My first Doctor explained his medicare patients was his good deed. His regular insured patients pays the bills. Doctors now limit their medicare insured patients. It was hard for me to find a Doctor to take me.

I agree with you, although you may not have said it exactly, that if all patients paid, through medicare, hospital would be in better shape. However, from proven examples like England, cost to government plan blows it into space. Then those horrible limitations happen, like no expensive drugs for cancer victims, etc.

Just as Obama made many promises during campaign and then did different once elected. I know he says things now that will change when plan gets into financial trouble. Just as in England and other Countries.

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They also dictate how long a person can be in a hospital for various conditions which usually dictates how long a patient really does stay before we send them home with home health care. At the moment, that system appears to work well.

If this is a predictor for the government health insurance plan, it is not so bad. Medicare is pretty good and it pays health care professional well, at least from what I see at work. Perhaps I will do the research to get the facts and detail about medicare. Maybe tonight, maybe Friday night.

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Mdicare pay is going to be cut to Doctors and his staff. Added services and related cost must be paid for. I expect a loss in my disability money. Luckily it will not affect me, but will for millions who did not plan for later life..

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Our health department has a free or near free clinics. They provides help with free milk for children, food stamps, medicare and medicaid sign-ups. Hopitals do much of the same thing. ” – Bill

That is excellent, my county has all of those same things. I too have donated time to free clinics. I too have been a patient in them numerous times when I had no health insurance.

The only problem is that there are so many uninsured people here in Pinellas County, Florida that the health department and the multiple free clinics we have become overwhelmed and the lines become longer and longer until you have to wait days to be seen.

We also have WIC, which provides mothers of young children with milk, juice, cereal, eggs and such. We have food stamps and the also have a program to give these mothers cash on the same foodstamp card so they can buy things other than food items. We have medicaid and medicare that help mothers and many other poor or disabled, but unfortunately those people under the age of 26 who do not have children do not qualify for any of these things.

That leaves a gap of 18 years of age to 26.

I am extremely grateful for all of those programs, but some of them I do not agree with. Many of the people who obtain these benefits do not need them, yet are pacified by them and remain lazy. These are our welfare babies. Granted, some of them do need them, but many do not. These are also the same people who are on public housing, so their rent is paid, their utilities are paid.

I see these people all the time being that when I walk out of my front door, they are a large percentage of the local population. These same people who are receiving these benefits also, go out to bars/clubs nightly, use and sell drugs, drive fancy cars, and always seem to have money for the latest trendy, expensive clothing and jewelry.

You can not imagine how angry it made me between the age of 20-26 to see this while I am in college, struggling my behind off, not being able to reap these benefits, and these lazy people are having the time of their life, from my tax dollars.

Sorry that I completely went off on a tangent, but I needed it.

Point is, there are lots of benefits for people out here, you’re right. Although many people are left out and can not receive these benfits because of technicalities. I understand these technicalities are in place so that we do not waste funds on those who do not need the benefits, but the f–king morons that are running the show seem to be giving the benefits to the WRONG PEOPLE.

Here a good place to audit. This is where bureaucracy is certainly failing and wasting our tax dollars.

I am not saying socialized medicine is the solutions to fixing health care, but the part of medical benefits we are referring to here needs to be fixed.

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I see your point on reform but lets not throw the baby out with the bath water and make the situation worse.Afterall
Health care might be a necessity but it isn’t a right! ” DD

You misunderstand me, I know the potential of socialized medicine, truly I do. As I’ve stated on another article, I understand that countries with government health insurance ultimately cut the pay of medical professionals, I know this because I work with many nurses and physicians, and other medical professionals from other countries who came here because of their pay in their home country, so again, I know this D.D.Mao. I know that when you chase health care professionals away be cutting their pay that the system will be overwhelmed with patients do to lack of staff, again, I know this.

What I propose is that the AMA, The American League of Nurses and other nursing associations fight this, which I plan to join up with, since I am a Registered Nurse.

Hear me, all of my colleagues are all for having insurance for all citizens, and we all will fight against destroying out pay. This is why we need to talk with our President and our Congress, try and come up with a way to get health insurance to those who need it while at the same time not destroying the health industry at the same time.

There are too many intelligent people in our country to allow ourselves to go under because of this, at least I’d like to think so. As soon as I have began participating as a nurse, representing nurses on the issues of health care reform, I will let you all know what I see and hear.

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In my city homeless kitchen have free medical care. Doctors and nurses donate their time. May be the supplies are donated as well.

Our health department has a free or near free clinics. They provides help with free milk for children, food stamps, medicare and medicaid sign-ups. Hopitals do much of the same thing.

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“but lets not throw the baby out with the bath water”.

I heard where that story may have come from. People in old wild west did not take many baths. Water was not changed between each member’s bath. By babies turn water was really dirty. I alway enjoy hearing that old saying.

Kendale

Glad you looked it up. Was wondering if Universities still had. They did at Columbia, Mo University 4 years ago. Sounds like you pay by term. Makes sense. As employee I used it. Had to wait in line. Got good care

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I see your point on reform but lets not throw the baby out with the bath water and make the situation worse.Afterall
Health care might be a necessity but it isn’t a right!

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I researched it and stand corrected. There is an affordable health insurance plan for students attending a community college.

http://www.studentinsuran.....cplans.php

It is just under $100 a month, but it looks like you have to pay for 3 months at a time, which is still not so bad. If you are a community college student, tuition is low, and if you are poor, pell grant will give you enough for tuition, books, and the insurance.

That is pretty cool. I did not read all the details of specific coverage.

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If there are colleges that give medical insurance they are not the major colleges of Florida. I can’t speak for other states. Saint Petersburg College is attempting to work out a medical insurance plan, but it is far to expensive. The only people who could afford it are those paying for it with student loans or students with wealthy parents.

Then again if the student is under 26 they can be on their parents medical insurance policy and would not need to buy into the colleges expensive plan.

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I see jobs such as food service industry job who either do not offer medical benefits or whose medical benefits are so sub par that they do not actually cover what is necessary.

I am not making a defense for anyones idea, just stating that I do not know who to believe on a number for the total Americans without health insurance and noticing a striking number of individuals that I see in my hospital coming in without it, and the many people I have worked with in jobs who do not offer it.

From what I see in Saint Petersburg, Florida. It is a REAL problem. Also getting medicaid/medicare has been very difficult for many people that I see in the hospital that need to go home with home health care after having substantial trauma injuries and those who have gotten infectious diseases that need long term home health care. These people end up not being able to go home, and thus have to remain in the hospital a great deal longer than what is expected if they had a way to pay for home health care.

I understand there is medicaid/medicare available, but for some reason social services in my county are having too hard of a job getting these benefits to patients who truly need them. Especially for trauma patients who end up loosing their job due to injury. (yes their are programs like FMLA, the family medical leave act, but that is only a temporary fix for keeping your job) Plus some of these people sustain injuries that leave them unable to preform their jobs any longer, or leave them in rehab for a great deal of time.

While the government is attempting to reform health care there are going to be many arguments back and forth, many which appear compelling, but the fact still stands, there is a REAL problem, and something must be done about it. I know my 1 hospital out of god knows how many all over the US is NOT the only ones who see the lack of coverage as a substantial issue.

And many of the things thrown out there do NOT make it ok. Because you are a young adult, you don’t need medical insurance? Because you are a college student you don’t need medical insurance. Because you are out of work because your job let you go and you are having trouble finding a new job, you don’t need health insurance, and the list goes on and on.

Health insurance is important enough to say that it is needed, for everyone, and at all times, because one never knows when there will be an incident where it is need: accident cases, and sudden onset of severe chronic illness.

I seen on that graft that many people are 300% above the poverty line which means that a single person living alone making $30K a year. Well, if that person is not receiving employee health insurance, that amount of money means nothing.

My rent and utilities alone cost me nearly 20K a year and that is not including food, a vehicle, or clothing. If that person is not receiving health care benefits from their employer, I do not see how they can afford to pay for health insurance. Then, god forbid they are a single parent who is receiving child support which is often not nearly enough to take care of that child. There are health insurance plans in states for children but to qualify for them you must be far bellow the (300% above poverty) line. Now this person earning $30K is in serious trouble.

Bottom line, health care is not working, we need a fix. I am not arguing for socialized medicine, I am just arguing that there are in fact people who NEED health insurance who can not receive it. I don’t care if its 50 million of 10 million, 10 million people without health insurance that need it is 10 million to many. I am not trying to be god, or anyone’s savior, but quality health care is a basic human necessity.

I understand when you say, just because people do not have health insurance, it does not mean people are not receiving health care. But without insurance many physicians, heck I don’t know of any who do, will not take you on as a patient. Then you are forced to find a way into a free clinic or the health department which are currently so overwhelmed in my county that it is extremely difficult to even been seen in them. This is not my idea of a problem solved, but simply a problem.

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Rep.Paul Ryan (R-Wisc)on President Obamas Health Care Plan can be found at:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15.....1162335160

Rep. Paul Ryan Health Care Plan can be found at:

http://www.house.gov/ryan/pca/index.htm

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It is the same rationale used for ending the DC voucher program. Liberals do not believe in lifting people up, they believe in tearing everyone down to the same “fair” level in life.

In which case, we all get worse education and worse health care in the name of fairness.

Everything is called a crisis if they can install new liberal government spending, programs and policies as a result of it.

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But hey OUR SUPREME LEADER says its a crisis and it needs to get done by October …….Hmmmm sounds very similiar to the stimulus crisis that needed to get passed WITHOUT CONGRESS READING IT and then sitting on his desk for three days!

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Plus, that isn’t 46 million who lack health care, there is a difference. I don’t have insurance, yet I have health care.

The real number is somewhere like 8 million who do not have health insurance for 12 months or longer.

http://smartgirlnation.co.....n-america/

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http://www.keithhennessey.....taxpayers/

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P.S. This is a neat little video, and there are many others.

Ron Paul Vs Ben Bernacke

http://www.youtube.com/wa.....cYWl47pFhI

Perhaps Ron Paul is someone that can help us with our economic crisis.

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When I worked at hospital, fellow employees choice not to be covered.

“How many US born citizens, who work full time, or work part time and are full time college students, who can not get insurance through their employer, and can not afford to buy their own insurance. I bet it would be shocking”

Well if that made good choices they could have coverage. Drive a old car instead of new, etc.. It may shock you how people spend their money and put coverage at bottom of priority.

“People without medical insurance causes problems for not only the uninsured person, but the people who flip the bill for their hospital stays”

Giving them free insurance when end up with higher bills.

“I believe you when you say many people who qualify for medicare do not sign up, but why, could it be that they don’t know this. There are also many people who need medicare but it takes them years to get it, through litigation. It’s sad to see someone who is physically or mentally not capable of employment and can not get medicaid.”

I said medicare. Medicaid is State and different requirement to get.

“What ever the case may be, I feel all US citizens should have health insurance and should be educated on how to be a healthy citizen”

Obama’s plan disagrees with you. By like 36 million.

“I’d like to see some of that war on terror money go on a war against obesity, and other preventable health issues. This is why I posted the link to the legislature on the tobacco issue.”

Why not dismantle our armed forces and use for health too. We don’t need that either. You must have missed terror attacks that was stopped under Bush.

“I understand that tobacco have the right to produce a product and make money on it, but if you look at it from a standpoint of our tax dollars paying for the side effects of smoking, we’re on a whole new ballpark, right”

Why don’t you look up how much in taxes come from cigs. I doubt there is anything more taxed than they are. If it is soo bad, outlaw it. I will go in woods and smoke a weed. I can make my own paper as well. There is a reason they don’t outlaw cigs. Big tax. They don’t legalize grass because it is a weed. I can find it in any woods in Missouri. As far as that goes, I can grow tobacco and make my own paper. Thus no taxes.

Saying how bad it is means little. Next chocolate, sugar, McDonalds, empty calories, fried food, etc.. Where does it end. Who decides. You.. Are you big brother…

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With all the opportunity that the US is supposed to have, we should not have people without insurance. I would love to see a poll like this:

How many US born citizens, who work full time, or work part time and are full time college students, who can not get insurance through their employer, and can not afford to buy their own insurance. I bet it would be shocking.

People without medical insurance causes problems for not only the uninsured person, but the people who flip the bill for their hospital stays.

I believe you when you say many people who qualify for medicare do not sign up, but why, could it be that they don’t know this. There are also many people who need medicare but it takes them years to get it, through litigation. It’s sad to see someone who is physically or mentally not capable of employment and can not get medicaid.

What ever the case may be, I feel all US citizens should have health insurance and should be educated on how to be a healthy citizen.

I believe that people should be able to make healthy visits to their physician for physicals and consultation. By consultation I mean simply sitting down the their Doc to analyze their habits that effect their help, and advice on how not to make a sick visit, including vaccinations.

Unhealthy people makes for nonproductive citizens that we in turn have to pay to take care of, instead of them being productive, taking care of themselves, and being stimulants for a healthy economy.

I’d like to see some of that war on terror money go on a war against obesity, and other preventable health issues. This is why I posted the link to the legislature on the tobacco issue.

I understand that tobacco have the right to produce a product and make money on it, but if you look at it from a standpoint of our tax dollars paying for the side effects of smoking, we’re on a whole new ballpark, right?

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