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Polling can be a dicey business. Depends on how you ask the question, what the question does or does not include the balance and nature of the sample and how results are weighted, if they are. We tend to get our polling news as snapshots and not always in larger context. So let’s have a look at larger context.
• Since January, those who express any measure of approval for the President has dropped by 20 points. November approval ratings dropped 10% compared to the October ratings.
• Cap & Trade based in large measure on global warming; oops climate change concerns faces a 59% polling result where individuals said they believed that climate scientists might have fudged data.
• The reappointment of Ben Bernanke is opposed by 79% of those polled.
• Health Care related tort reform, absent from the current bill, is favored by 66% of those polled.
• 62% of Americans oppose any form of single payer Government sponsored health care system.
• 71% of those polled represented some level of anger with the Federal Government.
• The Small Business confidence index dropped 16% just last month.
• 62% of Americans see tax cuts as a fundamental solution to job creation. This in light of the wide variety of taxes being considered on Capital Hill and the refusal to extend the Bush tax cuts.
• Consumer confidence is actually lower than a year ago as Lehman Brothers crashed, the bail outs emerged. The consumer confidence numbers are 11% lower now than a year ago and investor confidence is down 12% for a year ago.
• Good or excellent ratings for Congress stand at 14%.
• The Right Track / Wrong Track stands at 30% who feel we are on the right track. • Currently, 51% oppose the idea of trying KSM and the boys being tried in New York.
• Republicans lead by 7 points on the generic ballot. In the generic top 10 issue polling Republicans lead Democrats in 8 of 10 categories with one tie.
• Self identification as a Democrat has dropped to a four year low.
Draw your own conclusions.
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What polls are you pulling these numbers from?
A thief who steals the words of another questions others. Guts JD.
I trust Landreaux , I know you to be a thief.
lol. ok, bill. Ramble on.
The question still remains Landreaux… i am curious what polls these stats are coming from.
You stealing was proved. You have no honor. I wonder how many times you stoled and passed words off as yours. People hardly ever get caught the first time. You steal something of little importance. Except to try to look smart.
If calling you on stealing another person’s words is to ramble, I ranble. Proud to be honest.
If you were worth anything, you would say you were sorry.
Landreaux
If Congress does not pass largest tax increase, cap and trade, appears EPA will enforce co2 thanks to information based on faulty science. Cost would be humongous to individuals and business. So called made up jobs and improvable jobs created by obama will be gone, as well as real jobs.
Would easily cause talked about double dip recession and really be as bad as great depressions if they dared go as far as they could.
The numbers you gave would be looked upon as good old days for Democrats. Term liberal would be removed from all buildings. Never to be spoken out loud again. As practiced in old Nile for outcast Kings.
‘Days of wine & roses’ may be short lived for our liberal king. Michael Moore and Bill Ayers have frowned upon him.
Quickness to depart Afgan report says may take 3-5 years to complete stages T.L.S.P.. Should make honest jd happy. It will begin on date though jd. His word given. Feel something stick you in the behind. Was transparent obama…
Oh, thanks for waiting 6 months obama, they say we are losing in Afgan. They warned you man.
Uhh, maybe you will give up now… Wait, you said Afgan was it. Humm
December 07, 2009
“GOP erupts over Reid slavery, segregation remarks”
Harry Reid needs to go home and sit in his rocking chair till the end of his days. Poor guy…Why wait until after he is voted out of office. He might of been able to stay in office, but he got power. People now see him as crack pot that he is…
http://www.politico.com/b.....rters.html
Sad thing about Reid, he got his facts wrong…
Reid on target. Reid full of crap.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/.....frage.html
Rasumussen was the source for the poll data as well as some business specific polls linked to their site.
Rasumussen is my favored poll site…
Some of those polls you mentioned I’ve only seen there.
“Obama health ‘czar’ worked at legally troubled health firms”
Chuck Neubauer
“Nancy-Ann DeParle, one of President Obama’s chief advocates for the health care reform bill wending its way through Congress, earned more than $6.6 million as a paid director for health care firms, some of which were targeted in government investigations or whistleblower lawsuits on suspicions of billing fraud and other legal problems.”
“Five of the companies faced allegations ranging from overcharging Medicare to failing to warn patients of the dangers of their products, according to a study by the Investigative Reporting Workshop at American University and a review by The Washington Times of U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) records and Mrs. DeParle’s financial disclosure statement.”
“Mrs. DeParle, a former top administrator for the agency that runs Medicare and Medicaid, has resigned from her corporate directorships and said she will remove herself from any matters directly involving the companies. According to a handwritten note attached to her financial-disclosure form by an ethics official in June, she also has divested “all conflicting assets.”
http://washingtontimes.co.....bl//print/
What a GREAT HEALTH CZAR FOR prez…
If your not controversial don’t come running to Obama for a job. Well yah do. He’ll hire you.
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Obama has lowest rating for president since 1938 according to Gallup. Who would of thunk !!! Congraduation… You earned it.
“Gallup Poll: Obama’s Approval Rating Lowest Of Any President After 1 Year”
December 8, 2009, 3:45PM
“In the history of the Gallup Poll, which began in 1938, this is the lowest approval rating for any president after only 1 year in office. Here is the list of presidential approval ratings after 1 year in office:”
– “Barack Obama, 47 percent
– George W. Bush, 86 percent
– Bill Clinton, 52 percent
– George H.W. Bush, 71 percent
– Ronald Reagan, 49 percent
– Jimmy Carter, 57 percent
– Gerald Ford, 52 percent
– Richard Nixon, 59 percent
– Lyndon Johnson, 74 percent
– John Kennedy, 77 percent
– Dwight Eisenhower, 69 percent
– Harry Truman, 49 percent”
“Things are not looking promising for the Democrats. Their strategy of shutting out the Republicans in the health care debate backfired swiftly yesterday when the so-called Senate Majority Leader, Harry (I’m about to lose my re-election bid) Reid suggested that the Republicans opposing this bill are probably the same type of people who would have fought against the abolition of slavery. Apparently Mr. Reid has never heard the term, “Party of Lincoln.” If the Republican tactics continue to irritate the uncompromising Democrats, I’m sure we’ll hear a Nazi reference before too long.”
“Of course, it would help if the proposed legislation wasn’t comprised of over 2,000 pages; much of it merely ink that nobody in the Senate Chamber has laid eyes on.”
http://tpmcafe.talkingpoi.....ef=reccafe
Gee Bush is neary twice higher than ‘liberal’s angel’.
To be far, ‘liberal’s angel’ has better than a month to drop more so Bush is truely twice higher…
Tuesday, December 08, 2009
“Obama’s “Non-Religious” White House Christmas and No Christmas Gifts for his Kids”
“He is off the wall. Mad with power. Even if you think this, if you are President of the United States, you don’t say it. Read this story and then consider the gala event he held at the White House for Ramadan; I covered it here. And remember Obama’s cancellation of the national day of prayer.”
“Obama Plan ‘Non-Religious Christmas’ at WH FOX
President Obama and the First Family were planning a “non-religious ?
Christmas,” according to Social Secretary Desiree Rogers. Ms. Rogers reportedly told a gathering of former social secretaries that the Obamas did not intend on putting the Nativity scene on display – a longtime East Room tradition.”
The account was reported in the Fashion and Style section of The New York Times. The White House confirmed to the Times that there had been internal discussions about making Christmas more inclusive – but in the end – tradition won out – and the Nativity scene is once again in its traditional East Room spot.”
“Did you know that Obama does not celebrate Christmas? Obama Leaves the Gifting to Santa”
“Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) tells People magazine in the issue out Friday that he and his wife, Michelle, do not give Christmas or birthday presents to their two young daughters.”
“Obama tells the magazine’s Sandra Sobieraj Westfall in a seven-page cover story that he and his wife follow the unusual practice because they “want to teach some limits.”
“In the interview earlier this summer, Obama noted that they do spend “hundreds” of dollars on birthday slumber parties.”
“Michelle Obama told People: “Malia says, ‘I know there is a Santa because there’s no way you’d buy me all that stuff.’ ”
“UPDATE: Jesus nearly banned at the White House Inn”
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“UPDATE: More on the “holiday tree”:”
“Reflect, Rejoice, Renew” is the theme for the Obama family’s first Christmas in the White House. Previewing the holiday decorations Wednesday, first lady Michelle Obama said the theme was chosen because her family spends the holidays reflecting on its blessings, rejoicing in the company of friends and family, and renewing their commitments to each other and causes they believe in.”
http://atlasshrugs2000.ty.....stmas.html
“Poll: 26% think Obama deserves Nobel”
December 08, 2009
“Good news/bad news Q Poll on war and peace for Barack Obama.
Approval for the Afghanistan escalation is up by nine points in the past month — voters now think the war is a good idea by a 57-to-35 percent margin.”
“A healthy 60 percent favor his new troop surge, according to the Quinnipiac survey, which has a two percent margin of error.”
“But only 26 percent think the president, who has been in office for less than a year, deserves to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.”
http://www.politico.com/b.....Nobel.html
I agree with majority view on both issues. Surge should have been approved long ago.
Hang your head when getting award. Give the money to help the unemployed (oh yeah, in America).
“Tea Party Tops GOP on Three-Way Generic Ballot”
Monday, December 07, 2009
“Running under the Tea Party brand may be better in congressional races than being a Republican.”
“In a three-way Generic Ballot test, the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds Democrats attracting 36% of the vote. The Tea Party candidate picks up 23%, and Republicans finish third at 18%. Another 22% are undecided.”
“Among voters not affiliated with either major party, the Tea Party comes out on top. Thirty-three percent (33%) prefer the Tea Party candidate, and 30% are undecided. Twenty-five percent (25%) would vote for a Democrat, and just 12% prefer the GOP.
Among Republican voters, 39% say they’d vote for the GOP candidate, but 33% favor the Tea Party option.”
“For this survey, the respondents were asked to assume that the Tea Party movement organized as a new political party. In practical terms, it is unlikely that a true third-party option would perform as well as the polling data indicates. The rules of the election process—written by Republicans and Democrats–provide substantial advantages for the two established major parties. The more conventional route in the United States is for a potential third-party force to overtake one of the existing parties.”
“The standard Generic Congressional Ballot shows Republicans holding a modest lead over Democrats. It appears that the policies of the Obama administration and the Democratic Congress are currently enough to unite both those who prefer Republicans and those who prefer the Tea Party route.”
“Republican voters are paying a lot more attention to the Tea Party movement than anyone else. Forty-three percent (43%) of GOP voters are following news about the movement Very Closely. Another 30% are following it Somewhat Closely. Just 12% of Democrats are following stories about the Tea Party movement Very Closely.”
“Seventy percent (70%) of Republican voters have a favorable opinion of the Tea Party movement while only seven percent (7%) offer an unfavorable view. Interestingly, 49% of Democrats have no opinion one way or the other.”
“Among unaffiliated voters, 43% have a favorable opinion of the Tea Party efforts while 20% say the opposite.”
“Forty-one percent (41%) of all voters nationwide say Republicans and Democrats are so much alike that a new party is needed to represent the American people. Republicans are evenly divided on this question, while Democrats overwhelmingly disagree. However, among those not affiliated with either major party, 60% agree that a new party is needed, and only 25% disagree. Men are far more likely than women to believe a new party is needed.”
“As for the voting preference, the Tea Party bests the GOP among both men and women and in all age groups except those over 65.”
“The Tea Party candidates are the first choice among political conservatives. Among moderates, the Tea Party candidates are more popular than Republicans. However, nearly half of all moderate voters prefer a Democrat.”
“Among the Political Class, not a single respondent picked the Tea Party candidate.
However, among those with populist or Mainstream views, 31% prefer the Tea Party, and 26% are undecided. Twenty-three percent (23%) pick a Republican candidate, and 19% are for the Democrat (See more on the Political Class-Mainstream divide).”
http://www.rasmussenrepor.....ric_ballot
I seem to recall main stream medial calling Tea parties nuts and worse. Inflamed Fox irritators, etc..
What I have seen 1,000,000, so far, book author Sarah Palin is un-announced Tea party favorite. My hope is she can restructure Republican party bringing in Tea party. Creating 2nd Newt revolution. With proclamation of war on obama’s agenda. Reversing obama’s passed laws.
I think Sarah could pull it off. Many would join her. And wouldn’t Sarah and Newt make a great team for Presidency. Who to be head, I don’t know. Can we have co-President ??? Or take turns ? One year Sarah, next year Newt ??? Guess not. I like them both…
England considering big tax increase on banks when giving bonuses to employees. Tax there would be paid by the banks. CNBC is wondering if this will cross the seas.
‘Liberal’s angel’ never meet a tax he didn’t like.
‘Liberal’s angel’ short speech today was a lot of kiss Republican behind. T.a.r.p. money and jobs plans was alluded to.
Reid’s top secret health care negotiations changes was safe from public’s probing eyes.
The big rush for passage on CNBC power lunch market says is rushed before clamor of citizenry reaches Congress members ears during Christmas break. Killing the opportunity of passage next year. In their words not mine. Although I agree.
Seem like a abomination to pass now because next year Congress would dare not pass then. That is not logical or sane. Especial considering only collection of taxes with no benefits for years.
Hatred building is bad Congress. Your approval rating can not go lower without death in the streets as seen in Iran riots.
Liberalism defies logic.
“53% Say EPA Should Not Regulate Greenhouse Gases Without Congress’ OK”
Wednesday, December 09, 2009
“The Environmental Protection Agency on Monday declared carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions a danger to public health and said it will regulate them accordingly.”
Here is ’liberal’s angel’ answer to jobs. Ship them overseas.
Will we be giving a $Trillion of China’s borrowed money to U.N. for global warming/change/make believe. Raise our energy cost to ruin our economy ?
Sure why not !!! We can go back to living in caves… I’ve got my weapons….
http://www.rasmussenrepor.....ongress_ok
Al Gore going around dismissing leaked emails. He said latest email he saw was 10 years old.
Poor Al needs glasses or pay closer attention. Newest one was one month old. I suppose Al thunk if old email then o.k. to doctor reports. As he doctored his ocar winning film. In England his film must have disclaimer as requied by courts before shown in schools.
Tuesday, December 8, 2009
“Mark Penn got $6 million from stimulus payoff as Hillary Clinton’s Pollster.”
“Unfreakin believable and should be investigated. If this isn’t a political payoff,i don’t know what is. What is the government’s interest in paying off a pollster? $6 million to save two jobs.”
“Yes, it’s true, nearly $6 million in stimulus money was paid to two firms run by Mark Penn, who was Hillary Rodham Clinton’s pollster in the 2008 presidential election. Federal records show that $5.97 million from the $787 billion stimulus helped preserve three jobs at Burson-Marsteller, the global public-relations and communications firm headed by Penn.”
http://thrumyeyes113.blog.....mulus.html
CAN ANYONE RELATE THE TWO LINKS TO EACHOTHER. ??? IS GOOD TO BE FRIENDS WITH OBAMA… This is good for jobs ??? Look below and guess who is #1 guess at White House ???
“How Andy Stern Got Around Obama’s “No Lobbyist” Policy; He Just Didn’t Register”
by Brian Johnson
“President Obama has always made a pretty big deal about not working with “lobbyists”. Registered lobbyists can’t get stimulus money, can’t be White House advisors and are not allowed access to meetings and summits. So how does one get around that? It’s simple; you just don’t register as a lobbyist. That’s what Andy Stern did and it may come back to bite him.”
“Grover Norquist, President of Americans for Tax Reform (ATR) and me, as Executive Director of the Alliance for Worker Freedom (AWF) formally requested an investigation by the acting United States Attorney Channing D. Phillips, Esq., into the potentially illegal lobbying activities of the Service Employee International Union (SEIU) President Andy Stern.”
“In a letter hand delivered today to Mr. Phillips, Senate Secretary Erickson and House Clerk Miller, we wrote:”
“By this letter, we urge you to investigate the activities of Mr. Andy Stern, President of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), regarding meetings and other lobbying contacts with administration, White House and Congress during 2009. Specifically, it is important to determine whether those and related activities could constitute unregistered “lobbying” by Mr. Stern in violation of the Lobbying Disclosure Act (LDA), 2 U.S.C. 1601, et seq. In fact, Mr. Stern was a registered lobbyist for SEIU until January of 2007 when he terminated his registration. For the reasons discussed below it appears that Mr. Stern continued to lobby extensively after he terminated his registered status, and in 2009 devoted so much time on lobbying and related activities that he should have re-registered as a lobbyist under LDA.”
http://biggovernment.com/.....-register/
“Solis Pushes Agenda to Bolster Labor”
By MELANIE TROTTMAN and KRIS MAHER
DECEMBER 8, 2009
“Labor Secretary Hilda Solis said her agency will seek to enact an array of 90 rules and regulations next year aimed at giving more power to workers and unions.”
“Signaling priorities, Ms. Solis said: “We are committed to ensuring that workers are paid a fair wage, have a voice in the workplace, are provided a safe workplace and have a secure retirement.”
“Ms. Solis’s agenda will promote rules requiring employers to increase disclosure to workers on how their pay is computed, strengthening affirmative action requirements for federal contractors, and compelling greater disclosure from employers about their dealings with consultants who advise the companies on how to deal with workplace unions or unionization attempts.”
http://online.wsj.com/art.....80209.html
“Sarah Palin to Al Gore: Climategate Scandal Is Like Gravity – You Can’t Deny It”
Wednesday, 09 December 2009 10:22 |
By Fay – “Sarah’s Web Brigade”
“In her latest Facebook post, Governor Palin responds to Al Gore:”
“Steven Hayward has a great article in The Weekly Standard on the Climategate scandal. Be sure to check it out.”
“The response to my op-ed by global warming alarmists has been interesting. Former Vice President Al Gore has called me a “denier” and informs us that climate change is “a principle in physics. It’s like gravity. It exists.”
“Perhaps he’s right. Climate change is like gravity – a naturally occurring phenomenon that existed long before, and will exist long after, any governmental attempts to affect it.”
“However, he’s wrong in calling me a “denier.” As I noted in my op-ed above and in my original Facebook post on Climategate, I have never denied the existence of climate change. I just don’t think we can primarily blame man’s activities for the earth’s cyclical weather changes.”
“Former Vice President Gore also claimed today that the scientific community has worked on this issue for 20 years, and therefore it is settled science. Well, the Climategate scandal involves the leading experts in this field, and if Climategate is proof of the larger method used over the past 20 years, then Vice President Gore seriously needs to consider that their findings are flawed, falsified, or inconclusive.”
“Vice President Gore, the Climategate scandal exists. You might even say that it’s sort of like gravity: you simply can’t deny it.”
- Sarah Palin
http://www.sarahnet.net/r.....ny-it.html
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Obama losing his star in Hollywood
“Angelina Jolie Calls For Action From Obama On Sudan”
Access Hollywood – 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
http://omg.yahoo.com/news.....n/32522?nc
I wonder if anyone comes to this site and get annoyes with Bill’s spam??
JD_ Non-repentant plagiarist
Just you. At least I write my own comments…
JD, I do. I try to stop by and read the articles, but Bill’s multiple comments on every article and bashing anyone who disagrees makes it too much trouble to participate anymore. It’s a shame, I think I’m not alone in that. There used to be quite a lot of interesting people here interacting, and they’re gone.
I’m still watching you, though, and waiting for you to admit obama’s not all that after all. *wink*
Babs
I suppose I could go through the archives and perhaps show number of people on this site is at maximum during Presidential campaign. During off season numbers drop off to a precious view. As it is now.
I might even say Nate owns this site not you. He would tell me if he wished me to stop making so many comments. Which he hasn’t. I recall his wife encouraged me to disagree when I felt the desire. I remember disputing you with evidence right before you disappeared.
How ironic on article where JD gets caught committing plagiarism (guess not worth noting) you jump me. You say you don’t write because of all my comments (interesting logic). Agreeing with JD.
But hey, I’ll write one or less comments per article. Even though Nate never gave me the impression he was unhappy with my comments. To the contrary.
So don’t use me as your excuse for future failure to write here.
So revel in my lack of multiple comments. I hope your correct and folks start commenting here in larger numbers in off campaign season.
I am sure you will stay on topic of article. Not bringing up off topic current events as I have been doing. Seems I recall you thought that was as it should be.
I’ll hold to this self-imposed policy thru end of January. If new or old faces surface then will continue one or less.
lol. one day maybe. I did stop chanting his name while i sleep. That is progress right?
There is no doubt that I don’t agree with everything he does but that was likely no matter the president.
You have been missed Babs…
What I can’t believe it! Someone pinch me.
Thanks, JD, for saying so. I moved to the Health Care field about 8 months ago. You would get a kick – I work for a non profit Healthcare organization that practices what amounts to socialized medicine for many, and deal with insurances – yes, the dreaded medicare & medicaid not to mention those horrible private insurance companies who actually pay their bills unlike our government entitlement programs. Boy, could I teach you a thing or two about healthcare reform these days. Trust me, don’t support this crazy thing happening in the congress and senate. I live it every day, it won’t work. It doesn’t work now.
Glad to hear the honeymoon is over with obama. =)
lol. The honeymoon isn’t over. It is a marriage and we all know marriages have thier ups and downs.
As for the healthcare conversation… you and I are on different pages. Interestingly enough, the majority of all US debt has come from War.
Never the less, I stand on the idea that Healthcare must be fixed but I understand the differences in opinion on how to fix it. I know people in the healthcare field who are in favor of a government option and, being from Texas, I know plenty who are against it.
Personally, I don’t care as long as the reform lowers costs and puts healthcare back in the hands of citizens and not in that of the employers. If a business would like to cover my healthcare then they should be giving me a monthly stipend to cover it… just like they do for company cars and let me be in charge of my insurance. I think it is unbelievable for an insurance agency who was collecting “X” amount from a person to raise their rates just because he or she gets laid off. Not to mention employer based insurance give insurance companies a way to hide premiums. How many people know how much their work insurance really costs?
All this said, doing nothing is not an option. At the very least, Democrats have at least taken up the cause of addressing the issue and have not ignored it. I also don’t like that Republican use Medicare and Medicaid as a rallying cry when they at the core stand against the programs to begin with.
I have said it before but I believe, if they do a government option, that it should be voluntary and if you do not want to contribute then you don’t have to but this will rule you out from getting back on board just because you find yourself in the emergency room. I say let republicans put their money where their mouth is. I say do this for Medicare and Medicaid too… If you are 20 and believe it is a horrible program than opt out for life. I doubt you will find many people doing this, ironically.
JD,
I can tell by your post you really don’t know much about the current healthcare situation with commerical insurance or medicaid and medicare. But congratulations on your party’s vote on Christmas Eve. Many made out like the bandits they are – here’s hoping a merging of the House and Senate bills is an impossibility. Otherwise, you’ll see Health facilities closing across the country because they won’t be able to pay the light bill. If you think these Dr.’s are actually even covering their expenses with Medicaid and Medicare patients, you’re nuts.
Babs
I find your comment shows you as a hypocrite and is as well ironic. Here is my reasoning for saying that.
First your comment about me:
“I try to stop by and read the articles, but Bill’s multiple comments on every article and bashing anyone who disagrees makes it too much trouble to participate anymore.”
Then you say now to jd:
“I can tell by your post you really don’t know much about the current healthcare situation with commerical insurance or medicaid and medicare. But congratulations on your party’s vote on Christmas Eve. Many made out like the bandits they are – here’s hoping a merging of the House and Senate bills is an impossibility. Otherwise, you’ll see Health facilities closing across the country because they won’t be able to pay the light bill. If you think these Dr.’s are actually even covering their expenses with Medicaid and Medicare patients, you’re nuts”
My my. Breaking that down to my points.
Your pointing out JD’s lack of knowledge as I do. But is ok when you do it. “You’re nuts.”
Since I am the leader by far of using links (by comment or any other way ) I would use this link as proof if I was you instead of insulting.
“Out-of-balance billing”
“Insurers say relatively low Medicare and Medicaid pay for physicians and hospitals shifts costs to private insurance. If this shift had been eliminated, by boosting public program pay and lowering commercial insurer pay to the same levels, without changing the overall amount spent on hospital and physician fees in 2006 and 2007, the yearly tab for private payers would have been nearly $90 billion less.”
“Here’s how that hypothetical situation would have broken down, in billions:”
Medicare Medicaid Private insurance
Hospital $34.8 $16.2 -$51.0
Physician $14.1 $23.7 -$37.8
Total $48.9 $39.9 -$88.8
Source: “Hospital & Physician Cost Shift: Payment Level Comparison of Medicare, Medicaid and Commercial Payers,” Milliman report, December 2008
(www.ahip.org/content/default.aspx?docid=25216)
“Low Medicare, Medicaid pay rates impact private costs”
“Cost-shifting was the focus of an insurer-hospital survey.”
By Doug Trapp, Jan5,2009.?
Washington — “Consumers and employers could pay less for private health insurance premiums if public programs increased physician and hospital pay, according to a study sponsored by hospital and insurance associations.”
http://www.ama-assn.org/a.....sb0105.htm
Instead of insulting babs, you could have used evidence. Medicare and Medicad under pays and private plans must pay more than fair price to make up. I heard government plan pays like 70-80 %.
Your assumptions are correct. Your method was same as you accused me of (ironic).
This behavior has cancelled my self imposed restriction. I suggest any problems you have with me you discuss with Nate. He controls site, not you. His email is at top of site. I think you know it. From the private emails I’ve had with Nate he seems happy with me.
hyp·o·crite ?
Pronunciation: ?hi-p?-?krit
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
http://www.merriam-webste...../HYPOCRITE
Speak for yourself. Don’t put on airs that you speak for others. Trying to add importance to your words without proof..
“It’s a shame, I think I’m not alone in that. There used to be quite a lot of interesting people here interacting, and they’re gone.”
Yes during Presidential election there were many on site. Your implication that ‘I’ caused less participation on site in off season is your conjecture. I have gone thru the records, your premise doesn’t hold water.
I will continue to do what the site was designed for. I know of no rule limiting my comments to that of article. Only to political comments.
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Since you judged me:
“bashing anyone who disagrees ”
How about your:
“I can tell by your post you really don’t know much about the current healthcare situation with commerical insurance or medicaid and medicare” and “If you think these Dr.’s are actually even covering their expenses with Medicaid and Medicare patients, you’re nuts.”
Wasn’t “you really don’t know much ” and “you’re nuts” pulling a ‘Bill’(“bashing anyone who disagrees ”). According to you.
I could be worse, I could be a plagiarist. I could be a person who ignores the facts on health care and still holds to party lines.
Wow, that was a waste of time. But I suppose everyone enjoys life in their own special way and there are those who have such internal turmoil that they are compulsively compelled to do as such. There is medication for such instances as the latter. LoL
Here a bit of personal experience that speaks of the healthcare issue.
I’ve got infected folliculitis on my thigh. It’s a recurring thing since I took a position in a hospital that deals a lot of highly contagious and infectious organisms that forces it to isolate many of its patients though nearly every room in the hospital has two patient beds.
My normal treatment for this infection is to clean it then soak it with epsom salt and then place a sterile dressing on it with bacterban ointment. It’s never failed me yet until this week. The infection is spreading and has taken effect on my lymphatic system and now I have a systemic infection. This has happened once before when I had insurance. I then used the same treatment but added an oral antibiotic called Bactrim (blend of two drugs, sulfamethoxazole and trimethoprim). This helped quickly and I was cured, at least for the time being, as I’ve stated, this is a recuring event, likely do to the amount of hair I have on my body.
Well now I have no medical insurance. I attempted to go to a free clinic and they were closed, later I went there again and there it was nearing the weakend so i had to come back the following week. I went to the local health department and they stated my monthly income was to much for me to quilify to see a physician there about my leg, but since I had flu like symptoms I could see them for that and potentially get a prescription for tamiflu (which is a worthless, horrible drug, and is a waste of tax payer, and everyone elses money, being that it only lessens the amount of days you will have the flu from 7 days to generally 3-4 days, if taken within 24 hours of flu symptoms, what a joke)
So I saw the doctor and he denied writing me a prescription for oral antibiotics because I make to much money and told me not to worry about the flu and to go to the emergency room if I was concerned about my leg, which he didnt even bother to look at, because I make to much money, haha.
Nonetheless I figure going to the emergency department was a load of crap and a waste of money that I dont have, so other US citizens would have to cough up the money for with federal taxes.
I have had this condition for about 3-4 years now. I know how it is treated. I am also a registered nurse and so I am not going at this completely uneducated. It would have been only 30 seconds of that physicians time to write the prescription and yet NO, he says go to ER because I make too much money for him to see me about my leg, but seeing me about flu like symptoms is free for EVERYONE. So he saw me and STILL wouldn’t write the prescription. Then suggest I cost tax payers thousands of dollars to get the prescription.
Tell me that is not a crappy health care system.
P.S. I still have the flu as its only been about 5 days since symptoms arose, and I can not see anyone at the free clinic for another two days about my leg, which actually started making some improvement as of this afternoon, so I wont bother going to the clinic.
Sure we may not all agree on how we should make improvement to health care in the US, but we can’t deny something must be done. If a man has an infection on his leg and sees a physician who would only discuss flu symptoms (might I add, there were multiple physicians on site sitting around talking due to lack of patients to see) and not about a spreading infection on his legs with swollen lymph nodes in the patients groin, there is a PROBLEM with health care.
Kendall, no doubt there are major problems with healthcare. But the current Obamacare – whether you choose the bill the house voted in or the one the senate voted in – will not fix the problem you just described, doesn’t really even address it.
I’m curious, I don’t think I’ve ever run across a healthcare facility that doesn’t either provide its employees with coverage, or at the very least provide healthcare. Not saying its not true, just wondering where you work as an RN. Or have you gotten laid off?
Babs,
Contract and Per Diem positions do not receive benefits of any kind. At the moment I am contracted to the Florida Department of health in my county working with the H1N1 Campaign. In January I will working through a staffing agency and again I will not receive benefits but the pay will be as such that I can afford to see physicians who accept patients who do not have medical coverage, which is still slim to none around here. There are many RN’s in our country who do not have medical insurance, or who do not receive it from their employer and simply purchase it themselves.
I’ve stated before that I did not agree with the current house and senate health care bills, so there’s no need to make that argument with me. I’m just simply pointed out a problem in which I think is relevant. RN’s who can’t get help without going to an Emergency Room is not something to overlook. I’ve always complained that even before I was an RN I’ve always fallen into the category of “To poor to afford, to rich for help.”
P.S. I was layed off from a job which is how I lost my insurance, but I am currently working. It’s just not the best paying job for an RN and they give us absolutely no benefits whatsoever. At least my job coming up in January will pay a high wage, just no benefits. It’s hard to find good work as a “NEW” RN in Florida. Without 3+ years experience, work is nearly impossible to find and I only have 18 months experience. The only reason I had my first nursing job is because I was already employed at the hospital and so when I got my RN License I remained on the same hospital unit and began working as a RN instead of a nursing assistant.
I’m currently working with dozens of nurses who never even gotten that first RN position since graduating nursing school, some more than 1 year after graduation. That is very sad. They always say their is a nursing shortage but that is a falsehood, there are far to many nurses and far to many “NEW” nurses.
Kendale Sturdivent
Babs comes on site and blames me personal for world’s woes. Then turns around and does what she blamed me for.
You say “I suppose everyone enjoys life in their own special way” which seems interesting to me. I recall mentioning your name in comment ( guy from Japan ? ) to someone and you had a fit.
So like Babs, you are showing signs of being a hypocrite. Accusing me of something that you do as well.
As common for you, you either cuss, mention mental disorders, medications, or religious quotes, etc.. I think you know what I will bring up if you continue attacking me. Must I do that to discredit you ?
I am not a punching bag. Strike me I respond. Wish to discuss politics, great. A good rule of thumb is no personal attacks. It is very clear with Babs first comments in long time she started it. I am willing to drop it but not without throwing in my 2 cents. You have started it agan, not ME……… Remember that.
Your comment was simple off base and inappropriate. Common lines you use to defame me. No originality. No bases in fact. The fact you clean up the language was a plus in your favor.
To continue…
You said:
“It would have been only 30 seconds of that physicians time to write the prescription and yet NO, he says go to ER because I make too much money for him to see me about my leg, but seeing me about flu like symptoms is free for EVERYONE”
When I go to a clinic, I fill out paperwork first before I ever see the Doctor. I will assume you must have to. Common practice I believe. If free and you were not qualified I can see they would have advised you to go to ER by the attendant in office or see a regular Doctor.. Standard Operational Procedure. You may not want to go to ER because they would go after payment if you have financial ability to pay. Otherwise why not go. They must see you there. Free clinic doesn’t if not qualified.
Last I heard you said you worked for government. Earlier you said you made $60,000. I know you are a RN and thus knowledgeable on care. Maybe you situation changed. Anyhow, none of my business.
With the best of care complications occurred.
My first question is why did you not consult one of your Doctor friends you had at work ? Second you personal Doctor. Third in my town they have clinics which are level below emergency level. I’m not sure why I need to explain options to a RN. Aren’t there special RN’s in your area that can prescript medicine you need ?
You state “we can’t deny something must be done”. I don’t recall anybody disagreeing with that. Responsible ways of doing that has been discussed here over and over.
The irresponsible way it is handled in congress should be criminal. Buying votes, pork, waste, etc. Adding to the rolls of Medicad to bring bill below a $ trillion without full funding. Beginning taxes for health care immediately but beginning health care years later. There is air of deceit. Non-responsive to current need. You for example.
If this health care passed both Houses and signed tomorrow, at best how soon would it help you ? How many years ?
If however, when this began, they took baby steps you now could be in better situation. Lower health cost. Examples:
1. Ability to take your insurance with you if loss of employment. Not the expensive plan you must get now.
2. Allow open competition health plan even across State lines. Not so now. States even have restrictions that raise cost.
3. Tort reform. Minimum possibility here since lawyers are 2nd biggest contributors to Democrat party.
4. Etc..
As I understand it:
1. Dead beats don’t pay their health care. So we all pay for that. Raises cost.
2. Government medicare, medicad and children plans pay only a % of actual cost which raises cost for all who pay.
3. Then we have those with private plans who must subsidize the dead beats and those in government plans. Rises cost.
4. Free clinics are not totally free. What is. Example is one at my cities health department. Funded by tax dollars. If qualified.
5. Lastly there is person who pays but has no insurance. I understand he pays most of all because he is not benefiting from group rates. That person is subsidizing the under payers/non-payers as well. Some people try to avoid paying. That cost.
This continues and in my estimation only get worse under this plan. Since plan now being considered is soo hush-hush, riddled with how much pork for votes, and down right stupidity, I agree with previous head of Democrat party, start over.
All the polls I understand are against it. Obama is at lowest rating of all Presidents in first year of office. Bush was above him by far.
So yes we need change. Not another post office, medicare, medicad, and social security which are either $60 trillion in debt, near failure, or must be subsidize. That’s the problem with post office and social programs.
We need program like certain Texas countries that have private social security. Had ability to opt out of social security. They paid in same amount as government plan yet receive higher benefits. They are in the black. Not subsidized or in debt.
Yes free Enterprisefor for those lucky few Texas counties.
Contries around the World with Government health plans are deep in debt and restricting health care. Oregon has such a plan and gave woman euthanasia pills rather than expensive medicines. Same scenario for other State public plans.
Countries such as Canada are allowing Doctors to open up out-of government care clinic to resolve problems.
Yes our health care needs change. A good change. Less government rules and regulations that simple add cost to health care.
I agree with Babs’s reply to you.
One more thing.
“but seeing me about flu like symptoms is free for EVERYONE”. Looks like he saw you for what was required of him. You other health issue was not related to flu. Was reason for his answer.
A paid Doctor visit would, obviously you was getting a freebe unless Doctor likes to get sued.
I have seen people try to take advantage at free clincs.
This may take a while….
“When I go to a clinic, I fill out paperwork first before I ever see the Doctor. I will assume you must have to. Common practice I believe. If free and you were not qualified I can see they would have advised you to go to ER by the attendant in office or see a regular Doctor.. Standard Operational Procedure. You may not want to go to ER because they would go after payment if you have financial ability to pay. Otherwise why not go. They must see you there. Free clinic doesn’t if not qualified.”
No point, of course I filled out paperwork, so? A doctor saw me, yes. Actually non-profit hospitals can NOT go after people for payment, so that is NOT why I chose not to go, and why AGAIN you ASSUME things in ERROR. I’m not sure I should even continue this, because I am certain is is worthless Bill rambling things of which he does not know. O.K. The free clinic here will see ANYONE, the only qualifying factor is NOT having insurance and they will see ANYONE, I’ve used it many times.
“Last I heard you said you worked for government. Earlier you said you made $60,000. I know you are a RN and thus knowledgeable on care. Maybe you situation changed. Anyhow, none of my business.”
If you even read my comment that you are choosing to run off about then you will have read that YES my situation has changed.
“My first question is why did you not consult one of your Doctor friends you had at work ? Second you personal Doctor. Third in my town they have clinics which are level below emergency level. I’m not sure why I need to explain options to a RN. Aren’t there special RN’s in your area that can prescript medicine you need ?”
I’m glad Bill that you live in Fantasy Land. I don’t work in the same place which is why I did not ask someone there. I don’t have a personal doctor anymore, I don’t have insurance anymore. No we don’t have sub-emergency clinics, and no we don’t have special RN’s to write prescriptions (perhaps you are referring to an ARNP, which you have to go through the same things to see ARNP’s as you would to see a MD or DO) and no you attempting to explain my options to me is flipping worthless, because I know what my options are, DUH. But perhaps you are killing your idle time typing, which I am OK with, everyone needs something to do to burn off IDLE time. Oh back to why I didn’t go to the ER, as I stated then, it would cost tons of money which I wont be able to pay so people like YOU will pay for with tax dollars, which I think is just as wasteful as you think socialized medicine is, DUH.
“You state “we can’t deny something must be done”. I don’t recall anybody disagreeing with that. Responsible ways of doing that has been discussed here over and over.”
Uh, thats what I was telling Babs, I felt no need to go into detail there because like you said, responsible ways have been discussed here, so no need for me to cut and past again.
You next like 50 lines I wont paste, I dont disagree with them. Not sure why you’re running down reason to be against the house/senate bills, you’ve done it enough times that there is ZERO reason to continue, especially if you are attempting to make a point to me, I’ve heard it all before and I am not arguing on the opposite side, so why do it?
“One more thing.
“but seeing me about flu like symptoms is free for EVERYONE”. Looks like he saw you for what was required of him. You other health issue was not related to flu. Was reason for his answer.
A paid Doctor visit would, obviously you was getting a freebe unless Doctor likes to get sued.
I have seen people try to take advantage at free clincs. ”
Don’t pretend to know things that you don’t.
1. If folliculitis attacks you lymphatic system, the infection obviously has become systemic and may manifest with systemic signs and symptoms, much like flu-like symptoms and the swollen lymph nodes in my groin and neck. Flu like symptoms are general symptoms which can be manifest from any number of other infections, hence why junkies, when the are going through withdrawal have “flu like symptoms.”
2. You are saying if the physician at the DOH wrote me a prescription for Bactrim, he could be sued? Not likely, no more likely then a physician at my previous job bein sued for writing me the same prescription like you suggested above.
3. I understand why you wrote all of that, it’s what you do Bill. I like it more when you write about things that you have some sort of knowledge of, in this case, you didn’t, so it appeared to be wasteful typing.
My point was made however to your dislike. I was not looking for advice on my condition, which you gave, because I understand it well enough to get by on my own. Might I add, I am doing quite a bit better since my last post. No more fever, and my folliculitis has been drained and is scabbed over now. Another reason I will not be wasting tax dollars going to a not for profit emergency department. I have been there number times since birth and not once have they sought payment from me, so again, you were WRONG in your ASSUMPTION. Sorry.
Take Care…..
Oops there was something I forgot to address
“As common for you, you either cuss, mention mental disorders, medications, or religious quotes, etc.. I think you know what I will bring up if you continue attacking me. Must I do that to discredit you ?”
I do like to use profane language, not only is it fun, it puts an emphasis on what ever I am discussing. We the people of my kind (insert which ever label you would choose for me THIS time) do it all the time. Those of our kind may be physicians, lawyers, nurses, police officers, ect, we all do it, I’m sorry if it does not meet your standard, but humans do use profanity.
I am quite fond of throwing out psycho-social diagnoses as well, they’re fun to pick out, especially when they appear to fit so well, it’s like playing scrabble with symptoms to spell diagnoses. I do love to have fun, it not only keeps me sane, it keeps me from reverting to non-verbal tactics, it’s a way to manage frustrations if you will. And yes when appropriate, if therapeutic communications do not manage symptoms, a medication can be used as an adjunct to therapy, so I must throw in the generally prescribed medications in there with my diagnosis.
Oh, and religion, that is a beautiful one. If your faith is not in me, physicians, or medications, religion is quite a wonderful alternative. The bible has nearly every solution imaginable, it is a rather large book. Why I suspect you could find an answer to all of your questions in there Bill. That’s why I implement it in my life and those of my adversaries.
Was there something else that you wanted to mention? On, no teasing Billy, by all means lash out at me, it may be therapeutic for you. Don’t hold back for my sake, see I have my various coping mechanisms, I surely shalt not perish via your wrath. Why, I could pray to Jehovah, and all your meaningless dribble shall surely be vanquished.
Peace be unto you and your family Bill
Is not polite to ‘beat a man when he is down’. I’ll forgo my rebuttal.
I’m sure, because that is so like you to do so right? Kind of like you toss the plagiarist thing out there every chance you get. You’re smart and know when you are wrong yet your typical move would to pretend that you’re not. So I respect the fact that you have developed the ability to just “leave it alone” when you’re mistaken. Kudos.
Unfortunately for your buddy I proved Jd is a plagiarist. I have suspected it for some time. I gave him chance to say he was sorry. He choice not to. He shamed himself. I am allowed to repeat the truth. To bad it offends you.
Didn’t I point out your lack of using ” quotes” and not providing source ? Don’t recall calling you a plagiarist. I consider the source and let it slide.
As far as your daring me to dispute your remarks, I don’t take child like play ground dares. Nor ‘double dog dares’. A rational person can read my comments and yours and draw their own conclusions. It is quite apparent your motivation to me. I don’t feel like getting my shoes soiled today by following you there.
I’ve sent our comments to my brother. He will enjoy…
Kendale
I decided to discredit just__one__of your many wrong/misleading statements from above. With great acclaim you announced your right and I am wrong.
“You’re smart and know when you are wrong yet your typical move would to pretend that you’re not. So I respect the fact that you have developed the ability to just “leave it alone” when you’re mistaken. Kudos.”
I thought this particular example below was most pertinent. Especially since you are a RN and user of free clinic and knowledgeable on non-profit hospitals (unlike me, right Ken)
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Kindale said:
“Actually non-profit hospitals can NOT go after people for payment”
So I am incorrect, right Kendale ???
WRONG WRONG WRONG
“But in the past decade, some nonprofit hospitals have amassed big cash surpluses, even as they engaged in aggressive bill-collection tactics. Some provide less in charity care than the value of their tax breaks”
http://www.greenchange.or.....hp?id=4641
I could do more. Point out more of….
“.when you’re mistaken. Kudos.”
I think this one says it all.
I must attest, thou art a genius Bill. How many hours of research did you put into things surrounding my comment before you found that link, or did you brother help you with that? lol
Just took a moment. I will be glad to teach you. When I offered to teach you about ” ” you refused my help.
A very simple rule you should have learned in school is ‘never’, ‘all‘, ‘can NOT’ and such are hardly ever apply. In College when I can across one, I noted it for its importance. Haven’t I told you that before ?
How interested you suggest I may have contacted my brother for his assistance. I have no problem in doing so when needed. But when dealing with you I have no need. We have discussed you, but only from a clinical view point. I only have a comprehension major in psychology. He has a Master.
My advise to you is to concentrate on political issues, not the personal insults and demeaning. My forte is winning such exchanges.
A common theme of yours is:
“You’re smart and know when you are wrong yet your typical move would to pretend that you’re not.”
In reality it is not. Of course I make mistakes and will admit them. On the other hand, mostly I simple don’t argue with you each and every time. Test my patients and I will lower the boom. This case in point.
Now you say:
“I must attest, thou art a genius Bill”
I wouldn’t call myself a genius, I am in the upper level according to my Stanford-Binet Intelligence test.
Bringing you down does not take me up. Sometime you might study self-actualization. Not simple read the definition. You might say I have a flaw, a need to defend myself. Another view is reluctant entertainment for me. As you have said, you are here for entertainment.
As normal you try to put me down in last comment. You think I don’t know the truth ? Is quite clear. A healthy attitude is making a learning lesson of this. Stop defaming people.
”As you sow so shall you reap”
Proverb quote
I am not one to turn the other cheek every time…
Take your own advice. Pointing out a flaw is one thing, repeatedly bringing up such a flaw serves no purpose but to insult. It is far easier to correct someone other than yourself, it is much harder to correct yourself. Keep trying.
JD stealing words is not a flaw. Is not a insult. Is a fact.
You making up evidence to try and discredit my comment is stupid.
Your poor try is another stupid try. I said:
“You might say I have a flaw, a need to defend myself. Another view is reluctant entertainment for me”
you said:
“Pointing out a flaw is one thing, repeatedly bringing up such a flaw serves no purpose but to insult.”
I am not defending myself by continely mentioning jd stealing. I’m entertaining myself. You can relate to that. It’s fun
kendale said:
” am quite fond of throwing out psycho-social diagnoses as well, they’re fun to pick out, especially when they appear to fit so well, it’s like playing scrabble with symptoms to spell diagnoses. I do love to have fun, it not only keeps me sane, it keeps me from reverting to non-verbal tactics, it’s a way to manage frustrations if you will. And yes when appropriate, if therapeutic communications do not manage symptoms, a medication can be used as an adjunct to therapy, so I must throw in the generally prescribed medications in there with my diagnosis”
I learned it from you…
I don’t mind you insulting me so much after you said:
“I do love to have fun, it not only keeps me sane, it keeps me from reverting to non-verbal tactics, it’s a way to manage frustrations if you will.”
I don’t want you beating up another woman and going to jail. Again…
Who needs help.
At least make sense Kendale.
Truth is not insulting, no matter how often repeated. Jd could have stopped my repeating it very easily. He did not mention he stoled another person’s words, I discovered it..
Better yet, why don’t you take responsibility for not writting factual correct comments. Giving your opinion is fine, saying I am wrong and using made up evidence that is false is wrong. Then bragging you are right and I am wrong is stupid. You look the fool.
“Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness,”
“Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?”
Joseph Welch
You know Kendale, I warned you earlier. I really, really do advise you to get off the personal stuff.
You might not like it if you continue to have fun…
What can you possibly say or do that would cause me harm? You can’t not do anything to me. I can only do things to myself. It’s wonderful for you to feel as though you are in a position of power, that is all part of the diagnosis. I don’t mind feeding it, because the digestion is exquisite. Party On Bill.
http://www.collinscenter......oyrest.pdf
I don’t mind you insulting me so much after you said:
“I do love to have fun, it not only keeps me sane, it keeps me from reverting to non-verbal tactics, it’s a way to manage frustrations if you will.”
I don’t want you beating up another woman and going to jail. Again…
Kindale said:
“Actually non-profit hospitals can NOT go after people for payment”
So I am incorrect, right Kendale ???
WRONG WRONG WRONG
“But in the past decade, some nonprofit hospitals have amassed big cash surpluses, even as they engaged in aggressive bill-collection tactics. Some provide less in charity care than the value of their tax breaks”
http://www.greenchange.or.....hp?id=4641
Just make up your facts to win a argument. Hoping facts arn’t check
Rry to be sane
Does it make you feel like somebody to hit a woman ???
ken ssid “I can only do things to myself”
Don’t
I did not say I would cause you harm. Get it straight Doctor Kenny
I talk to my aunt. She owns a old folks home. She’ll hire you even with your criminal record. If her insurance company will allow it.
You don’t have anymore on your record than beating up that woman ? No family charges or drugs ?
I was never charged with harming anyone, ever, check the record, you have all the information to look me up. And you talking about it causes me no foul. I would not have brought my personal life up on this website in the past if I didn’t want anyone to know about it. So repeating it just makes it LOOK like you are attempting to strike something in me, but that fact that I brought it up first just proves your comments are simply blowing smoke, wasting time. lol
Perhaps people in your age and culture react to things differently than in mine. People like me talk about their personal life to the public as a means of dealing with it. Look at Eminem. That is my style. Some talk to psychologist/psychiatrists, I talk to the entire world, so keep the party going Bill.
Perhaps one day you will win a prize.
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Dios, por favor, ten piedad de Bill en su intento de desacreditar a mí. Él es ignorante y no entiende. Dios quiere ayudar al tanto de nosotros en estos tiempos problemáticos.
It wont work in arabic or hebrew, lol
Rush is in hospital in Hawaii for chest pain.. Go visit him obama.
“Obama stays low profile after terror attempt”
By CAROL E. LEE | 12/27/09 10:22 PM EST
Updated: 12/28/09 2:08 PM EST
“Americans haven’t seen President Barack Obama since a Nigerian man tried to blow up a Northwest Airlines plane in Detroit on Christmas Day. But they have gotten a glimpse of their new president’s style in the face of a crisis.”
“Obama, who is expected to publicly address the incident for the first time Monday, has kept mum over the past few days. That’s his approach in this type of situation, aides say — to seek a fact-based assessment. So for the first few days Obama left the public comments to senior members of his administration.”
“Throughout it all, Obama continued his holiday vacation in Hawaii with a round of golf Saturday and a trip to the beach Sunday.”
“Part of the reason for the president’s low profile: There appears to be a feeling in the administration that putting him out there to address this type of incident immediately would give it added merit. Elevating the status of a man who attempts, unsuccessfully, an act of terrorism in that way also could set off copycat schemes.”
http://www.politico.com/n.....30994.html
Yes, obama is up-to-the-minute on his vacation. Not drawing undue attention to incident ? Nooo. That would be a utter non-sense to believe.
Not that he has done much I agree with, but this should not be polticized.
911 scare is the ingrained in the fears of America. Add Iran riots, Iran attenpt to buy nuclear making ore, facts coming out on the would-be-killer terrorist and all the other things; A President appearing without tie on vacation is mind boggling. Say dumb at best. Arrogant for sure.
For a man who idealizes perception rather than deed, he dismisses his own politics on this one. He should have been in the White House looking Presidential, not like a over dressed beach bum. Whose playing golf, basketball, and spending time on beach with his family.
Let me explain something to you sir. Appearance counts. Not dress, but forgo your basketball, golf and fun on beach. Go to work.
Don’t blame Bush. Security is a on-going process. What have you done on your watch ? Besides complain Bush went to far or not far enough. Each new incident shows way to improve and need for it. This near disaster you can’t palm off my friend. It failed by accident, not by our security Thank the flyers as well.
Don’t freighten your CIA, FBI, and Army. Where they fear reprisal for doing their job. ‘Rules of Engagement’ is out of order. Might as well pull out our men. You have tied their hands.
The hopeful airplane killer terrorist said some but is said to be quiet not. Then we had another possible attack.
If one succeeds, you will have much to answer for. Your liberal view on ‘extremist’ as individuals with rights of American citizens, will further erode your popularity. As you agenda has… ………………..
Few can compare to this President. He faced the ultimate decision. He decided which was the less of two evils. Mass loss of American life by evaded Japan. Where they had attitude of death to the last man. Or dropping the atomic bomb.
Even after first drop, Japan’s military leaders did not surrender. The same leaders that had representatives in Washington speaking of peace. The same ones that bombed Pearl Harbor. So few of us remember the circumstances of the day. Hiding behind today’s pefect 20/20 hindsight.
Yes discussion is great today. But he had to decide. Comparing the cost.
“The Buck Stops Here”
A ‘Man’, from my home State…
“Harry Truman – A Different Kind of President”
“I received this e-mail about Harry Truman, and thought it was something worth sharing. It would be nice to have this kind of consciousness in the White House once again! Editor
Harry Truman, from Missouri , was a different kind of President. He probably made as many important decision regarding our nation’s history as any of the other 42 Presidents. However, a measure of his greatness may rest on what he did after he left the White House. “
“Historians have written the only asset he had when he died was the house he lived in, which was in Independence Missouri . On top of that, his wife inherited the house from her Mother.”
“When he retired from office in 1952, his income was a U.S. Army pension reported to have been $13,507.72 a year. Congress, noting that he was paying for his stamps and personally licking them, granted him an ‘allowance’ and, later, a retroactive pension of $25,000 per year.”
“After President Eisenhower was inaugurated, Harry and Bess drove home to Missouri by themselves. There were no Secret Service following them. “
“When offered corporate positions at large salaries, he declined, stating, ‘You don’t want me. You want the office of the President, and that doesn’t belong to me. It belongs to the American people and it’s not for sale.’ “
“Even later, on May 6, 1971, when Congress was preparing to award him the Medal of Honor on his 87th birthday, he refused to accept it, writing, ‘I don’t consider that I have done anything which should be the reason for any award, Congressional or otherwise.’ “
“He never owned his own home and as president he paid for all of his own travel expenses and food. “
“Modern politicians have found a new level of success in cashing in on the Presidency, resulting in untold wealth. Today, many in Congress also have found a way to become quite wealthy while enjoying the fruits of their offices. Political offices are now for sale.
Good old Harry Truman was correct when he observed, ‘My choices early in life were either to be a piano player in a whore house or a politician. And to tell the truth, there’s hardly any difference.’ “
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“Harry S. Truman: A Different Kind of President”
“President Harry S. Truman was a very different kind of politician. First, he could not be bought by special interests and thus spoke his mind pretty openly. He wasn’t called “Give ‘em hell Harry” for nothing. Second, he did what was necessary to bring an end to World War II and by his actions allowed history to judge him. I think, as awful was the atom bomb was and still is, he made the right choice given what the resistance of Japan still meant to the world, and to our troops, at the time. Third, he was a committed believer in the essential philosophy that stood behind the American experiment, namely democracy. Truman believed that freedom of the people, by the people and for the people was at the heart of who we were as a people. I find few who understand or believe this very deeply in our time.”
“President Truman once said:”
“Democracy is, first and foremost, a spiritual force; it is built upon a spiritual basis—and on a belief in God and an observance of moral principles. And in the long run only the Church can provide that basis. Our founders knew this truth—and we will neglect it at our peril“.
“By the way, this is one of my concerns with libertarianism. It wants to legalize most human actions, including ones that tear down the social fabric of a society, all in the name of personal freedom. (More to write on this later this week.”
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I could see obama adding a decade to WW 2. Waiting for his decisions. He would give up instead of invade or nuke Japan.
I beat he condemns Truman actions. And Truman’s lifestyle.
I pick Truman. A man of his word, beliefs, and virtues.