Shock: Just 53% Say Capitalism Better Than Socialism

In a twisted poll of American adults, a mere 53% say definitively that capitalism is better than socialism. On the one hand this shocks me. However, on the other it simply shows what happens when the media is liberal controlled and people are hammered everyday about the “greed” and injustice of capitalism instead of the countless positive things capitalism brings.

From Rasmussen Reports:

Only 53% of American adults believe capitalism is better than socialism.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 20% disagree and say socialism is better. Twenty-seven percent (27%) are not sure which is better.

Adults under 30 are essentially evenly divided: 37% prefer capitalism, 33% socialism, and 30% are undecided. Thirty-somethings are a bit more supportive of the free-enterprise approach with 49% for capitalism and 26% for socialism. Adults over 40 strongly favor capitalism, and just 13% of those older Americans believe socialism is better.

Investors by a 5-to-1 margin choose capitalism. As for those who do not invest, 40% say capitalism is better while 25% prefer socialism.

There is a partisan gap as well. Republicans – by an 11-to-1 margin – favor capitalism. Democrats are much more closely divided: Just 39% say capitalism is better while 30% prefer socialism. As for those not affiliated with either major political party, 48% say capitalism is best, and 21% opt for socialism.

The question posed by Rasmussen Reports did not define either capitalism or socialism.

It’s key that the question did not define them, simply asked people about them. I’m betting that half the population doesn’t even comprehend what socialism is or what it means. Here’s a quick lesson, think USSR and Hugo Chavez where industry is state-owned, wealth is destroyed and personal liberty is non-existent.

Socialism is a failed form of government which fails every time it’s tried. Capitalism is what has made America exceptional in wealth, freedom and opportunity.

Exit question: Surprised by this poll?

  • D.D.Mao

    The 20th century has experimented with every possible form of socialism. We had democratic Socialism in Western Europe,totalitarian socialism in Eastern Europe,and fascist socialism in South America.We had atheistic socialism and we had liberation theology.We had the scientific socialism of the Soviet central planners and the chaotic jungle socialism of the Khmer Rouge,who executed anyone with an education.We had socialism with Chinese characteristics and socialism with African characteristics and socialism with Hindu characteristics.

    WE TRIED IT ALL AND EVERY TIME IT LED TO POVERTY AND OPPRESSION.

  • JD

    I real problem is that people suggest that you either go one way or the other. Either go to socialism or capitalism. The truth remains that the answer is a mixture of both. Throw in a shot of traditionalism and you have a stable society. 🙂

  • Christopher Schwinger

    A lot of people call themselves conservatives who advocate a mix of capitalism and socialism, when in fact, they are diametrically opposed to one another.

  • JD

    Why aren’t we reporting the news on Obama’s Veteran announcement. It would be cool to see what everyone thinks about what he is looking to change.

  • bones

    It’s my impression too that the extremes of socialism and capitalism are diametrically opposed to one another. The problem with articles like this is that they drastically simplify the issue in order to be inflammatory.

    Few people actually hold to the extreme ends of these ideologies. We have the best funded government run military in the entire world – 100% socialized military – and I’ve never heard anyone cry to privatize it. But if socialism is bad for this country and proven not to work, then WE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD.

    And if socialism is bad for this country and does not work, then we need to privatize the police force and the post office. Again, I almost never hear anyone suggest we privatize these socialized programs, no matter how opposed to socialism they claim to be. Why do you think that is?

    Personally I think it’s because sometimes socialism is good for this country, and even all the people who so vehemently say we’re socialist programs will turn this country into soviet russia, well those people still want their trash picked up this week. They still want animal control to keep vicious dogs off the street.

    Even the most fiery anti-socialists aren’t advocating closing our socialist public schools. They still like our government run socialist courts and maintain socialist prisons to keep the criminals off the streets. Those people absolutely love socialism in as much as it serves their needs. They also love capitalism, in as much as it serves their needs.

    But socialism is a dirty word, so they try very hard just to have their cake, and only eat it when they think no one’s watching.

  • Bill Hedges

    Schools work real good as does socical security. And Obama wants to put us on Medicare, there is another healthy program.

  • bones

    These socialized systems all have their problems (what doesn’t) but should they be discarded in favor of privatization?

    And what about poison control? Animal control? The police? Our military (perhaps the best in the world IMHO)? Our mail service? Our court and prison systems? They’ve all got their flaws. Is privatization the answer?

    If we agree with what’s said in this article: “Socialism is a failed form of government which fails every time it’s tried. Capitalism is what has made America exceptional in wealth, freedom and opportunity.”

    You would think that privatization would be a means to significantly enhance all these socialized entities

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    As we know government has fuctions. Example military.

    “And what about poison control? Animal control? The police? Our military (perhaps the best in the world IMHO)? Our mail service? Our court and prison systems? They’ve all got their flaws. Is privatization the answer?”

    Can’t privatize military or police. Some you mentioned have partial been. Even IRS. Although I believe Obama is stopping it. Privatigation could work in many ways.

    “If we agree with what’s said in this article: “Socialism is a failed form of government which fails every time it’s tried. Capitalism is what has made America exceptional in wealth, freedom and opportunity.””

    I like what you wrote bones, except for first word. Anyone who says your statement is wrong,needs to give name of that Country that is better.

    Your last sentance may be true.

    bones, Only in utopia is their no flaws. As you mentioned some socialism exist in America. When President Putin tells America not to Socialism, he only confirms my beiefs are right.

    bones, good comment

  • Bill Hedges

    “Adults under 30 are essentially evenly divided: 37% prefer capitalism, 33% socialism, and 30% are undecided. Thirty-somethings are a bit more supportive of the free-enterprise approach with 49% for capitalism and 26% for socialism”

    College liberal teachers and main street liberal news may account for this. Pus Government pay-outs. Early 20th century immigrants were known to vote Democrat. Same seems to hold true for mexicans and our Black Americans.

    I am not discounting the validity of liberal views. Just hard for me to say with CNN and other news not being as fair and just as FOX. Which gives both sides equally. And in my opionion, covers things others do not.

  • D.D.Mao

    bones……..You need to READ THE CONSTITUTION.

    Most of the things you mentioned are in the Constitution under the First Article I believe Section 8 as to be funded by the federal government.Military,police,post office, prisons,courts etc.They made no mention of animal control or trash pickup but then thats not a federal function.England had much of their government under government control and Margaret Thatcher saw that it was PARALYZING the country so she tried to privatize as much as she could.After she left the LABOR party went back to BIG GOVERNMENT and now they are in trouble again.

    If you think socialism is so great I suggest you ask people who suffered under these regimes and are now living in the United States which system they prefer? None of their needs were satisfied ……..not medical nor shelves stocked with food.Why do the boat people of Cuba and Vietnam flee those paradises? Why did people risk getting shot to sneak through the Berlin Wall? No son you need to open your eyes and face reality.

  • bones

    Just because it’s in the constitution doesn’t mean it’s not socialism. If anything, you’re just pointing out that our forefathers believed that socialism has its place in government.

    Why is it that you interpret my words as meaning “I heart Cuban dictatorships”? I don’t want to go anywhere, I love America as it is. I’m not saying we should move toward socialism, I’m saying I’m happy with some of the socialism we’ve already got.

    I need to open my eyes? Then maybe we both should. Socialist ideas can be terrible ideas, but they are not terrible ideas just because they have the tint of socialism. I’m very happy with my trash pickup and my guess is so are you – and socialism is socialism even if it’s run by the state government instead of the feds.

    To reiterate: I’m not saying I love socialism. I’m just saying it wasn’t invented by satan, and you do yourself and everyone else a disservice by pretending it’s such a black and white issue.

  • D.D.Mao

    bones…….I can only imagine you aquired your civics lessons through our public school system which you called socialist.IF THEY ARE SOCIALIST it is because of my generation who rebelled against society back in the 60’s and are now teachers in these re-education camps.The Constitution is proof that the Founding Fathers believed a socialist system has it’s place in government”? These items in the constitution and are WHAT IS MEANT BY “LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS”and are the only functions of government.

    Sure you are saying you want socialism in our government.Are you advocating nationalized health care?How can you equate trash pickup with socialism is beyond me.First off for me we have a private contractor in our development doing the trash pickup so it is/and can be done by a private company.You meanwhile have it as a function of government due to health needs and paid by taxes.On the other hand as you can see by when government takes over control of the auto,banking and housing industry (ie: SOCIALISM)they DICTATE HOW YOU DO THINGS DOWN TO THE SMALLEST DETAIL.So when national health care does come you can expect to grab your ankles.We are not talking about trash pickup but health care,welfare,guarenteed income and the government controling your life from cradle to grave.
    I don’t know how else to tell you this but SOCIALISM WAS INVENTED BY SATAN AND IT BROUGHT NOTHING BUT POVERTY AND OPPRESSION.I have a friend who is a Brit and he tells me stories about their health care system,I worked with a gentleman who went through the re-education camps of Vietnam, and I have relatives who are Polish and they ALL SAID SOCIALISM SUX!!!
    You meanwhile have SHOWN NOTHING OF IT’S GOOD FEATURES EXCEPT YOU THINK IT’S GREAT and you do yourself a disservice by simply going on feelings and THE NAIVE IDEA it only concerns trash pickup and not realizing broader facts!

    Nikata Khrushchev’s son and Joseph Stalins grand daughter are now American citizens….DOES THAT TELL YOU SOMETHING?

  • bones

    You sound pretty angry DD. And I don’t think you’re reading my words anymore. You yourself were part of our socialist military, weren’t you? How do you feel about that? Thank you for your service, by the way, I have nothing but respect and admiration for it.

    “You meanwhile have SHOWN NOTHING OF IT’S GOOD FEATURES EXCEPT YOU THINK IT’S GREAT” Actually I think I’ve made a point of saying that I don’t think socialism is great, I just don’t think it’s evil. I think the government funds many good programs that benefit all of us through taxpayer dollars – I thought that was the essence of what you all called socialist programs.

    If we have a society where we jointly pay for police men to keep our streets and houses safe from harm, and we pay firemen to come rescue us when emergency strikes, I don’t see how either of those are less socialist than paying for doctors to tend to us when we are sick. All three of those are “crade to the grave” services. We already have two of them, which you’re not complaining about. So it seems to me that you don’t believe all socialist “cradle to the grave” services are bad.

    And if you don’t believe that, I’d appreciate it if you would stop using those terms as if they’re self-evident reasons that an idea is not a good one.

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    Are you saying our Constitution and military are socialst. If so, explain.

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    “You sound pretty angry DD. And I don’t think you’re reading my words anymore. You yourself were part of our socialist military, weren’t you?”

    I read DDMao remark that you referred to. I saw no “angry”.

    “And I don’t think you’re reading my words anymore.” I think he did and also anwered.

    DDMao will answer for himself.

    My advise is be weary of your abilities to read another person’s thoughts. Cause you can’t.

    Usually when a person says “I don’t think”, their not

  • bones

    Well Bill, I wasn’t trying to read his thoughts. Usually if people type in all caps I think of that as anger. He also keeps questioning my education, telling me I should read the constitution, and I should have paid more attention in civics, and that I haven’t thought about anything but trash pickup (which was obviously just one example I used).

    And I keep saying I don’t think socialism is particularly great, and he told me I thought socialism was great, which simply isn’t what I’ve said. So that’s why I thought he was angry and not reading my words. I apologize if that came off as offensive to DD or anyone else

  • bones

    “Are you saying our Constitution and military are socialst. If so, explain. ”

    In answer to that question Bill, what I’m saying is that systems just as socialist as socialized medicine are ingrained in our constitution. So if socialized medicine can rightly be called socialism, then we’ve already got plenty of socialism in America, and we always have.

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    “Well Bill, I wasn’t trying to read his thoughts. Usually if people type in all caps I think of that as anger”

    Again you say “I think”. I have discussed that.

    Speculation on your part about caps. I use CAPS for making a points.
    …..
    ” He also keeps questioning my education, telling me I should read the constitution, and I should have paid more attention in civics, and that I haven’t thought about anything but trash pickup (which was obviously just one example I used)”

    “And I keep saying I don’t think socialism is particularly great, and he told me I thought socialism was great, which simply isn’t what I’ve said. So that’s why I thought he was angry and not reading my words. I apologize if that came off as offensive to DD or anyone else ”

    I rather you take these questions to DDMao. Not in my pay grade to answer for him.

    …..

    I am sorry, I do not understand comment at 603.

    Please answer

    “Are you saying our Constitution and military are socialst. If so, explain. ”

  • D.D.Mao

    bones…………..You are right…..I’m questioning your education. It’s either that or you are back to your old ways of throwing grenades and seeing who you can piss off.How anyone can equate basic services that are provided by the government TO PROTECT YOU such as the military,police and fire to suckling on the government teat for life is beyond my reasoning.As I said before this is COVERED IN THE CONSTITUTION AND IS CALLED LIMITED GOVERNMENT.But then President Obama and his apostles don’t know the meaning of the Constitution since they think it’s a living document and tampered with it 4 times in the past 70 days.
    I asked you once before what you thought impressive about big government and coverage from cradle to grave and you refused to answer so I won’t waste my time again.But I’ll tell you JUST ONCE MORE SOCIALISM WAS MADE BY SATAN AND BRINGS NOTHING BUT POVERTY AND OPPRESSION AND IT’S EVIDENT TO EVERYONE WHO SUFFERED UNDER IT…..EVERY ASPECT OF IT!by you saying “I just don’t think it’s evil” YOU ARE ACCEPTING IT AS GOOD.
    I told you numerous examples of how socialism is oppressing people and ALL YOU CAN SAY IS “I DON’T THINK IT’S EVIL”……….SON YOU JUST DON’T THINK!

  • Bill Hedges

    bone

    I forgot to ask you. You wrote

    “I’m saying is that systems just as socialist as socialized medicine are ingrained in our constitution.”

    Where is this in Constitution ?

  • bones

    Well I’m sorry for my terrible lack of education DD. So what exactly is the difference between ‘basic’ government services and ‘socialized’ government services?

    Do you define socialism as any government service not explicitly outlined by the United States Constitution?

    I don’t know why you’re railing against Obama – has he proposed altering our nation’s constitution? As I recall, the last president who tried to alter our nation’s constitution was George W. Bush.

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    “the last president who tried to alter our nation’s constitution was George W. Bush.”

    Give facts to support statement

  • D.D.Mao

    bones ………In the last 80 days your President and the Democrat Congress has attemped to TAMPER WITH THE CONSTITUTION at least 4 times.

    1) Stating that state legislatures can override a govenors veto when he turns down stimulus money.
    See the 10th admendment which gives states rights not stated in the Constitution.

    2)Wanting to give D.C. delegates voting rights in Congress.
    See Article 1 section 2 of the Constitution on only states representatives can vote.

    3)Threatening to out and forcing AIG executives to give money back which according to law written by Sen. Chris Dodd they had coming to them.
    See Article 1 concerning bill of attainer /ex post facto law clause.

    4) Indentured servatude concerning VOLUNTEER WORK THAT ISN’T VOLUNTEERED.
    See the 13th Admendment to the Constitution.

    As far as explaining to you the DIFFERENCE AGAIN YOU ARE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO RE-READ MY LAST THREE POST WHICH I LAID IT OUT FOR YOU.

  • bones

    DD. Those are all important events to note, but I think there’s a clear difference between violating the constitution and altering it. There’s a huge difference, in fact.

    If you answered my question in your previous posts, I’m afraid I cannot find it. This may, potentially, have something to do with my lack of education, or intelligence. You should really ignore people like me, we’re not worth your time, and certainly not worth formulating an argument for.

    Go relax in the park, it’s a much better use of all our time.

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    “the last president who tried to alter our nation’s constitution was George W. Bush.”

    Give facts to support statement

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    This site demands facts. Jay Leon’s cuts don’t work here.

    DDMao provided facts that disbute your statements. And you insult

    “Go relax in the park, it’s a much better use of all our time”_ Silly.

    Blanks statements are dumb. You will be called on them. You are begining to not answer, like jd.

  • D.D.Mao

    bones……May I suggest some reading while you relax in the park?

    THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION

    P.S. I DIDN’T USE EITHER THE WORD VIOLATE NOR ALTER.

  • bones

    Actually Bill, that wasn’t an insult. It’s a serious suggestion. The park is a nice place.

    Demand whatever you like. I don’t cater to your demands. But I’ll humor you. Read this, and you’ll recall GWB’s attempt to change the constitution: http://whitehouse.georgewbush.org/dof/marriage.asp

  • bones

    Ah. Right, tamper with. Fair enough. The people demand I be more factual, so let’s start with this

    tam?per
    1? ?/?tæmp?r/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [tam-per] Show IPA
    –verb (used without object)
    1. to meddle, esp. for the purpose of altering, damaging, or misusing (usually fol. by with): Someone has been tampering with the lock.

    So you didn’t actually use the word ‘alter’, you used a synonym instead. My mistake.

    The constitution has nothing to do with this argument, not unless it defines what capitalism and what socialism are. So far as I know, capitalism and socialism are abstract concepts that exist completely independent of the US Constitution (which I truly believe was a masterpiece).

    So where does the constitution even enter the discussion? It seems like you’re just going for distraction, but maybe I just don’t understand your point

    If I’m wrong about that, I guess you have me on that education thing.

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    You brought in Constitution. Eample

    bones

    I will repeat my question and add another

    “I’m saying is that systems just as socialist as socialized medicine are ingrained in our constitution.”

    Where is this in Constitution ?
    …..
    bones

    “the last president who tried to alter our nation’s constitution was George W. Bush.”

    Give facts to support statement

  • bones

    I answered you Bill, I’m afraid my comment’s just awaiting moderation. I think posting links effects that. But visit this news site and be satisfied (http://whitehouse.georgew…..rriage.asp)

    Your question asking me to point out, in writing, where socialism exists in socialized medicine and where it exists in our constitution is fair, but it’s missing the point. Socialism is not mentioned by name in the constitution and it will never be mentioned in any proposal for socialized medicine. It’s one of those situations where zero is equal to zero.

    So if you take this to mean that neither one includes socialism of any sort, than I guess I’ll cede the point and agree with you.

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    ” So where does the constitution even enter the discussion? It seems like you’re just going for distraction, but maybe I just don’t understand your point”
    …..

    …..
    Here is where you discussed the Constitution in this article.

    1.”Just because it’s in the constitution doesn’t mean it’s not socialism.”

    2. “He also keeps questioning my education, telling me I should read the constitution”

    3. “In answer to that question Bill, what I’m saying is that systems just as socialist as socialized medicine are ingrained in our constitution”

    4. “Do you define socialism as any government service not explicitly outlined by the United States Constitution? ”

    5. “As I recall, the last president who tried to alter our nation’s constitution was George W. Bush. ”

    6. “DD. Those are all important events to note, but I think there’s a clear difference between violating the constitution and altering it”
    …..

    Looks like you talked about Constitution 6 times in this article bones.

  • D.D.Mao

    bones……You’re right you don’t understand my point.

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    “Demand whatever you like. I don’t cater to your demands. But I’ll humor you. Read this, and you’ll recall GWB’s attempt to change the constitution:”

    I guess you know what you write stays written and can be quoted for or against you. So far what I have proved is you are__WRONG.
    …..
    You made this statement about Bush

    “the last president who tried to alter our nation’s constitution was George W. Bush.”

    According to your link, attempt was made to ammend the Constitution not “alter”. Which is legal mechanism to change the Constitution.

    And your link proves you__WRONG__to blame Bush. Link clearly shows __Jerry Falwell__ pushing for the Ammendment. Letter in link was addressed to Bush from Jerry Falwell.

    You truely don’t UNDERSTAND.

    Your statement was__WRONG__ according to link you provided as proof.
    …..

    Lastly bone, you state..

    “Demand whatever you like”

    I did not use the word “Demand”. Though demand sounds outragious. What I said in truth was

    “Give facts to support statement”

    bones. You need to be more actuate. Para-phasing is dangerous in the wrong hands. Your hands seems to be wrong hands to para-phase.

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    “It is the highest form of self-respect to admit our errors and mistakes and make amends for them. To make a mistake is only an error in judgment, but to adhere to it when it is discovered shows infirmity of character.”

    Dale E. Turner

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    “Demand whatever you like. I don’t cater to your demands. But I’ll humor you. Read this, and you’ll recall GWB’s attempt to change the constitution:”

    Thanks for humoring me and providing support. Your evidence proved you_ WRONG.

    This is why I give reasons to back my statements. Supports my statements. Can be checked. BUT YOU DON’T MANY TIMES. And why I want you to back your statements with evidence SOMETIMES. So your statements can be checked.
    …..

    For Your Information…Here is where I used__ “Demand”__”This site demands facts. Jay Leon’s cuts don’t work here”.

  • Bill Hedges

    What are the six functions of government as noted in the preamble of the constitution?

    From the preamble to the US Constitution:

    To form a more perfect Union,
    establish Justice,
    insure domestic Tranquility,
    provide for the common defense,
    promote the general Welfare,
    and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.
    The meanings to all these are…

    Governance is across the different state boundaries with the intent of keeping the union together
    Establish legislation and rule of law
    Establish enforcement of the law – police
    Establish a means for national defense – standing army or militia
    Govern for the common good
    Govern not just for (and in) the hear and now – but with an eye to serving future generations
    The whole preamble to the constitution is:

    WE the people in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic Tranqulity, Provide for the common deffence, promote the general wellfare and, secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posperity, to ordain and establish this constitution for the United States of America.

    There’s the preamble and our governments six functions in a nutshell

  • Bill Hedges
  • Bill Hedges

    “Main Entry: so·cial·ism
    Pronunciation: \?s?-sh?-?li-z?m\
    Function: noun
    Date: 1837
    1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
    2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
    3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done”

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    Military, police, etc, are neither capitalism nor socialism.
    They are a function of Government.

  • D.D.Mao

    Bill…………Thank you so much for your 3:04 and 3:41 A.M. post which laid out the function and basis of our Constitution in terms anyone can grasp.

    You always have interesting and informative post but these two are your piece de resistance !

  • Bill Hedges

    DDMao

    I do not expect bones to acknowledge existence of his “WRONG”. Like jd, bones does not follow the wisdom found in the message of Dale E. Turner quote.
    …..

    “Stubborn and ardent clinging to one’s opinion is the best proof of stupidity”
    Michel de Montaigne

  • bones

    You’re right Bill, I don’t really believe I’m wrong. I don’t even think you addressed anything I said in any meaningful way. What I do believe is that the discussion became unproductive and a bit personal long before I stopped engaging it. When people stop listening to each other, discussion serves no purpose. I’m sorry we all engaged in it for as long as we did.

    If we’re going to get angry about politics, we might as well spend that energy doing something about it.

  • Bill Hedges

    bone,bones,bones

    “A man profits more by the sight of an idiot than by the orations of the learned”
    Arabian Proverb

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    I tear you points apart one by one.

    Yet, you say

    “I don’t even think you addressed anything I said in any meaningful way”
    …..

    “If we’re going to get angry about politics, we might as well spend that energy doing something about it.”

    I am not angry. I simple tore apart your “WRONG” notions

  • bones

    Any time you hear language like “I tore apart” applied to a segment of discussion, I think that’s a pretty good indicator that the opportunity for productive discussion has passed.

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    Truth hurts, doesn’t it.

    Don’t talk specifics. It requires knowledge. Example, you link to knock Bush was in reality about Jerry Farwell, not Bush. Continue with your generalities.
    …..

    “Sometimes I wonder if we shall ever grow up in our politics and say definite things which mean something, or whether we shall always go on using generalities to which everyone can subscribe, and which mean very little.”
    Eleanor Roosevelt

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    “Any time you hear language like “I tore apart” applied to a segment of discussion, I think that’s a pretty good indicator that the opportunity for productive discussion has passed.”

    Why did you mis-quote me ?

  • bones

    Bill Hedges Apr 13th, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    “I am not angry. I simple tore apart your “WRONG” notions”

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    You mis-quote and segmenting my quote and taking it out of context, is not acceptable.

    I believe you used different words for DDMao.
    …..

    bones said

    “You’re right Bill, I don’t really believe I’m wrong. I don’t even think you addressed anything I said in any meaningful way”

    DDMao_seems_ to disagree with you from his last statement if I understand it corrctly_

    “Bill…………Thank you so much for your 3:04 and 3:41 A.M. post which laid out the function and basis of our Constitution in terms anyone can grasp.”

    “You always have interesting and informative post but these two are your piece de resistance ”
    …..

    bones, you have a lot of problems with your facts concerning your politics. I would suggest you re-evauate your political stance.
    …..

    “There’s one thing for which you should be abundantly thankful — only you and God have all the facts about yourself.”

    In this case, I understand what you are trying to hide

  • Bill Hedges

    bones

    How bones quoted me

    “I tore apart”

    What I wrote

    “I am not angry. I simple tore apart your “WRONG” notions”

    Check my previous comment.

    I rest my case. Judge rules in my favor

  • Bill Hedges

    bone

    I think you have run out of options to support your view. I doubt you learned anything from this article exchange.

    “Woe to those that can not see”
    unknown to me
    …..

    I repeat

    “Stubborn and ardent clinging to one’s opinion is the best proof of stupidity”
    Michel de Montaigne

  • Sawitall

    The only thing Goverment should do for us is what we can’t do for ourselves. namely…… Civil defence….national defense: period. they should never have gotten involved with teaching our children.. never gotten involved in medical care.. never gotten involved with our retirement. Just simply get the hell out of the way and let the system work, but that will never happen, the old fossils in goverment have gotten so ingrown in washington , that they will never relinguish their hold on the public, so we will just have to make the best of it ubtil we get frd up, and take our countyr back by whatever means nessesary.

  • Chris Young

    This is sad. The author claims the media are at fault for this sympathy towards Socialism. I’m sure the same old examples of failed Socialist systems will be referred to as examples of why its so bad, and how the free market of Capitalism allows for a more equal share of things. This is such a joke, the media is controlled by the same economics as the rest of Capitalist society, and even if they were to report on it , they would only do harm by providing uneducated references to the fact. The fact is their has to this day never been a real Socialist government. Early Lenin Communism was close to real communism but Stalin killed that. The reason more people are becoming more interested in Socialism ,besides the fact that Capitalism has allowed an almost complete take over of the nations wealth/power by a small 1% of its population , is the fact that people can now order books. They no longer have to be subjected to the propaganda campaigns paid for by Capitalism. Capitalism has done well to limit what text the reader might have access to, and even when the net came along they managed to balance the info most search engines might initially hit on to be mostly in their favor. Another increasingly big problem for Capitalism today, is people like me who also come from somewhat wealthy families ,and have been able to travel the world witnessing first hand the benefits of Canadian, British, french, and other socialist based healthcare systems. Witnessing how strong regulations on Capitalist markets have helped to minimize its damage to the less fortunate within those society’s. After people like myself witness this we make these facts available for other people to ponder. Trust me when I say now that citizens have an easier access to the truth, and can see this truth is based on fact, their numbers will multiply. You guys (Capitalist) are in real trouble, your little hedonistic world is coming to an end, your exploitation ,and rape of the world, and its citizenry will come back to haunt you. Socialism has truth on its side, and while I understand it is an extremely complex system to develop still the fact remains it serves a majority ,not just a few. Wish I could say Good luck, but that would be a lie.

  • Chris Young,

    Would you like to direct us towards some internet links and books that support your arguement for socialism. You say you are able to spread the truth, so please spread the evidence for that truth.

    Thank You,
    Kendale Sturdivent

  • Bill Hedges

    Kendale Sturdivent

    I don’t remember you as someone who provided links & book suggestions.

  • …So there for if I am interested in reading about what Chris has mentioned I am SOL? My apologies for wanting to read about what Chris has mentioned.

    Some things never change.