Obama, like Bush, asks for major wartime funding

The liberals in this country has been screaming for years about the cost of the War on Terror, namely the war in Iraq specifically. Well, as could be foreseen, President Obama now finds himself in the exact place President Bush has been time and time again, asking congress for nearly $100 bill to continue funding the War on Terror in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Reuters reports:

WASHINGTON, April 9 (Reuters) – President Barack Obama asked the U.S. Congress for an additional $83.4 billion to fund the military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan on Thursday, saying the security situation along the Afghan-Pakistan frontier was urgent.

“The Taliban is resurgent and al Qaeda threatens America from its safe haven along the Afghan-Pakistan border,” Obama said in a letter to Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the House of Representatives, that was released by the White House.

Obama said 95 percent of the $83.4 billion in supplemental funds he was requesting would go to support U.S. military operations in Iraq and the U.S. effort to disrupt and defeat al Qaeda.

Let me guess. I’m betting the same Democrats who criticized Bush for spending billions on these wars will probably give Obama a pass because, well, he’s Obama!

The Associated With Obama Press took a look back at how Obama has voted in the past on war spending bills:

Major war-funding legislation while Barack Obama was in the Senate, and how he voted:

-May 2005: Congress approved an $82 billion bill to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and international anti-terrorism efforts. Obama voted yes.

-June 2006: Congress cleared a $94.5 billion bill to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as provide aid to hurricane victims. Obama voted yes.

-September 2006: Congress cleared a $448 billion Pentagon funding bill that included $70 billion for U.S. military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama voted yes.

-April 2007: Congress cleared a $124 billion spending bill that provided $90 billion for war costs but mandated the withdrawal of U.S. troops within six months. Obama voted yes, but President George W. Bush vetoed the legislation.

-May 2007: Congress approved a roughly $100 billion spending measure to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and domestic projects, including hurricane relief. Obama voted no.

_December 2007: Congress cleared a $555 billion catchall spending bill that included $70 billion for U.S. military action in Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama did not vote.

-June 2008: Congress approved a measure to spend $162 billion for war costs as well as provide a 13-week extension of unemployment benefits and emergency relief for the flood-ravaged Midwest. Obama voted yes.

It appears that up until May of 2007, Obama was voting with President Bush to continue funding the wars he said were a waste during his presidential campaign.

It’s a mixed past though Obama generally has supported much more war funding than he’s opposed. Wonder how this latest request will square with his loony liberal base.

I’m actually quite pleased that Obama has changed his campaign tune slightly and sees the need for victory in Iraq and ensuring that those who died have not died in vain by retreating.

  • bones

    I don’t know about anyone else, but he’ll hear no objection from me. Bush started the two wars Obama is struggling to finish. One of those wars was begun under blatantly false pretenses.

    People get upset when a man keeps asking for money to clean up the messes he’s made. I’ve got significantly more sympathy for the man charged to resolve things as best he can. I never wanted us to leave the middle east worse than when we came, if Obama can spare us that shame I’m nothing but grateful

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    WMD was used in Iraq on Dictator’s own people. Yes information given to Bush of nuclear is not supported. Can happen to any President. U.N. and Congress approved. Congress approved each budget for war, including enlarging troup levels after nuclear not found

    Bad War. No. Bush started war. Techanically. With a lot of help.

  • bones

    There are some mistakes of such a great magnitude that there is no excuse, just sincere apology. Saying that just about anyone could have made the same mistake can’t excuse it for me. Mistakes that topple nations and cost men, women, and children their lives are unacceptable mistakes Bill. Whether the situation, in the end, turns out for the better or for the worse, the magnitude of that mistake itself cannot be excused. We cannot afford to make a mistake like that ever again.

    But I want to put that aside, because this is an old issue and not what I meant to be revisiting. My point was simply that the actions of Obama and Bush may have their parallels, but they are also in two very different situations. It’s irrational to believe this should not be taken into account when evaluating their actions.

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    “I’ve got significantly more sympathy for the man charged to resolve things as best he can. I never wanted us to leave the middle east worse than when we came, if Obama can spare us that shame I’m nothing but grateful ”

    We went to war in Iraq where how many citizens were killed by WMD. Was is not 100,000’s ? Oil was bleed off by Dictator with no benefit to the people. Living condtions poor. Female could be killed for no cause.

    Today, conditions are better thanks to our brave soilders. I doubt any woman there is not thankful. There are at least some improved women rights. Not considering the value of stabilty in the rich oil region, human sufferage is a noble cause. Through out our history we have fought wars for others.

    Note_Obama was against the build up, which lead to the success we now have

    The other war was supported by Obama. Lest we forget.

    In many respects these two wars have done much good. I did not speak of terrorism or drugs. Or possible further attempts Dictator might have to wage war with neighbors. Or kill more of his citizens.

  • bones

    Bill, I do hope that by the time we leave Iraq, both of our countries will be satisfied that the outcome has been worth it. But my point really has nothing to do with whether the war was right or wrong, or whether I think we will ultimately do good or leave in failure. That’s really not the point.

    The point of all this is simply that people who were upset by Bush’s war spending may be less upset by Obama’s war spending – even if it is for the same amount or more – because their two situations are not directly comparable. This article here would seem to imply that people who condemned Bush’s war spending are hypocrites if they don’t condemn Obama’s as well. I just don’t see why that’s true.

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    “There are some mistakes of such a great magnitude that there is no excuse, just sincere apology. Saying that just about anyone could have made the same mistake can’t excuse it for me. Mistakes that topple nations and cost men, women, and children their lives are unacceptable mistakes Bill. Whether the situation, in the end, turns out for the better or for the worse, the magnitude of that mistake itself cannot be excused. We cannot afford to make a mistake like that ever again”

    And yet we white-wash Obama’s mistakes every day. But “Saying that just about anyone could have made the same mistake can’t excuse it for me.” won’t hold water for Bush ?

    ” Whether the situation, in the end, turns out for the better or for the worse, the magnitude of that mistake itself cannot be excused. We cannot afford to make a mistake like that ever again”

    Oh but it will. We can learn from our past… Wait. Note_past not important. Remember Obama past, not important !

    ” My point was simply that the actions of Obama and Bush may have their parallels, but they are also in two very different situations. It’s irrational to believe this should not be taken into account when evaluating their actions”.

    Yes, they are in different situation.

    My point is this_Expect me to respond to bad remarks about Bush. He is not God and made mistakes. I can do nothing about Jay Leon’s cheap shots at Bush. Here I can answer what I feel are unfair remarks against Bush.

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    “The point of all this is simply that people who were upset by Bush’s war spending may be less upset by Obama’s war spending – even if it is for the same amount or more – because their two situations are not directly comparable. This article here would seem to imply that people who condemned Bush’s war spending are hypocrites if they don’t condemn Obama’s as well. I just don’t see why that’s true.”

    “Imply”. A very nasty dirty word. An excuss to change the written words in front of your face. I don’t think I use it. I prey I never do.

    My advise, ask Nate first, what he meant.

    I suggest you ask writer for clarity. Many fights in bars begin with misunderstanding

  • bones

    Sorry Bill, I said ‘imply’ but really the article outright states it

    ‘Let me guess. I’m betting the same Democrats who criticized Bush for spending billions on these wars will probably give Obama a pass because, well, he’s Obama!’

  • bones

    “And yet we white-wash Obama’s mistakes every day. But “Saying that just about anyone could have made the same mistake can’t excuse it for me.” won’t hold water for Bush ?”

    I try not to white wash anyone’s mistakes, but I also try not to be too harsh in holding it against them, because I make them all the time. However, mistakes that cost lives are in a class of their own.

    This is recognized by our courts, because if I make a mistake that costs lives it’s call manslaughter and I could go to prison. Those sort of mistakes may be forgivable (I am a forgiving person), but they are not acceptable. I don’t believe he should be prosecuted or anything like that. I just know that in most sectors, a mistake like that will lose you your job.

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    I am not a writing by no meams, but
    ….
    Sorry Bill, I said ‘imply’ but really the article outright states it

    ‘Let me guess. I’m betting the same Democrats who criticized Bush for spending billions on these wars will probably give Obama a pass because, well, he’s Obama!’
    ….

    What I enclosed, Well. Nate says “betting” which is a “wager” and not a sure thing. No not same thing as.

    Here is what you said_

    “Sorry Bill, I said ‘imply’ but really the article outright states it

    ‘Let me guess. I’m betting the same Democrats who criticized Bush for spending billions on these wars will probably give Obama a pass because, well, he’s Obama!’

    This is not “outright state”. Nate is “betting”. Not same.

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    “However, mistakes that cost lives are in a class of their own.”

    I will only say UN approved, Congress passed each budget and increased troups,and other Nations joined us. Many differ with you view that it was mistake.

  • bones

    I think there’s a differentiation to be made between a mistake and an action that one does not regret. Few people dispute that great mistakes were made. Some just think that the actions turned out for the best, despite those mistakes

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    “an action that one does not regret”

    With that added, I can accept.

    Bush honestly believed because of Iraq refusing and running UN inspectors in circles along with intellegents reports that Iraq had Nuclear. As such, his actions were proper.

  • D.D.Mao

    bones………Here once again you give an opinion and don’t give any reason or cause. At 3:43 your post stated “…because their two situations are not directly comparable”.How are they not comparable? If you say because President Obam inherited this war….yes he did but he also promised during the campaign to bring our troops home and now he’s decided to stay the course.Thus there is no difference.

    Pssssst there was a law passed which holds any decision by a President from being indicted. Just thought I’d tell you since you don’y know the constitution

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    When you try to tie socialist ideas to Constitution, quote “verse” from Constitution. Most Conservatives hold their Constitution close to their heart. You will be called to show proof if not common knowledge. And many know their Consttution

    Your socalist progran SOCIAL SECURITY now has more money going “out” than coming “in”.

  • Christopher Schwinger

    Partisan politics remain strong! If a Democrat does it, the media likes it. If a Republican does it, the media demonizes it, for the most part. And if a person is trying to speak common sense outside party lines, he’s ignored!

  • Bill Hedges

    Christopher

    How true. Have you watched Fox news. Do you find it fair ?

  • bones

    DD, I don’t believe I’ve gone out of my way to insult you. If I have, I apologize. I’m fairly certain that you’re my elder and a veteran, and I have enormous respect for that. A man who has put his life on the line to preserve our way of life is not anyone I desire to insult. But I think the gradual inclusion of insults in our conversation means that reasonable discussion is unlikely.

    If you desire to engage in reasoned discussion with me, stop insulting me and I will respond in kind. I’ll even try to cut out the sarcasm (which I’m afraid is a habit of mine). Until then, be well.

  • bones

    Bill, I’ll see if I can clarify what I’m saying. I don’t honestly believe this country is a socialist haven. But I also don’t believe ‘socialized medicine’ is a move toward becoming a communist nation. I don’t see why it’s any more socialist than poison control. But I keep hearing government funded healthcare called ‘socialized medicine’ – it’s had that label since long before Obama came along.

    What I would like to know is why the government-funded police force is capitalism and yet government funded medical care is socialism. It seems to me that either they must both be socialism or neither are. What separates them? What makes one capitalism and the other socialism?

    I’m very skeptical that there’s any real difference at all. Frankly I think it all chalks up to partisan rhetoric, but if you think I’m wrong I’m open to understanding why.

  • D.D.Mao

    THE KABUKI CLUB IS ONCE AGAIN IN SESSION !

    I’ll take that brush-off to my 10:41 post as NO COMMENT-NO ANSWER !

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    “I’m saying is that systems just as socialist as socialized medicine are ingrained in our constitution.”

    Where is this in Constitution ?
    …..

    DDmao has supplied answers to your other questions I believe

  • bones

    Bill, what are you even asking? Are you questioning whether our constitution lays out any government services for public benefit, such as the military or our judicial system?

    Well it does, but for the sake of argument, let’s both agree that the constitution doesn’t say anything about creating a military or police force.

    Great, our forefathers were devout capitalists. Let’s work from there.

    Isn’t the military we have today taxpayer funded and government controlled? And if so, what further do you require to call something a socialist body?

    But if you wish to dismiss me because I’m not copying and pasting the constitution into this discussion, that is your prerogative.

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    I will repeat my question and add another

    “I’m saying is that systems just as socialist as socialized medicine are ingrained in our constitution.”

    Where is this in Constitution ?
    …..
    bones

    “the last president who tried to alter our nation’s constitution was George W. Bush.”

    Give facts to support statement

  • bones

    Bill, I’ll repeat my answer. Isn’t repeating ourselves fun?

    Bill, what are you even asking? Are you questioning whether our constitution lays out any government services for public benefit, such as the military or our judicial system?

    Well it does, but for the sake of argument, let’s both agree that the constitution doesn’t say anything about creating a military or police force.

    Great, our forefathers were devout capitalists. Let’s work from there.

    Isn’t the military we have today taxpayer funded and government controlled? And if so, what further do you require to call something a socialist body?

    But if you wish to dismiss me because I’m not copying and pasting the constitution into this discussion, that is your prerogative.

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    Key words__”socialized medicine” “George W. Bush”

    Not your answer key words__”military or our judicial system”

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    obviously you can not answer a simple streight forward question. Plain to any on-looker

  • Christopher Schwinger

    Responding to Bill Hedges (12:06 AM):
    I think FOX is not fair or balanced! It’s mostly commentary, like the other news channels, but I think Glenn Beck is a good asset on FOX.

  • Bill Hedges

    Christopher Schwinger

    I like Beck. I am not a fan of all people on Fox. But few I like on all other main street media. O’Reiley may be my favorite. Hannity may be tie. Ratings wise, Fox exceeds. O’reiley 100 months at top.

  • JD

    All I have to say is that Obama gets a Pass and Bush is the Devil.

    Couldn’t resist. In all seriousness, I didn’t agree with the war in Iraq but I never had a problem with Afghanistan. Still, the real question is going to be 2010 funding because Obama, even during his campaign, said he troop withdraw was going to take the better part of the 2009 year which means the funding has to be there for them while he does this.

    So yes this is somewhat inherited from Bush for the time being but it will be next year that Obama has to answer for. Troop levels will be considerably smaller in Iraq and I think the Afghan surge is only going to be for this year. Knowing the success our military has had there in the past, I think by 2010 alot will have been accomplished and a lower war request is going to be made then.

    Change doesn’t happen overnight people. 🙂

  • Bill Hedges

    Obama’s campaign promises fall as quick as a leaf off trees in fall. And Bush wisdom “rises as the Phoenix”