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http://www.whitehouse.gov.....ver-Beers/

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Why would any THINKING person trust them again. The new replacements coming as elections occur might be better time. Let this Congress stand adjourned until replaced.

Obama made mistake allowing people to read this bill. Gives him new name GRAFTGIVERANDRECEIVER

Obama did make mistake recently and spoke the truth. To paraphrase, Fed Ex and their competition are doing well. Government’s post office is still losing money.

Loosen restriction on health care by changing Tort laws. Allow them to cross State lines. Limit liability, which lowers Doctor and hospital malpractice cost. As well as helps drug companies. Eliminate repetitive test needed for lawsuit reasons.

These steps allow more competition and lowers cost for citizens.

Government staying out of health care is answer, not co-op nor government option. Not creating another $ trillions in debt replica of social security, medicare, medicad, and post office.

Let health care be another Fed Ex.. Health care now is tied down…We only have to look to Canada and England public health care.

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No matter what, regulation needs to be put in place and healthcare reform needs to happen.

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Not true. I oppose bad policy which is what Obama is proposing.

I disagree with Obama philosophically so it is hard to find common ground when I know, and history has proven, that he is wrong on many things.

I intelligently use history as my guide, you moronically use Obama as yours.

“Again, I hope they put a clause in the bill that will allow you to permanently opt out of any government care for the rest of your life. I guarantee you aren’t that dumb to sign it but it would be great to put that paper in front of you.”

Maybe the dumb one here is the one wanting the same people bankrupting social security, medicare, medicaid and other government programs to begin running a bankrupt health care system too. JD, check a mirror.

I see the things government fails at which is running giant social programs. You see the failure and want more of it which makes you either ignorant, incompetent, or both.

I want solutions, not nationalization. Nationalization is not a solution nor will it affect risings costs. The CBO says it will increase costs, but don’t let facts get in the way of your own stupidity.

Either way, JD, Obama dropped the public option today so America has won. Thankfully enough people with more brains that you’ll ever have spoke out against lunacy and government failure.

Someday when you grow up and realize the government (which doesn’t just include Obama) is not the solution to your problem, government is the problem, you will thank me personally and probably send me a nice greeting card.

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Nate – “Every time I think you might respond with substantive facts, I am pleasantly surprised to see that you did not.”

Just because you only see and read what you want doesn’t mean I haven’t supplied plenty of facts. Don’t forget, Nate, you are ANTI-OBAMA and not pro-solution. The difference is that when talking about a problem and a solution the first question you ask is if it was brought up by Obama or Democrat and if the answer is “Yes” than you answer is no.

Blah, Blah, blah… deny it if you want but just save your energy for your next anti-Obama topic. Wait when was the last time you posted something that you agree on that Obama has done? Oh… sorry, I forgot Obama doesn’t do anything right. You got me nate. Wow. you are good… way to prove your point that you are open minded.

It is called being closed minded but I respect you anyway. You are essentially the equivalent of the idiot who lives on the side of a volcano and has to wait until everything is broken and is crashing down on him before his eyes are opened to why everyone has evacuated and by that time it is too late.

Don’t get me wrong, I liked Kendale’s Idea of letting you opt out of the system and also declining you Medicare and Medicaid later because you chose not to be apart of the solution and when you complain, I will tell you to contact your private insurance company with your issues…Oh wait, you won’t have a private insurance company to go to.

In this way it would weed out all of you idiots who just don’t get it. See I do believe in free marketsurvival of the fittest.

Still, lets see what parts of the bill I specifically quoted or referenced to you because you apparently don’t know how to read…

From the Bill itself : The Administration shall be headed by a Health Choices Commissioner (in this division referred to as the ‘‘Commissioner’’) who shall be appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.

As stated in Section 123 establishes a Health Benefits Advisory Committee that makes recommendations on what types of health insurance coverage will be defined as basic, enhanced or premium.

To where the bill in section 122 stipulates that out-of-pocket spending ceiling to $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a family, indexed for inflation. It says nothing about rationing or limiting treatment.

So don’t give me you kindergarten crap that shockingly seems to always be coming from you… Just because you refuse to crack open the bill and read the sections I referenced for yourself doesn’t mean it wasn’t supplied to you or read by me.

Nate – “Did you know, and I’m sure you didn’t, that hospitals end up over-charging private insurance to make up for the payments they get jipped on from the government programs? The government has driven up the cost of the health care, it is the law of unintended consequences. Again though, you wouldn’t know because you don’t research.”

WHAT!??? hahahahahahaha!!!! Can’t stop laughing. Nate, you do realize that the government picks up the check on any unpaid bills from illegals, legals, insured, un-insured, medicare, medicaid that are left to the hospitals when they are unable to pay.

That is hysterical… Medicare and Medicade are causing the hospitals to charge more to the insurance companies…. I guess that explains the 60-75%+ off that insurance companies get. lol.

Again, I hope they put a clause in the bill that will allow you to permanently opt out of any government care for the rest of your life. I guarantee you aren’t that dumb to sign it but it would be great to put that paper in front of you.

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Americorps: Is this another Acorn ??? Ties to obama and wife ???
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“Obama’s Americorps scandal — and the First Lady’s meddling”
By Michelle Malkin • June 12, 2009 09:43 AM

“President Obama is hoping you won’t notice his abrupt change of inspectors general over at Americorps, the government-run, taxpayer-subsidized “community service” boondoggle (which Republicans helped expand as part of the $6 billion GIVE/SERVE Act in March despite its wasteful track record. Thanks, Republicans).”

“With intervention from Michelle Obama, the Americorps inspector general was given the boot and replaced — for doing his job too well, it seems, and uncovering squandering of funds by favored contributors, educational institutions, and left-wing groups.”

http://michellemalkin.com.....-meddling/
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, June 12, 2009
“CORRUPTION ERUPTION: THUG IN CHIEF FIRES AMERICORPS INSPECTOR GENERAL”

“Bottom line: The AmeriCorps IG accuses prominent Obama supporter of misusing AmeriCorps grant money. Prominent Obama supporter has to pay back more than $400,000 of that grant money. Obama fires AmeriCorps IG.”

“From what is shaping up to be the most corrupt administration in American history comes this Obombshell (Americorps – Obama’s civilian army, mandatory “volunteerism”)”:

http://atlasshrugs2000.ty.....neral.html

Obama has new title “shaping up to be the most corrupt administration in American history”. Add that to LIAR and Pay Off King.

John Gotti, ‘The Teflon Don’, was finally convicted and jailed in my home town, Springfield, Mo.. I look forward to seeing you here, Obama.

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Obma person said

” Public insurance option not essential”

Might

“accept nonprofit insurance cooperatives instead of a government-run public option in a health overhaul plan.”

This is hope. Only hope. Acceptability is in the details. But truely, ‘Hope is in the air’. Even if only soo slight…

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August 15, 2009
“Obama invokes grandmother’s death”
Liz Sidoti

http://www.realclearpolit.....death.html

“Sebelius: Public insurance option not essential”

“WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama’s health secretary is suggesting the White House is ready to accept nonprofit insurance cooperatives instead of a government-run public option in a health overhaul plan. A Republican senator says that is worth looking at.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a.....l1c3B1Ymw-

“Obama’s Healthcare Reform on Hold”

AP By Kent Garber Kent Garber – Tue Aug 11, 4:27 pm ET

Ending paragraph, a ‘Hail Mary’ possibility if fear of public outrage does not stop

“One option that’s still available is a procedural move known as reconciliation. Approved as part of the president’s budget last spring, it basically allows Democrats to pass healthcare reform with only 51 Senate votes, rather than the usual 60. If Democrats get desperate in late October, watch for them to use it.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/u.....formonhold

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” Toe the line ”

“Idiom Meaning – To faithfully conform to rules and regulations”

http://www.quotations.me......-idiom.htm

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Guess what party will receive help in future campaigns from abortion group, Acorn, and unions. We are seeing Acorn at town hall meeting with their Acorn shirts and riding in on buses. As well as unions. Democrats are stacking the deck for funding fuure elections, with tax dollars. Just as Obama stacked the crowd at his town meetings.

So goes Chicago political corruption. So goes Washington. So goes health care. So goes America down the drain.

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After I finished laughing, let me respond. Obamacare will most certainly not improve care or competition, as it seeks to stifle competition, not create it. Don’t be a tool of the administration. Again, not facts or figure to back it up, pathetic. Here’s a thought, read the bill(s)!

“Secondly, the issue isn’t what our current system is offering or working with which means much of the plan is already in place in the private market but it is completely unregulated and “free-market” competition is not there to make the changes needed.”

Again, laughter subsiding. The current market is most certainly not “unregulated” right now. Have you heard of Medicare and Medicaid? Did you know, and I’m sure you didn’t, that hospitals end up over-charging private insurance to make up for the payments they get jipped on from the government programs? The government has driven up the cost of the health care, it is the law of unintended consequences. Again though, you wouldn’t know because you don’t research.

We need market-based reform, keep the government out of it.

Here’s the real kicker, JD. You refuse to acknowledge anything on Bill’s lengthy list of provisions which are actually taken from the legislation. I call that check and mate my uninformed, propaganda eating friend.

You can’t respond to the text of the bill, which proves my point every single time. You repeat Obama’s empty rhetoric like, “we’re going to make it better,” then refuse to explain how nationalizing health care makes it better.

See Bill’s list here.

Every time I think you might respond with substantive facts, I am pleasantly surprised to see that you did not.

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Larry Kudlow: Obama’s Hoof-in-Mouth Disease
The president’s FedEx/UPS/Postal Service slip is just one of his many health-care gaffes

By Larry Kudlow 08.12.2009

Prez: “If you think about it, UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. It’s the post office that’s always having problems.”

http://www.noozhawk.com/l.....h_disease/

If private health care companies could cross State lines and freely compete…, but government regulation will not allow.

Prez mouth turning conservative. Maybe he will become a Republican. Another first for America….

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“Patterico, a lawyer and LA blogger smelled something fishy, found her on MySpace, saw that she was clearly not a doctor, and e-mailed her to ask her to make sure. She did e-mail back and admit to the lie. It seems she was also an Obama delegate (actually true), which she also told the Chronicle, but the reporter failed to mention that little fact about her.

So, here we have someone asking a question, giving favor in support of the health care bill, posing as a doctor to give more credibility to her support. When in reality she was an Obama delegate and NOT a doctor.

“After the plants at Obama’s townhalls, and now this, it’s beyond amusing and ironic that the Democrats accuse the Tea Parties of being “manufactured.”

“You guys are shameless.”

“Update II: Some commenters are saying that this woman is not an Obama delegate either. I have no way of verifying that. But I wanted to make clear that she may have lied about that as well.”

http://blogs.chron.com/te.....nhall.html

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August 13, 2009

by Allahpundit

“I’m surprised it took them this long. If it had been Palin and the right tossing rhetorical ”

http://hotair.com/archive.....nate-bill/

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“Death panels? What death panels? Oh, those death panels”

By Michelle Malkin • August 9, 2009

http://michellemalkin.com.....th-panels/
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“Palin Paints Picture of ‘Obama Death Panel’ Giving Thumbs Down to Trig”

August 07, 2009 9:30 PM

http://blogs.abcnews.com/.....-trig.html

Another coffen. Try the truth. Sarah lets the Sunshine in..

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Thursday, August 13, 2009

“Uncomfortable town hall meetings are just the tip of the iceberg for Pennsylvania Senator Arlen Specter. He now trails Republican Pat Toomey by double digits in his bid for reelection next year and is viewed unfavorably by a majority of the state’s voters.”

http://www.rasmussenrepor.....e_election

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I agree with you. Change is past due. How, is the issue. Glad we could agree. Whatever the side we represent, good folks are in each.

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Healthcare reform has been waiting for years to be done right and the good news is it is happening right now.

Now don’t go ruining this moment by posting anything more…let’s just be happy that for once you were able to add more validity to my argument.

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