(Video) President Obama speaks at Notre Dame

President Obama delivered an address today at the University of Notre Dame while receiving an honorary law degree. Of course, this drew harsh criticism from many Catholics who were disgusted that the university would invite and allow a blatantly pro-abortion politician to be honored in a such a way. However, the majority of students and families seemed to applaud his appearance.

Some of the meat of Obama’s remarks about the abortion issue:

For some who compare the murdering of babies to the injustice of slavery, President Obama’s words aren’t going to mean much. I found it rather ironic to hear President Obama speak about the “civil rights of all God’s children” when he personally doesn’t believe that all of God’s children have a right to even live outside of the womb.

Furthermore, Barack Obama was one of the only Illinois state Senators who argued against a law which would force hospitals to provide care to babies who were accidentally born-alive during a failed abortion. Essentially this amounts to infanticide making President Obama the most absolute pro-abortion president in history. He has voted four times in favor of infanticide which is on the record in Illinois.

If you believe human rights should be extended to all, including life at the moment of conception, then there is no compromising on this issue and President Obama is wasting his breath. It’s amazing to me how some people who champion civil rights are so eager to deny babies the basic right to life.

More from Fox News:

President Obama is “in the minority” with his abortion views, the leader of a group protesting the president’s Notre Dame commencement address said Sunday.

Rev. Frank Pavone, director of Priests for Life, told “FOX News Sunday” that the reason students and Catholic leaders are protesting Notre Dame’s decision to award an honorary degree to Obama is because they believe it’s the latest indication that the country is “trivializing abortion.”

Pavone was reacting to a new Gallup poll that shows more Americans calling themselves “pro-life” than “pro-choice,” by 51-to-42 percent, for the first time since Gallup began asking the question in 1995. A recent FOX News poll also showed more people describing themselves as pro-life for the first time since 2004.

“The nation is becoming more and more pro-life and they’re realizing that … abortion on demand throughout all nine months of pregnancy is just not where the American people are today, it’s not where they’ve ever been,” Pavone said. “The president’s position on this is in the minority.”

Thank God the country is moving toward a more pro-life mindset. This will hopefully lead to a basic right to life being extended to all children from the moment of conception.

Around 50 students and their families held an alternative commencement at the Notre Dame Grotto.

  • Path

    FiveThirtyEight did a interesting article about that abortion poll a couple days ago. He basically called the poll a mild outlier when compared to different polls, different kinds of questions asked, and a longer time frame. He also says how remarkablely steady public opinion has been over the years. Either way only time will tell and since abortion is one of the most frequently polled issues a nice pattern should emerge.

    I don’t think anyone is anti-choice or pro-abortion but I think everyone can agree we can cut down on the number of unwanted pregnancies and possible abortions that come with it.

  • Path

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/05/is-public-opinion-changing-on-abortion.html

    FiveThirtyEight is a great political poll analysis website. Not much bias just a bunch of math and politic nerds doing what they like.

  • Bill Hedges

    “Barack Obama was one of the only Illinois state Senators who argued against a law which would force hospitals to provide care to babies who were accidentally born-alive during a failed abortion. Essentially this amounts to infanticide making President Obama the most absolute pro-abortion president in history”

    When I consider Obama voted many times on bills “present”, fact he even votd “yea” or “nay” is remarkable. To vote “yea” to such foul practice as pre-bith abortion is despicable. I can accept abortion as right of Mother. This ?No !

    “Obama speak about the “civil rights of all God’s children”__Sheer hypocrisy. Try honesty.

    ” It’s amazing to me how some people who champion civil rights are so eager to deny babies the basic right to life.”

    Where does denial of “civil rights” end ? This opens the door. Liberals will give rights to terrorist, but not to pre-birth children. How pathetic and irrational. Obama “has voted four times in favor of infanticide which is on the record in Illinois”

    With this attitude, way to save money within socialized medicine becomes very easy. England and others have gone deeply in debt. Ahthough I undertstand Obama is a God and won’t run into real world problems, I will point out as if he was. Reduction of benefits is real world answer. If I get cancer (or something else expensive) and government has decided to give me just pain pills. Reaseach and development of new and better drugs have fallen by the wayside. Too expensive. Amgen does not have R & D anymore. They cannot recoupe investment. Poor little old me, I am in same boat as pre-born baby.

  • Christopher Schwinger

    And Alan Keyes got arrested for protesting Obama’s abortion stance at Notre Dame!!! THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!! Alan Keyes is still in jail.

  • Path

    Is that real outrage or are you just being sarcastic? It can be hard to tell on this site. If you’re being serious you need to relax. He’ll be released within 24 hours and most likely charges won’t be pressed. And I’m sure he wasn’t arrested just for protesting it probably also involved trespassing and/or disorderly conduct.

  • JD

    Glad to see that the Notre Dame students didn’t buy into the retarded protest that went on where people from other universities and states attempted to tell students of a specific university that they shouldn’t allow the president of the united states of America to speak at their commencement where he was invited.

    It was a good speech and seemed well received.

    Just to be clear, I believe women are nothing more than incubators and they should be forced to carry babies with no power over their reproductive rights. If they want to get an abortion they should do it in back ally “illegal” abortion clinic and they should be branded with with a scarlet “A” on their forheads if society were to find out.

    While we are at it we should go back to calling children who are born with out a father, “Bastards”.

    Seriously, Abortion is not something women take lightly. The majority of women see their pregnancies through and the ones that don’t usually have a reason for it. Slapping on a condom or popping a birth control pill kills the baby before it has a heart beat but no one cry foul or feels there is blood on their hands.

    I don’t agree with all abortions but I also don’t agree with making them all illegal. There should be rules.

  • Bill Hedges

    “Just to be clear, I believe women are nothing more than incubators and they should be forced to carry babies with no power over their reproductive rights. If they want to get an abortion they should do it in back ally “illegal” abortion clinic and they should be branded with with a scarlet “A” on their forheads if society were to find out.”

    “While we are at it we should go back to calling children who are born with out a father, “Bastards”. ”

    Haven’t heard anybody express those kind of views in 20 or is it 30 years.

  • Christopher Schwinger

    I’m not being sarcastic, Path.

  • D.D.Mao

    What the President said is we need to find “A common ground on abortion……” there is no common ground WHEN IT COMES TO THE CHURCH and abortion.The church ISN’T A DEMOCRACY where you get to pick and choose which sins you think are o.k. to commit or even get to decide WHAT IS A SIN.It’s an idealogy of beliefs and you follow them to the best of your ability.He seemed to have picked up the Rev. Wrights idealogy 100% with no questions asked after SITTING THERE FOR 20 YEARS.

    If he thinks he’s really “THE ONE” THEN POSSIBLY HE SHOULD START HIS OWN PARISH.He can call it “Our Lady of the Good Time With No Responsibility Attached”

  • “I don’t agree with all abortions but I also don’t agree with making them all illegal.”

    So you do agree with abortion but are too afraid to say so because you can’t put that on your conscience, I understand.

    It’s fairly basic. Either you believe human rights extend to everyone, including unborn babies, or you don’t. President Obama does not believe human rights are universal as he has voted numerous times to deny the basic right of life to babies who survive botched abortions. That is reprehensible.

    Furthermore, if you genuinely do care for the well-being of the mother, you’ll advise against an abortion so they don’t have serious depression issues later in life for killing one of their children. Abortion, as with suicide, is a permanent solution to a temporary challenge in life. The only one who gets hurt is the unborn child who never gets a chance.

  • JD

    You only prove my point again Nate. Most people don’t abort their children and like the commercial points out… we now have the best president in the world because of this fact.

    I love the “potential” theory that commercials like the one you posted have. They only seem to use the great examples. What about the potential of the bastard child that turned into a dictator and commits genocide or the life potential of the ones that open fire on innocent civilians in a school yard.

    Anyway… it just comes down to which comes first the chicken or the egg. I think women should be able to abort if their life is at risk and if pregnancy is from rape or incest.

  • Path

    “I’m not being sarcastic, Path.”
    Is he out yet? He went there to get arrested he knew what he was doing.

    Anyways, does making it illegal make it go away or more safe?

  • “What about the potential of the bastard child that turned into a dictator and commits genocide or the life potential of the ones that open fire on innocent civilians in a school yard.”

    So only children which could have been potential abortions can end up committing evil acts? Please, I know you didn’t mean that. Also, whose calling a child a “bastard,” isn’t all life created equal and precious?

    Furthermore, your assertion is incorrect since people who grew up in ideal situations can also commit the acts you mentioned.

    The point is that you don’t know, you have no clue what a child’s potential is unless you kill it before it’s born, then you kill any chance at any potential.

    “I think women should be able to abort if their life is at risk and if pregnancy is from rape or incest.”

    That’s very different from abortion-on-demand and/or infanticide, which is what Obama is indisputably on record as voting for and supporting.

  • Christopher Schwinger

    Responding to Path:

    I guess Keyes isn’t in jail any longer. http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/3914010319.html
    It’s an awful breach against our Bill of Rights (freedom of assembly).

  • Bill Hedges

    “Note to Joe: Don’t reveal top-secret secrets”

    “Oh, Joe. Again? Really?”

    “According to Newsweek’s Eleanor Clift, Vice President Biden’s famously loose lips loosed top-secret info about the location of the VP’s secret bunker. (Guess what? It’s in the basement of his house.)”

    Using Path (?) colorful word

    “Moron”

  • Bill Hedges
  • Path

    “It’s an awful breach against our Bill of Rights (freedom of assembly).”

    So you’re saying we have the right to assembly where ever and whenever we want? And a private institution can’t stop that?

    Since the right seems new to the protest scene look up the term “Free speech zone” and then get outraged

    And bill people have been talking about that bunker for years when neighbors started complaining about loud underground work being done. Anyways his office came out with a press release saying “that he simply described an upstairs workspace that was converted into a guestroom when the Bidens moved in. No security gaffe”

  • I am completely shocked that after Roe v. Wade in 1973, that “we” as a society are still debating this issue. This case was a landmark in a nation which gave women the right to abort or not.

    First Amendment, freedom of religion. Perhaps not everyone is practicing a religion that was instilled upon them. It isn’t ANYO
    NE’S business as to “why” a woman would ever want to terminate their pregnancy. The “law of this land, the land of the free”, gave women the right to choose and to their privacy.

    I don’t want to live anywhere where I can’t choose what to do with my pregnancy. The fact is, a lot of people are careless. It isn’t just women. It takes two to “tango”.

    Roe v. Wade, states the obvious. Abortion is legal up until the point where the pregnancy is viable. After the fetus is viable, then it is a life.

  • Bill Hedges

    “Obama Warns Of “Unsustainable” Deficits And Spiraling Obama Warns Of “Unsustainable” Deficits And Spiraling Interest”

    “Bloomberg: “We can’t keep on just borrowing from China,” Obama said at a town-hall meeting in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, outside Albuquerque. “We have to pay interest on that debt, and that means we are mortgaging our children’s future with more and more debt.”

    “Holders of U.S. debt will eventually “get tired” of buying it, causing interest rates on everything from auto loans to home mortgages to increase, Obama said. “It will have a dampening effect on our economy.”

    “The bad news is that Obama’s solution most likely revolves around higher taxes, a strategy that’s not only likely to depress growth, but one that probably won’t close the gap as much as the government thinks it will.”

    “As it is, the government has all kinds of new spending increases on the way in areas like healthcare, the second stimulus, the further bailouts, etc. Any plans to cut spending appear to be pretty minimal. Now granted, it’s not like the rich can’t afford to pay higher taxes. Paying what they did under the Clinton administration isn’t some form of socialism or class warfare. But the economy’s changed in big ways, and one of those has been the violent collapse of many of the formerly rich (aka: high tax bracket folks). And though the government will keep looking for places to hoover up dollars (offshore earnings, carried interest, cap & trade, a traders tax) it’s unlikely to add up to enough, especially as each one has its own depressing effect.”

    “Still, we appreciate the concern. Our question is: If (if) the tax revenues don’t come in as planned, will there be any willingness to cut spending so as not to mortgage our children’s future?”

    “Bloomberg: “We can’t keep on just borrowing from China,” Obama said at a town-hall meeting in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, outside Albuquerque. “We have to pay interest on that debt, and that means we are mortgaging our children’s future with more and more debt.”

    “Holders of U.S. debt will eventually “get tired” of buying it, causing interest rates on everything from auto loans to home mortgages to increase, Obama said. “It will have a dampening effect on our economy.”

    “The bad news is that Obama’s solution most likely revolves around higher taxes, a strategy that’s not only likely to depress growth, but one that probably won’t close the gap as much as the government thinks it will.”

    “As it is, the government has all kinds of new spending increases on the way in areas like healthcare, the second stimulus, the further bailouts, etc. Any plans to cut spending appear to be pretty minimal. Now granted, it’s not like the rich can’t afford to pay higher taxes. Paying what they did under the Clinton administration isn’t some form of socialism or class warfare. But the economy’s changed in big ways, and one of those has been the violent collapse of many of the formerly rich (aka: high tax bracket folks). And though the government will keep looking for places to hoover up dollars (offshore earnings, carried interest, cap & trade, a traders tax) it’s unlikely to add up to enough, especially as each one has its own depressing effect.”

    “Still, we appreciate the concern. Our question is: If (if) the tax revenues don’t come in as planned, will there be any willingness to cut spending so as not to mortgage our children’s future?”
    …..

    “Obama’s debt could prove dangerous”

    Robert J. Samuelson

    NEWSWEEK
    2:00 a.m. May 18, 2009
    “Just how much government debt does a president have to endorse before he’s labeled “irresponsible”? Well, apparently much more than the massive amounts envisioned by President Obama. The final version of his 2010 budget, released last week, is a case study in political expediency and economic gambling.”

  • Bill Hedges
  • D.D.Mao

    Bill……Good pickup on that Bloomberg piece.The liberal MSM seems to have ignored it.

    Christopher……..The left ignores any permits and is outraged with police action when the right of Freedom to Assemble is involved with protesting capitalist organizations.You see right and wrong is subjective to them and the subordination of morality is simply based on the individuals earthly judgements.

  • Path

    “The liberal MSM seems to have ignored it.”

    You mean Bloomberg News? Owned by Michael Bloomberg; the very progressive Democratic Mayor of New York City? That was punished in the UK for have a pro-Labour Party bias in 2005 Right

    Anyways notice the qualifier “could” in the title. It is just a guy’s opinion in an op-ed. He didn’t even offer any facts or statistics.

    “The left ignores any permits and is outraged with police action”

    The ones getting arrested usually plan on it. It’s part of civil disobedience. Laws written by man are not always just so we have a responsibility to try to change it if we see it. It seems like Chris was the one outraged here. But it happens on both sides. That’s why they usually just hold them for less than 24 hours and then have them released.

  • D.D.Mao

    Path……..Outside of Bloomberg where else did this story showup? Thats right …..nowhere else in the liberal media,not the New York Times not in the Washington Com-Post nowhere!The title of the Bloomberg piece was “Obama Warns of Unsustainable Deficits and Spiraling Interest”and quoted the President during a speech he made.You ignore the facts you don’t find conveinent anyway so why waste time.

    “Laws written by man are not always just so we have a responsibility to change it if we see it.”…..Path.

    You must be joking? You have the RIGHT TO TAKE THE LAW INTO YOUR OWN HANDS BECAUSE YOU DON’T AGREE WITH IT? That would explain how YOUR PRESIDENT FEELS HE HAS THE RIGHT TO REMAKE AMERICA AND IGNORE THE CONSTITUTION.Something the left in this country seems to convienently forget in their enlightened attitude is FREEDOM ISN’T THE ABSENCE OF LAW FREEDOM REQUIRES THE RULE OF LAW.

  • Bill Hedges

    Path ?

    Good attempt to try to cover for Bidin. I am still wanting to watch FDR’s fireside chats on TV. The guy just keeps giving does’t he. Unlike Palin, Bidin has been cracking up longer than Palin has been alive

    Using your coloriful words, Bidin is a

    “Senile old man”
    …..

    Made mistake, put “i” in Biden name. Palin has a “i”. Honest mistake consering LIBERAL’s views

  • Bill Hedges

    DDMao

    Thanks. Was considering California highest taxes, highest debt,controled by Unions, and near bankruptcy. Comparing that to Obama.

    Found if I write too many articles gives bones to many choices and easier for him to pick and choice agrument, read up Obama’s stance, then babble that out
    …..

    Excuss me, Path

  • “I am completely shocked that after Roe v. Wade in 1973, that “we” as a society are still debating this issue. This case was a landmark in a nation which gave women the right to abort or not.”

    Maybe we’re still debating this issue because you’re casually speaking of denying basic human rights to a child because it’s inconvenient for you. Maybe it’s being discussed because Roe v. Wade was bad law and will be overturned someday to give some justice to millions of babies killed since that abysmal decision.

    Roe v. Wade did not liberate women, rather it was a change to deny human rights to the unborn.

    “The fact is, a lot of people are careless. It isn’t just women. It takes two to “tango”.”

    So yet again, if someone is careless then they get to “terminate” their baby? That’s pretty sad considering the baby has no choice in the matter.

    Also, if men had the ability to get pregnant and commit abortions, I’d be chiding them as well. As such, I will just chide men who are careless and then want their girlfriend to have an abortion because they were too stupid.

  • Bill Hedges

    DDMao

    Almost wrote about New York Times article that did not get wrote. About Acorn and Obama. Maybe Path ? can give Liberalism response without my wasting my time writing comment. Am sure Path has resource for “set answers” for O’Reilly Factor show last night. .

  • Bill Hedges

    I remember as a kid taking my broken bike to blacksmith to fix. Back then our “possessions” was fixed and not discarded.

    My father, who was a funeral director, found homes for unwanted children. Was illegal but accepted as necessary by the community.

    History was “Billy the kid” came to Crocker to visit family . He behaved himself and was left alone.

    A pedophile barber was told to stop. He did not. He was permanently stopped by the locals. No trial

    A new born baby would not be left on table to die if Obama gets his way. Like my bike situation would be taken care of the right way. Old fashion German morals.

    Is why we call it “the good old days”

  • D.D.Mao

    Nate…….We can only hope that in the near future abortion will be held in the same regard as slavery is held today.It’s a bad law which denies basic human rights simply in effect for the convienance of others.

    However the President says he will determine his Supreme Court nomination based not on a candidate who will follow the Constitution and the rule of law but a judge who should espouse feelings on what it is to be black,poor and is intent on interposing other nations laws in his rulings.This does not bode well.

    “Government exist to protect us from each other.Where government has gone beyond it’s limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.”…..Ronald Reagan

  • Path

    “not the New York Times not in the Washington Com-Post nowhere!”

    Do you actually read any of those? NYT had an article back in January titled “China Losing Taste for Debt From U.S.”.

    “The title of the Bloomberg piece was “Obama Warns of Unsustainable Deficits and Spiraling Interest”and quoted the President during a speech he made.”

    The title I was pointing to was “Obama’s debt could prove dangerous” He doesn’t prove anything.

    “You have the RIGHT TO TAKE THE LAW INTO YOUR OWN HANDS BECAUSE YOU DON’T AGREE WITH IT?”

    So you would side with King George during the revolutionary war? You would side with the plantation owners during slavery? You would side with the British during Gandhi’s fight for India’s independence? You would side with the police during the Selma to Montgomery marches? History is full of people going against the authority to make things right. And you would just sit on the sideline?

    Bill, “Good attempt to try to cover for Bidin.”

    It’s just the facts. He didn’t revel secret information.

    “The guy just keeps giving doesn’t he. Unlike Palin, Bidin has been cracking up longer than Palin has been alive”

    That’s all you got? Do you remember the last president we had? At lest we got a president smarter than the vice-president. And palin is no longer in the spotlight unfortunately. That’s why I hope she runs in ’12.

    “the President says he will determine his Supreme Court nomination based not on a candidate who will follow the Constitution and the rule of law”

    When did he say that? here’s a quote I got from Obama:
    “I will seek somebody who is dedicated to the rule of law, who honors our constitutional traditions, who respects the integrity of the judicial process and the appropriate limits of the judicial role. I will seek somebody who shares my respect for constitutional values on which this nation was founded and who brings a thoughtful understanding of how to apply them in our time.”

    But I’m sure you would know more than a constitutional law professor. Right…

  • Bill Hedges

    “So you would side with King George during the revolutionary war? ”

    Did I say that ???

    “So you would side with King George during the revolutionary war? You would side with the plantation owners during slavery? You would side with the British during Gandhi’s fight for India’s independence? You would side with the police during the Selma to Montgomery marches? History is full of people going against the authority to make things right. And you would just sit on the sideline?”

    RANT

    “But I’m sure you would know more than a constitutional law professor. Right…”

    RANT

  • Path

    I quoted Mao

  • Bill Hedges

    Cool…..

    Show the ” ” with Mao name attached

  • Bill Hedges

    from 157pm comment

  • Path

    “You have the RIGHT TO TAKE THE LAW INTO YOUR OWN HANDS BECAUSE YOU DON’T AGREE WITH IT?”

    So you would side with King George during the revolutionary war? You would side with the plantation owners during slavery? You would side with the British during Gandhi’s fight for India’s independence? You would side with the police during the Selma to Montgomery marches? History is full of people going against the authority to make things right. And you would just sit on the sideline?

    I figured people on here would be smart enough to know who I was talking to. I guess not

  • Bill Hedges

    “I figured”

    Don’t..When talking to more than one person in comment, need to be specific to stop confussion. Illogical, right ?

  • D.D.Mao

    Path ……..We aren’t talking about the past here in regard to UNSUSTAINABLE DEFICIT SPENDING BUT SOMETHING THE “PRESIDENT HIMSELF” SAID THIS PAST WEEK.Do a google search and the only one who mentioned it this past week was Bloomberg.Theres nothing difficult about that.

    “So you would side with King George……”….Path

    We aren’t talking about overthrowing the government when we demonstrate.Although the liberal left and the DHS would have America think so by their prattle.We didn’t cause 12 million dollars in damage when we protest either(like the left did in Seattle) you see we believe in the “RULE OF LAW”.If we WANT A LAW CHANGED WE ARE MATURE AND EDUCATED ENOUGH to realize the proper way of going about it.NOT DEMONSTRATIONS NOR THRU LIBERAL JUDGES!

    AS far as what YOUR PRESIDENT SAID IN REGARD TO A SUPREME COURT JUDGE all you have to do is go to:

    http://www.judicialwatchnetwork.com

    for EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID.

    I don’t have to know more than a Constitutional law professor to form an opinion just read something more than the sanctimonious schmaltz the administration and the tin foil hat society wants you to believe.But then as you admitted about yourself “I DON’T THINK”.

  • Path

    quote
    response

    Whats so hard to understand? Do you forget what you write?

  • Bill Hedges

    Uderstand, no. Rant instead, yes

  • Path

    Is that the best you have?

  • Path

    MAO,
    “SAID THIS PAST WEEK.Do a google search and the only one who mentioned it this past week was Bloomberg.”

    Looks like Newsweek did. And that’s not Obama’s first time talking about the deficit. If you actually listened to him you would understand.

    “We aren’t talking about overthrowing the government when we demonstrate.”

    Sometimes in order to form a more perfect Union…Anyways no one is talking about overthrowing the governemt except maybe rick perry. History is full of examples of people resisting unjust laws in the face of a stronger authority.

    “Although the liberal left and the DHS would have America think so by their prattle”

    You mean the tea baggers? Even Sheppard Smith at Fox News proved that wrong.

    “We didn’t cause 12 million dollars in damage when we protest either”

    No the right just blows up abortion clinics and makes a hit list of doctors. See I can generalize too

    “If we WANT A LAW CHANGED WE ARE MATURE AND EDUCATED ENOUGH to realize the proper way of going about it.”

    Sometimes demonstrations are necessary to prove to people why something is unjust. The civil rights movement is a good example. The abortion people at Notre Dame are doing the same thing. I don’t agree with them but I respect it. Sometimes just writing a letter to a congress person isn’t enough.

    The link you posted does not work. So I just found the entire quote off yahoo:

    “Now, the process of selecting someone to replace Justice (David) Souter is among my most serious responsibilities as president, so I will seek somebody with a sharp and independent mind and a record of excellence and integrity. I will seek someone who understands that justice isn’t about some abstract legal theory or footnote in a casebook; it is also about how our laws affect the daily realities of people’s lives, whether they can make a living and care for their families, whether they feel safe in their homes and welcome in their own nation. I view that quality of empathy, of understanding and identifying with people’s hopes and struggles, as an essential ingredient for arriving at just decisions and outcomes. I will seek somebody who is dedicated to the rule of law, who honors our constitutional traditions, who respects the integrity of the judicial process and the appropriate limits of the judicial role. I will seek somebody who shares my respect for constitutional values on which this nation was founded and who brings a thoughtful understanding of how to apply them in our time.”

    So where does he claim that he doesn’t want them follow the Constitution and the rule of law?

  • D.D.Mao
  • Bill Hedges

    Path

    Haven’t got Obamaite offical respnse yet for newest Nate article ?

    Here is latest email I got. Should give you hours of fun.

    Inquiring minds want to know This is so simple, I wonder why no one thought of this before . . .

    While having little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue,
    Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question:
    What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi ?
    How did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981,
    without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with
    the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later? And once he was on a plane,
    shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi,
    what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?
    The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions,
    they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one.
    Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
    A: Yes, by his own admission.

    Q: What passport did he travel under?
    A: There are only 3-possibilities: he traveled with a
    U.S. passport, a British passport, or with an Indonesian passport.

    Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. passport in 1981?
    A: No. It is not possible.
    Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.

    Conclusion:
    When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling
    either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
    If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof
    that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims.
    And if he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to
    prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British
    or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.
    Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how
    he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008.
    Given the destructive nature of his plans for America – as illustrated by his speech
    before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress
    – the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

    Count me in as one of those inquiring minds who’d at least like to know the answers
    to these easily answered (by Obama) questions

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    for information click on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul Alinsky

    Organizing For Mass Power – “Rules for Radicals” founded by Saul Alinsky

    Saul Alinsky’s school is located in Chicago IL
    For years, Obama attend his school
    Hillary wrote here thesis in college

    Some group financed Obama for years
    Obama was primed to become US President

    He was trained at Saul Alisnky Institute
    for ‘mass power’ and own

    associated himself with shady people
    ACORN got Obama the millions of votes
    to become President

  • Bill Hedges

    Biden Reveals Location of Top Secret V.P. Hideout
    NY Mag ^ | 5/18/09 | staff

    Posted on Monday, May 18, 2009 12:41:50 PM by pissant

    “Joe Biden let slip the “undisclosed location” where Dick Cheney hid out in the hours after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 to his tablemates during the Gridiron dinner earlier this year. According to Newsweek’s Eleanor Clift:”

    “The veep related the story to his head-table dinner mates when he filled in for President Obama at the Gridiron Club earlier this year. He said the young naval officer giving him a tour of the [vice-presidential residence at the Naval Observatory] showed him the hideaway, which is behind a massive steel door secured by an elaborate lock with a narrow connecting hallway lined with shelves filled with communications equipment. The officer explained that when Cheney was in lock down, this was where his most trusted aides were stationed, an image that Biden conveyed in a way that suggested we shouldn’t be surprised that the policies that emerged were off the wall”.

  • Bill Hedges
  • Path

    Mao why do you think empathy and dedication to the rule of law have to be mutual exclusive? When a case gets all the way up to the Supreme Court usually both sides have a legal standing. That’s why we have judges to figure out justice. To do that empty is ONE of the tools a judge can use.

    And bill there is no point responding to a random e-mail you got. Obama is an American get over it. Or do you think Hawaii’s Health Department is in on some kind of global conspiracy?

  • D.D.Mao

    Path ……..I did respond to your earlier post but it doesn’t seem to have gone through.I’m a little tight for time so I’l go over my thoughts again quick.

    No the rule of law and empathy shouldn’t be considered together when it gets to the level of the Supreme Court.Judges are supposed to determine on the merits of the case against the legal framework of the law.If it is determined against emotions (in any respect)the other side isn’t getting the full satisfation of an impartial justice system but is dealing with issues that would weigh the courts opinion heavier in one direction.Lady justice wears a blindfold for a reason to symbolize impartiality and the scales of justice symbolize each side will be weighed on it’s merit.Neither of these would be needed if we go on emotions and justice…true impartial justice wouldn’t be done.THERE IS NO PLACE FOR THIS IN OUR LEGAL SYSTEM UNLESS YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE FRENCH REVOLUTION WHERE THEY CONDEMNED THE BOURGEOIS JUST FOR THE CRIME OF BEING A CAPITALIST.This happens all to often when a corporation is being sued the judge says they can afford it so all that needs to be determined is the amount.

    Of course in a very minor or first offense (in the local courts)the court could use it’s power to determine a suspended sentence or probation.I’m not that much of a hard ass !

    As I said I have to run…………….DDM

  • Bill Hedges

    DDMao

    “.Judges are supposed to determine on the merits of the case against the legal framework of the law”

    100% Right

    “Of course in a very minor or first offense (in the local courts)the court could use it’s power to determine a suspended sentence or probation.I’m not that much of a hard ass ”

    I agree

    In the few courses I took that is what was said.

    I have had comments with links take 6 hours during working hours. I like to separate comment from links

  • Path

    Mao, Np that sort of thing happens to me all the time too. But to the point. Obama never said Empathy was the only characteristic he was looking for. Empathy does not mean ruling cases on emotion alone. Its about seeing all sides of the issue. Supreme Court cases never have clear cut answerers. The world isn’t always black and white We have over 200 years of legal president they have to weigh in too. Its part of being a judge. You seem to be arguing more for a judicial solipsism.

  • D.D.Mao

    Path……..Here’s an opinion piece which adds more thought to the arguement and you can think about.It’s by Jeff Jacoby of the Boston Globe(hardly a conservative paper) entitled “Lady Justice Blindfolded.It can be found at:

    http://www.patriotpost.us/opinion/jeff-jacoby/2009/05/11/lady-justice-blindfold.html

    No the world isn’t black and white and we should look at all sides of the arguement.With that said I don’t think it’s “judicial solipsism” as much it is judicial solitude that I think should be used as the precedent.Emotion has no place in our justice system.

  • D.D.Mao

    Path…..Once again my fingers don’t do what they should.Here’s the site I refered to in my 9:09 PM post.

    http://www.patriotpost.us/opinion/jeff-jacoby/2009/05/11/lady-justices-blindfold.html

  • Path

    I think we disagree what empathy means then. It doesn’t mean judge would rule in my favor just because I’m poor and black or if I was a rich business owner. Empathy means they could see all sides of the case and know what to do. sound judgment is based upon considering all possible information that is available, rather than discarding observations or feelings that aren’t strictly reason-based. Furthermore, having a feeling doesn’t mean that you must act on it either. Just being able to recognize it. A judges job is hard its naive to think they would be able to step back and strip the mind of unconscious and emotional influences.

    Anyways empathy was one quality on a list of 10 or so. Got a problem with any of the others?

  • D.D.Mao

    Path……When the president says he wants a judge to take into consideration or have empathy for the poor,black etc. just what do you think he means but to take this into special effect? If he didn’t want that and only wanted the justices to look at “ALL SIDES OF THE CASE” he wouldn’t have to specify these specific characteristics of the defendants.Judges especially ones who get to the level of the Supreme Court KNOW TO LOOK AT ALL SIDES OF A CASE THEY DON’T NEED TO BE TOLD UNLESS THEY ARE BEING INSTRUCTED TO LOOK FOR SOMETHING ELSE.A perfect example is Congress asking a candidate for the Supreme Court if they are Pro-choice? They base their vote of his nomination to the Court on his answer.

    “Furthermore having a feeling doesn’t mean that you must act on it either.Just being able to reconize it.A judges job is hard it’s naive to think they would be able to step back and strip the mind of unconscious and emotional influences.”……Path

    Not only do I BELIEVE IT’S POSSIBLE FOR A JUDGE TO STEP BACK AND STRIP THE MIND OF UNCONSCIOUS EMOTIONAL INFLUENCES BUT JUDGES INSTRUCT JURIES TO DISREGARD TESTIMONY BECAUSE IT’S OPINION AND INFLUENCES THEIR DETERMINING A FAIR OUTCOME.

    RULE OF LAW IS BASED ON LOGIC AND FACTS NOT EMOTIONS….BUT THE LEFT BASES IT’S LOGIC ON ALL LEVELS STRICTLY ON EMOTIONS.

  • D.D.Mao

    “Anyways empathy was one quality on a list of ten or so.Got a problem with any of the others.”………Path

    As a matter of fact I do.It’s the cockamamie idea that INTERNATIONAL LAW SHOULD HAVE CONSIDERATION ON THE SAME PLANE AS OUR LAWS.President Obama nominated Harold Koh to be the State Departments Legal Advisor on the 23rd of March.Mr. Koh stated that he “ACCEPTS INTERNATIONAL LAW WHEN DELIBERATING CASES”.Seeing that he will be involved with legal negotiations concerning treaties and U.N. conferences this SHOULD HAVE NO PLACE IN PROTECTING THE SOVEREINGNTY OF AMERICA.FOREIGN LAWS AND THE POLITICIANS WHO DREW THEM UP WERE NOT ELECTED BY NOR CAN NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.The European Union is finding this out when they accepted free access to immigrants among members along with trade and many other issues.But like health care the American left is hellbent on MIRRORING EUROPE AND ALL THEIR MISTAKES.

  • As far as Bill’s comment of infanticide. How much different is it from a order of DNR. Though we are supposed to accept implied consent for care, ultimately it is the parent or legal guardian o make decisions on health care decisions. If the mother does not want measures taken to sustain the infants life than health care officials mus comply with the mothers decision. As ugly as that may seem it happens all the time with infants/children/adults/elderly. There are even times when I have seen a patient have a health care surrogate form filled out and the surrogate, usually one o the patients children has a DNR (Do Not resuscitate) and the patient ends up wanting to change their mind but can not because they have already signed a form stating the child legally makes all decisions.

    Not that I am all for killing babies, but if the mother doesn’t want it, chances are slim finding someone who will take well enough care of it, especially in cases of drug abuse by the birthing mother. Those children are extremely difficult to manage even for health care professionals let alone an adopting family.

  • Oh yea, I am pro-choice and have paid for two abortions, so rant away. I used to be pro-life which is why I have an 8 year old daughter who’s mother wanted to abort her and I, at the time, did not believe in abortion. Since then had met a young girl that I did not believe should have a child yet, as I had one, and saw how difficult it was being a parent at such a young age and maintain full time work and full time college education.

    I admit I was at fault for not preventing the impregnating of this girl and in the past 6 years we have been careful enough to not make that same mistake a 4rd time. We have been together 8 years now. 🙂

    We also agreed that if we are again not careful and she becomes pregnant we would either own up and raise that child or search diligently for a family who has failed at having their own children and whom are interested in adopting. Although we feel this way about our own life, I still stand pro-choice. Sometimes it’s likely in the unborn child’s interest to simply not be brought into this crappy world we live in.

  • “Oh yea, I am pro-choice and have paid for two abortions, so rant away.”

    That’s between you and God to sort out.

    “Not that I am all for killing babies, but if the mother doesn’t want it, chances are slim finding someone who will take well enough care of it, especially in cases of drug abuse by the birthing mother.”

    So if the mother doesn’t want it, we can just kill it then? Seems convenient, and a sick disregard for human life.