Make this man President, pronto! (Update)

Once I listened to Representative Marco Rubio’s farewell address to the Florida House of Representatives, I felt the need to share his outstanding, positive vision for America. Plus, this man doesn’t use a teleprompter because everything he says is coming from his heart, he truly believes it.

Marco Rubio is running in 2010 for the Florida US Senate seat being vacated by Mel Martinez. He is running in a primary against Florida Governor Charlie Crist.

I couldn’t agree with him more on everything he says, he’s fantastic. He is not afraid to speak of his faith in God which shows his true character.

You can learn more about Rubio on his exploratory committee website.

Update

More from Rubio in a great interview:

He is correct on that whole range of issues. He obviously knows what he’s talking about and knows how to defend his positions.

  • Agree: God does not give a crap which country you live in. Any American who tells a person to go back to their country is likely to stupid to realize we are as immigrant to this country through our forefathers. We are a nation of immigrants, accept it, and get over it. God, however you’d like to define that word, is real. I am not a member of any religious sect but I believe in God. I love his analogy of the hospice nurse because that is how I care for my patients, as yes, I am a Registered Nurse, and I love my patients and I instill in them the faith and belief in God.

    Disagree: Why is he so “proud” aka sinful, in his belief that America is the best country on the planet. How does he weight that? However so, the ideal is incorrect. I don’t care which country is considered better than another. I believe we need to all be good people and no worry about which country is the best. Obviously the rights given to us as Americans have not come from God, otherwise laws would be a bit more laxed on a number of issues, and a millions times more strict in most others. God of the Jewish/Christian/Muslim religious texts would not allow the things we as Americans allow, most notably pre-marital sex, and infidelity. I have always agreed to foreign leaders that call Americans Infidels.

    Overall this guy is likable but I am surely not going to listen to him speak once and give him a vote. Heck it’s obvious many people voted for Obama simply because they liked his speeches, which I will agree with the commentators of this website and say “That is stupid.”

  • “Obviously the rights given to us as Americans have not come from God, otherwise laws would be a bit more laxed on a number of issues, and a millions times more strict in most others.”

    Our basic rights do come from God. If not, they can be stripped away by politicians with agendas. It has happened under both parties. Our rights do not stem from the “King” or from the federal government, they come when we are conceived in the womb.

    I do not trust the federal government, under any administration, to protect my rights if they think they own them, which they do not. We see what happens in countries where rights come from the state, they are constantly being denied. Our founders recognize that rights must come from a higher authority since governments always fail at protecting them. Human beings were born to be free, it is government which tramples on our rights, not provides them.

  • JD

    What rights are being taken away from you Nate?

    Also you mention that you do not trust our federal government but what about our state or our city governments? Are they more Nobel and less scandalous than our national government? Are their hands cleaner?

    I say it again. The biggest problem we have in America today is that we are a nation divided. I liked that Marco Rubio brought up JFK because I feel his brother RFK made the most profound statement about what is wrong and the effects of it. It is as follows :

    “When you teach a man to hate and fear his brother, when you teach that he is a lesser man because of his beliefs or the policies he pursues, when you teach that those who differ from you threaten your freedom or your job or your family, then you also learn to confront others not as fellow citizens but as enemies, to be met not with cooperation but with conquest; to be subjugated and mastered.

    We learn, at the last, to look at our brothers as aliens, men with whom we share a city, but not a community; men bound to us in common dwelling, but not in common effort. We learn to share only a common fear, only a common desire to retreat from each other, only a common impulse to meet disagreement with force.”

    I listen to morning talk shows, news, and the internet where everyone is told that you are an idiot for believing one way over another.

    I think this website is a perfect example. How many times have I been told that I am a lesser man because I don’t agree with all conservative views? How many times has it resorted to being called idiot…drinking kool-aid… or so on.

    I am not saying that my feelings are hurt but rather the division in the united states is so great that it can be seen even on a little website such as this.

  • “What rights are being taken away from you Nate?”

    See, this is why people like you scare me. You are the kind of person who is fine with small denigrations over time to your individual rights until you wake up and they’re gone.

    Cities and state governments are, in my opinion and in most cases, more accountable than the federal government. Look at California the other day, people voted down Schwarzenegger’s spending measures handily. Furthermore, I can relocate to a better state if I don’t like the state I’m in, same with cities. I cannot, however, escape the ever-reaching grasp of the federal government. We moved from the liberal failure of New York to Virginia and we like it here.

    Here is a short list off the top of my heard of ways in which the federal government has encroached on personal, individual rights in favor of “collective” rights:

    – Forced into paying Social Security even though I will never see anywhere near the amount I put in, it’s generational theft.

    – Forced payment into Medicare, a system which is going bankrupt.

    – Right to keep and bear arms has been infringed upon so many times in many liberal states and federally. Finally now we are taking some of it back.

    – Soon forced to deal with government-run health care instead of an individual-geared private marketplace. I will have lost my right to privacy when the federal government makes my health care decisions.

    – Due to bailouts and excessive spending by Bush and Obama, I have lost the right to a good portion of my money which will now be taken sometime down the road in increased taxes to pay for it.

    – Many Democrats want to strip freedom of speech using the the “fairness” doctrine on talk radio. If that happens, what stops them from shutting down websites which aren’t “fair” enough?

    Also, above all, you and other liberals screamed bloody murder at the rights you believe you lost under President Bush and Patriot Act, something Democrats voted for as well.

    I find it fascinating that with Obama in office, your rights have magically been restored.

    Both parties and administrations have put dents into our individual rights, you should recognize that.

    “I think this website is a perfect example. How many times have I been told that I am a lesser man because I don’t agree with all conservative views?”

    I find it ironic you are now preaching togetherness when liberals spent years destroying President Bush and burning him in effigy at anti-war protests. Yet now you’re complaining about the tone of politics? You had 8 years to set an example and liberals failed, miserably to improve the tone. Bush was demonized for everything he did and Republicans as well.

    Sorry, when I see incompetence I’m going to point it out on both sides. When I see people espousing policies which are proven to be failures, I’m going to call them on it. History is a good judge and socialism is a failure time and time again, it’s not what this nation was founded on, and don’t give me the post office lectures, you know what I’m talking about.

    If you support socialism, history has designated you an idiot. That’s about it.

  • JD

    Nate – “Sorry, when I see incompetence I’m going to point it out on both sides.”

    lol. Both sides…. did you just try and make yourself sound like you are critical on both sides? Can’t stop laughing.

    Ok, Nate. *wink, wink* I believe you.

    Nate – “find it ironic you are now preaching togetherness”

    I didn’t preach togetherness… I just said that we are divided as a nation. That is not a suggestion for togetherness but just a matter of truth. We are a nation divided 50/50 or close to that on quite a many issues.

    Nate – “History is a good judge and socialism is a failure time and time again”

    that is was we call a partial truth…History has shown that 100% socialism is a failure. It has shown that socialized police, fire, military, and education can work.

    The problem is that you throw out all the good apples with the bad. Not surprising since your entire opinion on this sight is “my way or the highway”.

    Calling some one an idiot only makes you look like one. I hope that one day you will realize this. Just know that one of the good things about being a liberal is that even though I disagree with you… I don’t think you are an idiot.

    You make good points, nate, and so does the other side. That is why we elect our presidents and leaders so that the will of the majority is acted on.

    In the end we are nothing more than interactive spectators at a sport. You “boo” at the other team and “cheer” on your team. You call the other team cheaters and claim your team is clean. In the end we all must choose a team or a side using the information we have on hand.

    You think schools should be privitized; I think everyone should have an opportunity to an education.

    The truth is there are many ways to solve the problem (more than one way to skin a cat) but it makes for a difficult solution when I fight you every step of the way and\or if you fight me every step of the way.

    That is the reason why division in a house can be a bad thing.

  • Bill Hedges

    JD

    “lol. Both sides…. did you just try and make yourself sound like you are critical on both sides? Can’t stop laughing”

    All one has to do is check archives and titles of articles. Many has been done on Bush. Just so happens Obama is President now. And spending more debt than all Presidents combined. As many complained of Bush small debt in comparrison.

    “I didn’t preach togetherness… I just said that we are divided as a nation. That is not a suggestion for togetherness but just a matter of truth. We are a nation divided 50/50 or close to that on quite a many issues.”

    I remember the great “love” when Bush was elected to second term. Clinton had problems. What you said has been said in every Country since man had Nations.

    “That is was we call a partial truth…History has shown that 100% socialism is a failure. It has shown that socialized police, fire, military, and education can work.”

    These are not “socialized” but government function. Had you said social security you would be correct.

    “The problem is that you throw out all the good apples with the bad. Not surprising since your entire opinion on this sight is “my way or the highway”.”

    Has Nate kicked anyone off for their opinion ? Has he blocked your point of view. How can you say “my way or the highway”. Give you justification.

    “Calling some one an idiot only makes you look like one. I hope that one day you will realize this. Just know that one of the good things about being a liberal is that even though I disagree with you… I don’t think you are an idiot”

    I never notice you condemning Path. And he uses worse words..A double standard for him ?? A idiot is a foolish person by definition. I have seen Nate prove some of your comments as such. As I have done, though I don’t use term
    except in self-defense.

    “You call the other team cheaters and claim your team is clean. In the end we all must choose a team or a side using the information we have on hand”

    Total unfair characture of Nate.

    “You think schools should be privitized; I think everyone should have an opportunity to an education.”

    I will guess Nate is for all get the best education they can. I bet Nate wants schools to be best they can be both public and private.. That compitition can force this upon them. Since without has given us what we have had.

    “The truth is there are many ways to solve the problem (more than one way to skin a cat) but it makes for a difficult solution when I fight you every step of the way and\or if you fight me every step of the way”

    Is called open discussion. I don’t believe he disagrees just to disagree as I have seen some do here.

    “That is the reason why division in a house can be a bad thing.”

    Those who come on here rantng, insult, use vugarity, and give sexual and racial coments does. Those who express their opinions and exchange ideas is not a bad thing.

    I speak for me not Nate. I understand he is 6’4″ and well educated.

  • JD

    Oh! Hey Bill! Forgot about you.

    Thanks for solidifying my point!

  • Bill Hedges

    JD

    You are welcomed.

  • “Just know that one of the good things about being a liberal is that even though I disagree with you… I don’t think you are an idiot.”

    You’re not always an idiot, but you have gotten mad and swore at me before so don’t act holier than thou. Sometimes your comments burn me up because the evidence doesn’t support what you say, and it irritates me to see people say things which I know are wrong, yet they think they’re correct. Or in your case, you support Obama because you voted for him.

    Also, I do criticize both parties as the GOP has sold a light brand of progressivism to the Democrats full-blown brand.

    “History has shown that 100% socialism is a failure.”

    How do you explain Europe which perhaps could be called partial socialism yet all the major countries have very high unemployment and low productivity. I call that a failure since their socialist policies are holding them back.

    Ask yourself, JD, why has the United States been successful for 200 years? It is due to capitalism, not socialism.

    We need to emphasize capitalism and tolerate some forms of “socialism”, as you call them, like the post office.

    Here’s the bottom line. Socialism, whether from Bush or Obama, has hurt the United States. Therefore, for some real CHANGE we can believe in, lets try a free market approach again.

    I know capitalism will help America thrive, I also know socialism will help it fail. The sooner you and others realize that, the less divided we will be.

    If we could just be debating how much capitalism we want instead of what forms of socialism we want, we’d all be better off. Just look at our founding, capitalism made us great, socialism will make us fail. The least possible amount of socialism we can get away with, the better.

    “That is the reason why division in a house can be a bad thing.”

    Finally, if you can simply prove to me that your socialist ideas work, then I’m on board. The issue is that I support solutions which work, not intentions which sound good yet yield crap, like green jobs.

    In fact, take the green jobs for example. This is the worst idea there ever was. The government is going to subsidize “green” in new energy. That seems fine except that the new provision for green jobs also includes a 12-month provision for all the people who will become unemployed who worked for traditional energy companies. So we subsidize 1 green job while 2 or 3 people who work in a coal plant are laid off? Total failure of policy because it’s politically driven, not driven by intelligence and fact.

    So again, I support what works and criticize what doesn’t. Not my problem if that offends you as I research both sides of an issue before I draw a conclusion. Therefore, I know I have facts and historical evidence backing my conclusions. I’m just pragmatic about it, I know socialism is a failed concept so I have little tolerance for those who, for some unknown reason, still espouse it.

  • JD

    Nate – “Ask yourself, JD, why has the United States been successful for 200 years? It is due to capitalism, not socialism.”

    It is simple Nate… Population.

    You see Germany has about as many people as we do in the state of california and Ireland has about the same about of people as we do in the city of houston.

    Because the United States of America has a joined economic power with all the states united we have dominated the market. Buying power is king and we have plenty of it.

    Why do you think China and India are such threats? Uhhh… I don’t know… they have a Billion people in it.

    Why do you think that since Europe has created the EU that the EURO is stronger than the dollar?

    I do like how you try and blame everything on Socialism. It doesn’t offend me as much as I get tired of you preaching intelligence than turn around and bury your head in the sand.

  • Bill Hedges

    JD

    How does “Why do you think China and India are such threats? Uhhh… I don’t know… they have a Billion people in it” have to do with Nate’s statent ? prove your point

    “Why do you think that since Europe has created the EU that the EURO is stronger than the dollar?” is only one aspect.

    I don’t see how this proves much.

    My opinion, Nate comment stands strong. You addressed little

  • “It is simple Nate… Population.”

    So capitalism has nothing to do with it then? I think the head buried in the sand belongs to you. It seems you could be a spokesperson for the Soviets with your anti-capitalist propaganda.

    Also, I hope you aren’t too ignorant to realize that while China is inherently a socialist authoritarian government, it uses capitalism to the extent it needs to in order to grow the country’s wealth. Please do a little research into that sometime, you will be surprised and enlightened.

    To say that population is the only reason why the United States has been the most successful country on earth is wrong and laughable in the face of such opposing evidence. I am actually surprised you tried to make that argument, I thought you’d have something better but I should learn.

    Why do you hate to admit that capitalism is a good thing? Why is it bad for people to have free markets and the liberty to make their own decisions and for businesses to thrive outside of government control?

    The real question is why you hate the freedom that capitalism creates but that’s another issue. Again I think it goes back to the fear of your own inadequacies and insecurity so you need the government to bail you out, that is the liberal mindset.

    You seem to bash capitalism at every opportunity rather than try to embrace it. You never say anything good about it even though you owe your wealth and freedom to it.

    I will never apologize for labeling socialism as a complete and total failure because I am not wrong, you are. History proves that time and time again, look it up.

    “Because the United States of America has a joined economic power with all the states united we have dominated the market.”

    Hey, and what creates a “market” for anything? Capitalism! What destroys markets? Socialism! See, you know more than you think, you just missed connecting the dots or didn’t want to admit it. Basic economics, my friend, basic economics.

    JD, I’m sorry but you will never get me to concede an inch on this issue because I am educated enough in this area to know better.

    I will never apologize for wanting every single American to succeed to the best of their abilities under a capitalist system by their own merits. Never.

    Sorry, better luck next time.

  • JD

    Nate… you are extremely DENSE!!! Even for a 6 foot 4 inch guy.

    I didn’t say that I don’t believe in capitalism but because you seem to not be able to put 2 and 2 together I will repeat myself.

    I said, 100% socailism fails!

    You try and sell that 100% capitalism is god’s gift to earth and it isn’t. All societies use some combination of Capitalism, socialism, and Traditionalism as their economy.

    Each place is different. I believe a capitalist foundation with some social programs makes for a great economy. For example the fire department and police departments.

    The problem with you is that you an all or nothing kind of guy. You know the kind of guy who rolls the window all the way down when he is asked to just crack it.

    I can’t believe you can’t understand the concept of a mixed economic system. Is it really that hard for you to grasp? I mean, let me get it straight… You are saying that you completely disagree with a mixed economic system!?? I mean, wow.

    No, No… you stick to your convictions man. I don’t want your head to explode.

    Nate – “I will never apologize for wanting every single American to succeed to the best of their abilities under a capitalist system by their own merits. Never.”

    You don’t have to apologize that you are short sighted enough to realize that a pure 100% capitalist economy doesn’t look to allow you to succeed to the best of your ability. It wasn’t until social programs that said everyone has a right to an education (public education) not just the people who can afford it.

    Again… A MIXED ECONOMIC SYSTEM. Where capitalism, traditionalism, and social programs meet.

    Nate – “Sorry, better luck next time”

    You don’t have to say sorry to me, Nate. I forgave you along time ago when you threw on your one sighted blinders after the election.

    Too bad because this site use to be balanced.

    Say no more, though. You are forgiven.

  • Bill Hedges

    JD

    What don’t you come up with some neutral suggests concerning today’s politics for Nate.

    Examples__

    1.Universal health care. The improvements, how he will cut costs, how it will be paid for, etc.. Use Obama’s plans

    2. How Obama will shore up the stolen money and coming short-fall in social security (is it %42 trillion ?) without increasing taxes to middle class. Maybe cut payments to those who saved money and have 2 incomes. Maybe 3 from retirement. You know, those who planned for retirement take the social securiy from them

    3. How energy tax will not affect the low income people.

    4. How health plan will not cause largest tax increase for middle income people in our history.

    5. How debt in social security and heavy borrowing will not lose America’s triple A status, which would basically raise interest rates for all..Obama is not concerned. Nate can show how Obama is right no to be concerned.. Right

    I think Nate should let you write the article on one of the 5 unencumbered .

  • Bill Hedges

    Jd

    You could pretend your writing article and do it neutral like you want Nate to do. Pick one of 5 or pick your own topic. Let’s know you’re being neutral.

    Show us how it is done. Maybe Nate is wrong ? Stranger things have hapened.

  • Bill Hedges

    JD

    I have asked Path many times but he won’t answer. I know you will.

    You seem to be for universal health care. If so, what Country inspires your resolve. And why. How is it paid for and how do they control cost.

    If not for universal health care, what are you for.

  • “All societies use some combination of Capitalism, socialism, and Traditionalism as their economy.”

    Right, but you are anti-capitalism in many instances and seem to continually be pro-socialist, just an observation shared by many who read your comments, I’m sure.

    Socialism destroys markets, destroys individual motivation to succeed, destroys liberty, destroys individual rights, destroys the limited role of government and so on.

    I’m not dense, I think I’m just more liberated than you in this regard. You’re still bent on failed policies of the past so I pity you. Many of us have realized that too much socialism will lead to failure so we want to avoid that. I hope you’ll join our club and want the country to succeed.

    You don’t understand that and/or you’re too naive to realize that one right infringed leads to another infringed, and another, and another… etc…

    “The problem with you is that you an all or nothing kind of guy.”

    That isn’t true, I am simply an enlightened person who realizes that we should be pushing capitalist, free-market solutions while we tolerate as little socialism as possible. It’s just an observation from history, proven time and time again.

    In fact, look at Europe and many other socialist nations. They are being forced to come back to some capitalist solutions to solve the problems socialism has created. They went too far down the socialist road, like you and Obama want to do here. It will kill the economy like it has for socialist nations where they have 15% unemployment all the time. Not a model we should be copying, or do you want failed socialism?

    This, again, for the reasons I listed above as we know how socialism kills economies while capitalism expands wealth and creates opportunities.

    I’ve noticed you haven’t disputed any negative aspects of socialism or the positive aspects of capitalism, you’re just mad that I won’t concede to you on this issue.

    “For example the fire department and police departments.”

    Again, this same lame example. These are not free-market services, they’re services everyone agrees on paying taxes for because they do not infringe on my rights, they help extend my right to life and happiness when they rescue me from a car crash. Bad example you always use time and time again, it’s old and I won’t even address it anymore. Nobody is talking about police and fireman when they’re speaking of socialism, they’re speaking about our financial system, our individual rights, our liberty, our taxes and our free market system. Get a clue on that.

    “It wasn’t until social programs that said everyone has a right to an education (public education) not just the people who can afford it.”

    Public schools started in churches, not the government. Now we spend more than ever on education and look at the mess the government has created in many instances. Come on, man! You have to see that. The goal of a public education available to everyone is noble. However, there are better ways to help achieve that than throwing money into a stagnant system. Get off the fence and see that! The DC school voucher program is one tiny example of possible things to do on a larger scale yet Obama killed it for purely political reason. It can be tweaked and refined, but it was moving in the right direction. Now we squashed it because Obama doesn’t want success, he wants government control.

    You cannot win on this issue because history has proven you wrong.

    Once again, we need to emphasize capitalist solutions and tolerate some forms of “socialism,” as you want to call them. We need to explore free-market solutions before we immediately look to the government.

    Why can’t you agree with that? It’s a no-brainer.

    I’ll ignore your other insults as pathetic attempts to derail this losing conversation for you. Whether I have blinders on or not doesn’t fix your false premises and/or rewrite history to make socialism a positive, functioning system.

    Socialism is a failure! Always has been, always will be. You argue in favor this failure, and it’s kind of funny.

  • JD

    Nate – “I hope you’ll join our club and want the country to succeed.”

    I have been in your club of wanting America to succeed. You and I just have a difference of Opinion. You feel that unchecked capitalism is the worlds best option and while i recognize that capitalism can not solve all our problems.

    Though I agree that a sound capitalist foundation is what we should be based off of. Still, there are social issues where i don’t think commercialism should be allowed.

    I guess we should turn national defense over to the private sector. lol.

    Nate – “I think I’m just more liberated than you in this regard.”

    haha… ok, nate.

    Nate – “I’ve noticed you haven’t disputed any negative aspects of socialism or the positive aspects of capitalism”

    Of course I haven’t diputed the negatives of socialism or the positives. You see here is what I mean by you being short sighted.

    All issues have pros and cons. So when we talk about social programs I am able to look at the cons and the Pros of it. The same is true about capitalist ideas.

    However, you ONLY want to talk about the negatives of social programs and ONLY the positives about capitalist ideas. It is called being obtuse.

    There are also Pros to social programs and cons to capitalism. But god forbid you open your mind and this conversation to them.

    Is it that you don’t believe there are any Pro’s to public education or fire protection… to the military? All social works?

    Is it that you don’t see CEOs taking advantage of a population for a few extra bucks in their pockets or is it that you believe they are entitled to this abuse? We should treat them like kings and just take their garbage because they have more money than me.

    Anyway, god knows your head is spinning with the notion that there are negatives to capitalism and good has come from social programs. Probably better to leave your head in the sand.

    Nate – “Public schools started in churches, not the government.”

    Wrong again. Boston has the oldest public school system in the united states and it was founded in 1647… before the constitution.

    Well, I guess you are talking about the schools in church that brought you the Salem witch trials.

    So lets see what is the big deal about a public education… Oh yeah, if you aren’t Protestant than you can still get an education or if you weren’t catholic you could still get an education. Or if you were any other form of religion than you can get an education.

    Do you know what that is called? UMMM… it is called freedom to education no matter your religion, color, race, or political beliefs. Sounds like a good thing!

    As for the cost of education. There are many public educations that meet and exceed education standards on a budget but because school districts are independent of each other means that there are others that give the system a bad name.

    I guess that is why they are called Independent School District. Which I agree is a problem and the reason why the education in Louisiana isn’t as good as you would get in Texas.

    Nate – “I’ll ignore your other insults as pathetic attempts to derail this losing conversation for you.”

    lol… you are good at ignoring that is for sure. Hence the reason why you are viewed as short sighted and unable to think out side of yourself. It wasn’t always this way but since the 2008 election and when you thought your boy McCain had the election in his pocket.

    Don’t get me wrong I wish you would go back to how this site was before with a balanced point of view where you could decide on politics.

    But we all deal with our disappointments and I have dealt with this one.

  • Bill Hedges

    JD

    What Country should we pattern our selves after and why ?

    Italy ? France ?

  • Bill Hedges

    JD

    “Don’t get me wrong I wish you would go back to how this site was before with a balanced point of view where you could decide on politics.”

    Can’t wait for your neutral comment showing Nate how to do it. Go for it JD

    Now we only find balance through open discussion.

  • Bill Hedges

    JD_”However, you ONLY want to talk about the negatives of social programs and ONLY the positives about capitalist ideas. It is called being obtuse.”

    ob·tuse
    Pronunciation: \äb-?tüs, ?b-, -?tyüs\
    Function: adjective
    Inflected Form(s): ob·tus·er; ob·tus·est
    Etymology: Middle English, from Latin obtusus blunt, dull, from past participle of obtundere to beat against, blunt, from ob- against + tundere to beat — more at ob-, contusion
    Date: 15th century
    1 a: not pointed or acute : blunt b (1)of an angle : exceeding 90 degrees but less than 180 degrees (2): having an obtuse angle — see triangle illustration cof a leaf : rounded at the free end
    2 a: lacking sharpness or quickness of sensibility or intellect : insensitive, stupid b: difficult to comprehend : not clear or precise in thought or expression
    synonyms see dull
    — ob·tuse·ly adverb
    — ob·tuse·ness noun

    No, wrong word J.D.

    “lol… you are good at ignoring that is for sure. Hence the reason why you are viewed as short sighted and unable to think out side of yourself. It wasn’t always this way but since the 2008 election and when you thought your boy McCain had the election in his pocket.”

    It seems to me Babs wrote an article to that affect not Nate. Seems like Nate was not been fan of McCain. I’m old and wrong I am sure.

    “your boy McCain”__very good…Your “Hilter want-to-be”

  • “All issues have pros and cons.”

    When did I say they didn’t? You have missed my point I’ve repeated time and time again, read it this time.

    We, as a society, need to look for free-market solutions before we go crying to the government to solve the problem. That will serve us well.

    Your ideas of looking first to government, never to the free market, will destroy our personal freedoms and liberty. They will, man, it’s very simple. I know you’re like a brick wall on this but I and others will defend your freedoms for you, it’s fine. We will stand for your rights since you are so eager to give them up in the name of the common socialist good.

    Also, you are missing the history of the Boston Latin School, the first “public” school in America. It was founded by a Reverend so you, my liberal friend, are the one who is wrong. I had to laugh a little since I have done the research for you on a topic you brought up, how ironic.

    For example:

    The first school in New England was the Boston Latin School. It was started in 1636 by Rev. John Cotton to provide education for those who were not able to receive it at home. The first common (public) schools were thoroughly Christian. In 1642 the General Court enacted legislation requiring each town to see that children were taught, especially “to read and understand the principles of religion and the capital laws of this country…”

    As time went on private schools flourished more than common schools (especially as the Puritan influence in common schools decreased). The Christian community saw the private schools were more reliable. By 1720 Boston had far more private schools than public ones, and by the close of the American Revolution many towns had no common schools at all.” There were no public schools in the Southern colonies until 1730 and only five by 1776.

    It was a Christian school started by a church for those who could not receive education at home, for whatever reason.

    In fact, as noted, common (public) schools declined as the government took them over. Sound familiar? I’m sure it doesn’t because you refuse to acknowledge it.

    The Boston Latin School was NOT started by the federal government or the state government. It was a “common” school, not started the same way as the public school system we know today. Furthermore, it was founded by a Reverend, as I correctly stated above, so don’t tell me I’m wrong.

    So your point on public education has been disputed and put to bed. The public school system we see today is nothing like the original “common” schools started by the church. I see you conveniently glossed over that detail in order to try and prove me wrong but you were caught red handed because you were too good to check.

    “There are many public educations that meet and exceed education standards on a budget but because school districts are independent of each other means that there are others that give the system a bad name.”

    Right, so lets reward to the good ones and bring free-market solutions, like vouchers, to the under performing ones. Instead we’ll just blindly follow Obama down the road of the same educational rhetoric and failed policies of increased funding with no results. Yeah, that’s intelligent. History shows, from President Bush, that more money without addressing the problems does little for education. Unfortunately Obama is going to moronically do the same as Bush in that respect. Except, he’s gone one further to kill the DC voucher program, the one area that was showing positive results. How can you, a reasonably intelligent person, support that politically driven decision?

    “Don’t get me wrong I wish you would go back to how this site was before with a balanced point of view where you could decide on politics.”

    So basically you don’t like being challenged in your beliefs. Such courage on display. I don’t have an issue nor do I shy away from defending my beliefs, because I know they are just. You squirm back and forth and pick up on parts of the discussion where you believe you can score cheap shots without disputing the points of merit.

    JD, I don’t know where you’re going to try and go next with this but I’m sure it will be entertaining. Meanwhile I have not strayed from my initial points and they stand.

  • JD

    nate – “JD, I don’t know where you’re going to try and go next with this but I’m sure it will be entertaining. Meanwhile I have not strayed from my initial points and they stand.”

    You call me a brick wall and stubborn and then elude to the idea that i stray and don’t stand on my points.

    hmmm…

    Secondly, I have said before that I am for the voucher program but I will be clear and say that I am not for turning our schools over to churches.

    Thirdly, I said that we must have a foundation in capitalism but there are programs which I believe should be left to government.

    Fourthly, I stand by the fact that there is more than one way to solve America’s problems, however, we as a people are so divided on how we want to do this that it is impossible to move in any direction. Seems as though each administration is always undoing the other administrations hard work. That is life and the price of democracy.

    Finally, unbridled Capitalism is called anarchy and unbridled socialism is a failure as well. Both ends of the spectrum do not work. I believe in a mixed economy and that is where we are today. The United States is not turning into a Communist State and any one who says we are is off based and fear mongering.

  • Nate: I do not trust the federal government, under any administration, to protect my rights if they think they own them, which they do not. We see what happens in countries where rights come from the state, they are constantly being denied. Our founders recognize that rights must come from a higher authority since governments always fail at protecting them. Human beings were born to be free, it is government which tramples on our rights, not provides them.

    I agree with you all the way. That was my point.

  • Nate:”- Soon forced to deal with government-run health care instead of an individual-geared private marketplace. I will have lost my right to privacy when the federal government makes my health care decisions.”

    I am not for government making my health care decisions but I also do not like the way things are set up now either. I agree I am not happy about being taxed for Medicare and Social Security. I’d much rather have that money placed towards my own health care today, yet if I get hit by a drunk driver, it will NOT cover my medical expenses.

    What I do not like is that if someone works for an employer that does not supply medical benefits that health insurance is most likely too expensive for the average American. Up until started working in the hospital at 25 years old, most of my life I went without health insurance, and I ended up with a lot of hefty medical bills that I am still paying on now.

    Though I respect the right to privacy and the right to freely make my own decisions about my health I still believe that the health care system and/or health insurance system are broken.

    I had a patient once who was a real estate agent (or perhaps she was just in real estate in general) She had a large kidney stone. After taking images of this stone the doctor stated that this stone was too large to pass on it’s own and would need to be removed surgically. She did not have health insurance but she stated she had enough money to pay half of the cost of the procedure (Total cost, somewhere near $20K) and she would work out a payment plan for the remainder. The physician said NO. So they discharged her with a prescription for pain medication.

    This is what I mean by broken. The cost of extremely! simple medical procedures. They could have sat that woman in a bed of water and sonic waves would be used to crush the stone and it would be excreted in urine) why on earth does that cost $20K? Also, when the physician knows that this woman can not pass the stone on her own and that she can not work with the pain she is in, does he simply say, NOPE, and sends her home?

    I do not have the solution to our health industry problems, but I know a problem when I see one.

    Another example I will make very short.

    Many times I see patients newly diagnosed with cancers that the physicians state are almost guaranteed to be 100% cured with treatment because they were caught early, but when the patient does not have insurance or money to pay for the entire treatment (which again is insanely expensive) up front, they refer the patient to hospice care (end of life care, and watch then die) rather than help find the financial solution and save this individuals life.

    That example is a good one for pro-life people. If a person has no insurance, would you say that person should receive OB/GYN, birthing, and postpartum care, along with health care for the baby? If So, why not remove a kidney stone? Why not give cancer treatment to someone we know will be cured?

    I am not asking for the answers, I am simply posing them as to give you an idea of why I believe our system of health in the U.S. is not up to par in my views.

    For those who believe that our rights are handed down to us from God and that is how laws are prepared here in the U.S. What about health care for those who can not afford it? I suppose we should do like they did with the people with leprosy in the old testament and quarantine them while they die huh?

    Why that is a bad answer is that, in those days we did not have the cure, in these days we can cure many things.

  • I’m no economics specialist so I wont pretend to know which for of governing finances works best for a country. What I am for is when I am well off and I see others who are trying hard and yet are struggling to survive, I’d like to help them along so they may get to a point where then can give that same helping hand to someone else one day.

    I do understand that some people that you lend a hand too will never become productive citizens so helping them is actually a waste, but that is not ALWAYS the case.

    Luke 10:30-37 Jesus answered, “A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he fell among robbers, who both stripped him and beat him, and departed, leaving him half dead. By chance a certain priest was going down that way. When he saw him, he passed by on the other side. In the same way a Levite also, when he came to the place, and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a certain Samaritan, as he traveled, came where he was. When he saw him, he was moved with compassion, came to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. He set him on his own animal, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. On the next day, when he departed, he took out two denarii, and gave them to the host, and said to him, ‘Take care of him. Whatever you spend beyond that, I will repay you when I return.’ Now which of these three do you think seemed to be a neighbor to him who fell among the robbers?” He said, “He who showed mercy on him.” Then Jesus said to him, “Go and do likewise.”

    I will agree that capitalism does in fact help to make us one of the best countries to live in. I also think we need to learn to live by some of our Christian beliefs, such as the Jesus’ example of helping a man fallen in a desert. Everyone passes the person by without helping until the Samaritan passes and helps the man, gives him food, and sends him on his way again.

    I know everyone here is all against helping others because supposedly all those in need of help are lazy welfare babies, but that is not true, some people just need a helping hand and they end up doing well on their own.

    I am no saint, but I do go out of my way to help others more often then not.

  • “I will agree that capitalism does in fact help to make us one of the best countries to live in. I also think we need to learn to live by some of our Christian beliefs, such as the Jesus’ example of helping a man fallen in a desert. Everyone passes the person by without helping until the Samaritan passes and helps the man, gives him food, and sends him on his way again.”

    Kendale, you’re exactly correct. That is what makes capitalism work, a strong moral Christian foundation in which it is rooted. That is what made America strong.

    However, note that Jesus did not say pay 50% or 75% of your income to the government so the government can help your neighbor, since it’s not really help. He instructed you and I to help our neighbor, not grow our government.

    This reminds me of one my favorite quotes:

    Give a man a fish and he’ll eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he’ll eat for a lifetime.

    The government is very good at handing out fish but never empowering people to become fishermen themselves. Thus, we have people who become dependent on the government fish since there is no need to become self-sufficient. That isn’t helping them, that’s destroying their self-confidence and motivation.

    “I know everyone here is all against helping others because supposedly all those in need of help are lazy welfare babies, but that is not true, some people just need a helping hand and they end up doing well on their own.”

    I believe in helping the people who truly need the help. There are people, we all have them in our own families, who for health reasons cannot work, or what have you. They need assistance and we provide that to a family member of mine by helping to pay for some of their prescription medications.

    There is a difference and my big issue with government entitlements is that it removes the motivation to become successful. I have seen it happen time and time again. We have a friend who continues to hold herself back because she just keeps relying on various government program instead of realizing her own potential and working harder to get off of them. She is a few credits away from finishing her degree yet she just won’t do it because she doesn’t want a student loan. I’d take a little student loan debt for a few classes and get off government assistance, but that’s just me.

    The laws in this country are now setup to discourage people who collect welfare from wanting to get off of it. It shouldn’t be comfortable to be broke, you should have motivation to better yourself and change that.

    Kendale, your comments were interesting to read and you pose good questions and scenarios on the health care discussion.

    It sounds like you would accept a free-market solution to health care if a viable option became available instead of really wanting the government to take it over.

  • Bill Hedges

    Hospitals and Doctors have been asking for lawsuit limitations for a long time. You can rest assured they will finally get their way if government takes charge. Or many Doctor and hospital will shut down with lowered compensation. Lawyers are a powerful group.

    Because of this one thing, excessive tests are run. High liability cost. No vaccine, to my knowledge, is made in America. High medicine cost, etc..

    I can just see Obama taking credit for lowering cost that medical people I know have wanted for at least 3 years.

    Is why kidney stones operation cost $20,000. Simular to how all things bought will rise with Carbon tax passage. Cost of doing business.

  • Speaking of excessive tests. Actually the good doctors here don’t run them. The ones who run them are new graduate physicians, I’m not exactly sure why their Attending’s do not discourage or keep them from ordering them but it is truly rediculous.

    I understand that as new physicians it is important to learn about as many possible cases, tests, and results, before you finish your residency, but allowing new graduates to run every test possible on a patient that clearly does not need it is a real problem at my hospital.

    In that sense, if the government appointed physicians to regulate medical care. Physicians may need to be held back from running excessive unnecessary tests. There should surely be some sort of regulating body. Even if it is in house rather than outside of the hospital.

    One thing I have noticed, patient who have insurance get tons of tests done and stay inside the hospital far longer than what is needed. I am certain this is done to make up for money that my hospital loses on taking in patients who are homeless or simply have no insurance. I understand this from a financial point of view, but perhaps we can come up with better ways of doing so. Again, I don’t know how many things work but I would be willing to bet that insurance premiums are so high because hospitals and such do so many unnecessary things with patients, causing the insurance companies to lose money. The only reason that explanation does not fit with me is because we see how many insurance companies are making billions of dollars each year. I’d be willing to bet that they make far more money that what is needed, feeding on the prey (consumers).

    This is where capitalism goes wrong…..greed.

    In Islam, Muslims are required to donate a percentage of their money. It does not say to whom you must donate, but you must give to charity. It also states that you do not have to give more than you are financially capable of donating. Since we are a nation under god, maybe the people making millions of dollars and more need to be willing to give up some of that excess money to charity, and I don’t simply mean the Ronald McDonald house, I mean to everyone. Perhaps that is where Obama was coming from when he meant spread the wealth. I’m sure he does not want people who make more than $250,000 to become poor, perhaps he was simply using one of the 5 Islamic Pillars of faith, the one which discusses giving alms.

    If you have more money then what is needed to live well, then you have enough to give to those who may need a little more.

    Again, I am all for some of these wealthy people donating to a college fund for bright people who are struggling to make it while in college. I know as I change schools in the fall, my tuition will double, it is going to be very hard to keep up with rising tuition costs. Especially when I start graduate school. I still don’t know how I am going to pull off paying for graduate school. I simply continue praying and having faith that God will somehow provide me with what I need to become a Physician.

  • Bill Hedges

    Kendale Sturdivent

    I am sure you are right

    I worked at University of Missouri Hospital. A teaching hospital. Patients with bad health problems and no insurance were air-lifted (if in bad shape) there as far as Springfield. A dumping ground for uninsured. This hospital was required to given more care. Something about land grant, forgot the details.

    I talked with senior Doctors there, never talked with students. This was around 3 years ago. I was repeating what they told me