Senate Votes to Block Funding for Gitmo Closure

Once again, politicians from President Obama’s own party have derailed his plan to close the Guantanamo Bay detention center by 2010. This time the opposition to the President’s radical plans came from Democrats in the Senate.

Fox News reports:

The Senate voted on Wednesday to yank money for closing the Guantanamo Bay detention camp from a war spending bill, delivering a setback to President Obama in his efforts to shutter the prison by the start of 2010.

By a vote of 90-6, the Senate approved an amendment that not only blocks supplemental funds from being used to close Guantanamo and move detainees to U.S. soil, but also orders that no funds already in U.S. coffers be redirected toward that purpose.

Sen. Dan Inouye, D-Hawaii, chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, said the vote to strip the $80 million Obama had wanted should not be seen as a rebuke to the administration but a “wake up call.”

He said it is “up to the administration to fashion a plan that can win the support of the American people and members of Congress.”

The vote was 90 to 6! This is a Democrat-controlled senate and they totally killed President Obama’s plan. Not only did they kill it, they passed blocking funds to be used for transferring prisoners to the United States. Thank you to all 90 senators who voted against the President!

In a predictable move, President Obama will be heading to the teleprompter to make his case:

Obama is trying to do exactly that with a speech Thursday meant to shed light on how the administration expects to transfer 240 detainees off the island. He wants to keep Democratic unrest from derailing his plans to close the detention camp.

The speech already appears to be overdue, considering the resistance and mixed messages coming from top-ranking Democrats over the issue on Capitol Hill.

Quite amazing how there is bi-partisan support against the President:

The amendments complicating Guantanamo closure don’t stop there. This afternoon, the Senate is expected to vote on an amendment from Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., that would mandate a U.S. threat assessment for every single detainee at Gitmo.

Such votes make assurances from Obama Thursday all the more important.

Democrats had been hammered by Republicans, some of whom don’t want Guantanamo shuttered at all, over the possibility that detainees could be sent to live in the United States — in prisons or otherwise.

Democrats agreed with that line Tuesday, when they first decided to pull $80 million from the war funding bill for the closure plan proposed by the president. They told the administration the money could be forthcoming, once the president presents a plan, that is now expected to be enacted in just seven months.

For once, congress on both sides is standing up for America against President Obama in keeping these terrorists off United States soil. This will force the Obama administration to come up with a real plan, not just lofty intentions of closing Gitmo with no exit strategy. Funny, I think I’ve heard Democrats complain about someone else’s lack of an exit strategy.

  • Path

    You don’t think our supermax prisons could hold them? You know we used to bring pow nazis here too.

    And should we just hold them forever? Cause some of them we don’t have any evidence against. Just them being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

  • “You don’t think our supermax prisons could hold them? You know we used to bring pow nazis here too.

    And should we just hold them forever? Cause some of them we don’t have any evidence against. Just them being at the wrong place at the wrong time.”

    I think you should redirect your questions to your party’s politicians who voted against the funding like Senator Dan Inouye, Democrat from Hawaii.

    This is a hilarious blow against Obama when his own party votes overwhelmingly against his plans. Now we see how he is even too radical for many in his own party.

  • Path

    I have. But you seem to agree with them so I want to ask you. Why is his plan too radical?

  • Bill Hedges

    I admired Reid yesterday listening to speak of his. Obama camp was dealt a dose of reality. Reid had to listen to the people and he heeded the call. A bitter taste for sure.

    This may be a simple chipped tooth. Could be a hair line fracture. May explode into future Tea party revolution. Time will tell.

    The Speaker of House has her problems, but don’t see her changing. Although the heat in Congress is cooling, it could freeze !

    “The vote came as FBI Director Robert Mueller told Congress that bringing Guantanamo detainees to the United States could pose a number of risks, even if they were kept in maximum-security prisons. Mueller’s testimony to a House panel put him at odds with the president and undercut the administration’s arguments for shuttering the facility”

    Still looking for CIA leaks

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  • “I have. But you seem to agree with them so I want to ask you. Why is his plan too radical?”

    I would not give any of them the luxury of US courts, they do not deserve it nor do they have a right to it as enemy combatants.

    They should be tried by military tribunals. If they’re guilty of terrorist activities, they should be sentenced accordingly by death if they murdered or detainment at Gitmo for lesser terrorist activities.

    For those who may be innocent, examine the evidence and if there is not a compelling reason to hold them, release them back to their country but they have not earned a free ride to America. Give them a chance and if they are caught again, they’ll be tried and detained base on why they were picked up for.

    Obama’s plan is radical because he wants to relocate known terrorists to America and give them access to the US civilian courts. They are not civilians, they are enemy combatants and part of al-Qaeda, a terrorist organization. To give them access to US courts would be a miscarriage of justice. I am with the dissenters on the SCOTUS that nowhere in the constitution have these individuals earned the right to our courts.

    Khalid Sheikh Mohammed does not belong in US courts as he is an al-Qaeda terrorist waging war on America. He should be before a military tribunal.

    That’s all, pretty straightforward and it would avoid what Obama is trying to do now. Plus, I think America would support it since they do not support President Obama, overwhelmingly.

  • bobnjersey

    [This is a hilarious blow against Obama when his own party votes overwhelmingly against his plans. Now we see how he is even too radical for many in his own party. ]

    yes … it’s hilarious that the united states … the same country swaggering around the world speaking of freedom and promoting democracy … holds people indefinitely without charge or representation.

    and when someone tries to correct this travesty of our fundamental principles … and the congressional cowards cave in ’cause their votes might be an issue … it’s applauded as hilarious and viewed as good.

  • Path

    Obama has already supported tribunals. Moving them from a US base in Cuba to one in the United States does not change their status. They still get some constitutional protections as long as they’re subject to our jurisdiction where ever that is.

    And the other countries don’t want the innocent ones either. They think they’re compromised and will just kill them the first chance they get. What do we do? Do a flyover and push them out of a plan at night?

  • Bill Hedges

    Official: Gitmo suspect to be sent to NY for trial

    By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer Devlin Barrett, Associated Press Writer – 19 mins ago
    WASHINGTON –

    “A top al-Qaida suspect held at Guantanamo Bay will be sent to New York for trial, an Obama administration official said Wednesday, a major step in President Barack Obama’s plan to close the detention center by early next year. Ahmed Ghailani would be the first Guantanamo detainee brought to the U.S. and the first to face trial in a civilian criminal court”

    “Some lawmakers have already voiced opposition to bringing Guantanamo detainees to the U.S. for trial, even in heavily guarded settings.”

    “Obama is scheduled to give a major speech addressing Guantanamo and national security Thursday morning”

    “Four other men have been tried and convicted in the New York courthouse for their roles in the embassy attacks. All were sentenced to life in prison.”

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  • Path

    Whats your point? It shows that the process is slowly working. Just another 200 or so to go. Some of them we have enough evidence that isn’t a national secerity risk so we can put them in the civillian court system. Others are more sensitive and can’t have some evidence released. So they go into the military courts. Its not something I like because I think a person should be able to defend themselves and see the evidence against them. But not a lot of other options either.

  • Bill Hedges

    My may 20 link said

    WASHINGTON – “In a rare, bipartisan defeat for President Barack Obama, the Senate voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to keep the prison at Guantanamo Bay open for the foreseeable future and forbid the transfer of any detainees to facilities in the United States”.

    It does not stop release, just release to American
    facilities.
    …..

    Obama had to show some back-bone today as shown in this article.

    “President Barack Obama is staunchly defending his decision to close the Guantanamo prison facility, calling it “a mess,” and saying he won’t do anything to endanger the American people”

    Nobody is stopping you sir. Just stopped you from moving them to America. That is in your “pay grade” sir. Maybe you wish to step down ?

    “Obama takes on the explosive topic a day after the Senate, at the behest of majority Democrats, denied his request for $80 million to close the prison. The 90-6 vote followed a similar move last week in the House and underscored widespread apprehension among Obama’s Democratic allies in Congress over the issue.”

    Looks like Obama got his bipartican support, err, non-support.

    “With Wednesday’s action in the Senate, lawmakers from both houses of Congress have gone on record criticizing the lack of specific plans about where to house inmates who are considered too dangerous for release or transfer to other countries.”

    A plan. A announced plan. Not, hide plan and vote for plan.

    ” FBI Director Robert Mueller told Congress that bringing Guantanamo detainees to the United States could pose a number of risks, even if they were kept in maximum-security prisons.”

    I bet he has good reasons to say this against Obama’s known stance. Guy no fool. Rember Joe thePlumber ans Sarah. Well maybe Obama would dare try to discredit Mueller.

    “Gibbs and Attorney General Eric Holder both quickly responded that Obama would never do anything to endanger Americans.”

    Well sir, Looks like saying your going to do something also means explaning how you will accomplish it. You know, specifics, not concepts. Sounds like good idea for other things like your health care.. Novel idea, huh.

    Don’t think distraction will work this time. 100 days has past

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  • D.D.Mao

    The four terrorist who were caught in New York yesterday were CONVERTED TO ISLAM WHILE IN OUR PRISON SYSTEM AND THE LIBERAL LEFT SEES NOTHING WRONG WITH PUTTING 200 MORE INMATES IN IT TO GET INDOCTRINATED.

    WELL THOUGHT OUT !!!

  • Bill Hedges

    Sir, when you say “a mess”, does your memory go back to Bill Clinton and his lack of resolve against terrorist. Could it be sound strategy from Bill could have prevented “a mess”. Interesting history lesson sir, nt this link

    Least we forget

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    DDMao

    How will closing Gitmo change anything. I just posted Bill Clinton link I think shows facts Gitmo has nothing to due with terrorism. I think sir is trying to blame Bush without invoking his name.

    Of course terrorism goes to the 1970’s and before. I didn’t post that link

    I don’t think it has been mentioned about inmate learning from other inmates.

  • Bill Hedges

    best kept secret in the USA
    probably because it has photographs of George Bush and Putin

    9/11 Tear Drop Memorial from Russia

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  • D.D.Mao

    Bill…………Perhaps you misunderstood me.What I was saying WAS WHEN YOU CLOSE GITMO AND SHIP THESE 200 TERRORIST TO OUR PRISON SYSTEM THEY WILL INDOCTRINATE OTHER PRISONERS INTO THEIR TERRORIST ISLAMIC BELIEFS AS HAPPENED IN THE CASE OF THE NEW YORK 4.I WAS NOT SAYING DON’T CLOSE GITMO!!

  • Bill Hedges

    DDMao

    I understood. I wrote wrong. I was excited over my Clinton link. Plus deciding if I would buy some stock at good price now.

    I don’t muti-task as well as sir

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    The Facts About Clinton and Terrorism
    You don’t need a movie to see his failures.

    “By Byron York

    Editor’s note: When it comes to Bill Clinton’s record on terrorism, there’s no need to invent fictional scenarios to show how ineffective he was; the truth is bad enough. A few months after 9/11, Byron York went through the record — including the former president’s habit of taking polls to see how he should respond to terrorist attacks — and came up with this report, from the December 17, 2001 issue of National Review: ”

    “June 25, 1996, a powerful truck bomb exploded outside the Khobar Towers barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, tearing the front from the building, blasting a crater 35 feet deep, and killing 19 American soldiers. Hundreds more were injured. When news reached Washington, Presi dent Bill Clinton vowed to bring the killers to justice. “The cowards who committed this murderous act must not go unpunished,” he said angrily. “Let me say again: We will pursue this. America takes care of our own. Those who did it must not go unpunished.” The next day, leaving the White House to attend an economic summit in France, Clinton had more tough words for the attackers. “Let me be very clear: We will not resist” — the president corrected himself — “we will not rest in our efforts to find who is responsible for this outrage, to pursue them and to punish them.”

    “As Clinton spoke, his top political strategist, Dick Morris, was hard at work conducting polls to gauge the public’s reaction to the bombing. “Whenever there was a crisis, I ordered an immediate poll,” Morris recalls. “I

    “So Clinton talked tough. But he did not act tough. Indeed, a review of his years in office shows that each time the president was confronted with a major terrorist attack — the February 26, 1993, bombing of the World Trade Center, the Khobar Towers attack, the August 7, 1998, bombing of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and the October 12, 2000, attack on the USS Cole — Clinton was preoccupied with his own political fortunes to an extent that precluded his giving serious and sustained attention to fighting terrorism.”

    link provided earlier

  • Bill Hedges

    I guess liberals would follow GOOD OLE BILL CLINTON style than sir’s forced follow through caused by Bush

    Bill Clinton’s empathy sure worked !

  • Bill Hedges

    To sir, with love

    “The Freud”

    Martin Josh Gerstein, Jonathan Martin – Thu May 21, 12:34 pm ET

    “In an extraordinary crosstown debate carried live across the airwaves, President Barack Obama and former Vice President Dick Cheney battled Thursday over the Bush administration’s war on terror, with Cheney issuing a scathing rejection of the new president’s policies and saying Obama is leaving the nation exposed to attack.”

    “Cheney accused those who call Bush interrogation practices torture – as Obama has – of engaging in “contrived indignation and phony moralizing on the interrogation methods applied to a few captured terrorists.”

    “And he urged Obama to make future national security choices based not on “slogans and campaign rhetoric, but on a truthful telling of history.”

    “Obama, in turn, said President George W. Bush decimated the nation’s values and beliefs in a hastily conceived, poorly executed plan that left him a “mess” at Guantanamo Bay prison and American’s image abroad in tatters.”

    “Obama said the only responsible way to clean up problems at Gitmo is to bring some prisoners to the U.S. for trial, despite the intense resistance to that idea in Congress.”

    “In dealing with this situation, we do not have the luxury of starting from scratch. We are cleaning up something that is – quite simply – a mess; a misguided experiment that has left in its wake a flood of legal challenges that my Administration is forced to deal with on a constant basis,” Obama said. “The problem exists because of the decision to open Guantanamo in the first place.”

    “In his remarks, Obama renewed his pledge to close the U.S. military prison in Cuba, made in an executive order issued on his second full day in office – but he did not repeat his promise to shutter the facility by January of next year.”

    “But it was Cheney who was on the attack in his speech at the American Enterprise Institute, leveling a broadside against Obama at a time when some in the Republican party want to move forward rather than re-litigate the unpopular Bush years.”

    “He portrayed Obama as so concerned with his public image, at home and abroad, that he was willing to compromise in the fight against terrorism.”

    “If liberals are unhappy about some decisions, and conservatives are unhappy about other decisions, then it may seem to them that the President is on the path of sensible compromise,” Cheney said. “But in the fight against terrorism, there is no middle ground, and half-measures keep you half exposed.”

    “You cannot keep just some nuclear-armed terrorists out of the United States, you must keep every nuclear-armed terrorist out of the United States. Triangulation is a political strategy, not a national security strategy,” Cheney said. “There is never a good time to compromise when the lives and safety of the American people are in the balance. “

    “On the specific issues of the harsh interrogation practices and the Guantanamo detention center, Cheney was equally aggressive.”

    “The released memos were carefully redacted to leave out references to what our government learned through the methods in question,” the former vice president said of the declassified documents released last month. “Other memos, laying out specific terrorist plots that were averted, apparently were not even considered for release. For reasons the administration has yet to explain, they believe the public has a right to know the method of the questions, but not the content of the answers.”

    “He added: “Releasing the interrogation memos was flatly contrary to the national security interest of the United States.”

    “On the controversial detention center, Cheney asserted Obama’s decision was rooted in politics not the safety of Americans – and that the move this week by the Senate to strip funding for closing the facility underscored the difficulty of closing it down.”

    “The administration has found that it’s easy to receive applause in Europe for closing Guantanamo,” Cheney said. “But it’s tricky to come up with an alternative that will serve the interests of justice and America’s national security.”

    “For all his criticism of Obama – and he even tweaked the president for his lengthy speech, noting that it underscored his roots in the Senate – Cheney also presented a detailed defense of the controversial steps taken in the wake of 9/11 and reminded exactly who it was the tactics since were being used again.”

    “He recounted the terrorist attacks leading up to that day and then recounted with at times graphic language those attacks – recalling the attack on the Twin Towers and “the final horror for those who jumped to their death to escape burning alive.”

    “After his reminder of the terrorist threat, Cheney accused Obama of making the wrong judgment about the dangers: “You can look at the facts and conclude that the comprehensive strategy has worked, and therefore needs to be continued as vigilantly as ever. Or you can look at the same set of facts and conclude that 9/11 was a one-off event – coordinated, devastating, but also unique and not sufficient to justify a sustained wartime effort.”
    ……….
    NOTE___
    “In his remarks, delivered in front of a display of U.S. founding documents at the National Archives, Obama did not rule out releasing some Guantanamo prisoners in the U.S. However, he did not affirmatively say that he would do so.
    ……….

    “We are not going to release anyone if it would endanger our national security, nor will we release detainees within the United States who endanger the American people,” the president said. “Where demanded by justice and national security, we will seek to transfer some detainees to the same type of facilities in which we hold all manner of dangerous and violent criminals within our borders – highly secure prisons that ensure the public safety.”

    “Obama acknowledged the uproar on Capitol Hill this week that led to a 90-6 Senate vote blocking funding for any transfer of Guantanamo prisoners to the U.S.”

    “As our efforts to close Guantanamo move forward, I know that the politics in Congress will be difficult. These issues are fodder for 30-second commercials and direct mail pieces that are designed to frighten. I get it,” he said. “We will not be safe if we see national security as a wedge that divides America.”

    Above sir said “designed to frighten”. He is expect at that

    General__ There is dissension among the ranks

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  • bones

    “This time the opposition to the President’s radical plans came from Democrats in the Senate.”

    You call obeying a supreme court order radical? That’s not radical. Here I thought you liked our US constitution. Radical would be the American government starting prisons off of American soil in order to circumvent the American law they helped establish.

    Radical would be suggesting our president doesn’t have to listen to our Supreme Court if he doesn’t feel like it.

    Our president complying with a Supreme Court order? That’s not radical. That OUGHT to be expected. Bush got us into this awful, illegal mess. Don’t blame the guy who has to clean it up.

  • Bill Hedges

    Grad

    Full text__

    ” This time the opposition to the President’s radical plans came from Democrats in the Senate.

    Fox News reports:

    The Senate voted on Wednesday to yank money for closing the Guantanamo Bay detention camp from a war spending bill, delivering a setback to President Obama in his efforts to shutter the prison by the start of 2010.”

    “By a vote of 90-6, the Senate approved an amendment that not only blocks supplemental funds from being used to close Guantanamo and move detainees to U.S. soil, but also orders that no funds already in U.S. coffers be redirected toward that purpose.”

    Don’t see “president complying with a Supreme Court order?”
    here

    What “illegal mess”…ducument

  • Bill Hedges

    Obama says “mess”

  • D.D.Mao

    I have never heard any President spend so much time in a speech making sure he makes the point that PRESIDENT BUSH IS AT FAULT FOR THE TORTURE OF PRISONERS WHILE ACCEPTING MOST OF THE TACTICS BUSH USED IN THE WAR ON TERROR.Oh! President Obama will change a few of the names such as he did with “overseas contingency operations”(war on terror) and “manmade disasters” (terrorist attacks)and what Obama referred to as torture under the Bush Administration will now be called a time-out with the Taliban I suppose. But NOTHING WILL CHANGE AND THE MESSIAH WILL SAY SEE HOW CIVILIZED “I”AM !
    EVER NOTICE HOW MANY TIMES HE SAYS “I” IN A SPEECH?

    “OUR GOVERNMENT MADE DECISIONS BASED ON FEAR RATHER THAN FORESIGHT AND ALL TO OFTEN TRIMMED FACTS AND EVIDENCE TO FIT IDEOLOGICAL PREDISPOSTIONS……BARACK OBAMA 21 MAY 2009

    I COULD HAVE SWORE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HIS STIMULUS BILL HERE!

  • Nate,

    I think you should take your own advice and voice your opinion towards your politicians. Over and over it appears that your goal of this website is to defame the character of the president rather then come up with solutions and put them into political action. Bashing a president will not get anything done as with Bush bashing did not get anything done.

    I agree it is notable great that congress voted against something that Obama planned to show you that politics is not all about democrat versus republican, it is about doing what is right for our country. I am not gloating about democrats voting against a Obama plan as I never gloated about republicans voting against a Bush plan, why, because that is not the point of politics.

    $80 million dollars is the cost of closing down a prison with less than 300 prisoners? Man that just sounds idiotic. How much does it cost to run the prison? How much would it really cost to ship less than 300 people to a maximum security federal prison? Nowhere near millions of dollars. I am also positive there are many people here in American prisons that are more of a threat to the US than the prisoners on Gitmo. Hell I think US citizens have done a notably great job in causing many communities of the US become hell holes.

    I am for getting rid of Gitmo and all for placing the detainees here in the US. I don’t believe it poses any threat to the security of the US. Speaking from a person who has been to prisons (not as a detainee) and knowing people who have been imprisoned in various states. Heck, even watching shows on television that show the inside of US prisons, all of these things will show and prove that the Gitmo detainees are the ones who have to worry about being brought here, rather than US citizens worry about their own safety from the Gitmo detainees.

    Think about it, people who are labeled as terrorist against American being placed in prison on US soil. Do you not think that run the risk of being killed here in prison by prison inmates. If they are NOT placed in protective custody, and rather placed in general population, they are likely to be murdered if their identities are somehow disclosed.

    Why on earth do we even have a prison in Gitmo? Heck we don’t even like them, why are we in their country in the first place? Oh wait, we do our best to own land in every notable country, we’re the “Super Power.” (That was sarcasm for those who may not have noticed.)

    No, I am not Anti-American, I just don’t agree with everything America does.

    Nate, I enjoyed you more when you took the non-partisan approach on this site. Since that change, you sound more like a “hater” and no I am not trying to use slang, but your commentary does look to be more about Obama bashing rather than reporting political news. You are obviously picking sides rather than reporting.

  • Bill Hedges

    Obama is not concerned in change in U.S. credit rating

    HEY, I AM

    Looks bad for obama’s spending spree ????

  • Bill Hedges

    TEA PARTY

    Below is all quote
    ……….

    Subject: An Update on Oklahoma

    HURRAY FOR OK!

    WE SLEEP SAFE IN OUR BEDS BECAUSE ROUGH MEN STAND READY TO VISIT VIOLENCE ON THOSE WHO DO US HARM

    An update from Oklahoma .

    The state law passed today, 37 to 9, had a few liberals in the mix, an amendment to place the Ten Commandments on the front entrance to the state capitol. The feds in D.C., along with the ACLU, said it would be a mistake. Hey this is a conservative state, based on Christian values…! Guess what……….We did it anyway.

    We recently passed a law in the state to incarcerate all illegal immigrants, and ship them back to where they came from, unless they want to get a green card and become an American citizen. They all scattered.. Hope we didn’t send any of them to your state. This was against the advice of the Federal Government, and the ACLU, they said it would be a mistake.

    Guess what……….we did it anyway..

    Yesterday we passed a law to include DNA samples from any and all illegals to the Oklahoma database, for criminal investigative purposes. Pelosi said it was unconstitutional.

    Guess what………We did it anyway.

    Several weeks ago, we passed a law, declaring Oklahoma as a Sovereign state, not under the Federal Government directives. That, for your information, makes Oklahoma and Texas the only states to do so. Guess what………More states are likely to follow. Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, both Carolina’s, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, just to name a few. Should Mississippi act, so will Florida . Save your confederate money, it appears the South is about to rise up once again.

    The federal Government has made bold steps to take away our guns. Oklahoma, a week ago, passed a law confirming people in this state have the right to bear arms and transport them in their vehicles. I’m sure that was a set back for the Kennedys and Ms Pelosi.
    Guess what………..We did it anyway.

    By the way, Obama does not like any of this.
    Guess what….who cares…were doing it anyway.

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  • Bill Hedges

    Credit Card Bill May Reduce Consumers’ Buying Power

    “The “bill of rights” that U.S. President Barack Obama is scheduled to sign today is intended to protect cardholders from excessive fees and last-minute contract changes. It also may prompt banks to slash available credit by as much as $90 billion to avoid risk, said Robert Hammer, chief executive officer of R.K. Hammer Investment Bankers, an adviser to card companies.”

    “That reduction could choke off a consumer-led recovery and hurt retailers struggling amid the longest recession since the 1930s, said Andrew Caplin, an economics professor at New York University. Consumer spending accounts for 70 percent of the U.S. economy.”

    This was not on web site 5 days before he signed into law today ? Was there tranparency ?

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    Kendale Sturdivent May 22nd, 2009 at 3:34 am
    Nate,

    “I think you should take your own advice and voice your opinion towards your politicians. Over and over it appears that your goal of this website is to defame the character of the president rather then come up with solutions and put them into political action. Bashing a president will not get anything done as with Bush bashing did not get anything done.”

    I believe you will find conservative counter choices on most any point to Obama’s movements. Point out those that are not and I will respond

    “I agree it is notable great that congress voted against something that Obama planned to show you that politics is not all about democrat versus republican, it is about doing what is right for our country. I am not gloating about democrats voting against a Obama plan as I never gloated about republicans voting against a Bush plan, why, because that is not the point of politics.”

    When Congress reads the “bill” and “bill” is good for America our government functions properly. No matter the party in power at the time. That’s our system.

    “$80 million dollars is the cost of closing down a prison with less than 300 prisoners? Man that just sounds idiotic. How much does it cost to run the prison? How much would it really cost to ship less than 300 people to a maximum security federal prison? Nowhere near millions of dollars. I am also positive there are many people here in American prisons that are more of a threat to the US than the prisoners on Gitmo. Hell I think US citizens have done a notably great job in causing many communities of the US become hell holes.”

    I know little about cost of closing. Expect it cost more than we think. Not saying there is not a lot of waste, as seen in England in recent times.

    Many that caused “hell hole” are not U.S citizens.

    “I am for getting rid of Gitmo and all for placing the detainees here in the US. I don’t believe it poses any threat to the security of the US. Speaking from a person who has been to prisons (not as a detainee) and knowing people who have been imprisoned in various states. Heck, even watching shows on television that show the inside of US prisons, all of these things will show and prove that the Gitmo detainees are the ones who have to worry about being brought here, rather than US citizens worry about their own safety from the Gitmo detainees.”

    Did not recent incident in New York give you pause.

    “Think about it, people who are labeled as terrorist against American being placed in prison on US soil. Do you not think that run the risk of being killed here in prison by prison inmates. If they are NOT placed in protective custody, and rather placed in general population, they are likely to be murdered if their identities are somehow disclosed.”

    It seems clear “protective custody” is necessary. Still, I bet those that recuited those in recent N.Y. was also in “protective custody”.

    Congress went against popular President. Good sign our system works.

  • Don Tripp

    What the hell are Americans afraid of?

    How many “prisoners” are there in Gitmo? 150?

    Think of the millions of dollars that are spent on this wasteful endeavor when these thugs could be in ANY prison here in the U.S.

    The Senate showed that they’re really a scared bunch of cowards afraid to take a stand on a truly moral issue!

    DT

  • Bill Hedges

    DT

    Not 150. “scared “, “cowards ” and “What the hell” are colorful. Those Democrats are obamaites. Same ones that blindly signed $ trillions “bill” without properly reading. So they must have good reasons to go against their god. Unless you think being Obamaites makes them nuts.

    Maybe if you read my last comment..

    “Did not recent incident in New York give you pause”. You read about it, right ? Maybe you never heard best proving grounds for a criminal is jail to learn their trade. Why would you not want these folks living next door to you, if released. And innocent..

    All they are asking for is a plan. Obama said he was going to close Gitmo for a long time. We know obama has abruptly changed his mind to follow McCain and Bush. Are you scared he won’t close it ? He is the man for CHANGE. We knew him so well before electing him. He won’t change his mind. Right ?

  • Bill Hedges

    “Liberals ask how they lost gun, Guantanamo votes

    May 24, 4:14 PM (ET)

    By CHARLES BABINGTON

    WASHINGTON (AP) – “Frustrated liberals are asking why a Democratic-controlled Congress and White House can’t manage to close the Guantanamo prison or keep new gun-rights laws from passing.”

    “After all, President Barack Obama pledged to shut down the military detention center on Cuba for suspected terrorists. And Democratic control of the government would suggest that any gun legislation leads to tighter controls on weapons, not expanded use.”

    “Even as they grouse, however, liberal lawmakers acknowledge that no one factor explains last week’s disappointing back-to-back votes in Congress.”

    “The Obama administration is focused on other priorities, they say. Party leaders don’t want to endanger Democratic lawmakers from conservative districts by stressing divisive issues such as gun control.”

    GIVE ME A BREAK___PLEASE..They had no problems adding $ trillions of PORK to bills. That took time to hide.

    It is way to early to figure this out for sure. But new posted signs shows “new change” is not all Liberal had thought.

    I don’t think a whole bunch of new liberals came into existence. I think a bunch of Democrats and Republicans were upset over perceived Bush and Congress doing nothing to stop economic collapse. Main stream media did a excellent job placing blame on Republicans. Might add government gave media money as well. Money always talk. And very troubled General Electric has CEO sitting at Obama’s side. Contracts waiting to be given (won ?) to GE. Add Acorn and record campaign money from sources we will never know. only guess.

    How liberals lost, in my opinion, is Obama won on one issue. Economy. Remember Senior Bush, “Read my lips…”

    As citizen sees Democrat controlled careless behavior, little lights go flashing in their heads. Not reading bills for $ trillion’s is one example, then added pork. Even loyal Washingon mdia has opened their eyes a tiny bit.

    Democrats want to be re-elected. Even Reid’s re-election polls are not looking real good. Big Democrat leader lose his sit ? Liberals should know all Congress sees this.

    Liberals, what Country is shining light for your views ? I always hear Obama’s idea. No example Country. No plan.

    I want to sell you a bridge. And not the one terrorist had planned to blow up.
    ……….

    More heart-break for Obama__I feel for him. Real Empathy

    “Court pick could face filibuster over ‘feelings'”

    By PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writer Philip Elliott, Associated Press Writer –

    WASHINGTON – The Senate’s No. 2 Republican on Sunday refused to rule out a filibuster if President Barack Obama seeks a Supreme Court justice who decides cases based on “emotions or feelings or preconceived ideas.”

    “We will distinguish between a liberal judge on one side and one who doesn’t decide cases on the merits but, rather, on the basis of his or her preconceived ideas,” Kyl said.

  • Bill Hedges
  • Bill Hedges

    Today Harry Reid does 180 degree change and is for GITMO terrorist coming to America…Wonder what went on behind closed doors.

    He is still having troubles in polls at home. People seem to be for using $250,000,000 state of art facility.

    We could just change the name !

  • Bill Hedges

    Suprise…Obama in Nevada tonight getting money for Harry Reid campaign . What a well bought change of mind. Or did Reid plan it ???