    It isn’t sub-par but a whole other subject. I have debunking things to say about our leaders because they are leading. So the can be critisized for thier actions. Glen Beck is not doing anything…he isn’t playing the game he is mearly comentating it.

    I do see your point, though, and in fact I do have my differences with Glen Beck (if that is considered debunking) but the issue is using him as a litmus test. I just don’t think that he can be used as such and it is sad if anyone is.

  • Bill Hedges

    You may have missed the White House going after Glenn. Being his style he brought telephone to stage and offered administration ability to contact him to correct him. Over the top you bet. As is his pipe routine. Dead serious for sure. Makes his points in dramatic fashion.

    litmus test decides who you will watch and believe on tv. The sheer multitude of viewers of Fox show the litmus test results.

    Fox passed for the multitudes. Has Fox helped by informing resulting in lower Democrats polls. Seems to me a simple answer. Fox doesn’t kiss barry’s behind. As news media use to cover GW. And you.

    As hard as MEDIA MATTERS tries and all the other news media try Fox grows. A better litmus test I do not know.

    You wanted Beck to have more “tact” and be more “middle”. Be more CNN. Rating then would be lower as CNN.

    I whole heartily agree with Nate’s observation you would relish debunking Beck if you could. As I see on liberal political sites insults are throw at Fox not facts. Proof they wish they had steady stream of material to destroy Fox and gain back their past glory CNN…

    Walter Leland Cronkite, Jr. was the last great litmus test. Now is Beck and Bill. Modern day Huntley & Brinkley report.

  • Bill Hedges

    JD part 2

    said:

    “I do have my differences with Glen Beck (if that is considered debunking)”

    You can have “differences” but “debunking” is disproving or showing falseness.

  • landreaux

    Gentlemen,

    You have made my point as to the new litmus test. I don’t believe any post of mine has generated this much conversation. I appreciate your engagement.

  • JD

    You have made my point as to the new litmus test. I don’t believe any post of mine has generated this much conversation.”

    I guess this brings up another point from the other side. Why is it conservatives back Glen up as much as they do? Their response is as if I slapped their mother…

    So is it Liberals using Glen as a litmus test or conservatives making Glen into their new American Idol?

  • Bill Hedges

    I comment on a liberal site. The most disgusting things are said about Glenn. Do they back their statements of course not. Just insults.

    When I complain about barry I give reasons. I hardly ever hear complaints about CNN host. Do you really think I could not find fault with them ? You see CNN is immaterial and Fox is relevant.

    It boils down to Fox main hosts have 3-6 times the audience of closest rival CNN. Polls show dislike of barry’s agenda. Elections since barry is heading in the wrong direction for him. Economy is stymied with this spend out of recession. G20 bails out on it. Some expect economy may plummet.

    For conservative’s effort we are maligned and our tea party is attacked both physically and verbally including racist card. Those against obamacare are racist. Been accused without evidence of nearly everything under the dark side of the Sun. It gets tiring this false and unproven criticism of Glenn.

    If by AMERICAN IDOL you mean he is beloved for his style and message then yes. Many Americans are scared to death the direction we are going and the unreasonable debt our country has. The radical makeup of the czars. The bowing to the middle east. Bills signed unread. Passage by Democrats of pay as you go if convenient. The relentless mischaracterization of Republicans being the problem and party of no While Democrats had super majority.

    Putting barry down with facts is treated like one “slapped their mother”. Add insults as well. On the other site I go to it goes without saying authors of articles rarely write about barry. Innuendos against Palin are far more prevalent. BUSH FAULT. Don’t talk bad about barry unless good.

    Is not just conservatives watching Fox. Numbers alone shows that is a fallacy. Wishful thinking for liberal. Stations in financial trouble are likely to be liberal in most areas of the country.

    The which came first the chicken or the egg in your last paragraph makes little difference. Glenn is what he is. A force to be reckoned with. barry denounces Glenn because Glenn carries the BIG STICK with the people now not barry.

    Barry had his 15 minutes of being a idol. He did not live up to his hype. The light is flickering and going dim. Long live the new powers that be. That being what barry ignored. The people’s wishes…

    Summary:

    Beck says what CNN and the others won’t. The troubles with this madhouse, mayhem government under barry.

    Glenn is the litmus test by which all others should be judged by. Liberal should use Glenn as the litmus test. There is room for you to join us.

    “Litmus test (politics)”

    “A litmus test is a question asked of a potential candidate for high office, the answer to which would determine whether the nominating official would choose to proceed with the appointment or nomination. (The expression is a metaphor based on the litmus test in chemistry.) Those who must approve a nominee, such as a justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, may also be said to apply a litmus test to determine whether the nominee will receive their vote. In these contexts, the phrase comes up most often with respect to nominations to the judiciary.”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litmus_test_(politics)

    I agree with JD:

    “So is it Liberals using Glen as a litmus test….”. Please do…