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I saw this story and it immediately reminded me of the Presidential campaign and something then-Senator Obama chastised Senator McCain for yet now, for perfectly predictable reasons, is himself considering. My how the tables turn.
The WaPo reports:
President Obama, in a pivot from some of his harshest campaign rhetoric, told Democratic senators yesterday that he is willing to consider taxing employer-sponsored health benefits to help pay for a broad expansion of coverage.
Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) said Obama expressed a willingness to consider changing the existing tax exclusion. The decision would probably anger liberal supporters such as labor unions, but such a tax change would raise enormous sums of money as Congress and the White House are struggling to find the estimated $1.2 trillion needed to pay for health-care reform over the next decade.
“Yeah, it’s something that he might consider,” Baucus told reporters after the meeting between Obama and Democratic lawmakers. “That was discussed. It’s on the table.” Obama had summoned about two dozen senators to the White House to keep up the pressure to enact a comprehensive health-care overhaul this year.
White House officials moved quickly to clarify that taxing the health insurance provided by businesses is not Obama’s first choice, but aides refused to rule out the possibility.
Funny, lets watch an ad from the campaign that Obama is now retro-actively running against himself about the audacity of McCain wanting to tax health care benefits “for the first time ever”:
The ad ends with “taxing health care, not fixing it.” Again, can the irony get any thicker? Do I need to even explore this aspect? President Obama is looking for every which way to create government-run health care by taxing you coming and going. This would be nationalizing health care, not fixing it.
The description from the YouTube page:
“Prescription” highlights how John McCain would tax health care benefits for the first time ever with a health care tax credit that goes straight to the insurance companies, not to the American people, leaving the middle class on their own. On the air…
So again, I’m guess that Obama’s unquestioning supporters will try to unconvincingly tell me that this is different because it’s coming from Obama and he knows how to do socialism right, unlike John McCain.
They will argue that the tax revenue under McCain would go to insurance companies while the tax revenue under Obama would go to pay for your health care under government control. Gee, what an option. A fine option unless you become expendable based on the cost-benefit analysis and they pull the plug on you. Health care will be great when the government decides how long you can live. I think we saw that before and it wasn’t too pleasant.
President Obama does not care how much wealth he thieves from the private economy, so long as you become dependent on him and the federal government for your well being and reason to live.
On another note, what happened to those making “under $250,000″ seeing no new taxes? This tax would obviously affect their health care benefits making yet another of his campaign statements a total lie. Then again, he’s already raised cigarette taxes which made the “under $250,000″ claim null and void, so why should we be shocked?
Nonetheless, chalk this one up to Obama’s backpedaling on his campaign rhetoric because his fluff doesn’t coincide with reality.
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Bush this and McCain that. Yes Obama believes in “change”. Changing his mind to match Bush and McCain.. Too bad Obama doesn’t “change” more of his ideas.
Nate you should write article on Obama getting smart and using all ideas Obama didn’t like but likes now from these two. If Obama took lessons learned from Ronald we would be in great shape. Another longest Bull Market in our history. I’ll take Reagan debt to Obama’s debt any day. Maybe then Obama’s statue can stand next to Ronny. And all American can honor those two__Am sure all liberals will back Obama in being for our Consevative ideas.
QUOTE OF THE DAY
CARACAS (Reuters) – “Venezuela’s President Hugo Chavez said on Tuesday that he and Cuban ally Fidel Castro risk being more conservative than U.S. President Barack Obama as Washington prepares to take control of General Motors Corp.”
Let me give another quote. Conservative will get the joke. Liberal, ah NO…
I could not find the quote. George Patton bragged about beating famous Nazi General Erwin Rommel in a battle, because George read book by that Nazi General. Maybe Obama read the Dictator’s book.
About the tax increase not for people under $250,000. Remember Obama enjoys word games. He was talking about income tax. New word game for the next tax increase for sure. Hitler used words to do what he did. You and me might call them lies. As this article implies (liberal term,just joking ??).
http://www.reuters.com/ar.....nnel=10441
Just because he “might consider it” doesn’t mean that he likes the idea of it.
What is that called when you have to give up something to get what you want… Oh Yeah, Compromise.
It will be interesting to see what congress comes up with.
It doesn’t matter if he likes it or not, he and Biden had a field day criticizing McCain for the very same action. They put out ads, mentioned it in speeches and on televised debates.
Yet, here we are. Just another example of campaign rhetoric which was all just crap. It’s becoming a weekly occurrence.
Not surprising to me since half of what he said was ridiculous when he said it on the campaign trail. I’m sure people like you are still in denial but will eventually be disappointed when you come to terms with it.
settle down nate.
All I am saying is that Obama said that he might consider it. He is asking for congress to come up with a series of solutions.
The statement is that he isn’t going to shoot down a good idea because he has a problem with taxing healthcare. nothing may come of this… as I said before we will have to wait and see what is presented.
JD
“wait and see ” Obama. Who says we will get to see what is “presented” ? Still wait to see if all Congress gets to read thoroughly before voting.
We have seen he is biggest debt President of all combined.
“The statement is that he isn’t going to shoot down a good idea because he has a problem with taxing healthcare. nothing may come of this”
You just pick a choice what you read in these comments. Otherwise a logical person would not make this statement. It may be your only way to respond. Bood luck…
JD
“All I am saying is that Obama said that he might consider it. He is asking for congress to come up with a series of solutions”
From a psychological viewpoint, It must be disheartening to see you President time after time reverse himself. As hard as you fought for him to see him accept concepts of Bush and McCain. What turmoil must be racing through your mind. Struggling to rationalize these inconsistencies.
When your brain becomes over taxed with trying to reject reality, You cry out “settle down nate”, hoping the conflicting facts will cease.
JD, simple accept your ideas of Obama are wrong. Accept him for what he is. Does you harm to have this ubfounded concept of him.
What was said about Obama 1 year 3 months ago still holds true. Just too good to cut
“Obama- The Black Jimmy Carter”
By Ramon_Lopez – Posted on February 19th, 2008
“Can anyone tell me why we should vote for Barack Obama? Honestly? This is a man who was senator for 107 weeks and then said “Hey! I think I can be president!” Really? I mean…really?? I know he’s “inspirational” and all, but…come on. Jimmy Carter was seen as inexperienced, but at least he was governor for a little while before he decided to try to be our commander-in-chief. This is someone who has little or no foreign policy experience while we are in a state of war, and who, like Jimmy Carter, does not understand how Washington works. The fact is that you can’t get things done unless you understand how this country works, and I think this was proven under the disastrous Carter years.”
“And his supporters don’t even know what he stands for. Its no wonder, considering the guy only speaks in platitudes and vague precepts. But Obama was rated as the number one most liberal senator based on his voting record in 2007. Obama wants to let the Bush tax cuts expire (effectively a tax increase) and increase the social security payroll tax, which would, combined, increase the average americans tax burden by over $1,000, amounting to the largest tax increase in america’s history. Ask any economist. Increasing taxes is EXACTLY what you do not want to do when entering economic instability, which we are in.”
“He talks about change a lot. But there are different types of change, good and bad. He represents the same kind of change that led us to the stagnation of the 70′s and that has led to the meager .5%-1.5% growth rate that has strangled Europe. Obama wants his voice to be heard, for his “new” and “fresh” ideas to be brought to Washington. But these ideas have already been tried in Paris and Berlin and Brussels. And it has led to near double-digit unemployment rates, low growth, and a socially dependent culture. We have one of the highest growth rates and one of the lowest unemployment rates in the industrialized world. And for good reason. So far, we haven’t given in to Obama’s “changes”.
http://www.progressiveu.o.....mmy-carter
“Public plan threatens bipartisan health deal”
By ERICA WERNER, Associated Press Writer Erica Werner, Associated Press Writer
“Obama released a letter Wednesday to two Senate Democrats saying he believed strongly in the need for a new public plan.”
“Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev.: “If he wants a bipartisan bill, he has to recognize that a government-run plan doesn’t get you to a bipartisan plan.” Ensign spoke in an interview following a Senate Finance Committee meeting on the legislation.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/a.....h_overhaul
I think taxing things like cigarettes to reform health care is a double whammy.
Make this that destroy your body extremely expensive while using the profits for health care is an excellent idea. Let’s start a list of unhealthy things we can tax to teach people to live healthy and discourage them from consuming and destroying their health.
1. Tobacco products.
2. Alcohol
3. Process foods
4. Concentrated sweet
5. High fructose corn syrup
6. Fast food
7. Air polluting emissions (Including Cows)
This should be fun, think about it, add to the list. Things we do not need that destroy our bodies and the environment we live in that we can tax and replace with health education. Perhaps we could even use the profits to make television commercials during popular programming teaching Americans health conscious ideas rather than the normal crap that pops up during commercials that we now eliminate watching by recording television and fast forward through the commercials or even download television with commercials edited out.
“LETS START A LIST OF THE UNHEALTHY THINGS WE CAN TAX TO TEACH PEOPLE TO LIVE HEALTHY AND DISCOURAGE THEM FROM COMSUMING AND DESTROYING THEIR HEALTH.”……Kendale
YOU POMPOUS LITTLE TWIT! Just what right do you or the government have to tell ANYONE HOW AND WHAT TO EAT? And then to equate it to how YOU CAN RAISE NEW TAXES WITH THIS BLATANT SHOW OF TOTALITARIANISM IS MINDBOGGLING.
Hopefully I’m misunderstanding this and it is all tongue in cheek by your “double whammy “remark.
I forgot, it’s your god given right to kill yourself and the planet. I suppose in the book of genesis God didn’t say take GOOD care of the land, just use it as you see fit. I suppose when he saw that he had given man every living thing on earth with the breathe of life and saw that it was good wished he would have say “You see that it is good, keep it that way.” lol
There are passages about government and taxes, I’ll have to dig them up for you. We are to respect the government.
Perhaps that’s in the dirty Qur’an or something.
Kendale Sturdivent
UNCLE SAM has treated me well. He gave me basic tools that gave me all the opportunity to succeed.
Now we have UNCLE FEEL GOOD. Those of you who do not provide for yourself wants me to give to you. You spend every red cent you earn, take from family and friends till they say no. Then want me to provide for you.
I planned my retirement as a young man. I got an education. I joined the army and became a nuclear power maintenance specialist (55G20). I choice job with good retirement. I paid into a 401, saved cash, did without luxury. I planned ahead.
Now I am to feel empathy for losers who did not. Kiss my fat a_ _.
You are going to judge my lifestyle while you cry for my money. Kiss my fat a_ _.
You are going to misquote the Bible and try to use Bible in your give me-give me government. Kiss my fat a_ _.
Lowering taxes is only way to increase revenues. Smaller government then gets us out of recession. Obams’s way will led to chaos, mega inflation, and economic ruin.
Newt and election of all those Republicans gave Bill Clinton balanced budget. Bill Clinton fought it 3-5 times with unbalanced budget proposal. Cutting taxes and smaller government was shoved down his throat. While I am add it I will add the reknown name of John F. Kennedy who cut taxes. So kiss my fat a _ _.
Obama is a Flim Flam Man_
“The Flim-Flam Man
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The Flim-Flam Man”
“Movie poster”
“Directed by Irvin Kershner”
“Produced by Lawrence Turman”
“Written by Guy Owen”
“William Rose”
“Starring George C. Scott”
“Sue Lyon”
“The Flim-Flam Man is a 1967 USA film starring George C. Scott, Michael Sarrazin and Sue Lyon, based on the novel The Ballad of the Flim-Flam Man by Guy Owen. The film boasts a cast of well-known character actors in supporting roles, including Jack Albertson, Slim Pickens, Strother Martin, Harry Morgan and Albert Salmi. The movie is also noted for its jovial musical score by composer Jerry Goldsmith. It was shot in the Lexington, Kentucky area.”
“The derivation of the term flim-flam man (con artist) is debated, but may come from the 1930s law firm of Flam & Flam, lawyers of less-than-sterling repute in the immigrant neighborhood of 165 East 121st St. in New York City”.
“Scott plays Mordecai C. Jones (self-styled “M.B.S., C.S., D.D. — Master of Back-Stabbing, Cork-Screwing and Dirty-Dealing!”), a drifting con artist who makes his living playing tricks on people in the South. One of his specialties is rigged punchboards. He befriends a young man named Curley (Michael Sarrazin), an AWOL veteran on the run from the United States Army, and the two become a team to make money and keep out of reach of the law.”
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You want Social health care. You have little idea what it will cost you, the benefits, or how easily benefits can be reduced. World history of social health plans is not good. Our government example of social program is deep in debt.
You ignore all this and still want it. Ir·re·spon·si·ble
I am levelheaded. I don’t.
levelheaded
Main Entry: lev·el·head·ed
Pronunciation: \?le-v?l-?he-d?d\
Function: adjective
Date: 1879
: having or showing sound judgment : sensible
— Lev·el·head·ed·ness noun
Ir·re·spon·si·ble
Pronunciation: \?ir-i-?spän(t)-s?-b?l\
Function: adjective
Date: 1648
: not responsible: as a: not answerable to higher authority b: said or done with no sense of responsibility c: lacking a sense of responsibility d: unable especially mentally or financially to bear responsibility
Government has taxed cigs unmercifully. Now you want to tell me what to eat. Kiss my fat a _ _.
Link
http://en.wikipedia.org/w.....m-Flam_Man
You’re hilarious. To bad that rather than disagree you choose to insult. You see, my opinion is my opinion, and has not much bearing on what shall come to pass. Your government will be the ones to take Obama’s idea and put it into action. So don’t be mad at me for my right to an opinion.
If my desires come into play, don’t be mad at me, be made at your elected officials. I don’t ask you to perform homosexual acts on me when your opinions differ from mine.
Philippians 4:6 “Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.”
Don’t be so anxious and hostile towards things that happen here on earth. If you are so conservative and Christian like then understand that our time here on earth is short.
Unfortunetly for you, facts was given. Of course you do not respond. You may have worries a boss will catch you goofing off on the job to answer my facts. Or cannot answer more likely.
Kendale……..Now I understand the NEW KENDALE.Throw an idea out there but don’t make them your own.Then when someone responds take the high road dismissing them with a wave of the hand(or LOL as someone else is fond of doing) spout some scriptures and being superior feel you won.
These above tactics or responding with an “I think” doesn’t constitute a legitimate answer during a debate.The left is constantly asking for us to supply links or facts for our arguements.It’s now time for them to do the same……..or at least have the fortitude to back their points and not just play the prophet twisting the scriptures to your own means.
I don’t feel like I’ve won or lose anything. I am not attempting to win anything. How can I WIN with my opinion? I don’t need to you give me facts of anything. Because honestly nothing in the news sparks me as anything to worry about. I am not debating anything. perhaps others on this site debate with you but I am not here to do so. I give my opinion and I enjoy the opinions of others. I am not here to act like I know it all or anything for that matter. I don’t claim to know any facts about economics or politics. I am interested in the news and in the opinions of others and I freely share my opinion.
I wish you both would see that I am here for entertainment purposes. Not to debate, not to win, or lose. I do enjoy religion as well. I take religious college courses for entertainment and for the sake of understanding other peoples religious beliefs. So if I “spout” out religion scripture its because I enjoy religion and I think it does play a role in many peoples lives when other subjects are at hand. Especially when people claim that a nation is of a specific denomination which I think it truly ridiculous. There are too many religions in the US to call the US a specific denomination. That is what makes this nation great. We can debate all day percentages of religions in the US but simply because there are a higher percentage of a certain religion in the US that does not mean that the nation is of that religion.
What makes a nation a particular religious nation is if their laws are truly the laws of their religion. You can shout at me all day that this nation was founded on Christian beliefs but that means nothing right now. A lot has changed in this country since it was founded. You can just look at the Ten Commandmends, excluding the ones who god, and you will quickly come to the conclusion that this nation is filled with so many violations if this alone. You want to be a Christian nation make Adultery illegal, have a real penalty for it rather than say if the man cheats the woman gets alimony. Lock adulterers up. When children do not honor their parents send them to juvenile detention centers and teach them the true importance of honoring their parents. Ok we have laws against stealing, purgery, and murder. This nation is so incredibly loose with adultery it truly makes me ill. Sex is this nation is rampant and disgusting.
I have a friend from morocco that says if teenage boys and girls are found making out in a car they are punished to the extent that they will NEVER do it again. That sounds like a country that enforces religious law to me. If we make laws against pre-marital sex I bet that would save a lot of people from sexually transmitted diseases. It would also likely prevent people from wanting Abortions that you people seem to hate so much. If the only people getting pregnant are married couples with a bit of religious faith than who would want to abort a child?
You can be flim flam on your religious beliefs. If conservatives are pushing for religious laws such as abolishing abortion than go through with it all.
I don’t know how many times it has been said on this site that abortion should be decided at the State level. I guess your work interfers with you reading of comments here.
How Christian of the states that.
How Christian of the states then.
Yes. Take the greed out of it and place the power in the people. I have bee praying that you confess you work ethic sins to you administrator. Perhaps docking 4 paychecks for computer time would cleanse your soul. And place you back on track to caring for those in need under your care.
Cry all you want Bill.
Showing you your inconsistencies is crying ?
You think you are doing something yet you are doing nothing but blowing smoke. Perhaps you’ve reach the age when early dementia becomes a problem.
Touched a nerve. Insulting now. Unchristian.
That was not meant as an insult, just an observation. Sadly you wish that you could “touch a nerve” Just goes to show how bored of a life you live.
What hospital do you work at ? I don’t wish to go th ere where registered nurse(?) waste time on computer saying people may be showing signs of early dementia.
It was meant as a inult and dementia classification is out of your pay scale. Should not lie, not Christian. Wasting emploer’s time is not either.
haha, you’re funny. Now you pretend you know the education of a registered nurse. So cute how hard you try to make it seem like you’re a know it all and I know nothing and I am such a horrible person. LoL
I thought Doctors were paid to diagnose. You wish to say that is your job between laughts
“So cute how hard you try to make it seem like you’re a know it all and I know nothing and I am such a horrible person. LoL”
Facts speak for themselves
Kendale…….You are simply giving your opinion for “ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES”? I suppose we should be grateful that you aren’t charging us for the “ENTERTAINMENT”.
“I am not debating anything.Perhaps others on this site debate with you but I am not here to do so I give my opinion”………….Kendale
You know when you tie this in with you spouting scriptures this sounds an awful like you think you are an apostle coming here to give us the word as YOU READ IT.You don’t want to debate yet you can get into these childish jibberish discussions(for lack of a better word) with Bill.I don’t know what you think this site is but debating politics seems to be it’s main function.Perhaps you should find a nice quiet Bible study group where you can discuss subjects you enjoy and not be challanged by opposing veiwpoints.
Now that I know you don’t wish to debate I will simply ignore any proclamations from the high arch-angel Kendale.
You all sure love labeling people, is that a debating tactic, or childish name calling?
Kendale
I proved my point. you have no room to talk about GREED. you are GREED. Willing to say anything to justify your GREED.
My point was made when you pulled out dirty insult to attempt to distract from the discussion.
“Perhaps you’ve reach the age when early dementia becomes a problem”.
Greed exist. In your soul.