Recognizing Evil, Or Not!

The predictable divide between those that view what happened at Fort Hood as mass murder and those who quickly look for a point of justification is on display to all who care to pay attention.

 Evidence of Maj. Hasan’s Jihadist ties and beliefs grow, so, in turn, does the energy aimed at casting the argument in some context other than the perception of premeditated terrorism. 

 There are fundamental, irreconcilable and consistent differences in perception at play.  Those who see evil in the world and in this situation are opposed by those who cannot breach their belief that there is no true or pure evil. There is only understanding and justifications based on some manner of perceived, correctable injustice.

 This difference in perception creates a dangerous quandary.  If we cannot agree on the underlying facts how do we address the problem? 

 Was Maj. Hasan picked on as the motivation for his actions?  Much of the currently available information tends to indicate that outside the possibility of an incident or two he was treated as part of a protected class; protected by a culture of political correctness that remains ignorant to consequences.

 If the real problem, as General Casey opined, is the possibility of a backlash against Muslim soldiers than the prescription must be yet more political correctness, more sensitivity to Islam and more protection of Muslims in the military and by extension throughout the intelligence and bureaucratic communities.

 If, however, the problem is a Jihadist, Salafist mentality and a commitment to radical interpretations, the recognition of the problem becomes significant and demanding.  The most critical demand being that the problem is addressed absent artificial “correctness”.  The addressment must be based, not on what we would like to be the case, but on what is actually the case.  If mass murder in the interest of and motivated by radical perceptions and beliefs is excused we insure more of the same.  We insure and participate in a tacit agreement with the radical justifications for such a horror.

 The question to those who embrace the idea of victim based justification is simple; how many lives are you willing to sacrifice to the unreality of blanket victimology and political correctness?  At what level of body count do we accept, as fact, what Islamists have unapologetically told us they intend for us?  Are those selfsame Islamists who are clear in defining their intentions and tactics to continue their status as a protected class?     

 The issue is not a peaceful interpretation Islam, it never has been.  The issue is the radical interpretation of Islam.  The issue is that evidence of a pervasive presence in government institutions of those who embrace radical interpretations represents many points of jeopardy. Maj. Hasan is just one of them and not the first!

  • Joe

    This is true. One problem we don’t have is dealing respectfully all. The problem we do have is dealing truthfully with the few that would cause this terror and calling them for what they are. When we are afraid to speak truth, we are doomed.

  • Bill Hedges

    Justification for murder

    Imminent death.

    You break into my house and come after me. Bang your dead. I am serving in armed forces and face the enemy. Bang, dead. I am in Iraq where the foe are chicken…. and don’t wear uniforms. Garnish a weapon, bang, your dead.

    Tell me the justification of Maj. Hasan’s Jihadist, who in a American uniform, shoots unarmed solders and civilians. Can I in reverse shoot Muslins. I think not. My Bible says an eye for an eye ??? But hey, I’m sane.

    Go to mid-east and in many Countries there you can kill your wife. Women are nothing. Just stay hid a few days and your off the hook. Let’s make that law here. You steal, cut off that hand. Make that law here. If justification exist then lets have their laws. I’ve read the rules you must follow when working in Saudi Arabia. Nobody, especial liberals, would want those laws here. But we wish to justify using their standards to this murderer committed on our shores. Get a grip. OK, OK, I’ll capitulate a little. Hang him by his thumbs until dead only once. Sounds like a mideast style dealth he would want.

    Give me a freaking brake… Islam as defense, radical or not, has no position in murder here. He should have murdered where Isam is the law. I wonder if that would help him ??? I guess it would in some places, he killed Americans.

  • “Tell me the justification of Maj. Hasan’s Jihadist, who in a American uniform, shoots unarmed solders and civilians. Can I in reverse shoot Muslins. I think not. My Bible says an eye for an eye ??? But hey, I’m sane.” – You must be Jewish

    The new testament does not preach eye for an eye. It states if man slaps you upon the cheek you are not turn that cheek and allow him to slap the other.

    ” 38″You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'[g] 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.” Mathew 9:38-42

    I am all for biblical law in the United States. But unfortunately our religion does not dictate or legal system in the United States and thus this man is a loon! There is no justification for murder. I don’t condone it in war or anywhere. I’m my views there is never any situation in which killing is justified. No religious person can justify it unless their are old testament thumpers or something. Then again the 10 commandments came very early in the old testament

    It doesn’t say in the 10 commandments, thou shalt not kill unless the dood climbed in your window to steal you tv. Also the Qur’an does not abolish the ten commandments either. See what happens when humans take it upon themselves to create religious texts?

    Let that guy clean toilets in prison for the rest of his life. Killing him is not a punishment, it will make him feel good about himself, make him feel as though he is a religious martyr or something, make him clean bubbba’s toilet everyday and he is not likely to be happy about what he did.

  • Bill Hedges

    Kenny Kenny Kenny

    Read over and over again. Maybe then you will get it:

    “Can I in reverse shoot Muslins. I think not. My Bible says an eye for an eye ??? But hey, I’m sane.”

    First off I’m not Jewish. Second. I said “Can I in reverse shoot Muslins”. My answer “I think not”.

    Note title of my comment “Justification for murder”.
    If you can’t guess from my comment, I don’t believe in justification. My sarcasm was reference to old testament “eye for a eye”. I follow with “But hey, I’m sane.” making clear my sarcasm to most normal people. Since I made it clear “Imminent death” is only reason to kill.

    As far as your religious teaching go to site that cares. This is “YOU DECIDE POLITICS”. But hey, I’m not Nate. Do as you wish.

  • Bill Hedges

    And Kenny, try to get it right…

    “It doesn’t say in the 10 commandments, thou shalt not kill unless the dood climbed in your window to steal you tv”

    What I said:

    “You break into my house and come after me. Bang your dead.”

    “Me” not “tv” Kenny
    …..
    Repeating myself again:

    “Justification for murder”

    “Imminent death”

  • Bill Hedges

    In these bad economic times we might as well save our money and just release Gitmo prisoners in New York.

    5 of these mistreated souls are going to be tried in New York City civil court. Seem our captured solders in uniform had their heads found when non-uniform terrorist were through with them. Obama made this decision.

    I think there should be a study on how many of our returning solders are liberal!
    …..

    Major Nisan trial will be by military court. On off chance he is found guilty, death sentence is possible.

    Obama must sign death warrant, so expect Kenny to be right, life imprisonment. Could see obama pulling a Bill Clinton and pardoning Major Nisan on his last day in office.

    But Kenny is wrong when he said “Let that guy clean toilets in prison for the rest of his life.” That’s cruel and unusual punishment. Shame on you Kenny. Am sure there is a bibical quote against that. Know there is in prision system. I’ll prey for you…

  • Make a reference to religion in your comment and I will comment on your religious reference, this does not have to be a religious site for me to comment on your religious reference. I’m sure that you can grasp that, or maybe not.

    Me saying that you must be Jewish, that was me being sarcastic. of course I was not honestly assuming that you are Jewish.

    Then I gave reason why I believe it is not right to kill people. If you make a comment stating that you think it is justifiable to kill someone and I don’t believe there is any justification to kill of course I will comment on that. I’m sure you can understand that as you comment about anything that I say in a comment that you do not agree with don’t you?

    I was not trying to teach anyone about religion, I simply saw a religious reference “eye for an eye” and commented back with religious references. You don’t want me to talk religion, then don’t bring it up. 🙂

    Actually cleaning toilets is not cruel, someone has got to clean the toilets. People in lock up actually take pride in the cleanliness of their toilets, especially since they must share them. And no, there is nothing in the bible about cleaning toilets being cruel punishment. LoL

  • Bill Hedges

    Kenny wrote:

    “Make a reference to religion in your comment and I will comment on your religious reference, this does not have to be a religious site for me to comment on your religious reference. I’m sure that you can grasp that, or maybe not.”

    I answered you earlier:

    Bill Hedges Nov 11th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
    Kenny Kenny Kenny

    Read over and over again. Maybe then you will get it:

    “Can I in reverse shoot Muslins. I think not. My Bible says an eye for an eye ??? But hey, I’m sane.”

    First off I’m not Jewish. Second. I said “Can I in reverse shoot Muslins”. My answer “I think not”.

    Note title of my comment “Justification for murder”.
    If you can’t guess from my comment, I don’t believe in justification. My sarcasm was reference to old testament “eye for a eye”. I follow with “But hey, I’m sane.” making clear my sarcasm to most normal people. Since I made it clear “Imminent death” is only reason to kill.

    As far as your religious teaching go to site that cares. This is “YOU DECIDE POLITICS”. But hey, I’m not Nate. Do as you wish.
    …..

    Kenny said:

    “Me saying that you must be Jewish, that was me being sarcastic. of course I was not honestly assuming that you are Jewish.”

    I merely made it clear I was not
    …..

    You say in last comment:

    “Then I gave reason why I believe it is not right to kill people. If you make a comment stating that you think it is justifiable to kill someone and I don’t believe there is any justification to kill of course I will comment on that. I’m sure you can understand that as you comment about anything that I say in a comment that you do not agree with don’t you?”

    But that is not what you said earlier:

    Kenny said earlier:

    “It doesn’t say in the 10 commandments, thou shalt not kill unless the dood climbed in your window to steal you tv”

    Kenny, you lied about what I said. I said “You break into my house and come after me. Bang your dead.”

    Why did you say tv, I said me ? You lied !!!
    …..

    Kenny said:

    “I was not trying to teach anyone about religion, I simply saw a religious reference “eye for an eye” and commented back with religious references. You don’t want me to talk religion, then don’t bring it up”

    And you took ir wrong as I have expained earlier and you still bring it up. Not that you disprove my explaination, because you don’t.
    …..

    Kenny said:

    “Actually cleaning toilets is not cruel, someone has got to clean the toilets. People in lock up actually take pride in the cleanliness of their toilets, especially since they must share them. And no, there is nothing in the bible about cleaning toilets being cruel punishment. LoL ”

    Again as usually you pick and chice. Kenny wrote earlier:

    “Let that guy clean toilets in prison for the rest of his life. Killing him is not a punishment, it will make him feel good about himself, make him feel as though he is a religious martyr or something, make him clean bubbba’s toilet everyday and he is not likely to be happy about what he did.”

    So first Kenny you say above, but eariler you said:

    “People in lock up actually take pride in the cleanliness of their toilets, especially since they must share them.”

    Your first statement does not discuss sharing cleaning duties. But “make him clean bubbba’s toilet everyday”