Apologist-in-Chief Returns From European Vacation

President Obama will be returning soon from his “I’m Sorry For Bush 2009” World Tour where he spent a good deal of time failing to meet two of his objectives and apologizing for his predecessor, President George W. Bush. The image of “Obama Go Home” were protesters who assembled in Istanbul. Apparently they didn’t get the memo that the world is supposed to love Obama and the United States now.

Political Punch reports on the sorry-fest:

ISTANBUL — “I know there have been some difficulties in recent years,” President Obama said today at a town hall meeting with Turkish high school and college students.” In some ways, that foundation has been weakening. We’ve had some specific differences over policy, but we’ve also at times lost the sense that both of our countries are in this together — that we have shared interests and shared values and that we can have a partnership that serves our common hopes and common dreams. So I came here to renew that foundation and to build on it.”

As he’s traveled throughout Europe this past week, from the G-20 economic summit in London, to the NATO conference in Strasbourg, France, to here in Turkey, President Obama has not only made clear his policy differences with his predecessor, and his markedly different diplomatic style, he has made it clear to Europe and the rest of the world that his respect for the way President Bush conducted foreign policy knows bounds.

“America is a critical actor and leader on the world stage,” President Obama said at the conclusion of the G-20 summit in London, asked how he differs with President Bush on international relations. “We shouldn’t be embarrassed about that,” he said, but he added “we exercise our leadership best when we are listening; when we recognize that the world is a complicated place and that we are going to have to act in partnership with other countries; when we lead by example; when we show some element of humility and recognize that we may not always have the best answer, but we can always encourage the best answer and support the best answer.”

These principles, of course, are direct contrasts with the way President Obama has in the past criticized President Bush: that he too often lectured and seldom listened; that he saw the world in black-and-white; that he had no compunction in acting unilaterally; that he besmirched the American brand; and that his administration embodied American arrogance.

President Obama’s expressions of regret for the Bush years is only one aspect of what has been jam-packed schedule full of announcements and negotiations, but it’s been a striking part of his message.

Some conservative critics have expressed chagrin at this. On Fox News, conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer said “When Kennedy arrived in Paris, he did not attack Eisenhower and the United States. When Obama’s elected president, he is president of all of the United States, including Americans who opposed him, and he owns American history, including a past he may not have wanted to engage in. I think what he did is, in order to gain the adoration of the crowd, he denigrated his country in a way that I think is disgraceful.”

Someone the other day on Fox News made good points about how you did not hear Brown, Merkel or Sarkozy speak of their predecessors at all compared to how Obama constantly referenced Bush. It seems belittling to Obama that he couldn’t make his own points without resorting to relentless apologies everywhere he went.

The list of regrets:

he first expression of regret during this trip came on April 1.

“Over the last several years the relationship between our two countries has been allowed to drift,” President Obama said as he announced a July summit with Russian President Dmintry Medvedev, announcing that relations would now hopefully improve.

That same day, asked about the financial crisis, President Obama said “if you look at the sources of this crisis, the United States certainly has some accounting to do with respect to a regulatory system that was inadequate to the massive changes that had taken place in the global financial system.”

At a town hall meting in Strasbourg, France, the president told the European crowd, “we’ve allowed our Alliance to drift. I know that there have been honest disagreements over policy, but we also know that there’s something more that has crept into our relationship. So I’ve come to Europe this week to renew our partnership, one in which America listens and learns from our friends and allies.”

“Over the last seven, eight years,” he said, “a lot of tensions have developed between the United States and Europe…There have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive” toward Europe. “In Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual but can also be insidious. Instead of recognizing the good that America so often does in the world, there have been times where Europeans chose to blame America for much of what’s bad,” Obama said.

And speaking to Turkish Parliament Monday, President Obama acknowledged “differences about whether to go to war” in Iraq. “I know there have been difficulties these last few years. I know that the trust that binds the United States and Turkey has been strained, and I know that strain is shared in many places where the Muslim faith is practiced. So let me say this as clearly as I can: The United States is not, and will never be, at war with Islam.”

After the G-20 summit the President said he hoped he would “set a tone internationally” where other nations “give us the benefit of the doubt… At least we can start with the notion that we’re prepared to listen and to work cooperatively with countries around the world.”

Referring to his campaign statements about “very specific decisions that the previous administration had made that I believed had lowered our standing in the world,” the president said, “I would like to think that with my election and the early decisions that we’ve made, that you’re starting to see some restoration of America’s standing in the world.”

Bush has some things to be sorry for, like bailouts. However, he should never be sorry for keeping America safe after 9/11 or freeing the people of Iraq from a brutal dictator. The United Nations is a useless body of anti-American thugs who will continue to function in the same manner with Obama at the helm.

Obama sought more support from NATO in Afghanistan and didn’t get it. He also wanted support for a global bailout plan and didn’t get that either. So much for the world falling at his feet.

President Obama also went out of his way to make it clear that the United States is not at war with Islam. Well no kidding! President Bush went out of his way numerous times making the same statement but the press is hailing Obama’s statement like it’s something new.

Searching for seconds I found a story from 2006 on WCBS Radio:

NEW YORK (AP / WCBS-AM) — President Bush today appealed directly to Muslims to assure them that the United States is not waging war with Islam as he laid out a vision for peace in the Middle East before skeptical world leaders at the United Nations.

On the sidelines, Bush pressed Iran to return at once to international talks on its nuclear program and threatened consequences if they do not.

But his speech to the United Nations General Assembly was less confrontational and aimed at building bridges with people in the Middle East angry with the United States.

“My country desires peace,” Bush told world leaders in the cavernous main hall at the U.N. “Extremists in your midst spread propaganda claiming that the West is engaged in a war against Islam. This propaganda is false and its purpose is to confuse you and justify acts of terror. We respect Islam.”

So there it is, nearly an identical statement to what President Obama said. Of course though, the media puts more credence to Obama’s statement.

Plus, here’s the kicker. Apparantly Obama has ticked off France and Germany when he endorsed Turkey’s desire to enter the European Union. Some even blasphemously called Obama “arrogant,” which is wrong, because we know only the United States minus Obama is arrogant.

Spiegel reports:

US President Barack Obama says Turkey’s future is in the European Union. Not everyone agrees. Numerous politicians in Germany have gone on the attack, and even French President Sarkozy is unimpressed. Turkey’s role at the NATO summit has soured the mood.

Now that Obama is in Turkey, however, some political camps — particularly in Germany — have discovered the political efficacy of Obama bashing. While in Ankara, Obama reiterated his support for Turkish membership in the European Union, a position he first voiced on Sunday in Prague. That doesn’t sit well with some.

“Turkey is bound to Europe by more than bridges over the Bosporus,” Obama told the Turkish parliament on Monday. “Centuries of shared history, culture and commerce bring you together. And Turkish membership would broaden and strengthen Europe’s foundation once more.”

It is a sentiment not universally shared in Europe. On Monday, a number of politicians, particularly in Germany, went on the offensive. “It is a meddling in the internal affairs of Europe,” Bernd Posselt, a member of the European Parliament from Bavarian’s conservative Christian Social Union (CSU), blustered in an interview with SPIEGEL ONLINE. “The EU is not Obama’s plaything. … He should accept Turkey as America’s 51st state instead,” he continued.

Markus Ferber, the CSU’s lead candidate in European Parliament elections set for early June, echoed his party colleague. “There is no question that the US has a voice in NATO. But when it comes to membership in its own club, the EU decides by itself,” he said. “We don’t need any tutoring from abroad.”

Party head Horst Seehofer said that Europe’s “internal harmony” is dependent on “common cultural and spiritual roots.” He went on to say that “Turkey, as self-proclaimed representative of the Muslim world, clearly doesn’t fit in.”

How odd. I thought everything the Messiah spoke of turned to gold yet here he is being criticized for his meddling and arrogance of sticking his nose in European affairs.

Play us out Karl:

We’re all here to welcome President Obama back to his disastrous economic policies and obscene deficits, lets give him a round of applause, shall we?

  • JD

    Nate – “However, he should never be sorry for keeping America safe after 9/11 or freeing the people of Iraq from a brutal dictator.”

    So let me get this strait, nate. You claim that the 3 trillion in tax payers dollars spent in Iraq was worth it but if we spend 800 billion to fix health care for our own tax payers that is horrible.

    I mean bush put us 5 trillion dollars in debt but Iraq was worth it. Not to mention the reason why we went into Iraq was because of WMDs and not waiting on the UN only to find out that there were no WMDs so we then justified it by saying we saved the people of Iraq. Well if we are liberators than what about Dafur and all the other counties that need liberating. Oh, we pick and choose. Gotta love it.

    Sorry, there is alot to apologize for with the Bush administration and I don’t see anything wrong with apologizing. Don’t we ask our kids to apologize?

  • D.D.Mao

    The President states he”…..looks forward and not backwards”.I imagine this is in response to other things besides his associations with the Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers.Of course there are exceptions such as when he can blame President Bush for the debt which he doubled on his watch.

    But getting to the APOLOGENIST IN CHIEF I find it ironic that he spent so much time in his speech PRAISING Prague (I have nothing against Prague)and then turning around and knocking America.Also he said Turkey should be admitted to the European Union which the President of France told him to mind his own business about Europe and who is admitted to the E.U……..SUCH AMERICAN ARROGENCE!!!
    MAYBE HE SHOULD ISSUE ANOTHER APOLOGY TO THE E.U.
    HE’S GETTING SO GOOD AT IT AROUND THE WORLD

  • Bill Hedges

    jd

    “So let me get this strait, nate. You claim that the 3 trillion in tax payers dollars spent in Iraq was worth it but if we spend 800 billion to fix health care for our own tax payers that is horrible”

    Answer…YES. War was necessary.

    Losing prehaps the best health care system is not. And Britian is prime example of why Obama’s health care plan is bad. System is not on budget,bad service,some care non-existent, and not recomended to America by Prime Misister..

    “mean bush put us 5 trillion dollars in debt but Iraq was worth it. Not to mention the reason why we went into Iraq was because of WMDs and not waiting on the UN only to find out that there were no WMDs”

    Yes. Bush was given bad advise. Iraq did things as well . Example Inspectors.

    “Iraq. Well if we are liberators than what about Dafur and all the other counties that need liberating. Oh, we pick and choose. Gotta love it”.

    Yes, America are Liberators. Yes we do pick and choice. That what a LEADER does and what a caring Country does. We do something. Can not do all. What we have to do is prioritize. Maybe the rest of the World can do something ?What have they done ???????

    “Sorry, there is alot to apologize for with the Bush administration and I don’t see anything wrong with apologizing. Don’t we ask our kids to apologize”

    So, where are the things Bush did that was wrong ? Yes, when kids do wrong they should apoloize. So should grown up. But not when they try and fall short of utopia.

  • “You claim that the 3 trillion in tax payers dollars spent in Iraq was worth it but if we spend 800 billion to fix health care for our own tax payers that is horrible.”

    JD, that is because you and I disagree on what it means to “fix” healthcare. To you, Obama’s “fix” of turning our health care into a socialized medicine system is acceptable.

    Short answer, no. Obama’s “fix” of wasting $800 billion to turn us into a socialized health care system run by the government is, indeed, horrible.

    JD, I am looking ahead for the good of our nation, don’t get bogged down in the WMD argument again, it’s ancient and tired. We’re there, we’re winning, and obviously Obama recognizes that we can’t leave tomorrow, he is at least spreading his withdrawal over 19 months and then will still leave 50,000 troops there. That tells me he knows the situation on the ground is good and if we can stick it out and help the Iraqis it will be even better for their future and for ours.

    Hopefully Obama will come back here and apologize to us for Tim Geithner’s tyrannical power and his own incompetent economic policy. You mentioned kids, perhaps Obama should apologize to my-nonexistent grandchildren for the debt they already owe the government. Perhaps he should apologize for trying to steal the secret ballot from unions. Perhaps he should apologize for being pro-infanticide by opposing the “Born Alive Infant Protection Act.” Perhaps he should apologize to Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin for sexism during the campaign. Perhaps he should apologize for the campaign promises he’s already broken like giving the American people 5 days to look at legislation online before he signs it, that has been a joke. I could go on but time is short and so is my patience.

    Yes, JD, Obama has a lot to apologize for in 2 months.

  • JD

    Nate”You mentioned kids, perhaps Obama should apologize to my-nonexistent grandchildren for the debt they already owe the government.”

    See this is the part I struggle with. Your’s and my children are straddled with 10 trillion dollars of debt(as of the last day of Bush Jr.) and 5 trillion if it is from the Bush jr. era alone. Yet, after 90 days in office you have the ability to say Obama owes an apology for this?

    I didn’t state what specifically needs to be done with health care but at least this president is addressing it instead of spending trillions of dollars in other peoples back yards.

    I also don’t by into this notion that we have the most sophisticated military in the world with the worlds best technologies for war all funded by the government also known as a socialized program. Yes, the millitary is a social program just like fire departments and police departments.

    So you are telling me that the same government that has managed to use and push war technologies would not be able to do the same for the medical industry and technology? Again, I am not saying it is the right or only answer… not to mention the last time I checked (for the millionth time) obama is not socializing the healthcare system.

    Again, I don’t buy the lie of Obama is the reason for my children’s debt… 8 of the last 10 tillion dollars in national debt has been during Republican presidential administrations.

  • Bill Hedges

    U.S. president Party Term years Start debt/GDP* End debt/GDP* Increase debt ($T) Increase debt/GDP
    Roosevelt/Truman D 1945-1949 117.5% 93.2% 0.05 -24.3%
    Truman Harry Truman D 1949-1953 93.2% 71.3% 0.01 -21.9%
    Eisenhower1 Dwight Eisenhower R 1953-1957 71.3% 60.5% 0.01 -10.8%
    Eisenhower2 Dwight Eisenhower R 1957-1961 60.5% 55.1% 0.02 -5.4%
    Kennedy/Johnson D 1961-1965 55.1% 46.9% 0.03 -8.2%
    Johnson Lyndon Johnson D 1965-1969 46.9% 38.6% 0.05 -8.3%
    Nixon1 Richard Nixon R 1969-1973 38.6% 35.7% 0.07 -2.9%
    Nixon2 Nixon/Ford R 1973-1977 35.7% 35.8% 0.19 +0.1%
    Carter Jimmy Carter D 1977-1981 35.8% 32.6% 0.18 -3.2%
    Reagan1 Ronald Reagan R 1981-1985 32.6% 43.9% 0.65 +11.3%
    Reagan2 Ronald Reagan R 1985-1989 43.9% 53.1% 1.04 +9.2%
    Bush GHW George H. W. Bush R 1989-1993 53.1% 66.2% 1.40 +13.1%
    Clinton1 Bill Clinton D 1993-1997 66.2% 65.6% 1.12 -0.6%
    Clinton2 Bill Clinton D 1997-2001 65.6% 57.4% 0.42 -8.2%
    Bush GW1 George W. Bush R 2001-2005 57.4% 64.3% 1.15 +6.9%
    Bush GW2 George W. Bush R 2005-2009 64.3% 68.2% projection +3.9% projection

    [edit] Public debt

  • Bill Hedges
  • JD, the military is pretty much the only example where the federal government runs something remotely efficiently. Even then, the bureaucracy in the Pentagon and Defense Department is ridiculous.

    For example, look at the failure that is Medicare already. It’s terribly run and going bankrupt. That is the closest thing we have and it’s a disaster because the government runs it so badly. Think Obama-care would be different? I know it would be worse! Under a socialized system, we’d have a government rationing body which would determine what treatments you should get. Lets say you’re a cancer patient. Some government slobs would be sitting in Washington determining whether or not your treatments are worth paying for since they must now ration care. It’s insane.

    It’s not constitutional nor is it moral for the government to run the health care system. It is not right for the government to take from pocket and pay for a smoker’s lung cancer treatments. It is not right for the government to pick who gets what kind of care.

    The military is defined as a function the federal government should be in charge of in the constitution.

    Universal health care is a terrible idea. If you want to reform health care, get government out of it. Look at New York State, where I used to live. The state is so tight on health care that you can’t buy private insurance, you’re forced on the state’s welfare health care system which I never went on.

    However, here in Virginia there are actually options if you want to buy health insurance out of pocket. Why the difference? Perhaps because New York State has a a quasi-socialized control on health care already. Of course, New York also has obscene state income tax to help pay for it which is why the state is a dying area because people are leaving.

    To conclude, the military is one of the very few undertakings spelled out for the responsibility of the federal government. Find me in the Constitution where it states that the federal government’s duty is to pay for my health insurance. It’s not there, nor does it guarantee anyone the right to health insurance or health care in general.

    The question is, do you care about what is constitutional?

  • Bill Hedges

    Bill Clinton 1st term (debt/GDP*) was worse than G. Bush.
    Bill Clinton 2nd term (debt/GDP*) was better thanks to Republican controled Congress forcing balanced budget upon him. And Bush’s Terrorist war forced upon him

  • Bill Hedges

    jd

    “5 trillion if it is from the Bush jr. era alone”

    Omba’s is projected at $10 trillion in next 10 year. No tellig the real figure

  • Oh JD you stepped in it. I don’t even think I need to add anything, D.D Mao, Nate, and Bill took care of that for me. Poor Boy, it must be tiring, you trying so hard, that is, to support the president who apologizes for being American and and for America’s arrogance. JD, it’s like the movie title, HE’S (OBAMA) JUST NOT THAT INTO YOU!!!

  • Bill Hedges

    Conservative Gal

    After I hit submit, I have no button to correct errors I see (3 minutes?). Is that feature gone now ?

  • Nate will address your question below, Bill.

  • Bill Hedges

    Ombama’s “bow” to Saudia Arabia King, as a sitting President, says everything about Obama’s trip.

  • JD

    Nate – “It is not right for the government to take from pocket and pay for a smoker’s lung cancer treatments. It is not right for the government to pick who gets what kind of care.”

    To describe our current situation all you have to do is replace “government” with “Insurance Company” in your above quote. Insurance companies take your month bill and use it to pay for a smoker’s lung cancer treatments and insurance companies also are big determinaters on what kind of care you receive.

    Nate, Please tell me how Obama is going to socialize healthcare? I would also like to hear your specific view of how to fix the current healthcare situation we have.

  • “To describe our current situation all you have to do is replace “government” with “Insurance Company” in your above quote. Insurance companies take your month bill and use it to pay for a smoker’s lung cancer treatments and insurance companies also are big determinaters on what kind of care you receive.”

    That is incorrect. I am not forced to buy insurance nor am I forced to accept care based on what my insurance company recommends. If you depend solely on insurance, they do make some determinations but it is nothing like what the government would do with care rationing. As of now, I can pay out of pocket for procedures I need and/or want. In Canada, there is a waiting list for procedures because they have a shortage of doctors and nurses since the government sets their hours and controls their pay. You can’t get things done even if you pay out of pocket in Canada because the government doesn’t allow it, it’s insane. Who would want to work in that? Many don’t so they left

    “Nate, Please tell me how Obama is going to socialize healthcare? I would also like to hear your specific view of how to fix the current healthcare situation we have.”

    JD, this is very simple. Obama wants to setup “free” health care under the guise of higher taxes to pay for it. He would either do it one of 2 ways.

    First, it would be government funded insurance. Which means you’d get your “insurance” from the government, which is crap because you’re really just getting your health care paid for by the government which is socialism. It’d be like a “public” insurance plan we’d all be paying for. Once again, it is socialism and quasi-communist in nature.

    The other way is for outright socialized care like in Canada where the government controls the salaries of doctors and nurses. Furthermore, the government in Canada decides when you might get treatment for things like cancer and when you won’t. Payment for treatment comes direct from the government and their is a massive shortage of care because the system is terribly abused.

    JD, anytime the government steps into health care where they pull the strings, it’s a socialized system.

    See more on government-run health care here:

    http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/wm2381.cfm

    and here:

    http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed032709c.cfm

    What you’re missing here is that health care is already one of the MOST regulated areas by the government. In fact, about 50 cents of each dollar spent in health care is already paid for by the government and it fails a lot of people. It is bogged down with government restraints, medicare, medicaid, SCHIP, etc… Much of our health care is socialized already and this is where we are, do you see that?

    Ways to “fix” the system without government-run health care:

    http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/sr0027.cfm

    There are numerous other ideas, like letting people buy health insurance over state lines. As I said above, in New York State, where health insurance is government-run, there are no options. If I could buy insurance from Virginia, or any other state while living in NY, it would lower the cost all around.

    There are hundreds of ideas to implement before turning in the inefficient, ineffective bureaucracy in Washington, don’t you agree?

    I do not want Barney Frank and Chris Dodd controlling my health care, thanks.

    However, President Obama is not interested in ways in which to apply free market principles to health care. He is interested in pushing a liberal agenda on this issue.

  • Bill Hedges

    One way to lower medical cost is limit jury rewards on malpractice. Has raised malpractice insurance drasticially. Doctors give many unnecessary test to cover themselves in case of lawsuite.

    Both adds to healthcare cost.

  • D.D.Mao

    The president says “GOVERNMENT DOESN’T WANT TO BE IN THE AUTOMOBILE INDUSTRY.”I’m assuming they don’t want to be in THE BANKING BUSINESS EITHER yet they refuse to take back any T.A.R.P. money from the banks.They hate it so much the HEALTH INDUSTRY is the next one they don’t want to be in…….but will refuse to get out!

    State run health care systems WERE TRIED AND FAILED in the states of Washington,Hawaii and Mass.They were evenually ended because of the enormous cost.As I said before Washington DC runs on POWER AND MONEY.

  • Bill Hedges

    Government is considering using TARP money to pay individual’s issued. Not questioning that, I question where will it end ?

    Does Government reimburse Murdock financial scam investor ?

  • JD

    Nate – “Obama wants to setup “free” health care under the guise of higher taxes to pay for it.”

    You will have to point me to this. Every reading I have done on what Obama wants to do is not give free health care. It would be a government run “insurance” agency and if I choose to go with them, I would pay premiums just like if i were to go to Blue cross\Blue shield. It would not be free and if you don’t like what they have to offer than you can go with someone else.

    The idea of this is to give the market another competitor. Sounds like a good idea to me.

    As for the Idea of across State line insurance. I know the big scare this has to do with the state by state regulations. Insurance companies would just set up in a state that is friendly to them and only use the relaxed laws given by that state as their guidelines for coverage.

    Nate, You and I see this issue completely differently. The truth is that insurance makes money by denying claims. If you think that they don’t mandated what kind of care you get than you are highly mistaken. You are correct though. On top of paying 300-700 dollars a month for a family, I am suppose to foot the enormous bill of what ever they don’t cover.

    To you that is free enterprise and a business should be able to make as much money off of sick people as they do healthy. Sorry, I don’t believe the insurance companies have our best interest in mind…Don’t color me surprised though, because their first priority is making a buck.

    Secondly, your over the state lines does nothing to fix what is wrong with the insurance companies and medical field or what is really plaguing premiums and it is not the location of the insurance companies.

    Obama is not doing a government run Health care system. However, i know this is a major worry of yours because Obama is a Democrat and all democrats want to do is turn this country into a “socialist nation”. The second a Democrat is elected or has their name to any type or reform it is going to get pull back from party loyal citizens and politicians.

    Anyway, I like Obama’s idea and I hope it gets pushed through. It is the closest idea I have heard that looks at both sides of the problem.

  • Bill Hedges

    “You will have to point me to this. Every reading I have done on what Obama wants to do is not give free health care. It would be a government run “insurance” agency and if I choose to go with them, I would pay premiums just like if i were to go to Blue cross\Blue shield. It would not be free and if you don’t like what they have to offer than you can go with someone else”

    True, but private company raised cost is expected to force government choice on most.

    “As for the Idea of across State line insurance. I know the big scare this has to do with the state by state regulations. Insurance companies would just set up in a state that is friendly to them and only use the relaxed laws given by that state as their guidelines for coverage”

    Because of my health problem, I have government approved “special insurance”. I lose my Insurance if I move out of Greene County. This is Federal not State regulations. Another example of government limiting health care.

    Proving Private and Government do this_ ” The truth is that insurance makes money by denying claims”

    “I don’t believe the insurance companies have our best interest in mind”

    A penny saved is a penny earned. Either way, Private or Public insurance. Savings is attempted. Don’t put Government plan on a higher plane. England recently refused to give certain care to cancer patients because of cost. Care is horrible in England.

    “The second a Democrat is elected or has their name to any type or reform it is going to get pull back from party loyal citizens and politicians”

    Wrong. Just want good ideas. I liked many of President Johnston’s ideas.
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    “Anyway, I like Obama’s idea and I hope it gets pushed through. It is the closest idea I have heard that looks at both sides of the problem”.

    Glad you made up you mind. Yesterday at 409pm you said

    “I didn’t state what specifically needs to be done with health care but at least this president is addressing it instead of spending trillions of dollars in other peoples back yards”

  • D.D.Mao

    An article in Investors Business Daily entitled “Government Run Health Care A Tough Sell To Americans” can be found at:

    http://www.ibdeditorials.com/polls.aspx?id=323999200923941

  • Bill Hedges

    Another email from my Brother. I have to tell him about this site. BUT. He is more Conservative than me.

    Obamacare to Squeeze Private Insurance

    by Jillian Bandes
    An independent health research group concluded that President Obama’s public health insurance plan is likely to put private insurers out of business.
    (In the insurance businesses across America, Obama government run National Health Care Plan will put millions of people out of a job)

    The study isn’t just stating the obvious. Researchers John Sheils and Randy Haught of the Lewin Group worked through several different scenarios to show how different public plans might affect private insurance. Their findings varied widely because Obama has given few details on exactly what his plan would entail.

    The two things they did have to work with were Obama’s stated goals of 1) including only individuals, the self-employed, or small businesses in a public plan and 2) modeling a future expansion of public insurance on the existing Medicare system. Taking those two factors into consideration, the researchers found that public premiums would be 30% less than private premiums, leading 32 million people to ditch their private insurance for the less expensive public ones.

    More outstandingly, if the type of public insurance plans put forth by Senators Clinton and Edwards were enacted – meaning that Medicare-like insurance was available to anyone who wanted it – the number of people on the public health care dole would climb to 121.2 million. 119.1 million people would leave private insurance – a 2/3 reduction.

    Medicare pays hospitals 30 percent less and doctors’ offices 20 percent less than private insurance because of its ability to bargain based on volume. Many think that public plans would reduce the rate of uncompensated care, because lower income individuals would have an easier time finding coverage. But the Lewin Group predicted that there would be a net decrease in compensation for doctors and hospitals because of decreased rates, even if decreased uncompensated care was taken into consideration.

    Robert Book, a Senior Research Fellow at the Heritage Institute, explained why public, single-payer systems account for reduction in coverage in a recent web memo:

    Although physicians usually face “take it or leave it” contracts from insurance companies, and most physicians have little ability to actually negotiate, a health plan that sets payment rates too low will find that many physicians choose to “leave it.”…In order to continue to sell the health plan (either to individuals or to employers), the insurance company will have to increase payments to induce physicians to join.
    The Lewin Group’s study, titled “The Cost and Coverage Impacts of a Public Plan: Alternative Design Options,” was designed as a “how to” manual for increased public health care, Sheils told the AP.

    .

  • Bill Hedges

    jd

    Somewhere in this world there must be a working model of a better health care system sponsered by government.

    Can you name them and give links. Inquring mind wants to know. You constantly talk how bad our sytem is.

    but you give no better “working model”