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Not Much into sports

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When I start doing what you tell me to do I will start selling drugs and using drugs like you did. I will go to jail for beating up a woman like you did.

Yep preach your gospel.

Are you entertained ?

I sure wish you would quote me and prove why it is a lie. Not by your word by the way. Your word as a ex-convent in jail is worth little to me.

Would be nice if you provided links to your quotes. As well as proper punctuation. You may know them as “”. I’ve noticed recently your doing this again.

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As you have said you are here to be entertained…

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you know that is wrong. I am very open to counter opinion. But because I will not bow down to your belief system, you run your mouth like a child. My apologies for not converting to your belief system. Jesus is a good enough role model for me thank you.

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Here is some reading that may help you understand better than I can explain.

“Will Federal Health Legislation Cause the Deficit to Soar?”

Daniel J. Mitchell, Senior Fellow, Cato Institute

http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-58.pdf

“Even Obama’s Make-Believe Jobs Are Not Real”

Posted by Daniel J. Mitchell

http://www.cato-at-libert.....-not-real/

http://www.cato.org/media.....ght_id=888

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I understand your problems in understanding.

Liberals on this site do not read this article. JD and Kenny are so tied to their politics they ignore anything that jeopardizes their beliefs. I hope you are not that way to.

The article can be boiled down to this:

1. Government collects more revenue by cutting taxes.

2.Rich pay higher % of tax than poor by cutting taxes.

3. Jobs are created.
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FDR spending did a lot of good. Schools, bridges, etc were all build during that period. My Father planted trees.

As far as I know FDR money was well spent on projects needed. Although he had high taxes and did not increase government revenue, I find him to be an excellent President.

Obama spending is full of political graft. His website was upgraded for $18 million. We don’t know original cost because that paperwork is blacked out. Like it was Top Secret.

The stimulus package you like is full of political graft. Full of pet projects Congress members waned done. The bill was advertised as ‘shovel ready projects’, yet little occurred. Road works already in the works received big expensive signs saying part of stimulus package. Reported jobs gained because of plan was inflated and/or simple made up.

This plan is corrupt. Just as government corrupted home loans to needy causing all these home foreclosures and financial institution’s downfall. Government strong armed these institution. One only has to look at government partial ownership of Fanny and Freddie to see this clearly.

Bush and McCain warned Congress around the year 1995 of collapse and was scarf at. Yet it happened. Liberal say Bush is dumb and bad President, yet listening to Bush could have saved our economy. Sarah Palin is made fun of and ridiculed. What is a treat to the far right is condemned.

Obama is getting ready for job summit. What we may see is another stimulus package and money pumped into banks for small business loans. What is certain a % of business will fail as they always do. I expect a higher percentage do to government interference. Loans to unqualified individuals. Just like unqualified home buyers.

So many of stimulas plan jobs are government jobs. They are not useful for increasing government revenue.

Tax cuts spur private business growth and jobs jobs jobs. That is how government revenues grows through tax cuts.

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Here is article I wanted you to read. Interested in your opinion. Plenty of graphs and other things in link.

July 19, 1996
“The Historical Lessons of Lower Tax Rates”
by Daniel J. Mitchell, Ph.D.

“Introduction”

“The 1996 presidential campaign has rekindled the debate over tax reductions. Among the proposals being considered are an across-the-board reduction in tax rates, the repeal of rate increases imposed in 1990 and 1993, the deductibility of payroll taxes, and a modified flat tax. But regardless of the particular features of each change under consideration, the argument is the same. Proponents argue that lower tax rates will spur economic growth by reducing the penalty on working, saving, and investing. Opponents disagree, claiming that the economy is doing fine and that tax rate reductions, if enacted, will help the rich disproportionately while widening the deficit.”

“Fortunately, there is a way to judge the desirability of lower tax rates. The United States has had three major episodes of tax rate reductions — the 1920s, 1960s, and 1980s. By looking at how the economy performed during these periods, and by examining what happened to the deficit and the degree to which different income classes were affected, it is possible to gain useful evidence about the desirability of tax rate reductions today.”

“The evidence provides strong support for those who believe the economy is weak and favor reductions in tax rates. Recent history is especially compelling. Tax rate increases in 1990 and 1993 boosted the top rate to 39.6 percent (and over 42 percent including the Medicare payroll tax). This means a 50 percent increase in the tax burden on work, saving, investment, and entrepreneurship when compared with the 28 percent rate in effect when Ronald Reagan left office. The effect has been dismal:”

“•During the post-Reagan era, the economy has experienced its worst seven-year performance since the end of World War II.”

“•Real median family income, the best measure of living standards for the average American, has fallen by more than $2,000 since Reagan left office.”

“•Assuming there is no change in policy, the Congressional Budget Office estimates that economic growth for the next ten years will average less than 2.1 percent annually.1 This is well below the post-World War II average of 3.2 percent.”
“The economy’s sub-standard performance in recent years should come as no surprise. As seen below, major changes in tax policy inevitably affect growth.”

“•Across-the-board tax rate reductions in the 1920s reduced the top rate from 71 percent to 24 percent. The economy boomed, growing by 59 percent between 1921 and 1929.”

“•In 1930, Herbert Hoover raised tax rates from 25 percent to a maximum of 63 percent, and Franklin Roosevelt boosted them to 79 percent later in the decade. The 1930s, to put it mildly, are not remembered as one of the American economy’s better decades.2″

“•Across-the-board tax rate reductions introduced by President John F. Kennedy reduced the top rate from 91 percent to 70 percent. These lower rates, along with substantially lower taxes on savings and investment, are associated with the longest economic expansion in American history.3″

“•The Johnson surtax, enacted in 1968 during the administration of President Lyndon Johnson, combined with the inflation-induced bracket creep of the 1970s (subjecting taxpayers to higher rates even though their real incomes had not changed), resulted in a decade of stagflation.”

“•Reagan’s across-the-board tax cuts ushered in America’s longest peacetime expansion, helping to create 20 million new jobs and pushing incomes and living standards to record highs.”

“•The tax rate increases imposed under George Bush and Bill Clinton, as outlined below, are associated with the slowest growing economy in 50 years and a decline of more than $2,000 in the average family’s income.”

“If legislators want to unleash stronger growth and more prosperity, the best tax policy would be the flat tax. Under that proposal, all three major problems of the current tax code — high rates, anti-capital bias, and complexity — would be minimized. To the extent that politicians are reluctant to adopt a flat tax, however, any change that moved in the right direction would be helpful. If history is any guide, any tax rate reduction, whether a 15 percent across-the-board cut, a repeal of the Bush and Clinton tax hikes, or some other reform, would boost the economy and raise living standards.”

“Looking at Case Histories”

“The effect of tax rates on economic activity should not be overstated. The economy, after all, can be affected significantly by trade policy, regulatory policy, monetary policy, and many other government actions. Even within the context of fiscal policy, tax rates are not the only critical issue. Both the level of government spending and where that money goes are very important. And even when looking only at tax policy, tax rates are just one piece of the puzzle. If certain types of income are subject to multiple layers of tax, as occurs in the current system, that problem cannot be solved by low rates. Similarly, a tax system with needless levels of complexity will impose heavy costs on the productive sector of the economy.”

“Keeping all these caveats in mind, there nonetheless is a distinct pattern throughout American history: Simply stated, when tax rates are reduced, the economy prospers, tax revenues grow, and lower-income citizens bear a lower share of the tax burden. Conversely, periods of higher tax rates are associated with subpar economic performance and stagnant tax revenues.”

“The 1920s”

“Under the leadership of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon during the Administrations of Presidents Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge, tax rates were slashed from the confiscatory levels they had reached in World War I. The Revenue Acts of 1921, 1924, and 1926 reduced the top rate from 73 percent to 25 percent.”

“Spurred in part by lower tax rates, the economy expanded dramatically. In real terms, the economy grew 59 percent between 1921 and 1929, and annual economic growth averaged more than 6 percent.”

“Notwithstanding (or perhaps because of) the dramatic reduction in tax rates, personal income tax revenues increased substantially during the 1920s, rising from $719 million in 1921 to $1,160 million in 1928, an increase of more than 61 percent (this was a period of no inflation).4″

“The share of the tax burden borne by the rich rose dramatically. As seen in Chart 5, taxes paid by the rich (those making $50,000 and up in those days) climbed from 44.2 percent of the total tax burden in 1921 to 78.4 percent in 1928.”

“This surge in revenue was no surprise to Mellon:”

“The history of taxation shows that taxes which are inherently excessive are not paid. The high rates inevitably put pressure upon the taxpayer to withdraw his capital from productive business and invest it in tax-exempt securities or to find other lawful methods of avoiding the realization of taxable income. The result is that the sources of taxation are drying up; wealth is failing to carry its share of the tax burden; and capital is being diverted into channels which yield neither revenue to the Government nor profit to the people.5
The 1960s”

“President Kennedy proposed a series of tax rate reductions in 1963 that resulted in legislation the following year dropping the top rate from 91 percent in 1963 to 70 percent by 1965.6″

“The Kennedy tax cuts helped trigger the longest economic expansion in America’s history. Between 1961 and 1968, the inflation-adjusted economy expanded by more than 42 percent. On a yearly basis, economic growth averaged more than 5 percent.”

“Tax revenues grew strongly, rising by 62 percent between 1961 and 1968. Adjusted for inflation, they rose by one-third.”

“Just as in the 1920s, the share of the income tax burden borne by the rich increased. Tax collections from those making over $50,000 per year climbed by 57 percent between 1963 and 1966, while tax collections from those earning below $50,000 rose 11 percent. As a result, the rich saw their portion of the income tax burden climb from 11.6 percent to 15.1 percent.7″

“According to President Kennedy:”

“Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand, and the avoidance of large Federal deficits on the other. It is increasingly clear that no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits. Surely the lesson of the last decade is that budget deficits are not caused by wild-eyed spenders but by slow economic growth and periodic recessions and any new recession would break all deficit records. In short, it is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now.8
The 1980s”

“President Reagan presided over two major pieces of tax legislation which together reduced the top tax rate from 70 percent in 1980 to 28 percent by 1988.”

“The economic effects of the Reagan tax cuts were dramatic. When Reagan took office in 1981, the economy was being choked by high inflation and was in the middle of a double-dip recession (1980 and 1982). The tax cuts helped pull the economy out of the doldrums and ushered in the longest period of peacetime economic growth in America’s history. During the seven-year Reagan boom, economic growth averaged almost 4 percent.”

“Critics charge that the tax cuts caused higher deficits, but they misread the evidence. The Reagan tax cut, though approved in 1981, was phased in over several years. As a result, bracket creep (indexing was not implemented until 1985) and payroll tax increases completely swamped Reagan’s 1.25 percent tax cut in 1981 and effectively canceled out the portion of the tax cut which went into effect in 1982. The economy received an unambiguous tax cut only as of January 1983. Thereafter, personal income tax revenues climbed dramatically, increasing by more than 54 percent by 1989 (28 percent after adjusting for inflation).”

“Contrary to conventional wisdom, it was the “rich” who paid the additional taxes. The share of income taxes paid by the top 10 percent of earners jumped significantly, climbing from 48.0 percent in 1981 to 57.2 percent in 1988. The top 1 percent saw their share of the income tax bill climb even more dramatically, from 17.6 percent in 1981 to 27.5 percent in 1988.9″

“One of the chief architects of the Reagan tax cuts was then-U.S. Representative Jack Kemp (R-NY). According to Kemp:”

“At some point, additional taxes so discourage the activity being taxed, such as working or investing, that they yield less revenue rather than more. There are, after all, two rates that yield the same amount of revenue: high tax rates on low production, or low rates on high production.10
The Lessons”

1)” Lower tax rates do not mean less tax revenue.”

“The tax cuts of the 1920s”
“Personal income tax revenues increased substantially during the 1920s, despite the reduction in rates. Revenues rose from $719 million in 1921 to $1164 million in 1928, an increase of more than 61 percent (this was a period of virtually no inflation).”

“The Kennedy tax cuts”
“Tax revenues climbed from $94 billion in 1961 to $153 billion in 1968, an increase of 62 percent (33 percent after adjusting for inflation).”

“The Reagan tax cuts”
“Total tax revenues climbed by 99.4 percent during the 1980s, and the results are even more impressive when looking at what happened to personal income tax revenues. Once the economy received an unambiguous tax cut in January 1983, income tax revenues climbed dramatically, increasing by more than 54 percent by 1989 (28 percent after adjusting for inflation).”

2)” The rich pay more when incentives to hide income are reduced.”

“The tax cuts of the 1920s”
“The share of the tax burden paid by the rich rose dramatically as tax rates were reduced. The share of the tax burden borne by the rich (those making $50,000 and up in those days) climbed from 44.2 percent in 1921 to 78.4 percent in 1928.11″

“The Kennedy tax cuts”
“Just as happened in the 1920s, the share of the income tax burden borne by the rich increased following the tax cuts. Tax collections from those making over $50,000 per year climbed by 57 percent between 1963 and 1966, while tax collections from those earning below $50,000 rose 11 percent. As a result, the rich saw their portion of the income tax burden climb from 11.6 percent to 15.1 percent.12″

“The Reagan tax cuts”
“The share of income taxes paid by the top 10 percent of earners jumped significantly, climbing from 48.0 percent in 1981 to 57.2 percent in 1988. The top 1 percent saw their share of the income tax bill climb even more dramatically, from 17.6 percent in 1981 to 27.5 percent in 1988.13″

“The 1990s: Ignoring the Lessons of the Past”

“Unlike reductions in tax rates, increases in tax rates have a history of failure. The Hoover and Roosevelt tax increases of the 1930s certainly contributed to the dismal economy during the Great Depression. Tax revenues fell during much of the period, and the deficit increased. And as Chart 11 shows, the high tax rates of the 1950s resulted in sluggish revenue growth. Ignoring history, both Democrats and Republicans at the time argued that tax rates reaching over 90 percent could not be cut for fear of revenue loss. Moreover, the 1970s, which began with the Johnson surtax and later were hit by bracket creep, triggered the tax revolt and the Reagan tax cuts.”

“Perhaps more than any other decade, however, the 1990s make the best argument against higher tax rates. In both 1990 and 1993, the economy was subjected to record tax increases, the ostensible purpose of which was to raise revenue to reduce the budget deficit. As Chart 12 illustrates, however, these increases backfired. Total tax revenue, as a percent of economic output, is expected to be lower this year than it was when Reagan left office.14″

“Significantly, the modest decline in revenues relative to gross domestic product (GDP) is due to the slower growth in personal income tax revenues. As shown in Chart 12, individual income tax revenues totaled 8.6 percent of economic output in 1989. By 1996 — two large tax increases later — individual income tax revenues had fallen to 8.5 percent of economic output. In other words, the tax that was increased the most accounts for the drop in tax revenue as a share of national output.”

“High tax rates are bad for the economy. High tax rates that increase the deficit by reducing the growth of tax revenue are even worse. What makes recent history especially tragic is that the economic and budgetary losses could have been avoided if Bush and Clinton had simply kept Reagan’s policies in place. In 1989, the Congressional Budget Office projected that the budget deficit, which then was $152 billion, would continue to fall for the next five years assuming no change in Reagan’s policies. As of 1995 — again, two large tax increases later — the budget deficit had risen to $164 billion, and it is projected by the CBO to reach more than $400 billion by 2006 if Clinton’s policies are left in place.”

“The dismal budget numbers, however, tell only part of the story. The economy has been the real victim of higher tax rates. As Chart 13 shows, the post-Reagan era has seen the slowest growth of any seven-year period since the end of World War II. As discussed earlier, this slow growth has left people with more than $2,000 less income when inflation is taken into account. The biggest losers have been the poor. As Chart 14 illustrates, income for the bottom 20 percent has fallen the most during the Bush/Clinton era. The politicians who imposed the higher taxes, needless to say, argued that the rich would be the ones to suffer.”

“Conclusion”

“The economy is limping, incomes have been falling, tax revenues are stagnant, and it is projected that the deficit will more than double in the next ten years. This is the legacy of higher tax rates and a tax code that punishes working, saving, and investing. History shows clearly that the way to reverse this trend is to cut tax rates. Legislation to reduce rates would do this. Better still, Congress should scrap the current system as quickly as possible and replace it with a flat tax that treats all taxpayers equally and minimizes the burden on productive behavior.”

http://www.heritage.org/R.....BG1086.cfm

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I agree is nothing to be scared of. However obama is not talking to China about human rights. Not that America is perfect. But America does try hard to give freedom to individuals.

I know China is worried with all our spending infation will devalue our dollar. Which means paying back with dollars worth less. Not a good deal for China. That is not a win-win.

Debt loses jobs in America. As does higher taxes.

So Good night.

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Was wondering do you now live in America or China ?

I planned on going to bed but watching a cooking show on tv.

I want to see what you think of heritage link I just gave to you a second time. Want to know your thoughts on this link.

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Please read first link I gave you. This is historic information not poll. Although polls goes along with history.

http://www.heritage.org/r...../wm327.cfm

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Problem with present health care bill is too massive and full of bad things.

Canada, Enland and Countries that have public heaith care must ration their care and are deep in debt. As a few States are that have public plans now.

America’s two other social programs are like $100 Trillion in debt. Social security and Medicare.

We can correct our health care problems without massive overhaul.

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