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Given the current climate surrounding the health care debate and ever-increasing tensions, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the House Democratic Majority leader, Steny Hoyer, decided to temper the discussion by calling anyone who questions Obamacare “un-American” and then proceeding to lie about the plan.
From their joint USAToday Obamacare op-ed:
Americans have been waiting for nearly a century for quality, affordable health care.
Health coverage for all was on the national agenda as early as 1912, thanks to Teddy Roosevelt’s Bull Moose presidential run. Months after World War II came to an end in 1945, President Harry Truman called on Congress to guarantee all Americans the “right to adequate medical care and protection from the economic fears of sickness.” From President Lyndon Johnson to President Bill Clinton, to President
Obama’s winning campaign on the promise of reform, there hasn’t been a more debated domestic issue than the promise of affordable health care for all.
The first lie comes in the first sentence as America already has the highest quality health care on earth compared to any other system. Citizens from the world over come here, to America, for the highest quality of care. They are, however, correct in that progressives of all stripes have been trying to nationalize health care for decades.
We believe it is healthy for such a historic effort to be subject to so much scrutiny and debate. The failure of past attempts is a reminder that health insurance reform is a defining moment in our nation’s history — it is well worth the time it takes to get it right. We are confident that we will get this right.
Are they serious? To quote, “it is well worth the time it takes to get it right.” Then why, may I ask, are we trying to jam down a transformation of one-seventh of the US economy in a month’s time? That is too much, I can’t stand these people.
Already, three House committees have passed this critical legislation and over August, the two of us will work closely with those three committees to produce one strong piece of legislation that the House will approve in September.
In the meantime, as members of Congress spend time at home during August, they are talking with their constituents about reform. The dialogue between elected representatives and constituents is at the heart of our democracy and plays an integral role in assuring that the legislation we write reflects the genuine needs and concerns of the people we represent.
Again, if the “dialogue between elected representatives and constituents is at the heart of our democracy” then why don’t the Democrats want a true dialogue? Why can’t they defend this health care nationalization? Why are they afraid of taking questions? Why are they afraid of getting booed by the people who pay their salaries? Furthermore, the people have spoken. Every poll shows a majority not supporting a government health care takeover yet here we are.
See here, here, and here just to name a few on polls.
However, it is now evident that an ugly campaign is underway not merely to misrepresent the health insurance reform legislation, but to disrupt public meetings and prevent members of Congress and constituents from conducting a civil dialogue. These tactics have included hanging in effigy one Democratic member of Congress in Maryland and protesters holding a sign displaying a tombstone with the name of another congressman in Texas, where protesters also shouted “Just say no!” drowning out those who wanted to hold a substantive discussion.
They have picked a few incidents while ignoring dozens of others where constituents ask meaningful questions and got terrible, if any, answer to them. Furthermore, perhaps people would not be hanging their congressman in effigy if said congressman wasn’t lying through their teeth and willing to put his or her own family on the Obamacare plan. Don’t you get that?
See here, here, here, and here among dozens and dozens of examples where Democrats epically fail to answer questions.
Now comes the juicy part, where Hoyer and Pelosi attempt to layout the “facts” for us as they see them.
These disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views — but of the facts themselves. Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American. Drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades.
Health care is complex. It touches every American life. It drives our economy. People must be allowed to learn the facts.
The first fact is that health insurance reform will mean more patient choice. It will allow every American who likes his or her current plan to keep it. And it will free doctors and patients to make the health decisions that make the most sense, not the most profits for insurance companies.
Reform will mean stability and peace of mind for the middle class. Never again will medical bills drive Americans into bankruptcy; never again will Americans be in danger of losing coverage if they lose their jobs or if they become sick; never again will insurance companies be allowed to deny patients coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
The people attending the town hall meetings are the only ones actually wanting the facts to be heard. Every single congressman and congresswoman who gets behind a mic and ignores facts about government care-rationing and the loss of private insurance is the one drowning out the facts.
See here for the AARP Town Hall where the woman conducting the meeting literally walks out refusing to take questions after saying she wants to take questions.
The next fact is that “health insurance reform,” as it’s now being called, will not mean more patient choice when the company you work for drops private insurance and forces you onto the public health plan. Again, more lies from the Hoyer/Pelosi cabal. Furthermore, doctors will suffer as their payments from the government on Medicare are already 50% to 60% lower than what insurance pays, they will lose money and have to terminate staff to account for it. That will also mean less choice for patients.
See here, here, here, here and the mother of all lie-exposing articles, the Investors Business Daily article exposing the provision which essentially makes private insurance illegal over time, see that one here.
Reform will mean affordable coverage for all Americans. Our plan’s cost-lowering measures include a public health insurance option to bring competitive pressure to bear on rapidly consolidating private insurers, research on health outcomes to better inform the decisions of patients and doctors, and electronic medical records to help doctors save money by working together. For seniors, the plan closes the notorious Medicare Part D “doughnut hole” that denies drug coverage to those with between $2,700 and $6,100 per year in prescriptions.
Need I remind Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer than their own congressional budget office said this plan could increase costs, not lower them. When the government subsidizes high costs, that is not the same as lowering them. CC that memo to all Democrats in congress.
Again though, I don’t want to drown out facts. Private insurance cannot compete with a government plan which has no structure in which it needs to function. The government can drive anyone out of business because it does not have to be profitable, efficient or accountable to anyone.
Reform will also mean higher-quality care by promoting preventive care so health problems can be addressed before they become crises. This, too, will save money. We’ll be a much healthier country if all patients can receive regular checkups and tests, such as mammograms and diabetes exams, without paying a dime out-of-pocket.
Actually, the exact opposite is true. Again though, facts and such. The quality of care will be lowered for everyone in the name of “fairness” and mediocrity. It is such a bold-faced lie to say that Obamacare will increase the quality of care when in every other country which has a socialized health care system, the quality of care is far-below what we have in the United States.
How long do you think people will be waiting for these “free” tests and exams since they won’t pay “a dime out of pocket?” They will have already paid numerous dimes in new taxes so maybe she’s right, you’ll have less in your pocket to pay for them anyway. Plus, you’ll be waiting 6 months for basic tests, but hey, they’re “free” and if you develop cancer before you can get the test, you can have free pain pills to die peacefully in the arms of Obamacare.
Finally, Pelosi and Hoyer conclude their propaganda transmission to the Obamacare SEIU union thugs:
This month, despite the disruptions, members of Congress will listen to their constituents back home and explain reform legislation. We are confident that our principles of affordable, quality health care will stand up to any and all critics.
Now — with Americans strongly supporting health insurance reform, with Congress reaching consensus on a plan, and with a president who ran and won on this specific promise of change — America is closer than ever to this century-deferred goal.
This fall, at long last, we must reach it.
The first line could be re-worded to read: “This month, despite the questions from the people we represent and polls showing Americans don’t support what we’re doing, members of Congress will lie to their constituents back home and explain reform legislation.”
Again they’re using the concept that Americans support reform and equating that with Americans support Obamacare. Americans do support “reform” which leaves our high quality health care system in tact while providing a more accessible market of insurance and less government regulation. They do not, in fact, support government-run health care and government care-rationing as will happen should Obamacare be pushed on us.
Finally, please note the complete lack of facts in the Pelis/Hoyer op-ed. They made blanket statements and provided no proof, numbers, charts or anything to back it up. They essentially regurgitated the President’s talking points about “affordable, quality care for everyone” nonsense as empty words.
In closing, I’d like to leave everyone with this video which really explains what Obamacare is all about:
That’s right, President Obama will be gracious enough to provide you a pain pill to die peacefully if you no longer meet the quotas for who can receive expensive treatment under Obamacare. Sounds like affordable, quality and compassionate care to me.
Have a nice day.
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/
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Excellent, JD. You’ve posted a totally biased propaganda source direct from the White House which includes no facts or supporting evidence whatsoever. They have taught you well. That would have been like me pointing to a page setup by the Bush administration concerning the Iraq war, you would have laughed at me as I’m doing to you now.
On the contrary, I have produced dozens of links to stories examining facts and numbers surrounding health care which dispute President Obama’s empty claims.
Better luck next time. Maybe you should stop sucking at the teet of the Obama administration and think for yourself, a very out-of-the-box concept for you, I’m sure.
I can’t believe that is the response you gave, I just can’t believe it, it is too funny, I will be laughing about it for days.
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Here is my response to your complete lack of a coherent thought:
No sir, no. If you are content with more government failure, that is pathetic.
lol. wow nate…Settle down. You are getting angry like the Mob. *can’t stop laughing*
I didn’t say anything other than posting the link to the white house. Last time I checked most people like to hear things from the horse’s mouth and with that link they can.
That doesn’t mean they can’t decide on their own. In fact, according to you it should make your argument more clear for a lot of people.
Youdecidepolitics… remember? Did you think I posted the link for you? Still, I am sure that is the first time you have even looked into it.
Again, I think people should hear things from the source. For the good or the bad and for that reason a link to the white house is posted.
“Still, I am sure that is the first time you have even looked into it.”
Don’t insult me. I have heard everything the administration is saying along with their minions on the talk shows and in congress. There is nothing different on that web page, nothing. More empty statements and claims which are diametrically opposed to the actual content of the health care bills. I am not a moron like the people defending the bill with no facts or the members of congress who can’t answer questions or don’t know anything about the specific provisions in the bill.
I am well-informed on what they’re saying, which does not coincide with content of the bills they’re speaking of.
In case you haven’t noticed, Obama has had numerous live press conferences on network television along with months to sell this plan. If anybody doesn’t know what the administration’s position is at this point, they’ve been living under a rock.
The people attending these town halls and asking questions are more informed as well, they know what is in the bill unlike their representatives.
All that being said, the administration is failing to put forth a convincing argument or convincing facts which is why public opinion is against Obamacare.
There is only so much inefficient, unaccountable and failing government the American people are willing to pay for. This is one step too far, even for a lot of Democrats.
These lefty fascists like Pelosi would be really quite comical…if WE weren’t the ones they were planning to control-
Now the DNC is deploying union palookas while at the same time hypocritically dismissing Obamacare opponents as paid shills -even running TV ads to slander them- and delirious SanFranNan is seeing imaginary Swastikas.
This should make clear to anyone just what these power-drunk elitists think of your opinion.
Note that whenever Obama, Emanuel, or Gibbs are asked about why polls show SO many people oppose their misguided Cap-n-Trade and Obamacare proposals, they ALWAYS segue-right-into “we need to educate the public…”.
LOL- save your breath… Constitutionally-aware American patriots don’t take lectures from Marxists.
What Bill are you speaking of? To my knowledge there hasn’t been a bill that has come to the floor for vote consideration. Which means it is still fluid and ever changing.
Not to mention you keep talking like we are going to single payer 100% government run health care with is the usual RNC propaganda. The idea being pushed around is a Government run Health insurance agency and the conflict lays with the details of that.
the #1 benifit of a government insurance agency or a non-profit agency is that it does not effect the doctors and the so called “having to wait in lines” and “doctors won’t want to doctor” problem is addressed.
However, I understand that it will cause hard competition for the current “for-profit” insurance agencies. But be clear it will not effect the doctor patient relationship we currently have.
If you think Insurance companies right now don’t pick and choose your doctors and medications you can and can’t see then that just means you haven’t used your medical coverage. Give it time and sooner or later you are going to have some one in your family run into our current healthcare failure.
I mean, my dad had to pay thousands because the doctors didn’t go through the approved procedure when diagnosing his pancreatic cancer. Not to mention now he is a pre-existing condition and is paying 600 dollars a month for crappy insurance.
I repeat 600 dollars for him alone. That is the cost of a mortgage. Wake up… our current system is broken. Insurance makes money off of denying your claims not getting you the medicine. It is as simple as that.
JD……..”from the horses mouth”???…….Does that hold also for the White House site that gave a web site to snitch on anyone opposing the Presidents health care plan? Does that include the website AND LETTER on the White House web site to “Organize America” members to go out and campaign FOR THE PRESIDENTS HEALTH CARE PLAN? YOU FAILED TO LIST THESE FROM THE HORSES MOUTH STATEMENTS.Your cherry picking is amusing since “The Organizer In Chief” doesn’t like being organized against but just mouths platitudes about bringing us together.
OH yeah he organizes press conferences where he brings in supporters to throw him softball questions.
“What Bill are you speaking of? To my knowledge there hasn’t been a bill that has come to the floor for vote consideration.”
You make a point since there are multiple bills, making this discussion more agonizing. I am going off the initial plan offered by Democrats in the House which included a single payer system and funneled people off their private insurance onto a government plan, imposed taxes for no coverage, etc..
“If you think Insurance companies right now don’t pick and choose your doctors and medications you can and can’t see then that just means you haven’t used your medical coverage.”
So you think the federal government will do a better job? Honestly now, you waste your time with this argument since I can opt off my insurance and not pay fines, etc… That is dumb.
Humor me now though, you think the morons in congress who can’t even orchestrate cash for clunkers, social security, medicare and other bankrupt programs, you think they are the new experts in this field and need to make health care decisions? I’m waiting for the punch line…
That’s a losing argument, every single time.
Furthermore, I am in favor of reform in that the insurance market should be open up away from federal regulation. Charles Krauthammer has a good idea here as well:
http://www.jewishworldrev.....80709.php3
Every time you tell me the government, which already has half a dozen failing programs it can’t fix, is the key to health care, I laugh at you and so do other rational Americans because we know better.
“Not to mention you keep talking like we are going to single payer 100% government run health care with is the usual RNC propaganda.”
Yes, that is Obama’s ultimate plan and 100% correct, not propaganda. President Obama is on the record stating that he is a proponent of a single payer government system:
He said it, JD. He said it with his mouth in his own words at 1 minute into the video.
Please, don’t lie to me, it wastes my time. You have become a mega-shill for Obama trying to spin his words and cover it for him, he should be paying you.
“Give it time and sooner or later you are going to have some one in your family run into our current healthcare failure.”
I have family running into the crappy Medicare system right now, I’m familiar with how bad government-orchestrated health care plans are.
I am for reform where individual patients win, not insurance companies or the federal government.
To you, the solution is more government interference in the form of government health insurance. I can’t comprehend that line of thinking since government social programs are already failing as we discuss.
JD, whatever else you have, I’ve heard it, and it’s wrong I’m sure.
You need to learn that you cannot cover up the actual content of the legislation with links to Obama’s positions, you just can’t.
Here’s a useful site which I intend to make my home page and maybe Nate can incorporate into this sites home page.
http://www.obamacountdownwidget.com
Countdown to healthcare
http://www.myit-media.de/the_end.html
“It is a blessed thing that in every age someone has had the individuality enough and courage enough to stand by his own convictions”
Robert Green Ingersoll
My apologies.I neglected to give credit where credit is due. I got that “Obama Countdown Widget” from our newest member “Reaganite Republican” web page of the same name.Once again I apologize!………….DDM
I do not believe that the government would be better at organizing health care in American in contrast with private insurance companies.
Those who know health care are those who are health care. Physicians, Nurses, Hospitals, ect are the ones who understand health care. They are the ones who are educated and trained to perform this vital task.
I will agree with what Obama says needs to be done as far as:
Everyone should be able to receive the proper health care that they need.
People should NOT be denied coverage simply because they have a pre-existing conditions.
People should not be turned away from capable physicians and pushed into other “covered” physicians.
These are valid points and need to be addressed.
Private insurance can become very expensive as JD’s father knows first hand. There are private insurance companies that deny a patient coverage if they have pre-existing conditions. If they do not deny them, they quote them a cost that is not always affordable. Many private insurance companies only allow patients to see physicians within their network, which are not always the specialist that are needed by the patient. Many insurance companies railroad patients who need to see a specialist to the point that by the time a patient gets to the specialist, it is too late, they condition, such as cancer, has already metastasized.
I am not agreeing with the proposed bill as I have not read it completely. But valid points have been made by Obama on the current state of health care and how he wants to change it.
As JD has stated, the public option is just that, an option. If private insurance companies can not compete with a health care option that gives patients what they need, then by all means, put them out of business. I have heard all the arguments against this, so if you throw them at me again, I will not respond.
If you want private insurance to survive, then perhaps the target needs to be Private Insurance, not Politicians. Fight the private sector, force them into being ethical, make them take care of citizens the way they should be taken care of.
If you don’t. Obama will. And you will obviously not like the results. If this is the case, then why not fix health care yourself, if you can not, then blame yourself for what will happen when Obama does is dirty work.
As I have stated before, and others have as well, health care, the way it is now, is not working for everyone. Many people are very unhappy with it, and something will be done whether you like it or not. So if you have a beef with the proposed Bill, do something about it, other than cry about it, fix health care, bottom line.
Pin head, your eyes (and ears) are wide shut…”I have heard all the arguments against this, so if you throw them at me again, I will not respond.”
There are a lot of us idiots outthere that disagree with obama’s way. The ‘angry mob’ and polls speak loudly…
“32% Favor Single-Payer Health Care, 57% Oppose”
http://www.rasmussenrepor....._57_oppose
Kendale….According to the last paragraph in your 3:56 PM post you assume anyone who has a problem with the proposed bill should fix health care.There are approx. 325 million people in the United States and because 16 million don’t have health care(that 47 million figure is bogus due to eliminating illegal aleins and people who can afford it but don’t wish to purchase it) the other 309 million should revamp the system? You mention “many people aren’t very happy with it” well according to the current poll there are more people who ARE HAPPY WITH IT THAN WANT GOVERNMENT CONTROL.
YOU WANT TO FIX SOMETHING HOW ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY,MEDICARE AND MEDICAID FIRST.THE GOVERNMENT HAS CONTROL OVER THESE ALREADY AND IS SCREWING IT UP AT AN ENORMOUS PACE WITHOUT TACKLING NEW PROJECTS.
Since you know it all, you are ignoring things in plan that will cause failure of private plan. If you leave your job or your plan raises rates there it goes. Private plan must give back extra money not spent and above allowed profit level. No back up money in case of heavy expenses. These factors doom private insurers.
One thing that would cut cost is placing malpractice limitation. Doctors and others can not change obama’s mind. Under public plan I am sure it will pass. It cuts needed tests, not for patients well being, but for Doctors and hospitals lawsuite protection.
“I’m a self-proclaimed expert just like you. I just own the domain name”
Bon Hubbard
Clerical error, above quote was Ron Hubbard
Bill, so I’m a pinhead? Ok.
DDMao. I’ve heard the numbers. Polls say something sure, but you can not base the sucess of health care based on poll results. Polls do not speak for everyone, only those polled. I have never once been asked a question for a poll in my living life, so how can polls accurately tell us anything?
I am not comparing the efficiency of health care versus those who are against a proposed bill, what would be the point of that DD?
I have also not argued social security, medicare or medicaid, though I have given my opinion on this topics long ago on this site.
It looks to me that the two of you are responding quickly full of emotion and missing the point.
Bill, I have never claimed to know all or to be an expert on anything, you inserted that statement on your own. Honestly as I have been reading the comments over the past couple of days, and yours have mostly been insults and useless. Grow up. Are you going through your second childhood, or are you simply forgetting to take your medication? (Not meant to be an insult, simply an observation).
Favorite plow “It looks to me that the two of you are responding quickly full of emotion and missing the point”
Using facts to dispute is not ranting…Need I pull out definition again for you. No point missed here… You saying I am “full of emotion” attempt to take sights off target and play games are foiled.
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I said
“Since you know it all, you are ignoring things in plan that will cause failure of private plan”
Kindale replies
“Bill, I have never claimed to know all or to be an expert on anything, you inserted that statement on your own. ”
What Kendalie said original that I was refering to
” I have heard all the arguments against this, so if you throw them at me again, I will not respond.”
what a waste
“Obama braces for ‘vigorous’ town hall health talk”
By JENNIFER LOVEN, AP White House Correspondent Jennifer Loven, Ap White House Correspondent – 1 hr 44 mins ago
“Obama plans to pivot his message somewhat on Tuesday, addressing people who already have insurance through their employers and highlighting how his proposals would affect them. The White House is retooling its message amid polling that shows Americans — especially those who have coverage — are skeptical of Democratic proposals to expand to cover many of the 50 million or more uninsured.”
“Republicans say the heated debate is a sign of widespread public dissatisfaction with Obama’s ideas. But with some of the anxieties spilling into angry disruptions and even threats, Democrats have accused Republicans of orchestrating the events to sabotage legislation. In an article published Monday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer wrote: “Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American.”
NOW WE ARE “UNAMERICAN”
Obama said “the dynamic will change once the recess ends and the lawmakers — and the debate — return to Washington.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/a.....r_wh/obama
A so-so article. They did not mention Acorn and Unions being called into town meeting and resulting violents. Can’t mention everything in each article.
US ‘UNAMERICANS’ MUST KEEP ON FIGHTING. OR BE PAID retribution
OUR FUTURE ???
“Oregon State Health Plan Refuses Cancer Treatment…”
“But does approve assisted suicide drugs.”
http://www.abovetopsecret.....490181/pg1
Kendale………You say my comment about polls doesn’t hold water as polls are based on ONLY A SMALL AMOUNT of people.Well this has about as much validity as your comment in your 3:56 PM about “many people are very unhappy with it”.Unfortunatly your suggestion about us “fixing health care” is impossible.We can only stop legislation that we feel is harmful or taking us in the wrong direction. We have neither legislstive power nor outside interest such as unions which Congress has to pamper.AND WE ARE USING THAT POWER WITHIN OUR TOWN MEETINGS EXPRESSING OUR VIEWS.
“If private health care industries can not compete with a health care option what patients what they need then by all means put them out of business.”……..Kendale @3:56PM
This is all well and good if they are competing against another insurance company but the President ISN’T COMPETING WITH ANYONE.THE GOVERNMENT DOESN’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MAKING A PROFIT,PAYING TAXES NOR PAYING SALERIES……THEY GET THEIR MONEY FREE THROUGH OUR TAXES.An insurance company has expenses.Let me use the example if I was sueing the government they could drag it on and on because their funds aren’t limited and they have a large staff at their beck and call while mine are and I couldn’t go on forever. No the President doesn’t come out and say he wants to put insurance companies out of business but like many other things the left doesn’t look at the UNINTENDED CONSEQUNCES BUT JUST THE COSMETIC FEEL GOOD STATEMENTS.The President isn’t stupid he knows what the consequences are and he’s aiming to accomplish that and expand his program.
I’m not asking you to argue social security,medicare or medicaid but I’m simply saying the government screwed them up and people think the government can repair health care? They can’t even run Veterans hospitals no less national health care.
POLITICIANS are the ones proposing this health care plan and they are the ones who need to be fought. The insurance industry is one of the most regulated industries in America but in order to get POWER WASHINGTON AND THE DEMOCRAT PARTY make corporate America the boogyman just as they do with doctors(unnecesary tonsil operations?)the drug industry, banks and anything else they want control over.POWER IS THE NAME OF THE GAME AND IT’S ALL DONE BY THE DEMOCRAT PARTY USING CODE WORDS LIKE UNITY,FAIRNESS AND CALLING THE OPPOSITION NAZI’S AND RACIST.
Remember, according to Hillary Clinton, dissent against the administration used to be patriotic:
Now it means you’re a thug and un-American. How ironic.
see above comment, then this…
” Howard Dean Former Governor of Vermont and DNC Chairman”
August 10, 2009
“The Media’s Treatment of Palin’s Outrageous “Death Panel” Claims”
“Former Governor Sarah Palin made some preposterous claims over the weekend which attracted mainstream media attention. She made up the term “death panel” and claimed that part of the health care reform bill now working it’s way through Congress required that families with children with disabilities, or elderly people who are infirm, could be judged by one of these death panels, which could control their fate and decide if they would die. GOP leadership repeated this outrageous claim across the airwaves on the Sunday morning talk shows. The mainstream media gave this claim credibility simply by repeating it.”
Needless to say, the author,DNC chairman, disagrees with Sarah.
Look at what occurred in Oregon State Health Plan. I believe Sarah, sooner or later, will be proven right.
Example of changing shame__Bush was villianified for not doing enought for major toxic waste sites, yet silently Obama is doing less. Where are the Liberals ???
Sarah sees the future, tone is being set for it today. And already done in Oregon State heath plan …
http://www.huffingtonpost.....55878.html
THIS TAPE MAKES YOU LAUGH AND CRY AT THE SAME TIME
http://selfevidenttruths-.....where.html
CONGRESS HAS NO GUTS, flying by the seat of their paints ???
“Congressional jets may be scrapped”
Tags:John McCain, Department Of Defense, Claire McCaskill, John Murtha
http://www.politico.com/n.....z0NptHnqM0
JD said “What Bill are you speaking of? To my knowledge there hasn’t been a bill that has come to the floor for vote consideration. Which means it is still fluid and ever changing. ”
Maybe the 1,000 + page one floating around that Democrats and Republican Congressmen have been talking about on T.V. and Town Meetings. I think even Kendale posted stuff on it from friend that sent it to him. I know I have given links on stuff under consideration, Guess you missed all that.
Yes it is still fluid. Can be changed or better yet burned in obama’s fireplace so he can keep temperature real hot in his living quarters as he likes.
Maybe if you watch more Fox news you could keep up. Ratings are skyrocketing. Conservatives have been watching a long time. Now more moving to Fox news. Democrats and Independents viewers. Who knows, Liberals ??? They don’t see enough of all the news they want to see on other channels. Or the fair hearing on both sides. Fox is addictive. Truth prevails…
“Summarized 1000 pages to 10 Page of Healthcare bill”
http://www.lc.org/media/9.....view_obama
Nate, Just because a politition calls you un-patriotic or un-american… doesn’t mean that you are. You need to stop getting so offended.
Heck, I was told I was both those things when I openly spoke against going to war with Iraq and our consequent occupation. I know you hang onto everything Palosi, Obama, and the DNC say but try to take a step back and a deep breathe. You are Ok and you are American.
Finally to get to your terrifically and retardedly cut sound bite video you posted. It is well known that Obama is for a single pay health care system. Hell he even said it in his debates against Hillary when she was singing about SINGLE payer universal healthcare but he also said right after that because of the nature and history of United states healthcare industry “Single” Payer universal healthcare is not a practical option. That you can not eliminate health insurance industry but instead you have to compete with it.
Second part that your lack luster video covers is the statement of employer based health coverage. Which is something I am completely against and I am glad Obama is too.
This is a big deal because to lose your job or be unemployed for a period of time shouldn’t cause your health insurance premium to double the next day after you are layed off.
Americans should be able to purchase affordable health insurance outside of their employer for this reason alone. If anything Employers should be paying me more so they don’t have to pay for the insurance (which saves them money) and I can buy my own. However, our system is so broke that we literally are begging our companies to pick up some of the check because it is so expensive. So we first must get a plan out there that is affordable outside of employment.
But once again, Nate, your blindness to any real discussion has pointed out that “Universal” health coverage does not mean “single” payer health care but I know that is all you hear when the word “Universal” is used.
In the State of Maine where I live the health giant Well- point is taking the State to court to sue to guarentee profits , They told the State they wanted a 18% increas to personal Ins. holders to guarentee there profit margins,You listening Seneter Snow.
We need affordable Heaithcare for Me and my family! Please for the Love of God just get it Done Already!Do something for Families not Corporations just This once and you can go back to extorting us in all other sectors, Just let me and my family see a doctor, thanks