Arizona illegal immigration law mirrors Federal law

One of the mast flagrant and sickening lies being circulated right now is that the new Arizona illegal immigration crackdown law is something new and unheard of. Thus, critics have cited it as being some kind of raaaaacist legislation aimed at anyone of “brown” skin.

However, taking this one step further to actually examine the legislation, which 99% of the critics have not, shows that the Arizona law mirrors existing federal law except that it finally gives it teeth at the state level.

The Washington Times reports the truth:

MSNBC host Joe Scarborough has an odd obsession for criticizing conservatives for calling Mr. Obama a “Nazi” all the time, yet he has no problem comparing the newly signed Arizona immigration law to “Nazi guards asking to see your papers.” Even President Obama did not go that far, but he did call the new law “misguided.”

On both accounts Mr. Scarborough is wrong. One day he will hopefully realize that LaRouche Democrats who attend various protests with Nazi images of Mr. Obama are not conservatives and Arizona’s new immigration enforcement law is designed to mirror federal immigration laws already in place.

Federal law mandates that aliens register and carry their documentation. Arizona’s new law functions the same way. Why hasn’t the MSNBC host called the federal law “Nazi” in nature?

“Let’s clarify what isn’t in the bill. The law does not give police officers any additional powers to stop or pull anybody over. You’re still going to have to abide by lawful contact,” said Bob Dane spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) , a Washington, D.C., based immigration nonprofit.

Mr. Dane made it clear that an officer of the law cannot simply walk up to an individual who is not committing a crime or traffic violation and ask the person for his or her legal status.

This is nothing more than existing federal but giving the state of Arizona the right to enforce it. Therefore, the race-baiters and race-hustlers are dead wrong on this issue and should be clamoring about the federal statute if they have a real beef with it.

“Most police contact with the public happens [via motor-vehicle contact], so it’s not going to change the mechanical lawful process that a police officer goes through. He’s going to write you up if you are doing something wrong, like driving down the highway doing 90 miles on hour. He’s going to pull up and ask for license, registration and documentation identity.

Only after all of that is the cop going to be required (he is now required under the law) to ask about immigration status, but then and only if the person has reasonable suspicion the person might be an illegal alien, and then, even then he can’t use as part of his reasonable suspicion, he can’t consider race, color, or national origin, as part of his suspicion.

President Obama has played the fear card as well as the race card on this issue to continue dividing the country as he’s been doing for months now. ABC News reports:

The president said, “you can try to make it really tough on people who look like they, quote, unquote look like illegal immigrants. One of the things that the law says is that local officials are allow to ask somebody who they have a suspicion might be an illegal immigrant for their papers — but you can imagine if you are a Hispanic American in Arizona, your great, great grandparents may have been there before Arizona was even a state. But now suddenly if you don’t have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you’re going to be harassed, that’s something that could potentially happen.

Perhaps you might get “harassed,” Mr. President, for taking your kid out for ice cream if you commit a crime while doing so. That’s about it. Law enforcement cannot stop someone on the street and demand papers or threaten to arrest them. So if you take your kids for ice cream and commit grand theft auto at the same time, yeah the police might “harass” you about some papers while they’re arresting you for an alleged crime.

However, if law enforcement catches an individual committing a crime, even as simple as speeding, they’re going to ask for a license and/or some form of identification. If you can’t produce such documentation within a reasonable time frame, then you can create a reasonable suspicion that perhaps you may be here illegally.

President Obama’s criticism is unfounded and childish. He is purposely inciting fear among Hispanics with an aim toward the 2010 election. There is no basis for his criticism and he clearly has not read federal law which is what he took an oath to uphold.

Mexico demands that US citizens traveling inside the country must carry documentation with them at all times:

Entry to Mexico: As of March 1, 2010, all U.S. citizens – including children — must present a valid passport, book or card, for travel beyond the “border zone” into the interior of Mexico. Entry by any means, for example by plane or car, is included in this requirement. The “border zone” is generally defined as an area between 20 to 30 kilometers of the border with the U.S., depending on the location. Stays of less than 12 hours within the border zone do not require a visa or tourist card.

U.S. citizens traveling as tourists beyond the border zone or entering Mexico by air must pay a fee to obtain a tourist card, also known as an FM-T, available from Mexican border crossing points, Mexican tourism offices, airports within the border zone and most airlines serving Mexico.

Upon arrival in Mexico, business travelers must complete and submit a form (Form FM-N 30 days) authorizing the conduct of business, but not employment, for a 30-day period. Travelers entering Mexico for purposes other than tourism or business or for stays of longer than 180 days require a visa and must carry a valid U.S. passport. U.S. citizens planning to work or live in Mexico should apply for the appropriate Mexican visa.

I could be harassed in Mexico if I take my kids to get ice cream if I don’t have my papers! President Obama, will you stand of me when I get my kids Mexican ice cream in Guadalajara? How dare Mexican law demand I be carrying my passport at all times, shame on those racist Mexicans! They are targeting whites!

  • Bill Hedges

    Having worked within the court system and with police for decades I knew pretty much how this law would work. With my criminal law courses I knew this law would be based on Federal law. Legislator (the weak link in chain) knew the ramifications of this law and their lawyers certainly examined it well.

    They knew every eye would scrutinize Arizona. A multitude of diverse elements would descend upon them. Lies and innuendos. Every special interest group imaginable would flock to gain notoriety and exploit there 15 minutes of fame.

    ACLU and Al Sparten scurried to pack their bags to mount their assault with incriminating inclination. Their prejudged righteousness glaring.

    I provided a summary of the law in a comment on site. Wouldn’t it had been prudent for Al to have read it before opening his mouth and packing his bags. Is easier to jump to conclusions and gain some publicity on the tube instead. Maybe he figures he wins no matter the truth. As he did at Duke.

    Exacerbating exuberance seems politically correct. Barack Hussein Obama has acknowledged the Feds have done little but Arizona has done too much to his liking. I wonder if he read the law ? Maybe he knew the law through osmosis. Anywho he charged Attorney General Eric Holder to monitor the situation. Many of us know his record.

    When law goes into effect every cop in the State is expected to be non-human and make no mistakes while under a mignifying glass. The low pay for responsibility is to have top of the line perfect law officers. Some critics will admonish officers if they are not gods and demand the law repealed for some perceived real or imagined infraction. Each officer must have eyes in the back of their heads to stop each set up that is bound to occur by liberal activist or a smart lawyer defending the accused.

    Look to the three fighting men who captured those killers in our war to foresee into the future. 2 have been found innocent. Anyone who understands what they went through should understand what awaits Arizona’s protectors.

    How twisted things have become. The land owner’s death is hardly brought up. He is the umarked grave. Illegal is improper term to utter. Give illegals all the legal rights of citizenship. Have they done anything wrong crossing without permission ? Ignore the murders, kidnappings, and drugs. The terrorisms happening inside our boarders to our citizens.

  • Norris Hall

    The problem is that Arizona is targeting the wrong villain.
    Illegal aliens cross the border because American farmers, businessmen and citizens rely on their cheap labor to
    mow their lawns, pluck their chickens, pick their lettuce and nanny their children.
    Start jailing the guys who are waving cash in the faces of illegals and you might put an end to a lot of border crossings.

    Problem is, most of those folks are upstanding pillars of the community are mainly white, mainly wealthy and mainly Republican.

    Much like ex-Governor Pete Wilson of California who hopped on the bandwagon of illegal immigration in 1996 hoping to ride it to the White House…until Mrs. Wilson admitted that they had hired an illegal alien as a housekeeper and that they hadn’t paid her social security tax

  • Bill Hedges

    Ex-wife.

    “Wilson’s former wife has taken the blame for that oversight, and Wilson has agreed to pay any back taxes and penalties he owes.”

    http://articles.latimes.com/1995-05-11/local/me-64800_1_illegal-immigrants

    Interesting you say “mainly Republicans”

    I have no problem going after employers.
    ……

    Here’s obama idea:

    “As WND reported earlier, Obama has also advocated issuing driver’s licenses to illegal aliens.”

    “As U.S. senator, Obama voted voted against an amendment aimed at reducing document fraud and preserving the integrity of the Social Security system. He also sponsored a bill to provide in-state tuition rates at state and community colleges to illegals.”

    “Oscar Chacón, executive director of the National Alliance of Latin American and Caribbean Communities, told New York’s El Diario Americans can expect to see a change in immigration policy as early as this year.”

    “There is no doubt that the Obama Administration will push immigration reform,” Chacón said. “In a meeting we … had recently with the Obama transition team’s immigration advisers, they assured us that he has in his plans an immigration reform for the first year of his government.”

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=86733

    “The Mexican Invasion and Occupation: Who Pays? ANOTHER FORM OF CORP WELFARE?”

    “What is the impact of the Mexican occupation? Is it by invitation of the corporate interests bent on ever depressed wages, or an invasion? Who pays? Those most victimized by the occupation – THE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS! Most of the FORTUNE 500 are donors to LA RAZA “THE RACE” THE MEXICAN FASCIST PARTY OF AMERICA! OBAMA IS DETERMINED TO HAND 38 MILLION ILLEGALS AMNESTY FOR VOTES! TIME TO END MEXICO’S EVER EXPANDING WELFARE & PRISON SYSTEM IN OUR BORDERS!”

    http://mexicanoccupation.blogspot.com/2010/04/illegals-promise-obama-his-amnesty-will.html

    Don’t think obama will go after employers very hard.

  • TheGreatZ

    What if you’re an American citizen and they suspect you’re an illegal and ask for documentation even though you have none because you’re a citizen?

    The fact that they can’t just pull someone over for “looking like an illegal” and there must be some other offense doesn’t mean anything. I can imagine some police officers checking every single brown person they pull over for speeding. Maybe some will go out of their way to make sure they “suspect” some non-brown people too just so they can tell themselves they aren’t racist. This law should be called “harrass American citizens bill”.

    And BTW LaRouche? LOL. That guy is nuts and a borderline fascist. If its LaRouche Democrats supporting this that’s even more of a reason to oppose it.

  • Bill Hedges

    Police cars have radios and they can check id’s by your name and age. Anymore they can print out your picture or at least show it to the officer. Some can check by finger prints. A lot have video.

    Police Dept have records that spot problems you have mentioned with bad officers.

  • “Law enforcement cannot stop someone on the street and demand papers or threaten to arrest them.” Nate

    Tell that to all the people around here for get stopped by cops (while you are on foot) who ask for ID while NOT committing a crime. It’s happened to me numerous times throughout my life. We laugh about it, but it’s truly not funny. People here laugh and say we get stopped for being black at night time in a white neighborhood. It happens.

    “President Obama’s criticism is unfounded and childish. He is purposely inciting fear among Hispanics with an aim toward the 2010 election. There is no basis for his criticism and he clearly has not read federal law which is what he took an oath to uphold. ” Nate

    Anti Obama people do the same thing. With his name, people he has been around throughout his life, his birth certificate, of social beliefs, ect, ect, ect. Both sides play the “fear card.” Perhaps Obama has walked down a Chicago street and been stopped and asked for ID like many other brown or black people. 🙂

    Bill I agree with you comments on Apr 28th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    I can’t really deny any of that, it is true. People like Al Sharpton and all the other race card lovers do flock on things like this. I’m not sure why if anyone still takes him or other like him seriously.

    I like the part about the perfect cops. That is the truth in every profession. We all expect EVERYONE to be perfect. The cook in the restaurant has to always make the perfect dish. The medical staff HAS to be perfect or everyone wants to sue us for everything we’ve got. The players on our favorite sports team must ALWAYS have a PERFECT game or we complain about how much they get paid. Our president must be flawless or he is much to incompetent to be president. The housekeeper must make sure everything is sparkling perfectly or they should be fired.

    I mean name a profession where people don’t have them under a microscope? Hell, I can’t make a comment on this page without having multiple people try and rip me apart for anything and everything I believe in. So excuse me if I dont cry a river for the cops.

    Norris Hall UNITED STATES Apr 29th, 2010 at 3:57 am
    Ah, you agree with JD, and I’d have to agree with you as well.

    I worked at a restaurant where 95% of the staff was illegal. If illegals could not get jobs, I can’t imagine why they would want to be here? To be homeless, jobless, moneyless? Unless they are selling drugs, there’s no benefit of being here. I am sure not all illegals are drug dealers.

  • Geraldine Byrnes

    Calderon is on the complaint wagon because the illegals in America send BILLIONS of American bucks back to Mexico each year. Gimme a break. Also what he said tonight on the O’Reilly Show is totally a misrepresentation of the Arizona Law. Possibly partly because our very own president hasn’t even read the law. Nor Napolitano. Nor Holder the AG for cryin’ out loud. They have no right to even comment about this law. READ THE DAMN THING. Also on O’Reilly’s show Megyn Kelly had done tons of research on this law and also on the Federal law and guess what? The Federal law is MUCH MORE STRINGENT. Yep. Since it was on that show just tonight I’m sure we’ll be hearing more about it now and I hope the hispanics are listening. Federal law says that you don’t have to have a reason to ask for legality. Keep you ear to the ground and your eyes open…….

  • Alex Cummins

    Where can I find the actual federal law on this. You say it is much more stringent. Where can I read it for myself?

  • Geraldine,

    I totally agree, of course the Mexican President would be angry that we don’t want to support the Mexican economy. Without illegals sending our money to Mexico, then Mexico would be in a major economic crisis, which is BS! And it’s true, the Arizona law covers very little, it’s a COMMON SENSE law. If you think the Arizona law is unfair then you simply want illegals to come here work and take our money back to Mexico.

  • I am so shocked with this immigation. It is a federal law, the illegals do not put any money into our economy, they send there money back to their homeland so more illegals can sneak into our country. The government evidentally has not read the federal law regarding this issue. I as a American citizen am so very proud of what Arizona is doing, now California, which they should of done something a long time ago, as far as what they are receiving in our country, health care, who is paying for that?, food stamps, etc. They are not entitled to it but they are getting it. So as far as Obama he has no clue what so ever, I have researched this and I don’t understand why this is going to go to Federal Court as it is a Federal Law, What the heck is going on in this country. Many people feel the same but it seems like everyone is afraid to open there mouth. Our Country you have the right to freedom of speech, so how about all you Americans open up your mouths and stop this BS. I don’t know about all of you but this really sickens me. So come on and lets’ get all the illegals out of here before they take over “Our Country”.

  • John L

    I am a naturalized citizen of the USA and proud to be an American by choice. For quite a few years before becoming citizens we were Resident Aliens. As Resident Aliens we were required to carry our “Green Cards” us at all times. Before 911 US citizens could re-enter the Coutry be showing a drivers license, birth certificate or other proof of residency. Resident Aliens however always had to show their “Green Cards”. This requirement was not at the time nor now racist, but simply one aspect of protecting our Country from illegal immigration. Customs and Immigration Officers did profile us, but not for race but for legal status. They could easily profile me and my family becuase we had strong Canadian accents. Nobody called foul our accusted the Officers of racism even though we were clearly profiled. We did not object because it was a requirement of being a Resident Alien.

    Those who protest the Arizona Law seem to be protecting illegal aliens, not Resident Aliens as Resident Aleins by federal law must carry thier “Green Cards” I suggest that they protest so loudly to obscure the fact that they do not want non-citizens checked to see if they are illegal.

    I invite those who are protesting the Arizona Law to direct their energies towards our President and Congress to adress the issue of immigration reform, rather than attacking those who dare to suggest that the Laws of our Land should be enforced.

    I support immigration reform, so let’s get on with it rather than wasting energy on avoiding the real issues.

  • Hank

    I am an American citizen, living in an Asian country. I am required to carry my Permanment Resident card with me always.I am proud to do so. Pplus it is written on the card taht I must present it if asked. In the U.S., I have been stopped and asked to show my driver’s ID, auto insurance, proof of ownership etc. No problem. I have nothing to hide. And if they don’t , it shouldn’t worry them either.

  • Bill Hedges

    Hank

    Absolutely right.

    Why does America have to be different from the rest of the world.

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