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The Women’s Independent Forum, a non-partisan non-profit group focusing on women’s issues, released a new television ad today featuring a cancer-survivor discussing the dangers of the government care option being pushed by the Obama administration.
I’ll let this speak for itself:
From the IWF website:
(WASHINGTON, DC) – August 18 – 300,000 American women with breast cancer might have died over the last decade, if the US had adopted a British-style, government-run health care system. This shocking figure, based on recent studies, appears in a TV ad launched today by The Independent Women’s Forum, a non-profit organization focused on issues of concern for women. The 60-second spot highlights the deadly risks to women under the “public option” – or co-op – plan currently under consideration in Congress.
“My odds of surviving cancer were high, because my care was the best,” says Tracy, a 44 year-old breast cancer survivor featured in the ad, which airs over the next week on cable and broadcast stations and is currently featured on You Tube. “What are your odds if the government takes over your care?” she asks. The IWF is featuring stories similar to Tracy’s on its website, and is inviting people to share their own experiences about how they and their families have benefitted from the ability to make their own health care choices.
“Shifting the decision-making authority from the American citizen to government bureaucrats is an offense to who we are as Americans,” remarks Heather Richardson Higgins, Chairman of The Independent Women’s Forum. “Nothing could be more central to the pursuit of happiness than the ability to control one’s own health and health options of loved ones.”
Though support for the so-called “public option” has diminished in the face of fierce and widespread public opposition, the basic idea survives with a new name: co-op. In July, Senator Harry Reid said, “We’re going to have some type of public option, call it ‘co-op,’ call it what you want.” In addition, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi released a statement on August 17, declaring “There is strong support in the House for a public option. In the House, all three of our bills contain a public option.”
Those are the hard facts, that based on the actual statistics from other countries which currently have government-run health care plans, an estimated 300,000 American women could be dead today if our country worked under the same protocols of rationed care. That is not an exaggeration, that is simply applying the same procedures used in other countries to our country.
For another example of why our government should not be running a government health care plan, here is a 4 minute video showing the plight of Native Americans caught in government-guaranteed health care on reservations:
Our government cannot even provide quality care for a small percentage of citizens yet some people are naive enough to believe the Obama administration should be running one-seventh of the U.S. economy. Keep in mind the horror stories coming from government-rationed reservation care come not from insurance companies, but solely because of government inadequacy.
There is no excuse for the lack of quality care on reservations other than pure government incompetence, on every level. Why would anyone with half a brain think the government is then capable of running health care for the entire population?
True health care reform does not involve a government plan, rather it involves real reforms to make the best system in the world even better, and more accessible using free-market principles.
Another great discussion with a member of the European Parliament on the dangers of a government health care option:
I’ll let the Judge wrap it up:
Social Security… Broke
Medicare……….. Broke
Medicaid………… Broke
But hey, maybe Obamacare will be different since Obama seems very capable of balancing budgets and managing money. Just look at Cash for Clunkers, which once again is soon to be running out of cash for a second time as dealers pull out of the program for fear of not being paid. Obama can’t run Cash for Clunkers, he sure can’t run a health care plan.
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“AUGUST 11, 2009, 7:30 P.M. ET The Whole Foods Alternative to ObamaCare ”
“Eight things”
By JOHN MACKEY
“The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out
of other people’s money.”
“While we clearly need health-care reform, the last thing our country needs is a massive new health-care entitlement that will create hundreds of billions of dollars of new unfunded deficits and move us much closer to a government takeover of our health-care system. Instead, we should be trying to achieve reforms by moving in the opposite direction—toward less government control and more individual empowerment. Here are eight reforms that would greatly lower the cost of health care for everyone:”
?”Remove the legal obstacles that slow the creation of high-deductible health insurance plans and health savings accounts (HSAs). The combination of high-deductible health insurance and HSAs is one solution that could solve many of our health-care problems. For example, Whole Foods Market pays 100% of the premiums for all our team members who work 30 hours or more per week (about 89% of all team members) for our high-deductible health-insurance plan. We also provide up to $1,800 per year in additional health-care dollars through deposits into employees’ Personal Wellness Accounts to spend as they choose on their own health and wellness.”
“Money not spent in one year rolls over to the next and grows over time. Our team members therefore spend their own health-care dollars until the annual deductible is covered (about $2,500) and the insurance plan kicks in. This creates incentives to spend the first $2,500 more carefully. Our plan’s costs are much lower than typical health insurance, while providing a very high degree of worker satisfaction.”
“•?Equalize the tax laws so that employer-provided health insurance and individually owned health insurance have the same tax benefits. Now employer health insurance benefits are fully tax deductible, but individual health insurance is not. This is unfair.”
“•?Repeal all state laws which prevent insurance companies from competing across state lines. We should all have the legal right to purchase health insurance from any insurance company in any state and we should be able use that insurance wherever we live. Health insurance should be portable.”
“•?Repeal government mandates regarding what insurance companies must cover. These mandates have increased the cost of health insurance by billions of dollars. What is insured and what is not insured should be determined by individual customer preferences and not through special-interest lobbying.”
“•?Enact tort reform to end the ruinous lawsuits that force doctors to pay insurance costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. These costs are passed back to us through much higher prices for health care.”
“•?Make costs transparent so that consumers understand what health-care treatments cost. How many people know the total cost of their last doctor’s visit and how that total breaks down? What other goods or services do we buy without knowing how much they will cost.”
“•?Enact Medicare reform. We need to face up to the actuarial fact that Medicare is heading towards bankruptcy and enact reforms that create greater patient empowerment, choice and responsibility.”
“•?Finally, revise tax forms to make it easier for individuals to make a voluntary, tax-deductible donation to help the millions of people who have no insurance and aren’t covered by Medicare, Medicaid or the State Children’s Health Insurance Program.”
“Many promoters of health-care reform believe that people have an intrinsic ethical right to health care—to equal access to doctors, medicines and hospitals. While all of us empathize with those who are sick, how can we say that all people have more of an intrinsic right to health care than they have to food or shelter?”
“Health care is a service that we all need, but just like food and shelter it is best provided through voluntary and mutually beneficial market exchanges. A careful reading of both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution will not reveal any intrinsic right to health care, food or shelter. That’s because there isn’t any. This “right” has never existed in America.”
“Even in countries like Canada and the U.K., there is no intrinsic right to health care. Rather, citizens in these countries are told by government bureaucrats what health-care treatments they are eligible to receive and when they can receive them. All countries with socialized medicine ration health care by forcing their citizens to wait in lines to receive scarce treatments.”
“Although Canada has a population smaller than California, 830,000 Canadians are currently waiting to be admitted to a hospital or to get treatment, according to a report last month in Investor’s Business Daily. In England, the waiting list is 1.8 million.”
“At Whole Foods we allow our team members to vote on what benefits they most want the company to fund. Our Canadian and British employees express their benefit preferences very clearly—they want supplemental health-care dollars that they can control and spend themselves without permission from their governments. Why would they want such additional health-care benefit dollars if they already have an “intrinsic right to health care”? The answer is clear—no such right truly exists in either Canada or the U.K.—or in any other country.”
“Unfortunately many of our health-care problems are self-inflicted: two-thirds of Americans are now overweight and one-third are obese. Most of the diseases that kill us and account for about 70% of all health-care spending—heart disease, cancer, stroke, diabetes and obesity—are mostly preventable through proper diet, exercise, not smoking, minimal alcohol consumption and other healthy lifestyle choices.”
“Recent scientific and medical evidence shows that a diet consisting of foods that are plant-based, nutrient dense and low-fat will help prevent and often reverse most degenerative diseases that kill us and are expensive to treat. We should be able to live largely disease-free lives until we are well into our 90s and even past 100 years of age.”
“Health-care reform is very important. Whatever reforms are enacted it is essential that they be financially responsible, and that we have the freedom to choose doctors and the health-care services that best suit our own unique set of lifestyle choices. We are all responsible for our own lives and our own health. We should take that responsibility very seriously and use our freedom to make wise lifestyle choices that will protect our health. Doing so will enrich our lives and will help create a vibrant and sustainable American society.”
“Mr. Mackey is co-founder and CEO of Whole Foods Market Inc.”
http://online.wsj.com/art.....65070.html
Yes, atack this terrible man Liberals. He pays himself $1.00 a year before it was fashionable. Gives away his stock option…
But hey, trust government to give us another broke social security, broke medicare, broke Medicaid, broke post office. In a broke National health care.
hahahahaha…. lol. This is just becoming ridiculous! Are you sure you don’t work for Rush?
I think this is the 4th “topic” saying the same fear based garbage.
Well you know JD, you can actually write a comment based on facts with links. On any political topic you wish. I do it all the time. You don’t even have to read Nate’s article. Allas, hahahahaha. Complain, complain, conplain. Substance…””00.00””. You won’t. Whine. Whine. Whine.
Bill, I have submitted articles in the past for nate to post and surprise, surprise… not posted.
You could of just now posted it. What do you think I was talking about ??? I don’t write articles. What is the difference between comment and article ??? EGO ??? I have writen comments far longer than most of Nate’s articles. With more links.
Write them. I will be happy to read then. Will comment on it if of interest to me. Will agree or disagree, depending on my personal stance.
Don’t let ‘title’ hamper your expression.
I have problem with personal belittling. Our differing political view is fine.
I wonder how many gullible people swallow the bunk this site spews.
The UK has a higher breast cancer rate than America, and they have government run healthcare. Therefor government run healthcare is bad!!!!!
So I wonder, what countries have the best overall cancer survival rates? Well that’d be US, Australia, Canada, France and Japan. Guess how many of those countries have strong government presence in their healthcare? EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM EXCEPT THE U.S. So hey, maybe your point that government run healthcare will kill tons of Americanss every year is… hysteria. And it’s hysterical hysteria.
Try thinking for yourself sometime.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/h.....510121.stm
“I think this is the 4th “topic” saying the same fear based garbage.”
JD, it always seems convenient for you to ignore facts and just call them “fear” so you don’t have to inadequately try to rebut them.
Furthermore, I noticed you didn’t rebut anything nor did you call into question the integrity of the videos and information posted. You called them “fear based” and proved nothing.
Yes indeed I am afraid of the government ruining a health care system in which an overwhelming majority of Americans say they are satisfied with. The government has bankrupt programs galore, including the US Postal Service which Obama compared his health care plan to.
I noticed you ignored the video about the abysmal care on Indian reservations, how convenient of you.
You have no good answer for that nor can you logically explain how, given the failures of programs like social security, medicare, medicaid and the post office, you think government can run a health insurance plan.
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Bones,
Rather than criticizing me, perhaps you could try rebutting the statistics with some facts. It works better in general.
Also, it has been demonstrated time and time again that America’s higher cancer survival rates, especially for breast and prostate cancer, are due to our superior system which gets patients faster care than the government-run systems. That facts is indisputable. Patients in the UK and Canada wait months for treatments Americans get in weeks and usually days. I know you don’t watch the videos or read what I write, you just come in here all peeved that not everyone lives off the government like yourself.
I noticed you too ignored the video about the abysmal care on Indian reservations, how convenient of you also.
The hysteria is coming from President Obama calling health care a “crisis” when an overwhelming majority of Americans are satisfied with their care and/or insurance.
Research the topic more and then come back later for another try.
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Kids, someday when you can explain to me how a government running numerous bankrupt programs already is currently equipped to begin running another one, I’ll listen. Until that day comes, you lose this discussion every single time.
“Rather than criticizing me, perhaps you could try rebutting the statistics with some facts. It works better in general.
Also, it has been demonstrated time and time again that America’s higher cancer survival rates, especially for breast and prostate cancer, are due to our superior system which gets patients faster care than the government-run systems. That facts is indisputable.”
Funny, I notice you didn’t provide any statistics yourself. Actually, I provided a link to the facts I cited. But here’s another http://www.webmd.com/canc.....by-country
Again, US, Japan, and France have the top cancer survival rates (who survives best in what country depends on what cancer they have).
And yes, Nate, I already do rely on the government for healthcare, because no private insurer will cover my ‘pre-existing condition’. So really I have no choice. If it weren’t for government healthcare programs, I couldn’t have healthcare at all.
Hasn’t killed me yet.
“Hasn’t killed me yet.”
That’s a good motto for government-care. You can keep it.
From your article:
“The highest survival rates were found in the U.S. for breast and prostate cancer, in Japan for colon and rectal cancers in men, and in France for colon and rectal cancers in women, Coleman’s team reports.”
I’m wondering where you were trying to dispute the facts in the videos and information above. The United States has higher survival rates than the UK or Canada. Thus implying that people with those cancerous conditions die more frequently in Canada and the UK, thus a “survival” rate.
Again though, nice try.
I’m disputing the nonsensical logic you’re using to construct that. Let’s piece it apart again
UK has higher breast cancer mortality rate than the US
UK has government run healthcare
Therefor: government run healthcare is bad
Well here’s the same logic
US, Japan, Australia, Canada, and France have the world’s lowest cancer mortality rates
4 out of those 5 have strong government presence in healthcare
Therefor: _______________
Do I even have to fill in the blank for you? But go on and focus ONLY one specific type of cancer, if it’ll support your point better
Propaganda.
Bones,
You ignore the fact that breast cancer and prostate cancer are the two most treatable forms of cancer yet thousands more die in the UK and Canada than in the United States.
Why, on the most easily treated forms of cancer? Furthermore, you ignore the reason why that is which has to do with access to care and long waits to receive the basic care in the UK and Canada. I am saying that we do not want a model like that in the United States.
Why should we accept government health care which cannot even treat the most easily treated forms of cancer as well as our current system already does?
The biggest reason obamaliar has against our health companies is pre-condition coverage, covering all, and cost. An employer of 50,000 workers gave his suggestions to solve. Without socialism. By the way, obama’s plan does not cover all.
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Bill Hedges Aug 20th, 2009 at 4:14 a.m.__this article
I know it’s good, JOHN MACKEY is being attacked by Liberals just like they attacked Sarah Palin…
Interesting Nate… Did you know Medicare gave a 100 year old lady a pacemaker? I think you have heard of her…she was the one you were using as a poster child.
Why aren’t you covering that? Oh, it doesn’t fit into your propaganda.
Hey Nate… what do you think about this video from the American Cancer society??? Let us see if you’ll take the time to watch it.
http://www.cancer.org/doc....._video.asp
I just want to quote some other things from the American Cancer society. I’ll include the links for you nate. Not that you will open them.
So you may survive cancer but you are in debt from it.
How great is it that people in these countries may worry about their illness but they don’t worry about going bankrupt from their illness.
Interesting… More and more people are not insured that can’t be good??? can it? Who picks up the bill when some one gets cancer while un-insured?
You have a point Nate, but breast cancer rates in the US are also the highest in the world. Let’s assume that’s not our healthcare system at fault there, and just say it just happens to be that way. Well then we have the most experience treating it here – it’s a bigger problem here than anywhere else in the world. Thank god we’ve got a higher survival rate.
Anyway, my real issue with this article is that your presenting half the picture. Yes, people with breast cancer, an easy to treat illness, are better off in our system than in a healthcare system like Japan, Australia, France, or Canada have. But the flip side is, if you have a harder to treat cancer, you’re better off in Japan, Australia, France, or Canada. And you certainly neglect to mention that half of the picture. Is that half any less important?
It makes me feel this whole article is something of a half-truth. Both sides of the isle feed us half-truths in order to bolster their point. Unfortunately that’s terrible for America, and terrible for health reform of any kind.
I guess, I don’t have the rights to embed youtube videos. lol.
Here is another video from the American Cancer Association.
http://www.cancer.org/doc....._video.asp
Take a watch… And I need to be a bit more polite on here. I have a personal experience with cancer in my family and the debt that come even if you have insurance…
on the Democrats’ big health care bill, H.R. 3200, America ’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009.
Page 30:
“A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)”
Page 42:
“The “Health Choices Commissioner” will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.”
JD…………As much as I have sympathy for your experience with having a loved one with cancer you ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO EXPERIENCED THIS.My mother died in 1972 (at age 53) and we just lost my mother in-law with cancer.This therefore doesn’t make you any more of an expert on dealing with the illness nor the expenses involved contrary to your own belief.
DDM, Did both your Mother and Brother-in-law have private health insurance?
JD………Private health insurance isn’t the point of my post.The point is you keep bringing up this straw dog arguement of your personal experience (4 or 5 times now) as if to add validity to your side of the arguement.This tact was taken with Cindy Sheehan also who the left made into a expert on the ANTI-WAR PROTEST due to her having lost a son.
In answer to your question however when Mom died in 1972( she fought the disease 4 years) little was known about the disease and even less covered under any insurance plan. My MOTHER IN-LAW died this past June and at age 87 was covered under Medicaid.I know what you are going to say next and NO JD my in-laws are good NEW YORK DEMOCRATS and I HAD NO SAY in whether they filed for Medicaid.
DDM, My point is just that surviving cancer has many other factors than just the weather you are private or on government insurance but the cost is a completely different story.
I mean, if you have prostate cancer than your might want to head to France. So don’t jump on the bandwagon with Nate and claim that private insurance is the best because we save more breast cancer victims but ignore the fact that we drop the ball on others. The fact is that our healthcare system is broken.
we spend most of our lives happy with private insurance only to have them drop us in our retirement years. Not to mention more and more companies are dropping health insurance and covering less and less.
So I just want to hear from you DDM and others. Do you want to get ride of Medicare and Medicaid? I have heard you claim how horrible they are… Please, I am curious. If you had the power would you do away with it? and what would you do in instead?
As for my personal experiences, they have taught me that the system is broken. I can’t tell you what the “Perfect” solution is but I can tell you a better or worse one and doing nothing is worse. Don’t act “holier than thou” with your experience because I know for a fact that you would use them as an example if it would help your argument.
Give it time DDM. If nothing changes one day you are going to be in the situation where you are complaining about your medicare and medicaid insurance even though they are the only ones who will cover you. Like I said, you’ll complain about the government even as the American tax payers lend you a helping hand. God Bless you.
JD………….YOU MUST BE KIDDING??? Heading to France or anywhere else in the world is the last place I would choose when we have the best medical people HERE IN THE UNITED STATES FOR ALL TYPES OF TREATMENT.People come HERE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TO BE TREATED NOT FRANCE!!!INNOVATION AND BUREAUCRACY ARE RARELY FOUND TOGETHER WHEN GOVERNMENT TAKES OVER.
YOU CAN’T BE NAIVE ENOUGH OR BELIEVE THE PEOPLE ON THIS SITE NAIVE ENOUGH TO BELIEVE YOUR BOOGYMAN ARGUEMENT? IN ORDER TO QUAIFY FOR EITHER MEDICARE OR MEDICAID the government investigates all your FINANCIAL assets.This involves bank accounts,homes,cars,stocks,businesses everything.IT HAS TO BE BELOW A CERTAIN LEVEL IN ORDER FOR YOU TO QUALIFY…..IT ISN’T AUTOMATIC AS YOU MAKE IT SOUND. I’m going to be 62 this fall and I don’t qualify for either.My retirement plan covers me for all my medical so NO I DON’T INTEND TO SLOBBER OFF YOUR BENEVOLENT GOVERNMENT BUFFET.
YES THE SYSTEM IS IN NEED OF REFORM BUT THE GOVERNMENT WITH IT’S HISTORY OF INCOMPETENCE IN SOCIAL SECURITY,MEDICARE,MEDICAID,POST OFFICE,VA HOSPITALS AND THE LIST GOES ON IS NOT QUALIFIED TO TACKLE NATIONAL HEALTH CARE.There are health care accounts and other options which we covered months ago but these DON’T CONTRIBUTE TO THE DNC LIKE THE ABORTION LOBBY,UNIONS AND LAWYERS DO THAT GOVERNMENT SPONSORED NATIONAL HEALTH CARE WOULD ENABLE.
The lefts TUGGING AT THE HEART STRINGS usually preceeds the TUGGING AT OUR PURSE STRINGS but then again the LEFT IS A PLAYGROUND FOR MALCONTENTS AND THE MISLED.
Interesting… You didn’t answer if you would get rid of them???
Also you are not correct about Medicare. It is plain and simple for enrollment. However, you are right, you won’t qualify for Medicaid if you make or have a certain amount of money. I.E. you are not impoverished but no worries you have Medicare.
In general, U.S. citizens or permanent residents are eligible for Medicare benefits if they have worked for at least ten years in a job that has paid money into the Medicare system. That’s pretty easy to figure out just by looking at your paycheck. Most companies show Medicare tax as a separate line item or they combine it with Social Security taxes.
This eligibility rule also applies to your spouse, meaning that if either you or your spouse worked for ten or more years and paid money into the Medicare system, then you are both covered. You must also be 65 years or older to receive Medicare unless you have been diagnosed with permanent disability or permanent kidney failure that requires dialysis or a kidney transplant.
So to summarize, there are really only two conditions you need to meet to qualify for Medicare benefits:
1. You must have paid money (taxes) into the Medicare system for at least ten years.
2. You must be age 65 or older, unless you have a disability or permanent kidney failure.
I am shocked that you didn’t know this??? And congrats for being one of the lucky ones that gets a retirement package. Most people I know now are laid off before they qualify for retirement.
So what was your profession that you were able to get a retirement package? Teacher?
JD,
Couple things for you. I did watch the videos and have some reaction. That being said, I am growing weary of even accepting your false premises just to prove you wrong. Obamacare will be bankrupt and will worsen our health care system, anyone with half a brain knows that. It isn’t the answer and you will never convince me that is is since I know from research that it isn’t.
Nonetheless, here are 25 minutes of my busy life which I cannot get back so please read it.
1) They used the debunked “47 million without insurance” number which isn’t even close. That includes millions of illegal aliens, millions of people who don’t want to pay for insurance and millions of people between jobs who are temporarily without insurance for one reason or another. The real number of people without insurance with no access to it is around 12 million or so. Furthermore, they may be without insurance but they are not without care. So right off the bat, the 47 million number is a lie.
2) Nowhere in that video did they advocate for government-run health insurance or care, they simply explained some problems for people who don’t have health insurance.
3) They address the issue of “access to care,” which is something that can be solved with techniques other than a government-run health care program. Try buying insurance over state lines which will bring down costs, something you can’t do now. Beyond that, moving away from the employer-provided insurance and putting insurance back into the hands of individuals.
4) They do not discuss what a government-run health care system could do and how it will actually decrease access to the care, something they care concerned about. I think they know that which is why they didn’t say “The American Cancer Society supports Obamacare,” they just said they want the issue of “access to care” addressed.
Finally, JD, the issue is not how can we improve access to insurance and bring everyone up to the best level of health care in the world, the issue is whether or not the government is the answer, which it isn’t.
Obama’s public health care plan won’t solve the issues mentioned in that video, it simply won’t. Those people paying thousands in bills will have their taxes raised to pay for their government health insurance and their quality of care lowered.
Oh, and this:
“Interesting Nate… Did you know Medicare gave a 100 year old lady a pacemaker? I think you have heard of her…she was the one you were using as a poster child.”
That’s nice that Medicare did that. Too bad Obama told that woman’s daughter that her mother might be better off taking a pain pill and dying. She’s better off on Medicare since Obamacare would have slated her for death and free end-of-life counseling, that’s according to Obama’s mouth.
JD, after watching both videos you posted, I have learned the following:
A) The ACS supports reform which provides more “access to care.”
and
B) The ACS did not endorse a government-run health care plan.
So what I am surmising is that the ACS knows what I already know, that we can provide more access to care by simple market reforms, not a government-run health care plan.
JD, why are you in favor of more bankrupt social programs when it’s clear that we can provide more access to care without getting the government involved? I mean seriously, at this point I can’t explain your devotion to bigger government other than being a glutton for failure and mediocrity.
The ACS is doing good things and yet they are not in favor of Obamacare.
In fact, from the ACS website:
Very interesting. So it sounds like the ACS does not believe that Obamacare is the definitive answer, or they’d be pursuing it. I searched and found them quiet on the current legislative proposals as well including HR 3200.
Support the common sense reforms we can do already without creating more government failure.
I’m in favor of working solutions, not nationalization.
You have proved nothing that we didn’t already know. America’s health care is the best in the world, we simply need to break down government regulations and create a better insurance market, not nationalize health insurance.
You’re telling me the solution is a government health care plan. I know from history and facts that this line of thinking is incorrect and will not fix problems, it will only help making them worse. That is fact, buddy, don’t act like it isn’t. I don’t care who proposes be it George W. Bush or Barack H. Obama, it’s dead wrong.
Therefore, I’m telling you the logical solution involves initiatives other than a government-run plan. That is where the reform is.
Nice try though but since I did bother to watch the videos, I found out more than you did such as the ACS isn’t on board with Obamacare.
Nate… “When we say that everyone deserves access to affordable, quality health care, we mean that every American should be able to obtain adequate and affordable health coverage, whether through a private system, a public system, or some combination of the two.”
hahahahhahaha… i have had to explain this to you time and time again. The bills in the legislative branch is not for socialized medicine it is for a “Public insurance option”. And Yes the ACS does support a Public option.
But whatever, nate, time and time again you only seem to hear what you want to hear. Like Obama telling a 100 year old woman to take a pill and die. He didn’t say that… In fact he said it should be left to the doctors and that you can protect the 100 year old lady by providing good healthcare to all.
lol.
Look, I am for other solutions. I think opening it up along state lines could help cost but it definitely wouldn’t be the end all solution. The real issue isn’t that 24 million people are without insurance (splitting the difference between the numbers) but that the people who have insurance are dumped and left for the government to pick them up.
I mean, why would 40 million Americans sign up for Medicare if they could get better insurance else where?
Anyway, I am pretty much done talking to you about this issue. It just comes down that you don’t want it no matter what has to be said. That is cool, you are entitled to that opinion.
I just hope that you have the character to stand by your morals and make sure that you don’t sign up for medicare when you turn 65 or at any age. And for that reason, I truly believe that people who don’t want to be apart of a government program shouldn’t have to pay for it, however, they should not ever be eligible for it either.
So I will fight for your right to “Opt” out and not be apart of the program.
Nate
It is the words from the lips of the ‘ANOINTED ONE’ that counts to the falling numbers of obamites. No matter what you say, hahanah, or some other ridicule towards you will surface. You are a non-believer and not to be trusted. Check past comments and see it that is not true.
Obama has created a obamaite religious cult. ‘Ones’, like JD, quote HIm scripture & verse including His false preaching. As you so eloquently destroyed. And in my small way disproved AARP backing for HIS plan.
I used HIS as an affect, not out of respect.
The cult reacts violently as terrorist do, but with little less physical aggression. Look at public figures who cast doubts upon HIM. Sarah Palin, Joe the Plumber, John McCain, JOHN MACKEY, etc.. Add Town Hall meeting un-Americans.
There are similarities to Branch Davidian cult, and Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple. Each group blindly followed their leader. One ended tragically by fire. The other, KOOL-ADE.
Obviously JD’s blinders keep him from seeing his mistakes, found in his links he provided as evidence. Look for even less links from him. HE dumbs-down his congregation. HE tells his flock financial tragedy from health expenses shall receive HIS HELP. NO MORE FINANCIAL SORROW IN CASE OF CANCER. Same methods that led to the Holocaust. Blind obedience.
There is no learning curve with line going up with obamaites as observed here. Facts does not phase them, was waste of your 25 minutes Nate.. Polls do.
31 % strong approval with total 49 % approval.
http://www.rasmussenrepor.....ex_history
For the big drops coming, America is in store for more of HIS horrible dilemmas.
JD will digest selective portion of your message (as always), spitting out the poison he can not ridicule. Attacking the little left he can save face with and argue. He may have to resort to amnesia to your comment and fade away a few days. Should he respond, he blames you the messenger for his bellyache with hahahaha. Maybe show his paranoia with “I guess, I don’t have the rights to embed youtube videos. ”, such remarks are becoming common place.
A Doctor treats a hypochondriac with a sugar pill. To get the patient off his back. Sometime its works in the mind of the sick? client. Nate save your time, feed sugar pills.
Your logic is fraud by your resolve. They change insurance to save money.
Exact reason people have been telling you here time after time. people will go to public option, or whatever term omagod tells you to use now, to save money. Government make up loss though taxes. Unfair competition. Breaking America’s back.
My insurance dropped those who reached $1,500,000 in benefit. As long as you paid premiums you are not dropped. Not because you got horrible disease. Contract does not allow. With Government choice you have no contract and can not sue.
Your last 11/2 paragraph is so sad. Even if I opt out I pay in increase taxes for those who opt in. Cause premiums collected, no mater what your religious leader says, will not pay cost. Countries with social health plans are busted and must cut benefits and ration.
You wish to stop giving omagod’s rhetoric because you are down to repeating it often… And it isn’t flying…
Congress in action…
http://www.youtube.com/wa.....D_YOlUBoIk
Sound on my computer does not work. Have no idea what’s on video.
Email from my Brother…
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Hidden camera inside Canada’s medical clinic and hospital
See if for yourself -
Hidden camera shows the truth about Canada National Health Care
inside medical clinic and hospital
http://www.youtube.com/wa.....eature=fvw
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Those who remember how great health care was
‘before’ Hillary Clinton created “HMO” when Bill was President
Likewise, you will remember both ‘Obama’ and ‘Democrats’ who enacted
US has National Health Care
Omagod changing his mind day by day.
http://www.youtube.com/wa.....Q&NR=1