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It took many days before any real words of condemnation came from the President concerning the courageous actions of the Iranian freedom fighters (read protesters) who are demonstrating against their country’s fraudulent election.
MyWay reports:
WASHINGTON (AP) – Dramatically hardening the U.S. reaction to Iran’s disputed elections and bloody aftermath, President Barack Obama condemned the violence against protesters Tuesday and lent his strongest support yet to their accusations the hardline victory was a fraud.
Obama, who has been accused by some Republicans of being too timid in his response to events in Iran, declared himself “appalled and outraged” by the deaths and intimidation in Tehran’s streets – and scoffed at suggestions he was toughening his rhetoric in response to the criticism.
He suggested Iran’s leaders will face consequences if they continue “the threats, the beatings and imprisonments” against protesters. But he repeatedly declined to say what actions the U.S. might take, retaining – for now – the option of pursuing diplomatic engagement with Iran’s leaders over its suspected nuclear weapons program.
“We don’t know yet how this thing is going to play out,” the president said. “It is not too late for the Iranian government to recognize that there is a peaceful path that will lead to stability and legitimacy and prosperity for the Iranian people. We hope they take it.”
Obama borrowed language from struggles throughout history against oppressive governments to condemn the efforts by Iran’s rulers to crush dissent in the wake of June 12 presidential elections. Citing the searing video circulated worldwide of the apparent shooting death of Neda Agha Soltan, a 26-year-old young woman who bled to death in a Tehran street and now is a powerful symbol for the demonstrators, Obama said flatly that human rights violations were taking place.
“No iron fist is strong enough to shut off the world from bearing witness to peaceful protests of justice,” he said during a nearly hourlong White House news conference dominated by the unrest in Iran. “Those who stand up for justice are always on the right side of history.”
I applaud his language on this, I just wish he would have done so sooner in support of overthrowing this ruling, barbaric regime. Support from America is key in pushing this forward and exacting real change during this time of unrest.
America needs to stand for freedom and liberty in the world, we should not be timid about it. Many Iranians have probably looked next door to Iraq and have watched that country become a functioning democracy which, perhaps, has inspired some of this outrage. The Iraqi democracy may be a big part of pushing Democratic reform throughout the Middle East.
I only hope the people of Iran can push hard enough against the iron fist of tyranny.
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I think the US ought to be very careful with imposing any force in Iran. Unless the people of Iran ask for help for the US, I think the US ought to do what Obama says, and not impose. When the US tries to be a power force in other countries all the time, the response is usually a negative one.
Perhaps other countries need to jump in and help out sometimes.
Kendale
Force means many things. France against Iran’s actions before us is wrong of Obama.
I will never forget Reagan and his stand on Berlin Wall. A shinning light in diplomacy.
I wont argue about who is responding first, second or, third, but I hear you. Not quite something to be outraged over or sound any alarms. I’m sure Obama was not saying, Yay shot neda and yay riots are great before he gave you a public response.
Excuse me if I no longer respond to anything on this story, I think it’s silly. and by story I mean story on how fast or slow Obama gave a public response.
Here’s my take from BOTH SIDES AND ALL ITEMS TO CONSIDER.
First off this is no longer an Islamis Republic but a military dictatorship.How much do we really know about THE PARTY AND CANDIDATE WHO SUPPOSIDLY LOST THE ELECTION?Is he for democracy or would we be backing an opposition candidate AGAIN WHO LATER BECOMES ANOTHER TYRANT?(ie:The Shah before 1976)Are we basing our policy on simply having a fair vote or looking down the road? How does this affect Israel and peace in the Middle East?And lastly for years we have been telling the people in the Middle East about democracy and suggesting we will back you if you have a revolution…….Now they are!
The flip side of this is we have to be carefull on any support being used against us in Islamic extremist properganda as a West lead revolt.It is being compared to the Solidarity movement in Poland but in Poland we knew they were for democracy ….not here.The President is facing a huge decision in regard to it throwing his whole idea of WHO HE WILL BE NOGOTIATING WITH IN THE FUTURE.His comment “He’s glad to see Iran having a robust debate” shows his lack of foreign policy strengh.Much as LBJ was strong in domestic policy and weak in foreign policy the same holds true with President Obama.THIS IS YOUR PAY GRADE DEAL WITH IT!And deal with it as it is not as you want it to be.
DDMao
The other guy is not a great guy. Not even clear he is better choice. I do not consider those two leaders in my equation.
I focus on the people in the streets placing their lives in danger. I may be wrong but feel they want more freedom.
Moral support may be all he can give. Yes that may make terrorst mad. So what. When have we pleased them.
lol. I was thinking the same thing. I watched a clip of Hannity giving Obama grief for not responding like Reagan against Poland. Now Obama has and then they complain about it not being fast enough.
Reagan took time to formulate his response and so did obama because it is the right thing to do. Knee Jerk reactions are not what we should be doing.
It is hilarious watching conservatives compliment Obama. It is like good job but you suck. hahaha. Back handed compliments.
I would argue that the fact that Obama was elected into office actually helped motivate Iranians to stand up against their government and that they are more apt to work with him than, lets say, Bush. Because he is the savior of the world. lol. couldn’t resist.
Bill……….President Obama threw Israel to the wolves by being more concerned with Jews building houses in Israel than Muslims building bombs in Iran.Don’t expect OUR SUPREME LEADER to back the protesters with anything more than words.
See JD backhanded comments being addressed to others work both ways! LOL
jd
“It is hilarious watching conservatives compliment Obama. It is like good job but you suck. hahaha. Back handed compliments.”
It was not back handed but honest. I don’t suck up to all my Republican party beliefs. I differ with Nate and DDMao on Bush and other things.
“I would argue that the fact that Obama was elected into office actually helped motivate Iranians to stand up against their government and that they are more apt to work with him than, lets say, Bush. Because he is the savior of the world. lol. couldn’t resist”
I guess we are going to ignore Iraq ? Bush did not help their people ? Are we going back to saying American went to Iraq for oil again ? Surely that argument is dead. I guess U.N. inspectors being kicked out and given run around is meaningless hahaha. I wonder if you know Bush received a “peace” award for helping the poor in the world.
DDMao
I agree. I don’t believe we should intervene physically. I see another Bay of Pigs.
“I would argue that the fact that Obama was elected into office actually helped motivate Iranians to stand up against their government”
Really, was it when Obama pledged to meet with Ahmadinejad without conditions? Is that what motivated them? Was it Obama recognizing a leader who condones terrorism against Israel and the United States, is that what motivated them? I’m pretty sure that was the last thing anyone who stands for freedom in Iran wanted to hear.
Furthermore, had it not been for escalating violence from the regime, I doubt we would have heard much condemning at all. Obama took time because he was hoping to avoid giving a response at all.
Obama tried to vote “Present” on this topic, like he did for years as an Illinois State Senator on everything else controversial.
DDMao
I thought we were to give credit where credit was due. JD wishes to accuse me of things for doing that.
That does not give me incentive to give credit to Obama when I agree with him.
That seems sick to me, but JD knows what his actions will cause ? Right ?
JD said_“It is hilarious watching conservatives compliment Obama. It is like good job but you suck. hahaha. Back handed compliments.”
JD has ability to read MY MINE ? WHAT AN EXCEPTIONAL PERSON HE IS ? Do you know what I am thinkng now ?
JD is a cyn·ic
cyn·ic (snk)
n.
1. A person who believes all people are motivated by selfishness.
2. A person whose outlook is scornfully and often habitually negative.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cynic
JD has nothing to say so he’s playing head games!
DDMao
Head games is better than discusion. Especial when your postion is untenable. It gets worse for them as time goes by.
“Really, was it when Obama pledged to meet with Ahmadinejad without conditions? Is that what motivated them? Was it Obama recognizing a leader who condones terrorism against Israel and the United States, is that what motivated them? I’m pretty sure that was the last thing anyone who stands for freedom in Iran wanted to hear.” – Nate
I believe that Iran may see that Obama’s willingness to sit down with Ahmadinejad as, “Obama is going to talk with this insane man and perhaps work towards either changing things in Iran through Ahmadinejad, or find out there is no changing Ahmadinejad, and tossing him out through force.” I believe they see that Obama, instead of declaring war in a country because there is an insane leader, Obama will try other methods first, which shows he is not a power hungry world savior, delusion, nutcase.
The fact that Obama acknowledge Hamas tells us that Obama has them in mind as well as Ahmadinejad. Obama gave them an ultimatum, perhaps not outright, because when you do that, the person/group you are address gets offended and in turn does exactly what you want them NOT to do. I suppose any terrorist group is nearly child like in thinking otherwise why would they think it is ok to be a murderous dog. The ultimatum is likely, please stop being a murderous dog, or we can be friends AKA we will eliminate you after a while if you dont start rethinking what you are doing, you murderous dog.
Now this is just a hunch of mine, only time will tell, and being cynical as D.D.Mao has said of JD, will not get you anywhere. Let us have faith *wink* *wink*
“Furthermore, had it not been for escalating violence from the regime, I doubt we would have heard much condemning at all. Obama took time because he was hoping to avoid giving a response at all.
Obama tried to vote “Present” on this topic, like he did for years as an Illinois State Senator on everything else controversial.”
This is clearly an opinion which you have the right to own.
“Now this is just a hunch of mine, only time will tell, and being cynical as D.D.Mao has said of JD, will not get you anywhere. Let us have faith *wink* *wink”
That was me.
JD said_“It is hilarious watching conservatives compliment Obama. It is like good job but you suck. hahaha. Back handed compliments.”
I guess I should not say something nice about Obama. Or someone will “read my mind” ???
Bill,
Sorry, not sure why I’d want to give D.D.Mao credit for your good choice of words.
AHHHH come on Kendale I have a “GOOD CHOICE OF WORDS” at times!
lol. If there had been no violence than, you are right, there would be nothing to say because it would have been peaceful protest and what should Obama have said then?
Use your head Nate. Secondly, I think it is appropriate to take time and formulate a response. This is called thinking before speaking. Also, known as a good trait.
Yes, I think this sent a message to the Iranian people because when Obama talked to Ahmadinejad the Iranian people were listening and liked what they heard from our new president. You see, when we listen instead of imposing our will then people are free to make changes on their own.
A revolution is nothing if it is not made by the people.
I’m expecting an apology is forthcoming from President Obama!
JD
“lol. If there had been no violence than, you are right, there would be nothing to say because it would have been peaceful protest and what should Obama have said then?”
As you said in partial quote, “Use your head”.lol,lol..
Ronald Reagan spoke up and Berlin Wall fell. Would it have fallen with out him ? Who knows ! Might it had stopped violence with World attention focused ? Could be !
To answer your question, Obama should have stood for the peaceful protesters. As America has stood throughout history.
America now does not speak of China’s treatment to their people. His policy is appeasement especially to Country holding his debt. You may be comfortable with that. I am not. LOL.
“Yes, I think this sent a message to the Iranian people because when Obama talked to Ahmadinejad the Iranian people were listening and liked what they heard from our new president. You see, when we listen instead of imposing our will then people are free to make changes on their own”
Non-sugar coated news media reported they did not want Ahmadinejad even if he was going to meet with Obama. These news media pointed out how the people got news outside their Country and how they reported what was going on in their Country to outside world.
What the people heard about Obama was he bows to Middle East. He stands for Dictators and knocks Israel.
This protest is lead by women. They know the guy they voted for is little better than guy in office. For years they have seen Iraq where woman’s rights are better. In a closed society that they live in, is hard to know their true facts. I know I am not willing to put my life on the line on Obama’s promises. His Campaign promises broken proved he is not trust worthy. He now, is our President.
Wishy washy Obama is not what they are willing to die for. LOL.
“A revolution is nothing if it is not made by the people”
That sir, is correct. You are right. Please don’t think…
“It is hilarious watching conservatives compliment Obama. It is like good job but you suck. hahaha. Back handed compliments.” Placing your name in place of Obama. LOL…
Bill… you crack me up! Thanks for that.
JD
Just a reality check to your life. Many laugh when faced with truth that they wish not to admit to.
Mechanism that protects the body from harm.
JD
When your body recovers, maybe it would be good therapy to face my points and respond.
That is purpose of site. I assume you knew. Daidid Letterman is a joke that cmes on later on T.V.
Here’s a website that answeres my question on what do we know of the supposed loser of the election Mr. Mousavi.It can be found at:
http://www.blogs.cqpoliti.....anian.html
That didn’t work.Lets try that again!
http://www.blogs.cqpoliti.....anian.html
DDMao
Tired but did not work for me. I understand the replacent guy is not/little better.
I have to believe up-rising is more.
Since it seems lead by women, they want more freedom. Like Iraq
I don’t know why this issue seems to clear cut to everyone but me, I’m not sure what people feel Obama has failed to do or why. It seems like a perilous situation to intervene in, and I’m not certain what right intervention would be. Obviously I would like to see the protesters win this battle, but since both sides seem suspicious of America, and particularly of our intervention in Iranian politics, I don’t know how we could help.
Obama condemned the violence just as soon as things got serious. Through most of these protests, things have been relatively bloodless considering the fact that it’s taking place under a brutally oppressive government. I never would have thought such a peaceful protest could take place in Iran for so long.
Yes, people were killed before Obama spoke out, but you could count the dead on your hands. For Iran, the government was showing downright restraint.
Things have gotten much worse in the last day or so, more as I would have expected them to be to begin with. I’m glad Obama waited until the Iranian government showed it’s true brutal colors again before he spoke out against the brutality.
bones
If you take away our comedians JD and our answers to his David Letterman sick humor, you will find responses to your concerns as seen by responders.
“I don’t know why this issue seems to clear cut to everyone but me, I’m not sure what people feel Obama has failed to do or why. It seems like a perilous situation to intervene in, and I’m not certain what right intervention would be. Obviously I would like to see the protesters win this battle, but since both sides seem suspicious of America, and particularly of our intervention in Iranian politics, I don’t know how we could help”
I said “I will never forget Reagan and his stand on Berlin Wall. A shinning light in diplomacy. ”
Well, not a lot on subject after that. Our discussion got derailed by a funny man. Sometimes it is insults. Or blank statements.
Some here want to discuss. Others can’t and want to disrupt.
A discussion of your thoughtful comment could have occurred. It is doubt of your next comment being thoughtful, that stopped future response.
I’m certainly willing to talk with you Bill, if you’re willing not to make it personal. I don’t appreciate being accused of duplicity or blamed for things other people have said. I’m not one to hold grudges though
You and I both know connecting you to Path did not begin with me. At least I remember. You and Path have similar writing style.. You wrote something recently which was polite and I answered polite.. Previous to today, you went off the wall with accusation for which DDMao stated guy was found innocent of. I wrote of your lack of evidence, reasons, etc.. That you gave blank statement. Not even mentioning the curcumstances.
Nate owns and runs this site, not me.
That is my position for my actions. I doubt you can change my mind that you and Path are not one, but that is not really important.
If you act like JD has on this article, you can see how I will react to you.
If you are respectful and here to discuss, I will treat you the same way. Just give reasons, links, etc. to back your belief. Treason is harsh term without evidence. Especially when some on this site like that guy. Whatever you believe is of course welcome. You make it personal without facts. I call it blank statement.
As I just explained, I return fire not begin. You knew of connection of you and Path for some time was felt by at least me and maybe someone else. I do not speak for him.
Following these simple suggestions folks can discuss the articles instead of being detoured by non-political arguments.
That is my position…
Obama combines infantile leftism and adolescent grandiosity in roughly equal measures. Perhaps most depressing to me is the manifestation of his adolescent grandiosity in his stewardship of foreign policy and national security. He doesnt understand that the govt of Iran is intent on acquiring nuclear weapons it can put to evil purposes. He thinks he cam sweet-talk them out of achieving this objective. He doesnt understand that the government of Iran is a tyranny that oppresses the Iranians. He thus addresses the mad mullahs as though they represent the people of Iran. The mullahs who rule Iran with an iron fist hate Obama in part because he represents America and Americans. They dont hate us because President Bush didnt talk nice to them. Make no mistake, the mullahs love the weakness and stupidity that Obama transmits at ear-shattering levels. They rebuff his advances because they know he will only treat their rebuffs as reasons to pursue them with renewed ardor. Obama believes his cluelessness representr a higher wisdom.
SpeakTruth2Power ,
As Bill would say, that is a blanket statement. You have shown no prove of your accusations. Although you are entitled to your opinion, plus show it by stating that your comment is simply your opinion and that you have no proof of it.
Kendale Sturdivent
If you go back to my comment about “blank statement”, this does not fit. To be blank statement you just say something like “. Perhaps most depressing to me is the manifestation of his adolescent grandiosity in his stewardship of foreign policy and national security.”
Had he stopped there as bones called a person treasonous with no reasons, facts, etc, you would be correct, it would be a blank statement However, SpeakTruth2Power gave his reasons for his beliefs_
“1. He doesn’t understand that the govt of Iran is intent on acquiring nuclear weapons it can put to evil purposes.
2. He thinks he cam sweet-talk them out of achieving this objective. He doesnt understand that the government of Iran is a tyranny that oppresses the Iranians. He thus addresses the mad mullahs as though they represent the people of Iran.
3.The mullahs who rule Iran with an iron fist hate Obama in part because he represents America and Americans.
4.They dont hate us because President Bush didnt talk nice to them.
5.Make no mistake, the mullahs love the weakness and stupidity that Obama transmits at ear-shattering levels.
6.They rebuff his advances because they know he will only treat their rebuffs as reasons to pursue them with renewed ardor. Obama believes his cluelessness representr a higher wisdom.”
SpeakTruth2Power comment was well written and thought out. Each point is reasonable. I agree with what he wrote.
Kendale
“, plus show it by stating that your comment is simply your opinion and that you have no proof of it.”
Kendale, Why would you say something like that ???
That is not required of anybody. Obviously he is expressing his ideas as we all do. He gave his reasons. Sometimes we provide links as back=up. After all, links do not “prove” our assertions.
SpeakTruth2Power is a asset to this site. I hope to read many of his thoughts here.
Reasonable is not fact. Apparently if the site agrees with what someone says, that makes it reasonable.
He can not pretend to know what is on the mind of anyone else. Unless the people he speak of testify that belief which “speak” has, than it is simply an accusation, by no means fact.
Kendale
You need to cross your “t’s” and dot your “i’s”.
You want to make it a party discrimination ? If you can’t take bones original “treasonous” comment and compare to SpeakTruth2Power comment and see that one is blank statement and the other is not, well you have problem.
Re-read…
“Had he stopped there as bones called a person treasonous with no reasons, facts, etc, you would be correct, it would be a blank statement However, SpeakTruth2Power gave his reasons for his beliefs”
Your response is unfounded and suspicious of your motive.You re-word.
“Reasonable is not fact. Apparently if the site agrees with what someone says, that makes it reasonable”
Bow you orbit earth
“He can not pretend to know what is on the mind of anyone else. Unless the people he speak of testify that belief which “speak” has, than it is simply an accusation, by no means fact.”
He can give his reasons for his beliefs. Just as you do. If you disagree take his points and give your thoughts.
I will be happy to respond. I personally think you are so far off base. I question your reasons for such strong….
Kendale
Here are bones remarks and mine. Should add focus
……….
bones Jun 22nd, 2009 at 12:26 pm
“Karl Rove is a treasonous dog. He abused his power to betray our nation’s security and put American lives in danger for his petty vengeance.
……….
Bill Hedges Jun 23rd, 2009 at 5:12 am
“bones”
bones said “Karl Rove is a treasonous dog. He abused his power to betray our nation’s security and put American lives in danger for his petty vengeance.”
I said “I call this a blank statement. You give no evidence or reason to support your claim. Just accusations.”
I said “It is sad this site has come to personal insults and blank statements. This makes for no discussion in my book.”
“Appears Liberals here do not want to talk issues. Not that I can blame them”
……….
bones accusation was “treasonous”.
TREASON – This word imports a betraying, treachery, or breach of allegiance.
“The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.”
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t103.htm
According to DDMao Karl Rowe was cleared.
If I say Obama has commited treason I would give some heavy duty facts. That is a dealth charge.
……….
SpeakTruth2Power gave his opinion with his reasons. Well done I will add.
I noticed I did not fully quote bones. In fairness here it is
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bones Jun 22nd, 2009 at 12:26 pm
“Karl Rove is a treasonous dog. He abused his power to betray our nation’s security and put American lives in danger for his petty vengeance. I don’t understand how you can quote him and still rail against Chris Dodd or any other corrupt self-serving politician that dances on the national stage. If we’re not going to put him in prison, he ought to have the decency to vanish into obscurity”
Obviouly he was not found guilty. He is free man. Why he needs to vanish maybe can be expained.
Treason in my estimation is worse offense a person can be assused of and can be put to dealth. What Frank and others are accused of is much less and not punishable with dealth..
Kendale
Why are you not welcoming SpeakTruth2Power views ?
……….
“Kendale Sturdivent Jun 23rd, 2009 at 11:37 pm
D.D.Mao ”
“You are not threatening by any definition. I welcome differing views, I do not shy away from them, obviously.”
Bill, you must be a bitter attention-starved man. I stop responding to you so you decide to start mischaracterizing and outright lying about me. Bravo, I’ll respond to you once more, briefly.
Bill Hedges Jun 26th, 2009 at 6:41 am
‘bones called a person treasonous with no reasons, facts, etc’
I provided sources from Reuters, a well-recognized news source, after you asked for them; so this is just a flat out lie you’ve chosen to spread. It isn’t the first time you’ve told one about me, and I sincerely doubt it will be the last. But it’s the last I’ll bother defending myself from.
Now get your attention from somewhere else. For simplicity sake, you ought to direct your future responses to Path. If you’re lucky maybe he’ll respond to you. Personally, I’m quite done with your petty belligerence.
I presented evidence. You do not.
Bill Hedges Jun 26th, 2009 at 6:41 am
‘bones called a person treasonous with no reasons, facts, etc’
“I provided sources from Reuters, a well-recognized news source, after you asked for them; so this is just a flat out lie you’ve chosen to spread”
Show your Reuters proof in same form as mine.
I hate to tell you, but you did not provide proof at time of your statement that I quoted. Therefor my statement was not a lie. I have not seen what you claimed (Reuters) article. Let’s see the time stamp and link.
Get in the real world. Valient effort to defend yourself, but full of holes.
My guess is, if you did provide link, that he was accused of doing something. That you jumped to conclusions of treason.
I can not find your Reuters article. Would really like to read it. I doubt you will provide. I don’r see it supporting your case. On the contary…
THIS IS TREASONIST ARTICLE EVIDENCE.
bones Jun 24th, 2009 at 3:22 am
“I’m honestly amazed that anyone doesn’t know what events would have led me to call Karl Rove a treasonous dog, willing to put American lives and weaken America’s national security for petty vengeance. I guess Fox news was never too interested in talking about our undercover national operative, Valerie Plame, or how Karl Rove leaked her identity – putting an international undercover government servant’s life at risk, and effectively destroying her current service and future career.”
“I thought it was covered ad nauseum in the media, but for the unaware there are certainly countless articles on the subject. Here’s one:”
http://www.reuters.com/ar.....SN12387618
Treasonist act__bones, you have a vivid imagination.
bones
In your link it says
“No one has been charged with blowing Plame’s cover, a potential felony, but Libby resigned as Cheney’s chief of staff after he was charged with lying to investigators”
WHO LIED ???
“Columnist who reported CIA leak testifies in trial”
Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:49am EST
By Andy Sullivan
WASHINGTON, Feb 12 (Reuters) – “The columnist who touched off a criminal investigation when he disclosed the identity of a CIA analyst testified on Monday that defendant Lewis “Scooter” Libby was not the one who blew her cover.”
“Novak said White House adviser Karl Rove confirmed Plame’s identity later. Both Novak and Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward, best known for his role uncovering the Watergate scandal that led to President Richard Nixon’s downfall, testified they learned about Plame from former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage.”
“Other reporters have said they learned about her from Karl Rove or former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer.”
“No one has been charged with blowing Plame’s cover, a potential felony, but Libby resigned as Cheney’s chief of staff after he was charged with lying to investigators.”
“Prosecutors have called government officials and reporters to testify that Libby knew about Plame up to a month before he says he did.”
“Woodward’s taped interview with Armitage was played in court and jurors heard him tell Woodward that Plame was married to Joseph Wilson, the former ambassador who accused the White House of inflating fears of Iraq’s nuclear ambitions before invading the country in 2003.”
“His wife is in the agency (CIA) and is a WMD (weapons of mass destruction) analyst. How about that?” Armitage said on the audiotape.”
“Armitage has expressed regret for revealing Plame’s identity, a move that compromised her career at the CIA. But his reputation as an Iraq war skeptic undercut accusations she was outed to punish her husband for speaking out against the war.”
http://www.reuters.com/ar.....SN12387618
WHERE IS kARL ROWE commiting TREASON HERE ??? I WAS LOOKING FOR YOUR HARD EVIDENTS !!
bones
Here are numerous comments of yours and your link..
bones said “how Karl Rove leaked her identity -”
HERE IS YOUR PROOF ??
Closest evidents is_
“Other reporters have said they learned about her from Karl Rove or former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer.”
“No one has been charged with blowing Plame’s cover, a potential felony, but Libby resigned as Cheney’s chief of staff after he was charged with lying to investigators.”
Try to do better. Don’t blame me for calling you out on unsubtanieated treason remarks. I was not the LIAR. bones?
JD….You state that it was Obama talking to the Iranian President which inspired the revolt.
Then how do you explain the major demonstrations in 1999 and 2003 in Iran well before there was any Obama on the scene.
Afterall “A revolution is nothing if not made by the people”????????
Bill,
Why are you asking me to compare people when all I did was state that speak made a comment based on his opinion. He said certain people feel a certain way without showing proof that those certain people stated that they felt that way. Bottum line
I care not about parties or anything else you mention. Don’t make it bigger than what it was man. I am not trying to say speakthetruth is an idiot, nor that he doesnt provide proof of other states, nothing, I said what I said, and it runs no deeper than that.
Relax
Kendale
Obviously speakthetruth is well educated and writes a excellent comment.
he may be well educated and write excellent comments, but the one we are discussing was certainly an opinion.
I don’t care if he is the must educated person on the planet. Hold everyone to the same standards Bill. Otherwise people may question your favoritism.
Kendale
I know it is speakthetruth opinion. And he gave reasons for his view. That is what this site is for.
bones calls Karl treasonist with nothing to back it. Treason is serious You think I will not call him on that you are wrong. His link had nothing to support his treason call.
If I say Obama is gay, I expect you to want some reasons for my saying that.
To try to compare bone’s statement to speakthetruth is absurd
Bill,
I did not compare anyone. Every time I say something about speakthetruth, you bring up bones. Why are “YOU” making comparisons when I spoke of only “ONE” person?
I don’t care what anyone else said, I was not commenting on anyone else’s statement. When I comment on something “YOU” said, I do not compare “YOU” to anyone. I speak to you.
Kendale
You actually brought up the comparision. I said bones’s statement was blank statement.
Shortly there after you called speakthetruth’s statement blanket state, adding “et”.
I point out how bone statement is blank statement and speakthetruth is not.
That is logical
Kendale Sturdivent Jun 26th, 2009 at 6:01 am
SpeakTruth2Power ,
“As Bill would say, that is a blanket statement. You have shown no prove of your accusations. Although you are entitled to your opinion, plus show it by stating that your comment is simply your opinion and that you have no proof of it.”
Kindale
It is very curious to me that you add “. Although you are entitled to your opinion, plus show it by stating that your comment is simply your opinion and that you have no proof of it.””
I don’t recall that being said to anyone else ??? Instead of giving your view on his poits, you go this route. Interesting !
Kendale
I may be wrong, but I don’t recall usng “blank stemement” here in a long time
Ok, bill.
Kendale
Glad you see the err in your ways
Chuck Norris on how Jimmy Carter is to blame for the way Iran is today. Also how President Obama will be the new person to blame for Iran.
He states that Obama is too soft of Iran.
My question is, if Obama is too soft “in your opinion” why don’t people give their “opion” on what exactly Obama should be doing. Because when you simply say he is too soft, it sounds to me like you think we need to start another war, now with Iran. Is that what is need to “fix Iran” Should we go in there and grab Ahmadinejad like we did Hussien? Would that make Iran a, ” Better place for you and for meeee” – Michael Jackson?
http://www.humanevents.co.....p?id=32599