What ObamaCare says about the state of America

Just found a fascinating piece on CNBC discussing the decline of American individualism and power in regard to the passage of ObamaCare. America was built on self-reliance and individual achievement. These are qualities we no longer celebrate, instead we punish them with taxes and scorn. We soak the rich with taxes and encourage government dependence while purposefully killing a sense of individual responsibility.

David Murrin points this out:

The passage of the health care law shows that the US empire is declining because it illustrates the fact that people expect the state to take care of them, David Murrin, the co-founder of Emergent Asset Management hedge fund manager, told CNBC.

On Tuesday, US President Barack Obama signed into law health care legislation that expands health coverage for the poor, imposes new taxes on the rich and forbids insurance practices such as refusing coverage to those with pre-existing conditions.

In their expansionary phase, empires force people to go out, seek risks and fend for themselves, Murrin said, reminding of the dismantling of the British empire after the war, when the National Health Service, which ensures universal health coverage in Britain, was created.

“This (empire decline) is actually a dead-set course that societies get into and it will happen very quickly I’m afraid,” he told “Squawk Box Europe.”

“As you start to build a system it becomes cohesive because of its success… the fractures in the American system I think are more apparent than ever,” Murrin added.

China’s rise will be much faster than most people anticipate as the country’s military prowess increases, he said.

The founding of this nation was specifically derived from regaining control over individual rights and fighting back against an all-powerful centralized government. Yet, here we are watching Obama and the Democrats clap for increasing government dependence, growing federal debt, higher taxes, fewer individual liberties and more government imposition into the life of every single American citizen.

The bigger question is why did we come to this point? What has created a generation of citizens so bent on getting what they “deserve” from their government. These are the citizens too ignorant and/or brain dead to realize that the government must take this money from taxpayers.

Of course we know that the leftists have been working for years to infiltrate the government but they had to be elected first which is exactly what happened with President Obama. His orations were the culmination of self-indulgence and greed amongst citizens who believe they do not need to be responsible for themselves, rather the government should do it for them. The greed does not lie with the wealthy who donate hundreds of thousands to charity and have the ability to create jobs, rather it lies with those people who insult and are offended at such wealth.

In the minds of too many people, we watch as the government creeps in to fill the voids of the “must be nice” mindset when people comparing themselves to others. President Obama has taken the attitude of “must be nice to have that” and turned it into a Presidency. Of course, those of us who were warning about this from the beginning could see it coming as the crowds of greedy wealth-takers cheered him on.

So why are we here today? Why are we witnessing President Obama sign another bankrupt entitlement program into law? I fear we have an extremely uninformed electorate and it scares me more than the Marxists advising Obama. We know they’re there and can see their agenda, yet too many in the public don’t bother to watch, listen or read about it. They expect politicians to just fill their needs without realizing they are giving up their power while they beg for more services and more government programs.

Too many people believe that by making the wealthy poor, they will make themselves wealthy. That is the lesson taught by the modern Democratic Party. Your enemies are not laziness, lack of motivation or an inability to understand long term lifelong strategies, rather your enemies are the people offering you jobs and building up this country.

Frankly I am sick and tired of being told by President Obama and others that America needs this ObamaCare bill, that we are all clamoring for his assistance along with Nancy Pelosi’s. I do not want it and nor do I need it. I wouldn’t want it if I did need it. I wouldn’t want it if you paid me to take it. I refuse to give up my personal liberty, I refuse to give up my personal rights to make a life based on my own choices, my own ambitions. I refuse to be a mindless citizen simply in it to see what kind of program President Obama is here to offer me.

Luckily though I believe America is waking up. I believe the people who have sat on the sideline for decades are realizing that unless they do something, we will continue unfettered down the path of increased government dependence. I believe a majority, albeit slim, are deciding that they may not want to go down this road. Enough people may be starting to understand what made the country great.

Here’s a hint, America’s greatness did not derive from a government program. Nobody has become wealthy on Social Security or Medicare. In fact, I would argue that Social Security encourages poverty and dependence since I have seen too many people who simply believe they can retire on it and just “get by” with it. They are not encouraged to save for their own retirement, they’re encouraged to let me save for their retirement through the obscene Social Security taxes coming out of my paycheck. People are encouraged to live in poverty on whatever the government (taxpayers) give them.

I say no more! I say this is the time that the crossroads must be addressed, we must choose a new path back toward individual responsibility and personal liberty. We must limit government power, not expand it. We must encourage wealth and achievement, not ridicule it. We must demand accountability for past failed social programs, not emulate them.

Finally, we must educate those around use. We must push hard against the “social norms” of government dependent greed we witness everyday. We must explain why America is great and what the proper role of government is. We must speak out against programs which will lead to more dependence despite being told we “hate the poor” or some such other nonsense.

I love human beings, I love every one of them. I do not want to see a single person holding themselves back because they are stuck on a government program being told they’ll never get ahead. I believe in tough love and limiting such programs to keep the individual empowered and motivation at it’s highest level.

I believe in the ideals of America and not a single aspect of those ideals involve more government programs, intervention, taxes or control.

I know others feel this exact same way, probably more than I do. That is what gives me hope in these times we live in. The hope to know that I am not alone in seeing America’s decline into the hands of an all-to-willing federal government wishing for cradle-to-grave control.

If we awaken and defeat the beast of government dependence, America will see the best days in the future and all our citizens will prosper for it.

  • D.D.Mao

    As Dr. Krauthammer pointed out recently we had the “New Deal” under FDR the “Square Deal’ under Truman and now we have the “Big F’in Deal” under President Obama (as named by Joe Biden).But then when you think you are “The One” everything you do you think is a “Big F’in Deal”

  • JD

    Well, just as long as people don’t resort to violence. I am a bit disturbed about some of the stuff that is going on and what worries me is exactly what you said,

    ” I know others feel this exact same way, probably more than I do. That is what gives me hope in these times we live in.”

    “The pitched battle over health care has unleashed a rash of vandalism and attacks directed at politicians, with at least 10 House Democrats reporting death threats or incidents of harassment or vandalism at their district offices over the past week.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/24/AR2010032402122.html

    “A propane gas line at the Charlottesville home of Rep. Tom Perriello’s brother was severed Tuesday after a self-identified “tea party” activist posted what he believed to be the Virginia Democrat’s address on a Web site and urged opponents to “drop by” to convey their opposition to his yes vote on the health bill.”

    “A brick was thrown through the Niagara Falls district office of Rep. Louise M. Slaughter (D-N.Y.), who also received a threatening voice-mail message referring to sniper attacks.”

    “Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), whose last-minute negotiations to bar federal funding of abortion helped secure the bill’s passage, received a fax with a drawing of a noose and an anonymous voice mail saying: “You’re dead. We know where you live. We’ll get you.””

  • I don’t condone this behavior but I can personally understand it. Some of our personal freedoms are being taken by congress. We are losing freedom and I am personally not letting it go down without a fight, it angers me to no end the arrogance coming from the federal government.

    Maybe these congressman will wake up to that fact at some point. They have been involved with stealing freedom and personal liberty with regard to health care decisions.

    They should be ashamed, they should feel awful at having to bribe each other to pass it.

    The bottom line, don’t take freedom in the guise of “ObamaCare” and not expect people to be royally pissed off beyond imagination.

    Having said that, I am not advocating violence toward any member of congress. I am just saying that this isn’t surprising and congress should take notice.

    Bart Stupak should lay awake at night feeling like crap for what he did and how badly he sold the country out. He’s a fraud and his retirement will come in November.

    This legislation amounts to little more than theft and puts the country on a faster road to bankruptcy. Frankly I’m surprised the march with torches and pitchforks on Capitol Hill hasn’t happened yet.

  • D.D.Mao

    None of us condone violence HOWEVER I don’t remember any outrage from the left when Acorn had bus tours of where the executives of the insurance companies and automobile executives live. I don’t remember the left saying squat about when the Black Panther party had thugs outside the polling places during the 2008 election.And I don’t remember the liberal left saying diddily about the SEIU thugs who were BEATING PEOPLE UP at the Town meetings.In fact Rep. Eric Cantor is at a press confrence at this very minute telling how bullets were fired through his office window……WHY? BECAUSE HE’S JEWISH! So cut the pompus BS because ALL THIS IS IS A PLOY for the Democrats who voted for this turd to get sympathy and flame outrage at the other side.This turd belongs to the left now lock,stock and barrel.!

    “If you can’t make them see the light make them feel the heat.”………………….Ronald Reagan

  • DD Mao,

    So you are saying violence is justified? Well **** it, let have a civil war and burn the country down to the ground. 🙂 That’ll show em! lol

  • D.D.Mao

    Kendale,Kendale,Kendale……READ MY FIRST SENTENCE!

    The liberal left like it or not between 2001 and 2008 redefined what is acceptable and what is not acceptable during political and public discourse.A group of people who embrace Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn of the Weathermen shouldn’t show rhetorical piety when it comes back to bite you on the butt.Oranize America is using you and sending out an “E” mail asking for $5 to fight this violence that ACORN and the SEIU probably did to draw sympathy,get contributions and draw the heat away from the Democrats who voted for this.Very similiar to the standard press release for liberal consumption during every election about how blacks are being kept from voting put out by Jesse Jackson and John Lewis.

  • D.D.Mao

    “Cherish therefore the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention. Do not be to severe upon their errors,but reclaim them by enlightening them. IF ONCE THEY BECOME INATTENTIVE TO PUBLIC AFFAIRS,YOU AND I,AND CONGRESS AND THE ASSEMBLIES,JUDGES AND GOVERNORS,SHALL ALL BECOME WOLVES.”…………. Thomas Jefferson 1787

    Damn I like that so much I think I’ll have a shirt made up with that to wear to the next Tea Party.

  • DD Mao,

    I knew what you were saying and you are correct, the left has done what the right is doing now, to a certain extent, but you’ll have to admit that it is getting a bit overboard with the violence right now. I too like that Thomas Jefferson qoute. I also know that every once in a while people have to do something dramatic to gain the attention of those who are either oppressing people or their morals/values/liverties ect…. That is our history. But I’ll sit back and watch as this thing unfolds. I will not commit acts of violence myself unless it’s in self defense.

  • D.D.Mao

    I have been to Tea Parties and plan to attend more.When the next Tea Party is on the 6 o’clock news look at the people who attended. They are middle age,middle class,middle America who don’t even leave trash at the sites no less being violent.They pose no violent threat to anyone…..AH! but theres the rub!.They might not pose a VIOLENT THREAT BUT THEY DO POSE A THREAT!They pose THE BIGGEST THREAT THE LEFT HAS SEEN IN YEARS. A threat to the agenda and re-election of Democrats in the Fall and everyone who would benefit FINANCIALLY from them being re-elected. And what TACTIC IS THE TACTIC OF CHOICE WITH THE LIBERAL LEFT?…..DISCREDIT THEM!They did it to Sarah Palin and every other politician who stood in their way.

    IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE VIOLENCE THAT IS HAPPENING CALL THE DNC AND TELL THEM YOU WILL NOT CONTRIBUTE UNTIL IT STOPS BY ACORN AND THE SEIU BECAUSE THERE IS NO PROOF THAT THE TEA PARTY PEOPLE ARE DOING IT! Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-SC) said he wants the Republicans to condemn it and “Silence gives consent”. Well the good Congressman should have had those thoughts last fall during the Townhall meetings and Americans were getting beaten up by the SEIU. ONCE WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE CONDEMN THE TEA PARTY VIOLENCE,AND THERE IS NO PROOF WE DID IT,WE LOST THE BATTLE. THE DEMOCRATS REALIZE POLITICS IS 24 HOURS A DAY,7 DAYS A WEEK,365 DAYS A YEAR….REPUBLICANS NEED TO LEARN THIS! WE DON’T ACKNOWLEDGE GUILT FOR SQUAT WE DIDN’T COMMIT!

  • I am all for Americans, regardless of political affiliation discrediting evil politicians. How ever you need to remove a dirty politician, go for it, outside of violence. I am not going to take heart, the violence being comitted. I am not going to take political action to decrease violence. Violence will be met with legal action. If I comit and act of violence, surely I will do jail or prison time, so those comitting acts of violence now should suffer the same consequences. I do not cower to violent people.

    I also think it’s childish to say, ” well such and such did this bad thing, so why not say something to them?” That is not a proper rebuttle to people comitting acts of violence. That is a childs way of diverting the attention of their act by pointing out the act of another person. Regardless of who is being violent and went, it all must be addressed approprietely.

    I do not point the finger at a political party or so called Tea Party people when I discuss violence being comitted now. I don’t care who it is, but these people should have legal actions taken against them.

    I believe that ALL politicians must speak out against these recent acts of violence, not out of guilt, but because it is the right thing to do. If someone places a coffin in your front yard DD Mao or tells you that a sniper will murder your wife and children, you would want those people brought to justice, would you not? I’m sure it would not matter to you which political party spoke out against it.

    But it is what it is as we say in the hood here in tampabay. I feel sorry for those who the violence has affected. I don’t worry myself much over it because I will defend myself against such people as I always have.

  • D.D.Mao

    Kendale:

    “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.”……………………..Thomas Paine

  • Because I’m sure I haven’t the ability to use reason

  • D.D.Mao

    There were two articles which sums up perfectly the STAGED THEATRICS the Democrats are trying to pull to distract and discredit the TEA PARTY movement.

    The first article is by Andrew Breitbart’s Big Government web site and is entitled “2010 A Race Oddyssey Disproving a Negative for Cash Prizes or How the Civil Rights Movement Jumped The Shark” In it he tells how members of the Congressional Black Caucus took a slow walk through the Tea Party of 21st of March hoping for a You Tube moment of someone yelling the “N” word.They had two members carrying hand held cameras and AS WE HAVE SEEN COULDN’T COME UP WITH ONE INCIDENT AS PROOF.In these times of phones with camers,blackberries and video recorders you would think they would have had SOME PROOF INSTEAD OF THESE MANUFACTURED ACCUSATIONS.MR. BREITBART IS OFFERING $10,000. FOR EVIDENCE THAT AN “N” WORD WAS SAID DURING THAT TEA PARTY AS THE CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS ALLEDGES.

    The second article is in the Denver Post by David Harsanyi and is entitled “Masters of Distraction”.It states that Rep. Russ Carnahan claims that a coffin was displayed NEAR HIS HOME.What wasn’t stated by the good Congressman was that the coffin was a prop used in a PEACEFULL POLITICAL CANDEL LIGHT PRAYER VIGIL.MAYBE THE CONGRESSMAN CONFUSED PRAYER CANDLES FOR TOURCHES? He goes on with some of the other examples I have stated in my previous post and also says “the reports of protestors using the “N” word were third hand and unsubstantiated”.He goes on to give an example of a REAL MOB DURING THE FRENCH REVOUTION OR to put it in more comtemorary terms as he said “THINK OF ANTI-CAPITALIST STONE THROWING,STARBUCK HATING,ECONOMIC JUSTICE THUGS.OR PERHAPS RADICAL ENVIROMENTALIST WHO BURN DOWN HOUSING PROJECTS AND RESEARCH FACILITIES IN THE NAME OF MOTHER EARTH.FOR A DOMESTIC TERRORIST YOU WON’T HAVE TO GO FURTHER THAN YOUR LOCAL UNIVERSITY.”

  • JD

    DD MAO, it doesn’t suprise me that you are supporting these acts and lack the ability to denounce them. Violence is met with violence. What violence has threatened these people?

    Threatening someone with death is something the mafia did and does. Are you claiming that you are for a party who uses death threats to try and sway people? It is criminal and I, too, hope they catch these people and they get what is coming to them. There is a place for demonstrating but placing coffins in peoples front yards is not one of them.

    If you can’t see this then you are as blind as any extremist group.

  • What JD and others are ignoring is the fact that during the time of Bart Stupak threatening to vote NO against the legislation, he was receiving equally disturbing death threats from liberals and progressives.

    Those threats were not widely reported, if at all in most cases. He could have released tapes of liberals leaving him messages cursing him out but he didn’t, instead of chose to use this politically.

    Also, the coffin in the front yard was a total scam, that did not happen as it was reported:

    http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2010/03/25/politico-fails-to-fact-check-carahans-coffin-con/

    Rep. Russ Carnahan (D-Mo.) had a coffin placed “near his home,” a spokesman said Wednesday evening.

    The coffin was from a prayer vigil, and protesters say that the coffin symbolized babies who would be aborted due to the health care law and was not a threat to Carnahan.

    Also, here is a refresher of the violence perpetrated by liberals:

    Eric Cantor’s office shot at overnight:
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/25/rep-cantors-richmond-campaign-office-shot-overnight/

    McCain workers attacked with mace:
    http://sweetness-light.com/archive/va-mccain-workers-attacked-with-mace

    G.O.P. Offices Were Vandalized:
    http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/96370/

    GOP county headquarters vandalized in VA:
    http://wtop.com/?nid=600&sid=1920793

    So please, liberals, step down off your ivory tower on this issue.

    There are people who go to extremes on both sides in terms of threatening violence. The TEA Parties are very peaceful demonstrations. If citizens are yelling at their congressmen, it’s because congress is ignoring them.

    Finally, to drive this point home as already mentioned by DDMao, here are liberal Service Employee International Union thugs beating up Kenneth Gladney who was selling pins at a health care town hall last summer:

    Feel the love from the liberals, they never get violent, right?

  • D.D.Mao

    JD……..YOUR POST IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE AS TO WHY I REFUSE(NOT THAT I LACK THE ABILITY AS YOU SAID)TO DENOUNCE THESE ACTS.You state “Are you claiming you are the party that uses death threats to try and sway people.” If I do denounce them AS YOU SAY I’M ADMITTING THE TEA PARTY
    people did it while my whole arguement is that it’s ACORN AND THE SEIU WHO ARE DOING THIS STAGED THEATRICS.THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO LOSE BIG FINANICALLY WHEN THE DEMOCRATS LOSE IN NOVEMBER.And JD YOUR HYPOCRISY DOESN’T SURPRISE ME.

    A THANK YOU TO NATE FOR ALL THE TIME YOU PUT INTO YOUR 1:29 pm POST

  • D.D.Mao

    “It takes a long time to do the necessary administrative steps that have to be taken to put legislation together TO CONTROL THE PEOPLE.”
    REP. JOHN DINGELL (D-MICH)

  • Bill Hedges

    Open up link and see the sign and protest against Bush

    Burning Bush in effigy. Movie about assassination of Bush. Bush shown with hand posed like Hitler. For those Liberals who didn’t SEE this and much more, maybe your news didn’t cover it. As with many things about Bush. Everything was Bush’s fault in the news…

    Like Nate’s article, this link is intense. Hang man’s noose connected to President is WRONG !!!

    “Death Threats Against Bush at Protests Ignored for Years”

    …”But the story of this arrest (against obama )got me to thinking: Why was no one ever arrested for threatening President Bush at protests, when they displayed signs in public that called for his death?”

    …“people threatened Bush at protests all the time by displaying menacing signs and messages — exactly as the anti-Obama protester just did in Maryland. Yet for reasons that are not entirely clear, none of those Bush-threateners at protests was ever arrested, questioned, or investigated (at least as far as I could tell).”

    “I contend that the media is aggressively reporting on, highlighting and pursuing any and all possible threats to President Obama — and even hints of threats — but they purposely glossed over, ignored or failed to report similar threats to President Bush.”

    “- A man who in 2008 made verbal threats towards Bush at the White House fence where he left a suspicious package;
    – A student who was quoted in a 2007 school publication as saying, “I would like to shoot George W. Bush, because in my opinion he is the worst president ever. After that was accomplished, I would be known as a national hero”;

    – A mentally deranged man who threatened to blow up the White House in January of 2009;
    – A graduate student who posted online threats against Bush in 2006;
    – A guy who was turned in to the authorities by his own girlfriend after he threatened to kill Bush during a phone call;
    …and so on.”

    …” all these instances of Bush-threateners being arrested happened outside of a protest setting.”

    …” Were any protesters ever arrested or questioned for displaying threatening messages about President Bush at a protest? And the answer is: No, not as far as I could tell.”

    “In another case, a woman with a t-shirt that read “President Bush You Killed My Son” was removed from a speech being given by Laura Bush. But once again, it was not her message which got her arrested, but the fact that she disrupted the speech and refused to leave when asked — leading to a charge of trespassing. Yet the media falsely implied that she was arrested simply due to the nature of her t-shirt message.”

    “An artist who painted a series of postage stamps showing Bush being shot had Secret Service agents inspect his art at one gallery opening and had the painting taken down by administrators at another — but he was never arrested or questioned. So once again, that is not an example of someone being arrested for a protest message against Bush.”

    http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

  • D.D.Mao

    I just fell upon this which is to good to pass up telling you about.
    Congressman Russ Carnahan (D-Missouri)who is the Congressman who had THE ALLEDGED THREAT OF A COFFIN LEFT ON HIS LAWN HAS AS HIS COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR A SARA HOWARD.According to the website “The Dana Show” in an article entitled “More Smooth Moves From Russ Carnahan”dated 16 September 2009 they give Ms. Howards resume.It seems Ms. Howard was “SENIOR STRAGEGIST IN THE OBAMA FOR AMERICA CAMPAIGN FROM OCTOBER 2008 TILL NOVEMBER 2008.BUT IN ADDITION SHE WAS NATIONAL MEDIA RELATIONS SPECIALIST FOR SEIU FROM JULY 2002 TILL OCTOBER 2008(6 YEARS AND 4 MONTHS).I knew the SEIU had something to do with this!

    You can find the resume at this site and if not able to access google the above information:

    http://www.thedanashow.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/more-smooth-moves-from-russ-carnahan/

  • D.D.Mao

    And WHAT IS THE SEIU REASONS FOR PUSHING GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE YOU ASK? YOU CAN FIND IT AT THIS SITE ALONG WITH A LINK TO A SEIU PRESENTATION EXPLAINING WHY:

    http://www.biggovernment.com/libertychick/2009/11/16/seiu-building-a-new-american-health-care-empire/

  • Again, we have rebuttle “Liberals have comitted acts of violence too!” As if that makes it ok to threaten to have snipers murder someones family. I don’t care what political affiliation you have. Violence is wrong.

    “TO DENOUNCE THESE ACTS.You state “Are you claiming you are the party that uses death threats to try and sway people.” If I do denounce them AS YOU SAY I’M ADMITTING THE TEA PARTY
    people did it while my whole arguement is that it’s ACORN AND THE SEIU WHO ARE DOING THIS STAGED THEATRICS.” DD Mao

    So if you say violence comitted is bad then you are admitting to some “Tea Party People” being the people comitting the acts? A duurrr. No you’re not, that is rediculous to assume such a thing. If I say violence is bad I am not admitting I comitted violence nor am I pointing the finger at anyone.

    That goes for you too Bill. You can not defend violence with violence. As far as name calling, well it’s annoying, but it’s not illegal. But threatening people and actually becoming physical is illegal, so it can not be justified. You can burn a stuffed doll and call it me all you want, I dont care, doesn’t bother me, and you might actually get away with it without getting arrested. But if you threaten me or my family, or become physical there are consequences.

    But, who cares, Nate, Bill, DD Mao, you will justify violence because it is being comitted against those whom you share different ideals with. That’s fine, it defines you and so I live with it. When the violence is turned against you personally, I will denounce it, but I will smirk at the same time.

  • Bill Hedges

    No one was arrested for signs that said KILL BUSH or film wanting him dead. Neither did I say people committing crimes should not go to jail if find guilty.

    Kendale said:

    “That goes for you too Bill. You can not defend violence with violence”

    Did I say anthing remotely likely that ?

    Here is all I wrote on this article, bunched together:

    “Open up link and see the sign and protest against Bush.
    Burning Bush in effigy. Movie about assassination of Bush. Bush shown with hand posed like Hitler. For those Liberals who didn’t SEE this and much more, maybe your news didn’t cover it. As with many things about Bush. Everything was Bush’s fault in the news…Like Nate’s article, this link is intense. Hang man’s noose connected to President is WRONG !!!”

  • D.D.Mao

    And tying the bundle of the SEIU,the Democrat leadership and the White House together I give you a “Memorandum” From: the “House Democrat Leadership” To:”Democrat Members of Congress” entitled “Strategic Communications Plan for August Health Care Reform”. Under the section called “Coordination” you will see where they state “The leadership is working in close coordination with the White House and outside groups including but not limited to HCAN,(a splinter group of the SEIU)Families USA, AFSCME,SEIU, AARP etc.

    This can be found at the following site showing how the union thugs were working under the Democrat Leadership and the White House:

    http://www.politico.com/static/PPM41_aug_strategic_plan_draft_(2).html

  • Bill,

    My appologies….I didn’t read your post.

  • D.D.Mao

    Psssst Kendale!…….THESE THREATS ARE A BUNCH OF MADEUP HOOEY BY THE DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP OR YOUR UNION THUGS MINIONS.JUST LIKE THEY TRIED TO PAINT THE TEA PARTY PEOPLE AS INSURANCE COMPANY OR RUSH LIMBAUGH PUPPETS THEY ARE OUT TO DISCREDIT US BECAUSE WE ARE THE BIGGEST THREAT OUT THERE TO YOU AND YOUR AGENDA.THERE HAS BEEN NO PICTURES OF US USING VIOLENCE OR AUDIO OF TELEPHONE THREATS OR US USING THE “N” WORD.IF YOU PUT DOWN YOUR KOOL-AID AND READ MY PAST POST I TIED IT ALL TOGETHER FOR YOU.

  • Bill Hedges

    Kendale

    You could learn by reading comments and accompanying links if any. Not all is as it may seem. You have admitted to jumping to conclusions because you did not even read. Make it a learning experience and actual read with understanding. It my challenge your politics. What is wrong with that ?

  • DD Mao,

    You use the words you and you as if I am being lumped in with a group of people. I have union thug minions? I’m a a part of no union and I assure you I have no affiliation to anyone accusing anyone of comitting acts of violence related to politics. You are also no threat to me or my agenda because I have no part in any political agenda’s. Outside of voting I play no role in politics whatsoever. I am also not drinking any mock koolaid either. So though I made an assumption about Bill based on his previous actions on the site, you have just made plenty about me.

    Bill,
    Wow, ok. Reading news articles will not change my views on life. I don’t believe much of what I read in the news. There is nothing wrong with reading it though I’ll agree. As I stated above I jumped to conclusions based on your past style of commenting and I appologized.

  • http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/27/AR2010032703085.html?hpid=topnews

    Obama uses recess appointments to fill 15 posts

    “An emboldened President Obama filled 15 key administration posts Saturday by bypassing the Senate, defying the GOP as he announced his first recess appointments since taking office.

    Among the appointees was Craig Becker, a Chicago-based labor attorney whose nomination to the National Labor Relations Board was blocked last month in the Senate. ”

    An interesting read. Obama seems to do everything he can to get what he wants done in the face of his opposition.

  • http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/03/28/1550274/what-didnt-get-into-the-healthcare.html

    What didn’t get into the healthcare bill

    “Under the final package, people earning twice the poverty level will have to pay 6.3 percent of their income toward premiums — 1.3 percentage points more than they would have had to pay under the original House bill. That means a family of four earning $44,100 a year will have to pay $2,778 a year in premiums, $573 more than they would have under the initial House bill.

    “There was a political calculation that they could raise this much revenue and have it be palatable politically, but that raising more would be too difficult,” said Linda Blumberg, a senior fellow at the center-left Urban Institute.

    While the original House bill limited out-of-pocket costs to $5,000 for individuals and $10,000 for families, the final version uses the Senate thresholds of $5,950 for individuals and $11,900 for most families. Some families receiving subsidies could end up spending as much as 22 percent of their incomes on healthcare premiums and costs. These financial protections — as well as the premium subsidies — will become weaker in future years if medical costs continue to outpace inflation.”

    Well that certainly is no fun.

  • http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j1ynxPOOTBmfOwpdAWnrlfYxVrpwD9EN9PSG0

    Obama: Loan changes overcome ‘politics of moment’

    “”This reform of the federal student loan programs will save taxpayers $68 billion over the next decade,” Obama said in his weekly Internet and radio address Saturday. “And with this legislation, we’re putting that money to use achieving a goal I set for America: By the end of this decade, we will once again have the highest proportion of college graduates in the world.””

    I hope this one works out. American’s should not be afraid to go to college simply out of fear of either not being able to afford it, or fear of not being able to pay back financial aid money after they graduate. What a silly reason for American’s to NOT have a College Education. Likely one of the reason why American’s fall behind other countries in higher education.

    Plus if it works out, my student loan payments may decrease. lol

  • Bill Hedges

    There are many things not mentioned in articles. Cost of near everything will go up. Caterpillar extra health cost $100 mil., Deere $150 Mil, AT&T $1 bil. With AT&T that is one quarter. Not sure about the rest if per quarter or year. Now figure most things you buy have added health cost. Count on higher prices for phone service, food, fuel, etc. Insurance and related health industries face same charges.

    Reason Doctor fix is not in Health law is $250 bil cost. Don’t want CBO figuring that in. Student loan is in because it makes profit and lowers CBO cost. When like OR, MA, Canada, England, Austria, & Cuba cost spirals out of estimates, Student loan interest will rise. Along with interest rates which is really low now. Oh yes, one State now can make student loans because of vote bought.

    All those thrown into Medicaid will require States in few years to cut services or raise taxes to pay for that. $500 Bil stolen from Medicare and added people, money also stolen from S/S help CBO give this health plan good marks. But sickens future. A PYRAMID SCHEME PUT ON FAST FAILURE.

    By the way right now children are not covered for pre-existing condition as many people thought. Others with pre-existing condition yes, in high risk group.

    With Feds controlling insurance companies rate increases, expect many to go under. Is the plan and now GOV has the means.

    Stopping appointments required Democrats help.

  • D.D.Mao

    Kendale……Please cut out the mock outrage. If anyone was using assumptions and profiling people IT WAS YOU! YES YOU WHO HAD THE TEA PARTY PEOPLE GUILTY OF EVERY VIOLENT CRIME YOUR PARTY ACCUSSED THEM OF AND WITHOUT ONE ONCE OF PROOF.Well here’s one more thing for you to ponder(or ignore). The same Democrat politician who said there was a coffin on his lawn and who’s Communications Director worked for SEIU for seven years IS THE SAME ONE WHO HAD KENNETH GLADNEY BEAT UP AT THE TOWNHALL MEETING.YOU PROBABLY NEVER READ ANY OF MY LINKS EITHER AND THEN YOU WONDER WHY I QUESTION YOUR ABILITY TO REASON.(SEE YOUR POST OF 26TH OF MARCH @ 7:08 pm)
    NOW YOU GO RIGHT ALONG AND IGNORE ME AND CHANGE THE TOPIC IF YOU WANT AND WE’LL KEEP GIVING THE MEDICINE TO THE DEAD.

  • I dont even know who a tea party person is, so how on earth did I blame them for anything? You’re delusional. I didn’t say that any person committed a violent crime, I simply stated that violent crimes should not be tolerated, I pointed no finger, not once. So get over it DD Mao. I dont care WHO did it, as I started before, IT DOESNT MATTER WHOOOOOOOOOO DID IT, IT IS WRONG!

    Stop being so defensive, are you guilty of something?

  • JD

    Nate, I don’t know where you where you got the wrong impression of me but as I stated before Violence is violence no matter the political party. I, of course, denounce it on either side. This is something Kendale made clear as well.

    You are just as guilty as others when you try to play the politcal card in order to condone it. Why is it so difficult to just say I don’t like the violence that is going on, nor, should it be condoned on the other side. But for what ever the reson you can’t. I do understand your point that some of it is being taken out of context.

    but if all you can say is, “well, the other guys are doing it.” Well, the “liberals on this site”, as you refer to us, have denounced it on any side of the coin.

    Maybe this could be something you and I can agree on…???

  • Bill Hedges

    JD

    Many times I am curious how you come up with your conclusions. Earlier you wrote:

    “DD MAO, it doesn’t suprise me that you are supporting these acts and lack the ability to denounce them. Violence is met with violence. What violence has threatened these people?”

    Supporting and not denouncing violence ?

    I took the trouble to actual re-read what DDMao wrote and for the life of me don’t get the connection between what he wrote and what you wrote.

    I’m not going to suggest you didn’t read his comments. Like Kendale condemns me of similar thing WITHOUT READING what I wrote. Maybe you did not understand DDMao and Nate. As Nate proved your jumping to conclusions over coffin incident. Can’t blame you totally, most correct news is Fox. Don’t believe you’re fond of them.

    JD just show where I, Nate, or DDMao do condone violence. After all, you wrote:

    “You are just as guilty as others when you try to play the politcal card in order to condone it.” referring to Nate.

    Use exact quotes as I have to prove me wrong. Who or whom among us from the right here condone violence ! Prove it and shame on us. Wrong, false allegation from you is not nice. Not going to be misunderstanding like when I give you credit for with over coffin comment.

    Or like Kendale, did you:

    “So though I made an assumption about Bill based on his previous actions on the site”…

    Lot of false cover in “previous actions.”

    Maybe you’ll come back when another article appears and you can simple skip this problem altogether !

  • What a waste, no wonder I have chosen not to say anything here for a while. Rather than discuss the subject at had we argue who says what and how what a person says in incorrect towards another person and yadda yadda, I don’t know how you consistently go on back and forth with “these people” JD.

  • Bill Hedges

    I’ve found most liberals don’t like being held accountable for their words.

    But enjoy putting words into the mouths of Conservatives.

  • D.D.Mao

    Ah yes the CONDECSENDING ELITIST ATTITUDE THAT THE LIBERAL LEFT IS NOW FAMOUS FOR.WHY DO THEY EVEN BOTHER WITH MIDDLE AMERICA? THEY KNOW WHAT IS GOOD FOR US SO AS SARAH PALIN SAID THEY WANT US TO “JUST SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN”.

    And if they can’t do that try to DIVIDE AND CONQUER TACTIC by trying to discredit the THREAT BY CALLING THEM NAZI’S.RADICALS,TERRORIST OR PUPPETS OF THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY OR RUSH LIMBAUGH.THEY MIGHT EVEN TRY TO PERSUADE MEMBERS TO AGREE WITH THEIR SIDE BY TRYING TO LOOK LIKE THEY ARE TAKING THE MORAL HIGH GROUND.BUT YOU WENT TO FAR THIS TIME AND WE WON’T GO AWAY!

  • D.D.Mao

    “We have defeated Communism and now we must defeat it’s evil step-child the Socialist left.”…..Margaret Thatcher

  • JD

    Kendale, It is the “allegory of the cave” that keeps me going. Plato’s Republic… I don’t know if you have read it but a quick Google search and you will see what I mean.

    DD Mao, if by elitist you mean “debate” then guilty as charged. You kind of remind me of the movie “Idiocracy”. Where the future is full of people who eat butter, watch people get kicked in the balls, and take male enhancements. Then when a guy comes along and says plants need water to grow not Gatorade…he is put on trial for being elitist and gay.

    You only make yourself sound more idiotic when you make those kinds of statements. I don’t claim to be able to change your mind nor does Nate delude himself into thinking he is going to change mine on certain issues but the importance of debate is the same.

    So let’s be clear, I don’t think you are an idiot for believing in what you believe but for acting like a child to get your point across. I am not looking to take the moral high ground but it might be time for you to grow up and act like an adult. If you don’t know how to use conversation and the English language to communicate then that doesn’t make us elitist.

    Now go throw a brick through your congressman’s front door because he and I made you angry!

  • Bill Hedges

    JD

    “JD just show where I, Nate, or DDMao do condone violence.”

  • D.D.Mao

    I MUST HAVE HIT A NERVE THEY ARE SAYING I HAVE TROUBLE CONVEYING AN IDEA LIKE AN ADULT!TSH,TSH,TSH,MAYBE IT HAS TO DO WITH ME CONVEYING MY IDEAS TO WELL. WHAT DO YOU THINK GANG?

    Well it sounds like I made JD’s shit list. I can now cross that off my ‘BUCKET LIST”.

  • I have never used the argument of “the other guys are doing it so it is ok,” I have only pointed out the fact that the media and people like yourself immediately ran to blast right-wing activists as being the violent ones.

    For more examples, here are today’s liberal displays of peace and love following the health care bill:

    Man arrested for Eric Cantor death threat

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/35152.html

    Federal authorities have arrested a Philadelphia man and charged him with threatening to kill House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and his family.

    Also, here are the peace-loving liberals hurling eggs at the TEA Party bus in Harry Reid’s hometown:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304370304575151830740900748.html?mod=WSJ_latestheadlines

    When Mr. Breitbart approached to chat with the Reid supporters, he saw several throwing eggs at the Tea Party Express buses. The protesters, he says, quickly surrounded him, including one who declared: “I’m going to have to go to jail today if this guy [Breitbart] doesn’t leave.”

    The Democrats cannot politicize the issue of violent threats against them despite their best efforts. It is such a farce and the media plays into it.


    DDMao, don’t worry about it. If you are on JD’s list, I am the president of his list.

    Furthermore, the sunlight outside JD’s cave is the truth of conservatism and the epic failure of liberalism on so many counts. The truth of failing/bankrupt social programs is the sunlight exposing the truth to the liberals in the cave viewing their social program shadows as reality. JD has been exposed to this truth time and time again yet he returns the cave quickly to be reunited with make-believe liberal ideas.

    Hopefully JD will be dragged out of the cave at some point and exposed to the truth despite his refusal in wanting to understand it.

  • JD

    Nate, don’t ruin it for DDM. He hasn’t read it but then again it isn’t a picture book.

    Still, Nate, I said from the begining that I was hoping people don’t resort to violence and it was in reference to when you said there are others that believe as you do and maybe more.

    I then went on to say that, I agree that some of this is being taken out of context.

    I then said, You would think this is something both sides of us can agree on.

    We have both stated our opinoins that both sides are guilty and you would think we are running out of breath on the matter so lets be democratic about this. Lets take it to a vote.

    Yea = for the violencethreats or that it is justified
    Nay = Against the violencethreats or they are not justified

    JD = Nay

  • Bill Hedges

    JD

    Why the vote, you said:

    “You are just as guilty as others when you try to play the politcal card in order to condone it.” referring to Nate.

    We condone, guilty without evidence… The liberal way.

    Unless you wish to retract your statement ? Would be un-JD like.

  • JD

    Simple Yea or Nay, Bill. Isn’t that difficult is it?

  • Bill Hedges

    Is easy.

    But no one condoned violence in their writings. No need.

    You on the other hand made accusations. Why should anybody have a need to meet your request.

    You haven’t apologized. At least Kendale did to me. I have to give him credit for that. Although not reading my comment and jumping to conclusion is something else. Plus later he mde up an excuss.

  • D.D.Mao

    “STILL LOOKING FOR THE MORAL HIGH GROUND OR THE CLEAN SIDE OF THAT TURD JD?……..BILL’S RIGHT THERES NO NEED FOR A VOTE.

  • JD

    wow. lol. You guys really are representative of your party. Asked for a vote and you couldn’t do it. WTF? hahahahahaha….

    Seriously, was the request that much for you to do? Did it violate some kind of principle? I mean a simple “yea” I am for the violence or a “nay” i am against the violence.

    But no… all you could do is say how you are too good for the vote. How “off” I am to even be asking. Give me a break.

    Listen, my vote is a “Nay”. I do not condone violence no matter if it comes from Dems, Republicans, or anyone in between. Are you that afraid to agree with me that you can’t even stand and be counted? Classic no vote but complain attitude.

  • Bill Hedges

    Totally in denial.

    Did you read the previous 2 comments when you answered ? Your answer has no or little relationship to us. Your answer relates to your previous comments. Denial/ ignorning of DDMao and mine response.

  • Bill Hedges

    You haven’t apologized.

    Just insult… AFRAID, etc.

  • D.D.Mao

    Bill it has to do with being A LIBERAL ELITE. YOU DON’T HAVE TO APOLIGIZE TO MIDDLE AMERICA.

    HOPE YOU ENJOYED THE INFORMATION I SUPPLIED ABOUT YOUR MISSOURI CONGRESSMAN……….DDM

  • Bill Hedges

    MISSOURI CONGRESSMAN is all I can say. We have another that runs with obama in campaign. Not from my area. Thank goodness.

    I remember making a small mistake in my comment awhile back. I admitted the obvious. Two liberals, no names, made fun of me. Going back and forth over it. I don’t believe I pointed out, hey my mistakes are nothing compared to yours. So long ago I may have.

    JD does not have to admit as far as I am concerned. He knows. He knows we know. Would have been better for him personal had he just admitted he made an error.

    I think you mentioned on this article about changing subject to cover up. If right, JD last comment sure tried.
    ………………..

    Just heard on Fox 1,000 vultures are at retirement home roosting. Could it be in obamacare to cut down on funeral costs ?

  • Bill Hedges

    Just heard on Fox.

    This kind of goes along with falsely blaming.

    Steel was said to have spent $2,000 in strip joint for food ????? Maybe something else ? I know he is big, but $2 grand of food.

    Article was wrong. CA paper carrying article refuses to retract. Wonder if it is liberal ?

    I guess we should all say it is wrong to spend Party money in Strip joints. Though I think it is a given.

  • Bill Hedges

    I THOUGHT OF THIS. DID NOT HEAR DICK MORRIS SAY THIS ON HANNITY JUST NOW…

    Well, yeah I did. But why did I not think of this.

    Who must pass budgets. CONGRESS. Can we get simple majority in both Houses.

    Then…

    No funding for obamacare.

    Am I last one to connect the dots ?

  • D.D.Mao

    Well theres no end to the mischief Democrats and the SEIU can find and blame it on the TEA PARTY MOVEMENT.According to a Michelle Malkin column from 22nd December 2009 entitled “Unhinged Left Wing Hate Crime Hoaxer Pleads Guilty In Denver” she says activist named Maurice Joseph Schwenkler age 24 pleaded guilty to smashing 11 windows at the Colorado Democratic Party Headquarters last August.It seems young Mr. Schwenkler HAD WORKED FOR THE SEIU TIED 527 GROUP COLORADO CITIZENS COALITION.And naturally the TEA PARTY was blamed after the attack.SORT OF RINGS A BELL WITH A CERTAIN COFFIN? The story can be found at:

    http://www.michellemalkin.com/2009/12/22/unhinged-update-left-wing-hate-crime-hoaxer-pleads-guilty-in-denver/

  • D.D.Mao

    JD……..You want to know why we didn’t fall for some of the tactics you tried to pull during the above thread?……not because were stupid but because we read Saul Alinsky also! Just some of his “Rules for Radicals” are as follows:

    1)”Ridicule is mans most pontent weapon”

    2)”Watch how many organizations under attack are blind sided by seemingly irrelevant arguements that they are forced to address”

    3)An organizer must stir up dis-satisfaction and discontent”

  • JD

    bahahahahahahaha…. Please tell me some one else is reading this and is also having a good laugh. Thanks DDM for my Tuesday Morning funnies.

  • “I have never used the argument of “the other guys are doing it so it is ok,” I have only pointed out the fact that the media and people like yourself immediately ran to blast right-wing activists as being the violent ones. ” – Nate

    Where did I say republicans did anything?

    Here’s a song

    Rage Against the Machine – “Bullet in your head”

    And no the above is not a threat, I’m not using Sarah Palin’s tactics to start anything. Just felt he song was appropriate.

  • Bill Hedges

    “Where did I say republicans did anything?”

    Here:

    “I’m not using Sarah Palin’s tactics to start anything.”

  • That was a joke of course, just as those on the media who made a big deal out of Palin in general. Palin is nothing more the a media who*e and her followers are ignorant. Anyone who brings her up ever in the media are buffoons. Of course you would use a comment I made after my question and not before which proves the point I was making. I did not say that, durr. lol

  • Bill Hedges

    Kendale said:

    “Anyone who brings her up ever in the media are buffoons.”

    Kendale said:

    “Palin”

    This is a media.

  • I’ll let JD handle the lite weight weak fellaz.

  • JD

    Kendale, I am not sure how to take that last comment? Are you suggesting i am the only one who deals with garbage?

    Then again, DDM is always talking about picking up dirty turds and keeping your hands clean… What is with that? Interesting that his mind always goes to finkle matter.

  • TheGreatZ

    I can understand people being against the healthcare bill on the grounds of a belief that government does not handle things as well as the private sector, but why such anger over this bill and not over other national programs? Why are some people so angry about this they are willing to resort to violence but nobody is that angry about the Post Office or farm subsidies? What makes this unique?

  • The GreatZ, some people just need SOMETHING to be angry about.