ObamaCare spells certain doom for Democrats in 2010

At this point, we all know the public is solidly against ObamaCare as a majority. There are small aspects some voters like but by and large, all polls show solid opposition yet the Democrats in congress and the White House are totally blind to this fact.

Two top Democratic strategists/pollsters, Patrick H. Caddell and Douglas E. Schoen, put out a piece today in the Washington Post explaining this and it is a fantastic read:

In “The March of Folly,” Barbara Tuchman asked, “Why do holders of high office so often act contrary to the way reason points and enlightened self-interest suggests?” Her assessment of self-deception — “acting according to wish while not allowing oneself to be deflected by the facts” — captures the conditions that are gripping President Obama and the Democratic Party leadership as they renew their efforts to enact health-care reform.

Their blind persistence in the face of reality threatens to turn this political march of folly into an electoral rout in November. In the wake of the stinging loss in Massachusetts, there was a moment when the president and the Democratic leadership seemed to realize the reality of the health-care situation. Yet like some seductive siren of Greek mythology, the lure of health-care reform has arisen again.

Obama’s insistence that Americans want this “reform” package is nonsense and couldn’t be further from the truth. I guess the hope is that if he says it enough times, we’ll start to believe it.


Bluntly put, this is the political reality:

First, the battle for public opinion has been lost. Comprehensive health care has been lost. If it fails, as appears possible, Democrats will face the brunt of the electorate’s reaction. If it passes, however, Democrats will face a far greater calamitous reaction at the polls. Wishing, praying or pretending will not change these outcomes.

Nothing has been more disconcerting than to watch Democratic politicians and their media supporters deceive themselves into believing that the public favors the Democrats’ current health-care plan. Yes, most Americans believe, as we do, that real health-care reform is needed. And yes, certain proposals in the plan are supported by the public.

However, a solid majority of Americans opposes the massive health-reform plan. Four-fifths of those who oppose the plan strongly oppose it, according to Rasmussen polling this week, while only half of those who support the plan do so strongly. Many more Americans believe the legislation will worsen their health care, cost them more personally and add significantly to the national deficit. Never in our experience as pollsters can we recall such self-deluding misconstruction of survey data.

The White House document released Thursday arguing that reform is becoming more popular is in large part fighting the last war. This isn’t 1994; it’s 2010. And the bottom line is that the American public is overwhelmingly against this bill in its totality even if they like some of its parts.

The notion that once enactment is forced, the public will suddenly embrace health-care reform could not be further from the truth — and is likely to become a rallying cry for disaffected Republicans, independents and, yes, Democrats.

America does not support this plan and we do not want bigger government intruding into our lives. If Obamacare passes, 2010 will be a bloodbath year for Democrats hoping to get reelected.


Second, the country is moving away from big government, with distrust growing more generally toward the role of government in our lives. Scott Rasmussen asked last month whose decisions people feared more in health care: that of the federal government or of insurance companies. By 51 percent to 39 percent, respondents feared the decisions of federal government more. This is astounding given the generally negative perception of insurance companies.

That right there is enough to put this into perspective. As much as Pelosi/Reid/Obama have all vilified insurance companies, people would still prefer to have insurance making decisions as opposed to the federal government. Obama cannot erase decades of incompetence (especially when he’s piling on more incompetence) and expect people to just start trusting a bloated, out-of-control government to be efficient and fair.


CNN found last month that 56 percent of Americans believe that the government has become so powerful it constitutes an immediate threat to the freedom and rights of citizens. When only 21 percent of Americans say that Washington operates with the consent of the governed, as was also reported last month, we face an alarming crisis.

Health care is no longer a debate about the merits of specific initiatives. Since the spectacle of Christmas dealmaking to ensure passage of the Senate bill, the issue, in voters’ minds, has become less about health care than about the government and a political majority that will neither hear nor heed the will of the people.

Voters are hardly enthralled with the GOP, but the Democrats are pursuing policies that are out of step with the way ordinary Americans think and feel about politics and government. Barring some change of approach, they will be punished severely at the polls.

Now, we vigorously opposed Republican efforts in the Bush administration to employ the “nuclear option” in judicial confirmations. We are similarly concerned by Democrats’ efforts to manipulate passage of a health-care bill. Doing so in the face of constant majority opposition invites a backlash against the party at every level — and at a time when it already faces the prospect of losing 30 or more House seats and eight or more Senate seats.

For Democrats to begin turning around their political fortunes there has to be a frank acknowledgment that the comprehensive health-care initiative is a failure, regardless of whether it passes. There are enough Republican and Democratic proposals — such as purchasing insurance across state lines, malpractice reform, incrementally increasing coverage, initiatives to hold down costs, covering preexisting conditions and ensuring portability — that can win bipartisan support. It is not a question of starting over but of taking the best of both parties and presenting that as representative of what we need to do to achieve meaningful reform. Such a proposal could even become a template for the central agenda items for the American people: jobs and economic development.

Unless the Democrats fundamentally change their approach, they will produce not just a march of folly but also run the risk of unmitigated disaster in November.

Caddell and Schoen predict losing 30+ House seats and 8+ Senate seats if the Democrats manage to squeak Obamacare through without legitimate votes or process. Being so blinded to outside criticism sounds a lot like what the Democrats used to complain about President Bush regarding to the Iraq War.

President Obama and congressional Democrats are waging a Jihad against private health insurance. They do not listen to reason. They do not listen to voters. They are focused only on the end goal so they will be rewarded in their progressive circles for having nationalized one-sixth of the American economy. There is no rhyme or reason to what they’re doing, much like a terrorist waging blind Jihad against the “infidels.”

  • Bill Hedges

    The New York Times says Fox news sabotaged the health care plan. I’m afraid this site has added to this problem. Informed people are against this obamacare.

    One only has to listen to the people at the town hall meetings to know they are educated to the health care issues. So what happen? Nancy Pelosi says ‘We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it…’


    Folks, that’s transparency. He has changed politics in D.C.. From the usual.

    Fox news has sabotaged the health care plan.

    The spectacle in D.C. is far better than Hollywood. Pelosi urges member to vote for health care and relinquish their seats come November. Others resign or simple refuse to run for office. Harry Reid seems destined for his rocking chair on his own front porch.

    Her majesty herself, Nancy, by a 401 to 1 vote, is headed to Ethics Committee involving delayed reporting of sexual harassment by Massa. 401 to 1. 401 to 1. Gee whiz. Democrats hate that girl! Wonder who the escape goat is ??? Foley must be laughing in his grave, if dead. If alive, will die laughing.

    The President with the most foreign travel, has post-pond his latest trip abroad. To save health care as he succeeded in getting Olympic games brought here to America and single handily got agreement on global warming. With his help, health care will succeed as well (excuse my sarcasm).

    There isn’t much I can say about obamacare. Seriously.

    I like to end with quotes. This one seems to fit:

    “Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door.”
    Ralph Waldo Emerson

    Obama, nobody is knocking on your door for obamacare.

    Few Democrats want you campaigning for them. Is lonely at the top. When you have 44% total approval rating:


    Obama: ‘I Give Myself A Solid B+’


    I would quote Rush on hoping he does not succeed, but, I don’t hit a guy when he’s out.

  • D.D.Mao

    Unfortunatly the Democrats /Progressives believe in politics being a 24 hour 7 days a week job where the Republicans WHILE FUNDRAISING IS YEAR ROUND ONLY BECOME SERIOUS EXPRESSING POLICY FROM LABOR DAY TO ELECTION DAY.As I stated before the Democrats are prefectly willing to lose the election 2010 war in order to win this battle on health care.And if you ASSUME that the Republicans are going to overturn a passed health care bill once they control Congress just ask yourself as Mark Steyn said “Like they rolled back all those other UNSUSTAINABLE ENTITLEMENTS PREMISED ON COBWEBBED ACTUARIAL TABLES THE PAST 80 YEARS?”


  • Bill Hedges

    Vote for S/S shows program was popular in Congress:


    “Townsend suggesed that his Old Age Revolving Pension Plan could be financed by a Federal tax on all sales (wholesale and retail).The plan obtained a great deal of public support and by 1935 his Townsend Club had over 5 million members.”

    “In 1935 Townsend handed in to President Franklin D. Roosevelt a petition supporting the Old Age Revolving Pension Plan that had been signed by over 20 million people. In response to the petition, Congress passed the Social Security Act“.


    As we know the polls are against obamacare.

    20,000,000 sign petition that was given to FDR. Congress soundly passed S/S.

    So, I see a big difference between S/S and obamacare. I could see Congress overturning obamacare if passed.

    It does not take guts to get rid of a bad law that is hated by the public.

    “Health care is a loser for the Left only if the Right has the steel to undo it. The Left is banking on an absence of steel. Why is that a bad bet?”

    Sunday, March 07, 2010

    Mark Steyn

  • D.D.Mao

    “If men were angels,no government would be necessary.If angels were to govern men,neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.IN FORMING A GOVERNMENT WHICH IS TO BE ADMINISTRATED BY MEN OVER MEN,THE GREAT DIFFICULTY LIES IN THIS:YOU MUST FIRST ENABLE THE GOVERNMENT TO CONTROL THE GOVERNED,AND IN THE NEXT TO OBLIGE IT TO CONTROL ITSELF.”
    James Madison Federalist No.51

    Bill……As we can see WASHINGTON IS NOT GOVERNED BY ANGELS BUT BY ANGLES AND THE MEN WHO WE ELECTED TO CONTROL THE GOVERENED CAN NOT EVEN CONTROL THEMSELVES.I believe Mark Steyn covered why it’s a bad bet of Republicans un-doing any health care during the course of the article you quote from. Mr. Steyn,the Founding Fathers and myself all have a deep belief in the inherited flaws in mans character which the Founding Fathers tried to correct with checks and balances written in the Constitution.But coming from one who IGNORED the creeping socialism under Congress during the previous administration I can understand your delusional thinking of how Republicans will correct course on the rudderless ship of state.

  • D.D.Mao

    Nate…….In President Obamas suicidal attack on pushing this legislation through I see a strong resemblance to the stubborn insistance Woodrow Wilson had shown with the Senate trying to pass the League of Nations in 1919.Although President Wilson was on his second term President Obama stated many times how he doesn’t care about re-election as long as this health care goes through.Neither one listened to polls and pressured Congress well past the bill being announced dead.

  • Bill Hedges

    “The former Speaker outlined 10 suggested areas for GOP leaders to focus on ahead of a potential new contract (in Gingrich’s words):”

    “Jobs, jobs, jobs
    Balance the budget
    An American energy plan
    Congressional appropriations reform
    Litigation reform
    Real health reform
    Every child gets ahead
    Protect religious liberty
    Protect Americans, not the rights of terrorists
    Defending America is job one for government”

    “Still, Gingrich warned GOP officials to not take the prospect of a new contract lightly, warning that “a contract is an explicit commitment to act,” and not a party platform.”


    “Political Players: Sen. Alexander Predicts Health Care Repeal Push, Embraces Tea Partiers”
    Mar 4 2010, 9:01 AM ET


    I don’t see myself as having “delusional thinking ”. I am surprised to hear you say that frankly.


    what other “UNSUSTAINABLE ENTITLEMENTS “ has the people been against that passed ?

    I see in the resolve of all Republican Senators to defeat. Headed by Senator who actual allowed the health bill to get past committee, Snowe (R-Maine).

    Tea party becoming a increment part of the Republican party.

    Add another contract with America.

    The Democrat party is falling apart. By a vote of 402 to 1 Queen Pelosi if going to ethic committee. She rules health care in House.

    Incumbents are not doing well on obama’s 45% shirt tails. Some don’t want his help. They are not running or leaving office. Obama did not do well campaigning for Harry Reid. Liberal land got a pick up truck. Patrick Kennedy is giving crazy speeches and not running.

    Democrats are in disarray.

    I do not place Republicans in either category, angels or angles. Nor do I accept Mark Steyn premises. I have my doubts that health care will pass. But is it does, the plan does not go into effect untul 2014 and can easily be repealed.

    “Health care is a loser for the Left only if the Right has the steel to undo it…”

    Mark Steyn

    “It does not take guts to get rid of a bad law that is hated by the public.”

    Called Self Preservation…

  • D.D.Mao


    As far as Sen. Alexander every politician in the Republican party is NOW ATTEMPTING TO RUN ON THE COAT TAILS OF THE TEA PARTIES IN ORDER TO GET RE-ELECTED……THERE IS YOUR SELF PRESERVATION! What they don’t understand is IT IS THEM THAT ARE THE PROBLEM NOT THE SOLUTION ESPECIALLY SEN. SNOWE FROM MAINE.It is RINO politicians like her that I advocate sending contributions to The Club For Growth AND NOT THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE.


  • Bill Hedges

    To balance the budget you must cut spending.. Republicans believe for the most part precision tax cuts increase government revenue through growth in private sector. Of course smaller government and federal expenditures. Freeing up capital for private expansion. Is our way to job, jobs, jobs.


    You can not simple balance yearly federal budget with $50-60 trillion in social program debt. Is ticking time bomb.

    DDMao says:

    “As far as Sen. Alexander every politician in the Republican party is NOW ATTEMPTING TO RUN ON THE COAT TAILS OF THE TEA PARTIES IN ORDER TO GET RE-ELECTED.”

    Ok, prove he simple is trying to “RUN ON THE COAT TAILS ”. Maybe he is a wolf in sheep clothing. Simple prove it.I don’t want that type in Congress.

    Fact is Republicans are in reconstruction while Democrats are in demolition. Tea party has roots in Reaganism economics and ideas in Newt’s revolution.

    DDMao wrote:

    “What other entitlements or spending did THE CONGRESS PASS THAT ARE UNSUSTAINABLE?”

    I actually wrote:
    “what other “UNSUSTAINABLE ENTITLEMENTS “ has the people been against that passed ?”

    BAILOUTS was hated but not an entitlement. Most of Bush’s bail out was paid back with high interest. Saved our economy as a minor side effect bonus.

    “Bank bailouts appear to be paying off”
    “The U.S. gets billions back as Wall Street rebounds. But critics say the TARP fund will still end up in the red.”


    There was also this minor problem:

    Sunday, February 8, 2009

    “How The World Almost Came To An End At 2PM On September 18”


    DDMao said


    This was unpopular with the people ?

    “PROBITION” was not a entitlement

    I am not wide eyes either. Even to a fellow I mostly agree with…

  • Bill Hedges

    As Newt did , so can the this united Republicans can do also.

    “Newt Gingrich and company — for all their faults — have received virtually no credit for balancing the budget. Yet today’s surplus is, in part, a byproduct of the GOP’s single-minded crusade to end 30 years of red ink. Arguably, Gingrich’s finest hour as Speaker came in March 1995 when he rallied the entire Republican House caucus behind the idea of eliminating the deficit within seven years.”

    “Skeptics said it could not be done in seven years. The GOP did it in four.”


  • D.D.Mao

    Bill……You would ASSUME THAT IN ORDER TO BALANCE THE BUDGET THEY WOULD HAVE TO CUT SPENDING.BACK IN THE 1990’S THE BUDGET WAS BROUGHT DOWN DUE TO THE END OF THE COLD WAR SPENDING AND THE TECH BUBBLE.You don’t have to lecture me on SOCIAL PROGRAM DEBT.I WANT TO KNOW which cockamamie spending projects is going to be cut from which REPUBLICAN Congressional districts because we are at war and can’t afford spending cuts in the military and the Tech bubble burst.

    NOW IN REGARD TO SEN. ALEXANDER if you read the article FROM THE ATLANTIC (of all the places you could choose)you would learn that he states if health care goes through the “campaign to repeal it will dominate the rest of the year.” WELL GREAT SENATOR BUT YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR!He then goes on to answer the question “Do you think the Tea Party movement plays a big part in the Republican party and is the Tea Party movement good for the Republican Party.” Sen. Alexander responds:”I WOULD RATHER BE THE PARTY THAT CAPTURES FERMENT OF THE MOVEMENT THAN THE PARTY THAT IS RUNNING AGAINST IT AND THE FERMENT OF THE MOMENT IS SYMBOLIZED BY THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT.” Republicans aren’t in reconstruction……THEY ARE GOOD AT KEEPING SEATS WARM…..DEAL WITH IT!

    YOUR BELOVED REPUBLICAN CONGRESS AND G.W.B. GOT US INTO THIS BY BAILOUTS. IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT NAME THEY WENT UNDER.They spendt like sober Liberals when they had power and they will spend like sober Liberals again once they get back into power.As one of your articles state “TARP will still end up in the RED” after the government SUPPOSEDLY gets paid back.


    If this isn’t wide eyed innocence then it must mean your eyes are closed to Republicans in Congress and what it means to America by re-electing them.

    Respectfully D.D.Mao

  • Bill Hedges

    For one, the pork ridden stimulus law is not all spent. Enactment of Republican health plan, unlike obamacare, will cost government less money.


    I don’t understand the relevance of Tech bubble burst now.

    My purpose of using SEN. ALEXANDER was not to hold him up to high esteem. As I said if he is a wolf in sheep clothing I do not want him in office. Governor of LA or Steve Brown I should have used as example, my mistake. There is a reason of flight from office for Democrats. That being mad citizens yelling out their window that they don’t want obama’s agenda. Tea party a by product.

    You fail to mention most of Bush bail out is being paid back with high interest.

    Prohibition is totally different. I would say a moral issue. Obamacare only collects money for first 4 years to create a program that is maybe balanced with 6 years of benefit. Not including Doctor fix.

    You have not pointed out “what other “UNSUSTAINABLE ENTITLEMENTS “ has the people been against that passed ?”. How do you know from historic evidence it won’t happen.Would take 13 years when the public is totally against. Is not a moral issue.

    Because of Clinton caused recession,


    bail out was necessary. You failed to address:

    “How The World Almost Came To An End At 2PM On September 18”

    Without bail out we could have a second day similar day to that.

    I would rather you left, me personal, out of this. Appears to be used as sign of winning discussion.

  • Bill Hedges

    “In the beginning of the 20th century, there were Temperance organizations in nearly every state. By 1916, over half of the U.S. states already had statutes that prohibited alcohol. In 1919, the 18th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which prohibited the sale and manufacture of alcohol, was ratified. It went into effect on January 16, 1920.”


    Prohibition was wanted by people. Reason it took nearly 14 years to appeal.

    Obamacare is not wanted.

  • D.D.Mao

    “No government ever reduces itself in size.Actually a government program is the nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this Earth.”……Ronald Reagan

    “When a people are hurting it is the responsibility of government to come to there aid.”
    George W. Bush

    Bill…Then I suppose we agree that we disagree on the best way to defeat unlimited government FROM EITHER PARTY is to stop it BEFORE IT GETS ENACTED.It is a bit disheartening to learn that you can’t distinglish that any form of unlimited government program that makes a people dependent is a form of slavery and tyranny and providing such is not a requisite of our government as written in the Constitution.

  • Howard Smith

    I am a disabled ‘Nam vet.I pick out earmarks every day,find them on “Google Earth”,look up who owns the property and who will benefit and then call whomever “earmarked”it and and ask them why.I have not gotten an honest answer in over 100 phone calls.I am going to vote against every office holder in office in the next election.Starting with the “dogcatcher”in my own hometown.Term Limits,plain and simple.OK,boys and girls,it is time to “PLOW AND WEED THIS GARDEN”.
    Howard Smith,

  • Bill Hedges

    Did Reagan ever face a program that was disliked by the people similar to obamacare ? I don’t think so.

    Your example of Prohibition was wanted by people, years later, appealed.

    Yes Bush was a caring person, even received award for his help in Africa.

    I do not understand your statement. Seems disconnected from our discussion here to me:

    “It is a bit disheartening to learn that you can’t distinglish that any form of unlimited government program that makes a people dependent is a form of slavery and tyranny and providing such is not a requisite of our government as written in the Constitution.”

    I am against obamacare. I am firmly for privatized health care as outlined by GOP plan. Which only takes away bad regulations and allow open competition, tort reform, etc.

    I admire the few private S/S developed before Congress closed the loop hole. They are in black, pay more, and follows the family after death if not cashed out. I stated I want smaller government…

    The bone of contention between us are 3 fold as I see it. I am not a fan of Mark Steyn, believe government can be made smaller, and obamacare if passed can be repelled.

    Anyhow, I went to writing just one solitary comment perhaps 4 times a month for a reason. Same circumstance still exist so I will continue that practice.

  • D.D.Mao



  • Bill Hedges

    Howard Smith of NC

    Good job. We need more weed exterminators.

  • Bill Hedges

    Rest of the story…

    “A TIME FOR CHOOSING (The Speech – October 27, 1964)”

    “No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. So governments’ programs, once launched, never disappear.”

    “Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we’ll ever see on this earth.”

    “Federal employees—federal employees number two and a half million; and federal, state, and local, one out of six of the nation’s work force employed by government. These proliferating bureaus with their thousands of regulations have cost us many of our constitutional safeguards. How many of us realize that today federal agents can invade a man’s property without a warrant? They can impose a fine without a formal hearing, let alone a trial by jury? And they can seize and sell his property at auction to enforce the payment of that fine. In Chico County, Arkansas, James Wier over-planted his rice allotment. The government obtained a 17,000 dollar judgment. And a U.S. marshal sold his 960-acre farm at auction. The government said it was necessary as a warning to others to make the system work.”


    Regan did change regulations…

  • Bill Hedges

    Some quotes stand alone and no need for links. Others require links. I wondered were DDMao links were. So I searched.

    Here is some digging I did:

    “First, with a significantly bigger and more powerful government bureaucracy, there will be many avenues for leadership to reward Democrats who lose their seats after casting the unpopular votes necessary to enact the Left’s program. White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, who spent his post-Clinton wilderness months in a lucrative sinecure at Freddie Mac, knows well how this game works — and, under Obama’s command, the economy is becoming one big Freddie.”

    “Second, and more important, Democrats know the electoral setbacks will only be temporary. They are banking on the assurance that Republicans merely want to win elections and have no intention of rolling back Obamacare?, much less of dismantling Leviathan.”

    “For my money (while I still have some), that’s an eminently sound bet. The Bunning battle, in which the GOP was nowhere to be found, is the proof. Bunning just wanted Congress to live within its gargantuan means. Yet, the Washington Post ridiculed him: “angry and alone, a one-man blockade against unemployment benefits, Medicare payments to doctors, satellite TV to rural Americans and paychecks to highway workers.” That’s outrageously unfair, but it is a day at the beach compared to the Armageddon that would be unleashed upon any attempt to undo Obama’s welfare state on steroids.”

    “As it turns out, Republicans didn’t have the stomach for a fight over wealth transfers that plainly exacerbate the problem of unemployment. Why would anyone think they’d take on a far more demanding war, in which Democrats and the legacy media would relentlessly indict them for “denying health insurance to millions of Americans”?

    “Even if the GOP gets a majority for a couple of cycles, even if President Obama is defeated in his 2012 reelection bid, Obamacare will be forever. And once the public sees that the GOP won’t try to dismantle Obamacare, it will lose any enthusiasm for Republicans. Democrats will eventually return to power, and it will be power over a much bigger, much more intrusive government.”

    “Health care is a loser for the Left only if the Right has the steel to undo it. The Left is banking on an absence of steel. Why is that a bad bet?”


    Ths guys seems to think Republicans don’t have the stonach to get get of obamacare, not that they can’t.

    I admire CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, I would like sorce to read the WHOLE STORY. Maybe DDMao you will provide.

  • D.D.Mao

    Bill…….If this link doesn’t work try googling Fox News website an article entitled “Panel on Back and Forth Votes on Health Care Reform” Special Report Bret Baier host.


  • Bill Hedges

    I have read CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER (other writings as well) as well as your source. I know Nancy is having a hard time getting the few votes necessary for ‘deem.’ To think the outcry from citizens if passed could led to overturning after election I feel is very possible. With my eyes wide open.

    From my above link which was connected to your source:

    “They are banking on the assurance that Republicans merely want to win elections and have no intention of rolling back Obamacare?,”

    ….“Health care is a loser for the Left only if the Right has the steel to undo it. The Left is banking on an absence of steel. Why is that a bad bet?”

    I think that makes my case, from your source, that overturning is possible. Newt mentions reform which is not obamacare.

    You left out source which really discredited your stance.

    Plus you thrown in:


    Don’t you know that makes me dig for evidence ??? Then you add personal insults ????

    What have I done wrong to you ? Did you have a bad day ?

  • D.D.Mao

    Bill……….In order for speaker Pelosi to pass the health care bill BY DEEM SHE DOESN’T NEED VOTES. DEEM means I say so and it’s passed……thats the kicker!She can’t get the votes needed so she takes this route and her people don’t have to put their necks on the line and state publicly how they will vote and have it held against them in November.

    Obviously we disagree about our views on the Republicans REPEALING THE HEALTH CARE BILL.Why am I so pessimistic? Because if you look at your post of 18th March @ 12:31AM you quote Andy McCarthy and in the paragraph that starts “Even if the GOP gets a majority…..Mr. McCarthy states the REPUBLICANS DON’T HAVE THE STEEL TO REPEAL IT in his view and which I agree.I don’t see any other way of interperting it.President Obama is basing his whole presidency on this and isn’t about to sign a bill to repeal it after fighting for so long.This means you not only have to keep the majority in Congress after November but until after he leaves in 2012.

    Bill I didn’t lose my temper or curse at you.If someone telling you that you have “wide eyed innocence” or “your eyes are closed” offends you perhaps you are to sensitive.

  • Bill Hedges

    I think I proved my case with you evidence. Is not my fault these guys are ambiguous. I personal under normal circumstance would not read them.

    You are not facing their words:

    “They are banking on the assurance that Republicans merely want to win elections and have no intention of rolling back Obamacare?,”

    “Health care is a loser for the Left only if the Right has the steel to undo it.”

    Simple example:

    I can take a line from Rush and misinterpret him. Famous example is wanting obama to fail. His critics quoted that one line to misquote his meaning and dog him. You wish to use one line to make your point and ignore contrary evidence in your source.

    I have known you as person who writes logical comments. I am complex by this latest occurrence. You broil your position down to one sentence and ignore rest. Does not seem reasonable.

    As I stated in another article I joined another site and watched obama being interviewed by Fox. I am very aware of how deem works. A State has already passed that if health care is passed Attorney General will sue to keep it out of that State. 37 States are leaning towards same thing. That is STEEL. There is Constitutional issue of Congress voting on bill. Of President signing bill before passed. Issue if ‘deem’ can be used:




    Constitutional source just picked to make a point.

    Steel is shown by States, low polls, and united front of Republicans in Congress.

    As in Newt’s revolution the Senate joined Newt.

    Republican are not going to get rid of this bill, if passed, and leave void. As Newt’s new list shows health care reform will be done.

    obama said the following on Fox yesterday.

    “If people vote yes, whatever form that takes, that is going to be a vote for health-care reform,”

    “And I don’t think we should pretend otherwise.”

    That is what I was thinking of.

    Newt had to nearly stop government by lack of sending a balanced budget that Clinton would sign. Clinton finally signed. A President under citizen pressure and government closing down can sign something he hates.

    Clinton took balanced budget as his own afterwards even though he never had balanced budget before Newt.

    I never said you cursed me. Insult yes. I took it from JD and Kendale and returned fire. I even caught JD in plagiarism. That is not sensitive.

    As far as I am concerned this matter is over, unless you wish to continue on this article. I have no hard feelings just confused.

    I have been accused by 3 of causing loss of contributors to site. Not wishing to harm site I don’t write a lot here anymore. This has lead me to break my resolve.

  • D.D.Mao

    Bill……I have neither misquoted,spun or misinterpreted either Andy McCarthy nor Dr. Krauthammer and I base my agreeing with them on the whole cloth of the article not just one sentence.You can believe in the COAT TAIL REPUBLICANS and their “HOAX OF A CHANGE”if you wish but when they get back in power you will find more PATRONAGE THAN PATRIOTISM.
    It is just as well you consider the matter over because I am not JD nor Kendale and I refuse to get in a pissing contest like they did with you disecting each sentence for weeks on end into grandiose meaninglessness.
    May I end our corresponding by saying that it is mighty big of you not to hold any hard feelings….LOL especially since I didn’t do anything to insult you. BUT you did get one thing right……YOU ARE CONFUSED! A CONFUSION THAT DRIVES PEOPLE TO DELIRIUM AND I REFUSE TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY LONGER.

  • Bill Hedges


    1. “can understand your delusional thinking”

    2. “It is this wide eyed innocence of the Republican party you exibit that I refer to your delusional ideas.”

    3. “If this isn’t wide eyed innocence then it must mean your eyes are closed “

    4. “I didn’t lose my temper or curse at you.If someone telling you that you have “wide eyed innocence” or “your eyes are closed” offends you perhaps you are to sensitive”

    5. “I am not JD nor Kendale and I refuse to get in a pissing contest”

    6. “DELIRIUM”



    Look to beginning and see who started.. Who did the pissing ?