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In a great day for America, the Obama administration has bowed to pressure from voicestrus Americans and “blue dog” Democrats and now appears ready to drop the “public option” from the health insurance nationalization legislation.
Yahoo news reports:
WASHINGTON – Bowing to Republican pressure and an uneasy public, President Barack Obama’s administration signaled Sunday it is ready to abandon the idea of giving Americans the option of government-run insurance as part of a new health care system.
Facing mounting opposition to the overhaul, administration officials left open the chance for a compromise with Republicans that would include health insurance cooperatives instead of a government-run plan. Such a concession probably would enrage Obama’s liberal supporters but could deliver a much-needed victory on a top domestic priority opposed by GOP lawmakers.
Officials from both political parties reached across the aisle in an effort to find compromises on proposals they left behind when they returned to their districts for an August recess. Obama had wanted the government to run a health insurance organization to help cover the nation’s almost 50 million uninsured, but didn’t include it as one of his core principles of reform.
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said that government alternative to private health insurance is “not the essential element” of the administration’s health care overhaul. The White House would be open to co-ops, she said, a sign that Democrats want a compromise so they can declare a victory.
What this really means is that now Americans have to double their efforts and watch out for stealth provisions which will emulate a public option without calling it such.
Either way, this is a great day for America as the administration has heard from the people and will be forced to scale back some of the socialist agenda.
Note that this will not, nor has it come as a good-will gesture but more of a political necessity to help Democrats running for re-election in 2010. Keep the pressure on as this shows the first crack in big government’s socialist armor.
More from Yahoo:
“All I’m saying is, though, that the public option, whether we have it or we don’t have it, is not the entirety of health care reform,” Obama said at a town hall meeting in Grand Junction, Colo. “This is just one sliver of it, one aspect of it.”
It’s hardly the same rhetoric Obama employed during a constant, personal campaign for legislation.
“I am pleased by the progress we’re making on health care reform and still believe, as I’ve said before, that one of the best ways to bring down costs, provide more choices and assure quality is a public option that will force the insurance companies to compete and keep them honest,” Obama said in July.
Lawmakers have discussed the co-op model for months although the Democratic leadership and the White House have said they prefer a government-run option.
Make no mistake about it, the administration will now begin downplaying a public option but it was the crux of their plan and it will hopefully be defeated.
This is a good for liberty, capitalism and hard-working Americans who refuse to pay for more failing government programs and mediocrity.
However, the war against government failure and growth isn’t over and we must keep the pressure on our representatives to govern for America. We must push for true health care reform and solutions which are market-based, not government nationalization forcing everyone onto a public plan. Real solutions will come from common sense, not from big government expansion and higher taxes.
Update
Seems as though the public option will not go quietly since the leftist wing of the Democrat Party refuses to give on this issue.
From Nancy Pelosi:
“As the President stated in March, ‘The thinking on the public option has been that it gives consumers more choices and it helps keep the private sector honest, because there’s some competition out there.’
“We agree with the President that a public option will keep insurance companies honest and increase competition.
“There is strong support in the House for a public option. In the House, all three of our bills contain a public option as does the bill from the Senate HELP Committee.
“A public option is the best option to lower costs, improve the quality of health care, ensure choice and expand coverage.
“The public option brings real reform to lower costs over the 10 year period of the bill.”
Clearly she isn’t ready to retreat on the issue and she’s even using President Obama’s own words against. He has argued heavily in favor of a single payer socialized system though over the weekend he and his minions seemed to back off that option. Or did they?
As Bloomberg reports, many Democrats are heavily in favor of a socialized system:
Aug. 17 (Bloomberg) — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said a health-care overhaul should include a government-run insurance program, reiterating her backing for the plan after an administration official suggested the president may back down.
“There is strong support in the House for a public option,” Pelosi, of California, said in a statement. “A public option is the best option to lower costs, improve the quality of health care, ensure choice and expand coverage.”
Other Democrats called on President Barack Obama to stand by his commitment to create the new government plan to compete with private companies, saying they wouldn’t be able to support any health-reform measure that lacked a public option.
Representative Maxine Waters of California said she was “very troubled to hear that after months of negotiations, supposedly moving toward meaningful health-care reform, the public option may in fact be off the table.”
Republicans and some Democrats oppose the creation of a federal health-care plan, saying it would undercut private insurers and expand the government’s role too much. Lawmakers have fielded questions on the topic from constituents at town- hall meetings throughout the nation during their August recess. The health overhaul measures approved by three House committees and one Senate panel include a government-run health plan.
The best part about this kerfuffle over the weekend is that it has separated the socialists from the boys, so to speak. We now see that many liberal Democrats absolutely support and require a public plan government-run program in the bill in order to support it. This, of course, proves that these Democrats are not interested in solutions, rather they’re interested in expanding government, raising taxes and taking more of your personal liberties.
The question here is whether the backpedaling is authentic or simply political theater designed to soften the hemorrhaging support for Obamacare.
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This hardly sounds like anything concrete.The vagueness of it is tactfully incomprehensible.Thoughout his town hall presentations the President bamboozled and razzmattazzed his way by regurgitating the same prattle to his cast of staged liberal sympathizers and now he’s blinking? I have one or two questions which immediatly comes to mind. “Is one of his Health Commission Agencies or some other GOVERNMENT RUN REGULATORY BUREAUCRACY going to dictate how these CO-OP’s are run? WHY SHOULD THEY BE NON-PROFIT WHEN OTHER REFORMS HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED ON THE SYSTEM? This is all shrouded in vagueness and made palatable by imprecision IN ORDER TO BUY TIME.The President lied to the doctors,drug companies and the country to get this far.WE NEED TO VERIFY AND CLARIFY JUST WHAT IS WRITTEN BEFORE WE END THIS “AUSEINANDERSETZUNG”.
We have every right to rejoice in our victory. Our Boston tea party is a day of distinctive infamy. So many obamites removed their blinders and joined free Americans in a patriotic overthrow of insidious tyrannical pursuits..
‘Eyes wide shut’ of vast numbers of obama’s faithful followers has been repaired and now sees clearly. No more will they play follow the leader and heed his every wish. Except for the fading few die heart radicals. ‘Blind allegiances’ does not belong to any mortal man.
The Boston Tea Party was just the first victory. Many more battles to come.
“Sound trumpets! Let our bloody colours wave! And either victory, or else a grave.”
William Shakespeare
Chicago Mob Boss obama powers are no longer absolute. The gates to freedon has been opened. Tyranny’s head has be laid on the guillotine chopping block. Head awaits the securing. Then the decapitation..
A cell awaits you in Federal Prison for notorious prisoners in my home town of Springfield, Missouri. Most reknown criminals come here. The heart of the Ozarks. Bob Baker has ties here. As he might say, ‘Come on down’ prisoner # EX 1
I am always suspicious when a crook offers a solution to a problem. His way is not in our best interest, but his. Unless handcuffed and surrounded by army of armed guards and Attorny Generals…
Obamacrook’s alternate plan will be examine word by word just as his last fiasco was. There will be no unread signed law again, that would lead to civil disobedience now. In my opinion.
A quick search of ‘CO-OP’s’ brings up this article.
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“Conrad’s Corrupt, Craptacular, Often Criminal Co-ops.”
“by BenGoshi”
Jul 22, 2009
“Senator Kent Conrad (Shill-Insurance Industry) continues to bang away at his One Man Band for Health Care Co-ops, as an alternative to a Public Option. Unfortunately the President and others are starting to listen. Conrad’s visceral fear of a Public Option should come as no surprise: just in the 2009-10 cycle Conrad’s received almost 3/4 of a Million $$$ in donations/bribes from “Health” PACs and industry-related individuals. . . so far.”
“BenGoshi’s diary :: ::”
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“Let me tell you what these “Co-opts” will be. They’ll be political bodies whose Boards of Directors will be captured and populated by the politically-connected, powerful and wealthy. They’ll be rife with sell-outs, insurance industry shills and apologists. We’ll see scandal after scandal develop in these things over the years as health insurance companies will pull out all the stops to pack them with “their people” and bribes, kickbacks, and all sorts of chicanery, both criminal and generally nefarious will eat-up these Co-ops like so many cancers.”
” And, of course, the Health Insurance industry and their boy, Kent, are salivating at the prospect of these little horror shows supplanting the Public Option.”
“Want examples of what I’m talking about? Try these:”
“ALABAMA”
“Wiregrass Electric”, a utility (electricity) “Co-op” formed in 1939 in Southeast Alabama whose stated purpose is:”
“[P]roviding quality electrical service as well as improving the quality of life of its consumers through a variety of programs and services available to all consumers.”
“That’s nice.”
“And here’s the Video that’s smack in the middle of Wiregrass Electric’s Home Page, under the heading, “Balancing Environmental Concerns with Affordable Energy Prices… Be informed . . . get involved . . . know the facts! Wiregrass Electric’s latest WEC Update shows how climate legislation could affect your electric bill”:
” And here’s Wiregrass Electric’s “CEO Blog”, from two (2) days ago:
“Climate change legislation has been discussed for several years now, and it’s arrived in the form of the American Clean Energy and Security Act (ACES). Commonly referred to as the Waxman-Markey bill because it was sponsored by Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Ca.) and Rep. Ed Markey (D-Mass.), this legislation has the potential to begin a cycle that will revolutionize the electricity business.
“When Wiregrass Electric Cooperative’s (WEC’s) business changes, it means big changes for you the consumer as well. The bill is intended to boost energy efficiency, develop renewable energy sources and curb greenhouse gas emissions; however, I fear that the cost of Waxman-Markey will far outweigh any actual benefits.
“According to the Heritage Foundation, the higher energy costs kick in as soon as the bill’s provisions take effect in 2012. For a household of four, energy costs will go up $436 that year. They estimate costs will eventually reach $1,241 in 2035 and average $829 annually over that span. Your electricity costs would go up 90 percent by 2035, gasoline by 58 percent and natural gas by 55 percent. The collective higher energy costs for a family of four by then will be nearly $20,000. . . .”
“TEXAS
“Pedernalas Electrical Cooperative
June 17, 2009: “A grand jury in Blanco County has indicted two people after an investigation into unlawful conduct at the Pedernales Cooperative. . .
“While it has not yet been made clear what specifically lead to the indictments, in an excerpt from the videotaped hearings, Senator Troy Fraser said, “When we get rid of the four directors, then we might consider that we have a new Pedernales [Electric Co-op]. I estimate that they either misspent or took close to $50 million from me [and] the other customers of Pedernales [Electric Co-op. . . ."
"Even more from [ good ol' Pedernalas Co-op]:”
“Austin-based law firm Clark, Thomas & Winters will pay Pedernales Electric Cooperative $4.1 million to settle a law suit over improper payments to relatives of former cooperative officials.”
“The settlement comes a day after a Blanco County grand jury indicted Walter Demond, formerly attorney at the firm, and former PEC general manager Bennie Fuelberg. Demond was the cooperative’s co-counsel when payments were made to Curtis Fuelberg, a lobbyist and Bennie Fuelberg’s brother, and William Price, son of former board director E.B. Price. . .”
“GEORGIA”
From April, 2009:
“The Cobb County (Metro Atlanta) district attorney’s office and local and state law enforcement agencies executed search warrants Wednesday at five locations related to the Cobb Electric Membership Corp.”
“The search warrants, unsealed Wednesday, said agents were seeking evidence related to theft and racketeering at the electric cooperative. . . .”
“From the Atlanta Journal-Constitution”
“The list goes on. Really. It does.”
“THIS is what Kent Conrad wants for the Health Care in America.”
“BenGoshi”
http://www.dailykos.com/s.....al-Co-ops.
“They’ll be rife with sell-outs, insurance industry shills and apologists. We’ll see scandal after scandal develop in these things over the years as health insurance companies will pull out all the stops to pack them with “their people” and bribes, kickbacks, and all sorts of chicanery, both criminal and generally nefarious will eat-up these Co-ops like so many cancers.”
Now who will be getting these kick backs ? One noeteable group, who in first health care got it, ACORN.
OBAMA WILL GET HIS SHARE, CHICAGO STYLE.
THIS PLAN IS LOOKING SHAKY !!!
Last link-“THIS is what Kent Conrad wants for the Health Care in America.”
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Who is Kent Conrad. Another crook like obama ???
What a provocative article. I love it so much. Enough to make a liberal throw-up in disbelief of what he reads.
http://frankwarner.typepa.....ption.html
I am watching Fox news now. The panel discussed public choice and said public option is dead. Great !!! Said tort reform necessary which I whole heartily agree. I am especially for limits on lawsuits and re-write ability to sue. Add limited reduction of health bills through bankruptcy.
They added, co-op’s is a unknown option. My view, a tactic to thievery. Who could not see Acorn’s involvement ??? I certainly can just as it is now in this health care bill. Majority of Congress and President, for sure, are corrupt.
Restrictions now imposed on health care must be voided. They must be allowed to cross State lines.
The biggest argument I hear out of obama’s dirty mouth is public option keeps private insurers prices low. Wrong douche bad. Open & fair competition does that. Obama made mistake of recently telling the truth. He marveled how Fed Ex and the other company make profits and does well, while public post office runs a deficit. Government social security and medicaid are deep in debt.
On social security website they show all health care company options for me in my area. Same can apply here. Need no exchange.
One of the biggest no-no’s in obamaliar’s bill is free insurance for illegal’s. Let them get bandages at hospital but no heart operations. Go home for that.
60,000 have left AARP. Better distance yourself more away from obama…
“Dem Rep Eric Massa: I Will Vote Adamantly Against the Interests of My District”
August 17, 2009
http://www.moonbattery.co.....ic_ma.html
“Analysis: Liberals tired of health care compromise”
By CHARLES BABINGTON and RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press Writers Charles Babington And Ricardo Alonso-zaldivar, Associated Press Writers – 4 mins ago
“WASHINGTON – Frustrated liberals have a question for President Barack Obama and Democratic lawmakers: Isn’t it time the other guys gave a little ground on health care? What’s the point of a bipartisan bill, they ask, if we’re making all the concessions?”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/a.....l_analysis
I can answer very easily. I throw garbage out. Liberals eat it up… Your mistake was letting us read this bill.
“A liberal mind is a mind that is able to imagine itself believing anything”
Max Eastman
“I used to believe that anything was better than nothing. Now I know that sometimes nothing is better.”
Glenda Jackson
“Prudence and compromise are necessary means, but every man should have an impudent end which he will not compromise.”
Charles Horton Cooley
“A truth that disheartens because it is true is of more value than the most stimulating of falsehoods.”
Maurice Maeterlinck
“Generic Congressional Ballot
Republicans Now Ahead By Five on Generic Ballot”
“Republican candidates have now matched their biggest lead over Democrats of the past several years on the Generic Congressional Ballot.”
“The level of support for Democratic candidates is unchanged this week, but backing for GOP candidates rose one point from a week ago. This is now the eighth straight week Republicans have led on the Generic Ballot”
“The president recently suggested that immigration reform might be on the legislative agenda for early 2010, but most voters don’t see passage of legislation as likely.”
http://www.rasmussenrepor.....nal_ballot
Very popular Bill Clinton meet his waterloo and ushered in Newt and Republican majority Congress.
Will obama see Sarah as his newt when Wateroo catches up with him.
First, let me start out by saying that this site is experiencing technical difficulties when I try and check it from work but I know it is working because I was able to get to the site from any other network other than my works?
Is this deliberate or is anyone else having this problem?
Secondly, From The New York Times:
“Top Democrats said Tuesday that their go-it-alone view was being shaped by what they saw as Republicans’ purposely strident tone against health care legislation during this month’s Congressional recess.”
“‘The Republican leadership,’ Mr. Emanuel said, ‘has made a strategic decision that defeating President Obama’s health care proposal is more important for their political goals than solving the health insurance problems that Americans face every day.’”
“Such a change could alter the dynamic of talks surrounding health care legislation, and even change the substance of a final bill.”
“The White House has also interpreted critical comments by Senator Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the top Republican negotiator in a crucial Finance Committee effort to reach a bipartisan compromise, as a sign that there is little hope of reaching a deal politically acceptable to both parties.”
“The officials said the White House hoped to make the case to the American people that it was Republicans who had abandoned the effort at bipartisanship. Republicans countered by saying that they simply opposed the legislation and that the public outcry had validated their view and solidified their opposition.”
Finally, From Politico’s Playbook:
“White House officials tell POLITICO that President Obama now realizes he probably will have to pass health reform with Democratic votes alone. The aides call it more a prediction than a strategy shift, and blame the GOP. ‘We were forced into this by Republicans,’ one official said. West Wing aides are rewriting their strategy in an effort to eke out the votes they need, perhaps the bare minimum.”
On bi-partistanship:
The President came out in his TOWN HALL MEETINGS CAMPAIGN MODE LOOKING FOR EMPATHY AND FOUND THE GUNS OF AUGUST.He states that his opposition to the Health Care Bill are using scare tactics on American public when in reality his opposition IS THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.But the President doesn’t do very well when it comes to people protesting his motives either in Iran or America he seems to ignore them.
Politically the right isn’t going to take a hit on the DEMOCRATS (HOUSE OR SENATE) BILL IF IT GETS PASSED OR IT DOESN’T.The American public is heavily against it so no the ONUS IS ON THE LEFT TO DEFEND IT.IF James Carvel AND THE DEMOCRATS PASS THE BILL CONTRARY TO PUBLIC OPINION IT WILL NOT ONLY HAVE TO WORK BUT AVOID RATIONING,DIGGING US FURTHER INTO DEBT AND ALL THE OTHER ITEMS BROUGHTUP AGAINST IT IN ORDER TO CLAIM SUCESS.We on the right laid out an extensive presentation against the Obama(or Congressional)Health Plan.Nate even listed numerous plans (with links)that are being proposed to TRULY REFORM HEALTH CARE. I DON’T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE NOTICED BUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY LAID BACK ON THIS (like the President did in Iran) SO THAT THE GRASSROOTS WERE THE ONES RUNNING THE REVOLUTION.
No the RIGHT is putting the LEFT IN A POSITION WHERE THEY MUST HAVE “COMPLETE” SUCCESS.The American public saw through President Obamas talking telepromtor with all his RHETORTIC,GLIB NONSENSE AND GENERALITIES.President Obama was GETTING OUT THE RUBBER GLOVE AND TELLING AMERICA TO BEND OVER.
It’s OBAMADOESN’TCARE” AMERICA IS AFRAID OF.
lol. DDM.
Please… the nation is devided. Half would have the “Obamacare” as you call it and the other half would not. In truth, I think this whole thing is one big political move by the RNC as a whole in an effort to get back support for the 2010 elections.
Personally, I am kind of done with the conversation as well. Nate, is a good example of someone who looks and wants one way with little or no concession for the other side which is indicative of the Republican party as a whole…Stubborn.
The US elected a majority of Dems into power, I see no reason why they don’t exercise that considering that we live in a democracy where the will of the majority speak.
It is a little too ironic that Republican Sen. Charles Grassley negotiated streak of concessions on the healthcare bill having wrung important concessions from Democrats, including an agreement not to tax employer-provided health insurance and a limit to demands on drug companies.
Then turn around and makes wild claims about the healthcare reform killing grandma.
Not to mention Senate’s second-ranking Republican, Jon Kyl of Arizona, was quoted saying even if Democrats manage to produce a health care bill that won’t increase the federal deficit over 10 years “that doesn’t mean Republicans would support it.”
NO this is a political ploy by the RNC after suffering such a staggering defeat last year. Plain and simple.
JD
if you read what has been said here, all would have government option in short time.
Republicans should not vote for bad bills.
Democrats and a few republicans signed a bill without reading. Go figure
JD…….STILL TRYING TO FIND THE CLEAN SIDE OF THAT TURD TO PICK IT UP FROM EH? You can laugh all you want but THE AIR OF CHANGE MUST BE GETTING A BIT MUSTY that you are concerned about REPUBLICANS GIVING COVER TO THE DEMOCRATS ON BI-PARTISTAN PASSING THIS TURD.
Americas mistrust of corporations and capitalism is supposed to be replaced by a BLIND TRUST OF THE INSTITUTION THEY TRUST LEAST……BIG GOVERNMENT? America sees through this EXPANSIVE AND EXPENSIVE PLAN and realizes THIS IS SIMPLY SPUR OF THE MOMENT IMPROVISATION AND EXPERIMENTATION ON THE PART OF THE ADMINISTRATION.
EVERY COLLECTIVIST REVOLUTION RIDES ON A TROJAN HORSE OF EMERGENCY BUT THIS LONG AND BLINDING ROAD IS RECKLESSNESS MASKED AS RIGHTOUSNESS ON THE PART OF THE LEFT!
DDM… how many times do I have to explain your Turd idea. The current health care system is the turd and the reformation movement is and effort to do something with that turd.
When was the last time that you messed with a turd and it didn’t get something dirty? Don’t be an idiot. It is a dirty job but someone has to do it because we can’t keep letting the turd stink up the house.
As for the reform, I have said it before… there are a few ways you can have reform but we must have reform.
I have grown sick and tired of people like you saying how bad the government is and then applying for medicare and medicade at age 65 or when you retire because no insurance company will pick you up for premiums less than a 900+ dollars a month.
I also recognize the joke of watching a 70 year old man during a town hall complain that he doesn’t want government to take over his healthcare and then when asked who provides his healthcare now; he says medicaid. lol.
I love listening to people like you who preach how much you hate what the “liberals” are doing, admit that the current system is broken, but hold on to the belief that we should do nothing about it.
the American Medical Association of doctors, the National Hospice and Palliative Care Organization, and AARP are among the many “DOCTOR” associations that have come out in favor of most of the reform options. DOCTORS for Christ sake.
Again, I really hope as apart of the bill that it allows all you idiots who don’t want government to get involved in your healthcare to opt out of the program and not have to pay anything toward it. However, you will be denied any claims and rights into Medicare and Medicaid. You will be forced to buy private insurance for the rest of your lives no matter if it bankrupts, denies coverage, or kills you.
I guarantee if a piece of paper is put in front of you that said that you had to decide on the spot which way we are going to you wouldn’t sign it because you know you are going to need the help as time goes by.
Even though it is EXACTLY what you wanted and you are preaching…no government.
This economic mess was caused by government not capitalism.. Bill clinton signed and funded a bill. Liberals wanted all to own their homes. Especially poor who had no down payment, good credit, or stable job.
Never fear, this ball busting stupity continues with government no down payment junk for new car ignorant car bash.
Government does not believe in learning from mistakes. Only in printing money.
AARP, you’re listening to lying Prez. JD, how dumb
JD……….The only house this turd is stinking up is the DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE HEADQUARTERS.Obviously you realize this because of the concern you show about the REPUBLICANS NOT PROVIDING COVER WITH A BI-PARTISTAN VOTE.
IT WOULD BE NICE IF YOU TOLD THE WHOLE STORY when you state who backs this turd.The President cut a deal with the AMA which promised them (just as he promised the drug companies) about adjusting payments over the next 10 years. Speaker Pelosi turns around and says THE HOUSE ISN’T GOING TO HONOR ANY DEALS THE WHITE HOUSE MADE(just as she shot down any hint of a public option being discarded).FAST FORWARD NOW……THE BILL GETS PASSED AND PRESIDENT OBAMAS BUTT IS COVERED AND HE SAYS “HEY IT’S OUT OF MY HANDS CONGRESS OVER RIDED ME”. ALSO HOW CONVEINENT OF YOU NOT to mention the NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF SURGEONS who put out a letter saying basiclly the same thing the auto companies and insurance companies said.PRESIDENT OBAMA IN HIS STATEMENT LIED ABOUT WHAT WE AGREED ON AND WHAT WAS SAID IN OUR MEETINGS.OH AND THE AARP……..LMAO! JUST WHERE DO YOU THINK ALL THESE SENIORS COMING OUT PROTESTING AT THE TOWN HALL MEETINGS ARE DISGRUNTLED MEMBERS OF?
As I said Nate gave numerous plans with links but THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE ISN’T GOING TO GET MONEY FROM THEM LIKE THEY DO WITH THE ABORTION CROWD,LAWYERS,UNIONS AND OTHERS THAT THEY PARASITE OFF SO WHY LISTEN TO THEM?
TSK,TSK. JD WHERE IS YOUR TOLERANCE FOR OTHERS THE LEFT IS SO FOND OF? If I expressed this SCHADENFREUDE about say Ted Kennedy you would have one of your poius hissy fits.But the LEFT ONLY BELIEVES IN TOLERANCE WHEN IT IS THE SAME BELIEFS THEY HAVE OR THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE DNC.WHEN IT COMES TO OPPOSING VIEWS THEN THEY BECOME TOTALITARIAN.
The SHIP OF STATE IS RUNNING AGROUND ON THE ROCKS OF REALITY because the Democrat Congress overpromised and will underdeliver on this.THE AMERICAN PEOPLE REALIZE those same wonderful folks who brought us the AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS NOW WANT TO BRING US AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE.And they are saying no to THE CUPIDITY AND STUPIDITY OF CONGRESS.
List all things that make obama a liar. show the things democrats denies exist in the bill itself. Show links to prove all the points.
Liberals don’t counter with facts supported with links. They pretend they do not see. You get hahaha. AARP is backing obama which it is not.
Yes, is waste of time to discuss. Better to find a rock and discuss health care with it…
At least polls show health care obamabullsxxx style is falling, falling, falling.
“The AARP hasn’t endorsed any plan yet.”
obamafulloflies caught again…
“We have the AARP on board because they know this is a good deal for our seniors,” the president said”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/.....oment.html
So far, 60,000 has left AARP for taliking with obamacrap. Many have insurance with AARP and must wait to change.
By the way, I paid into medicare,social security, and medicad. Illegals get it without paying into it in this five away care. Add unions get help too. But you feel I should lose it ??? Go take a flying obamaillegaldrughigh
Bigliarobama knows that courts have rules that if not specifically outlawed, it must be done. Example, Medicare had law passed that stopped abortion from being covered by medicare.
Guess what. Abortionelectedobama denies abortions can be paid for in health care plan. Is not outlawed in bill. Therefore plan will pay for abortion.
So many lies…
JD………I’ve tried to ignore your pissing and moaning about how this sites views are one sided and how you are “sick and tired of hearing” our Conservative opinions.Did you really expect us to change our views because you are tired of hearing them? Personally speaking I THINK YOU HAVE ME CONFUSED WITH SOMEONE WHO GIVES A SHIT what you are sick and tired of.I suggest you either deal with it like an adult or move on to the Daily Kos where you might feel more at home with your socialist sympathizers and you can aquire better talking points for your arguements.
So the bill will allow insurance to pay for abortions. Either that or we can go back to back alley coat hanger abortions, and then we can pay, with our tax dollars, for that coat hunger abortion woman when she goes to the local hospital for OB/GYN care. What’s cheaper?
Do the math. $350 is a lot cheaper than hospital care for a woman who just rip out a fetus with a coat hanger.
Oh, but we’re conservative, we don’t like abortion. Psssh, get over it.
Mr. Stupid said “So the bill will allow insurance to pay for abortions. Either that or we can go back to back alley coat hanger abortions”
Rent a brain. ‘back allet coat hanger’ refers to illegal abortion. GEEE. NOT DISCUSSING.
Point I made if you had any ability to understand is obamaliar said health plan would not pay for abortion. When Courts ruled it must be specifically said abortions is not paid for.
Tell you what, lets save a lot of money, lets kill all people over 65. All people with feloney records. All illegals. We can add to this list as we go. Great for envionment. You are in that group I hope.
Kendale,Kendale,Kendale……..And the left says WE TALK STRICTLY ON EMOTIONS WITHOUT THINKING!
ABORTION IS THE LAW OF THE LAND and as much as I would like to see it gone the Supreme Court says NO!. HOWEVER just because its the law of the land doesn’t mean it has to FUNDED BY NATIONAL HEALTH CARE.Over in England they have cosmetic surgery,wigs,breast reduction surgery,GENDER CHANGE,and even pay for people to visit a patient in a hospital COVERED UNDER THEIR PLAN. There is a story in the U.K. Mail that they ARE CURRENTLY PAYING FOR VIAGRA FOR A CONVICTED PAEDOPHILE (and it can’t be legally stopped).ALSO THEIR PLAN IS GOING BROKE DUE TO THESE AND OTHER MISMANAGEMENT.Abortion is a very controversal subject in America and as such the side who is against it for moral or religious reasons doesn’t believe they should pay through taxes for OTHERS TO HAVE IT PERFORMED.THERE ARE NO BACK ALLYS INVOLVED…….WE ARE SAYING YOU WANT IT DONE DO IT ON YOUR OWN DIME.YOU ARE THE ONE SPOUTING SCARE TACTICS NOW!!!
THIS LADY IS LOVED BY CONSERVATIVES AND ESPECIALLY LIBERALS. LIAR OBAMA HAS BEEN MY RECENT THEME. SHE HAS COME UP WITH SERIES ON THIS. EVERY LETTER IN HER ARTCLE IS GOLD, SO DID NOT DELETE THE VALUE. WILL CERTAINLY SHARE UP COMING ARTICLES FROM HER ON THIS. NO ” “, BUT ALL BELOW IS HER…
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August 19, 2009
Liberal Lies About National Health Care: First in a Series
by Ann Coulter
(1) National health care will punish the insurance companies.
You want to punish insurance companies? Make them compete.
As Adam Smith observed, whenever two businessmen meet, “the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.” That’s why we need a third, fourth and 45th competing insurance company that will undercut them by offering better service at a lower price.
Tiny little France and Germany have more competition among health insurers than the U.S. does right now. Amazingly, both of these socialist countries have less state regulation of health insurance than we do, and you can buy health insurance across regional lines — unlike in the U.S., where a federal law allows states to ban interstate commerce in health insurance.
U.S. health insurance companies are often imperious, unresponsive consumer hellholes because they’re a partial monopoly, protected from competition by government regulation. In some states, one big insurer will control 80 percent of the market. (Guess which party these big insurance companies favor? Big companies love big government.)
Liberals think they can improve the problem of a partial monopoly by turning it into a total monopoly. That’s what single-payer health care is: “Single payer” means “single provider.”
It’s the famous liberal two-step: First screw something up, then claim that it’s screwed up because there’s not enough government oversight (it’s the free market run wild!), and then step in and really screw it up in the name of “reform.”
You could fix 90 percent of the problems with health insurance by ending the federal law allowing states to ban health insurance sales across state lines. But when John McCain called for ending the ban during the 2008 presidential campaign, he was attacked by Joe Biden — another illustration of the ironclad Ann Coulter rule that the worst Republicans are still better than allegedly “conservative” Democrats.
(2) National health care will “increase competition and keep insurance companies honest” — as President Barack Obama has said.
Government-provided health care isn’t a competitor; it’s a monopoly product paid for by the taxpayer. Consumers may be able to “choose” whether they take the service — at least at first — but every single one of us will be forced to buy it, under penalty of prison for tax evasion. It’s like a new cable plan with a “yes” box, but no “no” box.
Obama himself compared national health care to the post office — immediately conjuring images of a highly efficient and consumer-friendly work force — which, like so many consumer-friendly shops, is closed by 2 p.m. on Saturdays, all Sundays and every conceivable holiday.
But what most people don’t know — including the president, apparently — with certain narrow exceptions, competing with the post office is prohibited by law.
Expect the same with national health care. Liberals won’t stop until they have total control. How else will they get you to pay for their sex-change operations?
(3) Insurance companies are denying legitimate claims because they are “villains.”
Obama denounced the insurance companies in last Sunday’s New York Times, saying: “A man lost his health coverage in the middle of chemotherapy because the insurance company discovered that he had gallstones, which he hadn’t known about when he applied for his policy. Because his treatment was delayed, he died.”
Well, yeah. That and the cancer.
Assuming this is true — which would distinguish it from every other story told by Democrats pushing national health care — in a free market, such an insurance company couldn’t stay in business. Other insurance companies would scream from the rooftops about their competitor’s shoddy business practices, and customers would leave in droves.
If only customers had a choice! But we don’t because of government regulation of health insurance.
Speaking of which, maybe if Mr. Gallstone’s insurance company weren’t required by law to cover early childhood development programs and sex-change operations, it wouldn’t be forced to cut corners in the few areas not regulated by the government, such as cancer treatments for patients with gallstones.
(4) National health care will give Americans “basic consumer protections that will finally hold insurance companies accountable” — as Barack Obama claimed in his op/ed in the Times.
You want to protect consumers? Do it the same way we protect consumers of dry cleaning, hamburgers and electricians: Give them the power to tell their insurance companies, “I’m taking my business elsewhere.”
(5) Government intervention is the only way to provide coverage for pre-existing conditions.
The only reason most “pre-existing” conditions aren’t already covered is because of government regulations that shrink the insurance market to a microscopic size, which leads to fewer options in health insurance and a lot more uninsured people than would exist in a free market.
The free market has produced a dizzying array of insurance products in areas other than health. (Ironically, array-associated dizziness is not covered by most health plans.) Even insurance companies have “reinsurance” policies to cover catastrophic events occurring on the properties they insure, such as nuclear accidents, earthquakes and Michael Moore dropping in for a visit and breaking the couch.
If we had a free market in health insurance, it would be inexpensive and easy to buy insurance for “pre-existing” conditions before they exist, for example, insurance on unborn — unconceived — children and health insurance even when you don’t have a job. The vast majority of “pre-existing” conditions that currently exist in a cramped, limited, heavily regulated insurance market would be “covered” conditions under a free market in health insurance.
I’ve hit my word limit on liberal lies about national health care without breaking a sweat. See this space next week for more lies in our continuing series.
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Thanks but I am fine right here and I am ok with nate being and running a 100% bias and close minded site. It is his web site. however, it isn’t going to stop me from calling it for what it is.
Hell, if it weren’t for me and a few others than I don’t think this website would get any traffic. lol. It is just ironic that during the election this site was driving traffic from all over the world to it and now it is nothing more than a meeting ground for fringe conservatives to claim America is collapsing and that life as we know it is going to end.
I have said before that conservative and liberal values can solve problems but doing nothing will not solve anything.
There is irony in a 65+ year old citizen claiming that the government is bad but, yet, their entire medical coverage comes from the government and their grounds for saying that it is bad is because they wish it covered more of their needs.
It just comes down to the fact that the conservatives have enjoyed 8 years of power and they want it back at any cost.
“Hell, if it weren’t for me and a few others than I don’t think this website would get any traffic. lol. It is just ironic that during the election this site was driving traffic from all over the world to it and now it is nothing more than a meeting ground for fringe conservatives to claim America is collapsing and that life as we know it is going to end.”
Have you checked traffic from the past. I have. Presidental election jumped interest. JD, get real. You have been asked, not so nicely, to go away if you can’t behave politely. You are not ‘’saving” this site. Slow-down is political seasonal thing.
” have said before that conservative and liberal values can solve problems but doing nothing will not solve anything”
Your own closed eyes don’t see suggestions made. A prime example I just posted on newest article. There are plenty more here. Another long one is at after newest article by me. May be last entry by me..
Not doing the plan now being considered is saving America. As polls and town hall meeting confirm.
“There is irony in a 65+ year old citizen claiming that the government is bad but, yet, their entire medical coverage comes from the government and their grounds for saying that it is bad is because they wish it covered more of their needs.”
What do you expect. He was forced to pay into social security, medicare, and medicad for maybe 40 years. Irony, no earned… Illegals are going to get it ”free” under obama. That’s one reason people are made as hell.
“It just comes down to the fact that the conservatives have enjoyed 8 years of power and they want it back at any cost.”
Believe what you want. I have rarely seen you see clearly.
Bill, I know what back alley’s are.
I also know there are people who will go to any length to rid themselves of a uterine parasite. Yes, we get those patients at my hospital as well. You see, I was speaking from experience and what I have seen.
Like I said, you don’t have to pay the $350 by law, but your tax dollars will take care of the losers/lunatics who get pregnant and go to any length to rid themselves of uterine parasites. The choice is yours.
DDM, This is not a scare tactic, just life man. You’re a smart guy, perhaps you don’t see the bottom feeders of society, but I live amongst them and work with them and take care of them, daily. You don’t have to be scared about anything, I thought I told you guys like a trillion f-ing times, “Fear not little sheep.” There is nothing to fear but fear itself man.
Like JD says, you’re so afraid of having universal care and yet you already pay for everyone who has no insurance, you already pay for the illegals, ect. No, they won’t get elective surgeries, but they will get emergency surgeries once what was once elective because an emergency. So one way or another, you will pay, but if it makes you feel better to not have a bill that says the government will use your tax dollars, and you want to unofficial have your tax dollars being used for health care, it’s cool with me. LoL
P.S. Psssh, I was not speaking from emotion at all. I have no clue as to how you came to that conclusion. I know about Roe v Wade. I also know that states have the ability to outlaw it regardless of the Supreme Court as it has became illegal then legal multiple times in Florida since I was born, so don’t attempt to “give me lessons.”
Without thinking? No. But you certainly see my stance from what I said, and that stance holds firm regardless of this weak chitter chatter you throw back at it.
Kendale you go on and on off subject. Was explained and you ignore. You pretend as if you made no mistate. Very sad.
A bad rendition of FDR quote. At least give him credit.
Your last paragraph confirms your baked brain. No number of facts. No number of obama’s lies, will penetrate that skull of yours. It must be required to be irrational to stay liberal.
Dunce. The conversation was never about abortion. It was about the funding…
Bill,
You act as if I am in my own world, when you yourself are truly in BillLand. You consistently revert to name calling as if it BEEFS up what you say to me when your name calling and your comments both contain no substance, simply opinion, battling against my beliefs, and I am the dunce? If you KNOW that your opinion has no effect on my beliefs, why bother? I mean you did admit it yourself, I’m a stone, and your water, you can not penetrate me, and yet you continue to try, “how sad.”
See it’s not sad for me, because with my beleifs, I have no downfalls due to them. My life is just fine over here in KendaleLand, I am very much content. It’s sad that you believe your opinion carries weight in the lives of others. I don’t have to be a member of BillLand to have a wonderful life. That is the beauty of life.
You can do Bill, I can do Kendale, we’ll both live life happy (well, I doubt you will), and it’s just that simple.
*wink*
Gooooo Pro-Choiceeeerss!
“But you certainly see my stance from what I said and that stance holds firm regardless……..” ….Kendale 20 August @ 3:41PM
If this rambling incoherant TWO post states that you aren’t going to change your mind no matter what I said then yes I see your stance.I was trying to prevent any skullduggery on your part by trying to misconstrue the concocted idea that we are going back to performing abortions in allies by not including it in the health care bill.I realize the ABORTION LOBBY is A VITAL PART OF FINANCING THE DEMOCRAT AXIS OF DRIVEL but this hoodwinking PARENTALISTIC NATIONALISM NEEDS TO STOP!