Pres-elect Obama unveils lofty economic plan

President-elect Obama on Saturday unveiled a new economic plan which involves rebuilding American infrastructure while simultaneously creating jobs for thousands around the country. Of course, these sorts of things always look better on paper, however, we should give him the benefit of the doubt at this point.

Report from Yahoo News:

CHICAGO – President-elect Barack Obama said Saturday he’s asked his economic team for a recovery plan that saves or creates more than 2 million jobs, makes public buildings more energy-efficient and invests in the country’s roads and schools.

“We won’t just throw money at the problem,” Obama said in his weekly radio address and Internet video. “We’ll measure progress by the reforms we make and the results we achieve — by the jobs we create, by the energy we save, by whether America is more competitive in the world.”

Obama’s remarks come after the Labor Department announced Friday that employers cut 533,000 jobs in November, the most in 34 years.

Obama said his plan would put millions of people to work by “making the single largest new investment in our national infrastructure since the creation of the federal highway system in the 1950s.”

He also wants to install energy-saving light bulbs and replace old heating systems in federal buildings to cut costs and create jobs.

School buildings would get an upgrade, too. “Because to help our children compete in a 21st century economy, we need to send them to 21st century schools,” Obama said.

As a part of the plan, Obama said he wants to expand Internet access in communities. Hospitals also should be connected to each other online.

“Here, in the country that invented the Internet, every child should have the chance to get online,” he said.

Obama said he would announce other details of the economic recovery plan in the coming weeks. He said he’d work with Congress to pass the initiative when lawmakers reconvene in January.

The plans were revealed during President-elect Obama’s weekly radio/YouTube address:

Another report from Politico:

President-elect Barack Obama added sweep and meat to his economic agenda on Saturday, pledging the largest new investment in roads and bridges since President Dwight D. Eisenhower built the Interstate system in the late 1950s, and tying his key initiatives – education, energy, health care –back to jobs in a package that has the makings of a smaller and modern version of FDR’s New Deal marriage of job creation with infrastructure upgrades.

The president-elect also said for the first time that he will “launch the most sweeping effort to modernize and upgrade school buildings that this country has ever seen.”

“We will repair broken schools, make them energy-efficient, and put new computers in our classrooms,” he said in the address.

The president-elect is bringing new elements of his domestic agenda into his economic recovery plan, committing to a path toward giving every American access to an electronic medical record as part of an “economic recovery plan … that won’t just save jobs, it will save lives.”

Obama had talked in the campaign about lowering health care costs by investing in electronic information technology systems, but not in the context of the economy.

Now, his key initiatives – education, energy, health care – are all being tied back to jobs.

“When Congress reconvenes in January, I look forward to working with them to pass a plan immediately,” Obama says in the address. “We need to act with the urgency this moment demands to save or create at least two and a half million jobs so that the nearly two million Americans who’ve lost them know that they have a future. And that’s exactly what I intend to do as president of the United States.”

Obama had committed just before Thanksgiving to saving or creating 2.5 million jobs in the next two years, more than twice his campaign promise of 1 million new jobs over an unspecified period. But he didn’t say how he would do it. On Saturday, he began to spell it out, offering “five key parts” of his economic plan:

—ENERGY: “We will launch a massive effort to make public buildings more energy-efficient. Our government now pays the highest energy bill in the world. We need to change that. We need to upgrade our federal buildings by replacing old heating systems and installing efficient light bulbs. That won’t just save you, the American taxpayer, billions of dollars each year. It will put people back to work.”

—ROADS AND BRIDGES: “We will create millions of jobs by making the single largest new investment in our national infrastructure since the creation of the federal highway system in the 1950s. We’ll invest your precious tax dollars in new and smarter ways, and we’ll set a simple rule – use it or lose it. If a state doesn’t act quickly to invest in roads and bridges in their communities, they’ll lose the money.”

—SCHOOLS: “My economic recovery plan will launch the most sweeping effort to modernize and upgrade school buildings that this country has ever seen. We will repair broken schools, make them energy-efficient, and put new computers in our classrooms. Because to help our children compete in a 21st century economy, we need to send them to 21st century schools.”

—BROADBAND: “As we renew our schools and highways, we’ll also renew our information superhighway. It is unacceptable that the United States ranks 15th in the world in broadband adoption. Here, in the country that invented the Internet, every child should have the chance to get online, and they’ll get that chance when I’m president – because that’s how we’ll strengthen America’s competitiveness in the world.”

(Incoming White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel had talked about expanding broadband access, but this is the first time the transition has formally proposed it.)

—ELECTRONIC MEDICAL RECORDS: “In addition to connecting our libraries and schools to the Internet, we must also ensure that our hospitals are connected to each other through the Internet. That is why the economic recovery plan I’m proposing will help modernize our health care system – and that won’t just save jobs, it will save lives. We will make sure that every doctor’s office and hospital in this country is using cutting edge technology and electronic medical records so that we can cut red tape, prevent medical mistakes, and help save billions of dollars each year.”

Video report from CNN:


Since President-elect Obama has been taking quite an upfront role in these issues, the debate has begun over just how much he should be injecting himself into the current discussion and debate. Certainly he won the election, however, as Obama himself pointed out, we only have one president at a time. Some Democratic supporters, such as Representative Barney Frank, have stated Obama should be even more involved than he presently is.

President Bush has been accommodating in this regard, often inviting President-elect Obama’s transition team to sit in on meetings and be involved in the current planning and talks over economic issues.

  • Sounds expensive to me. I wonder how this will be paid for when we are throwing so much money everywhere.

  • Bill Hedges

    “We won’t just throw money at the problem,” Obama said

    Don’t look at the cost for nearly any government project. I never heard planes, tanks, and ships coming in on budget. Massive wide projects can only be higher % money wasted.

    With all this contruction going on, do you think that will lower or raise contruction bids, wages, suppies,etc..How many of these projects can hire unskilled ?

    I have heard $6-7 trillion debt for Obama’s plans. Maybe $10 + now. Who knows ? I am sure Nate would have given the estimate if one had been given by Obama.

    How about the funding. It is nearly a given rich won’t get taxed higher or higher capital gains, at least for near future. National debt will blast though our atmosphere.. How will that help you in buying homes with low interest rates, credit cards, cars, etc..When money tightens. And boy will it tighten

    Rule of supply and demand- As demand rises for money, contruction work, etc, then supply falls and cost will rise.

  • Grey

    Smells a lot like what FDR did in the 1930s. Theoretically it makes sense, but I have my doubts as to how effective such policies will be in this day and age. It’s arguable that FDR’s plans even worked in the 1930s, let alone now.

    I will say this- I like it a lot better than the BS corporate bailouts we’ve been handing out as of late. I don’t think that any good has been coming out of that endeavor.

  • Bill Hedges

    Alabama has new tax idea. Tax farm animals for pollution. PETA is for it (oh boy)!

    Oprah is whinning because Sarah has not appeared on her show. Book sales do well on her show and Sarah has a book coming out. Remember Oprah would not have Sarah on her show until after election. Don’t do her show Sarah. Let Oprah see your book hit # 1 top seller without her.

    Obama has $30 million left in donations. Should he put that into his new plan ?

  • Bill, not only does he have money left, but his campaign site is still sending out emails asking for donations. He should Put ALL of this into his plans for this country, and certainly not in advertising and his pocket.

    I agree, it is a good way to raise money, but he had BETTER be using it to help us, not him! Now that it is not for a political campaign, I’m not sure if there is any cap on how much people can donate. If he DOES put ti toward mending this country, here is the chance for all these million ad billionaires to do their part and donate, especially if taxes do not go up on the rich.

    There is an idea. If Obama promises not to raise taxes on the rich, the rich have to promise to donate what they can to help rebuild this country that allowed them to become to rich.

  • Bill Hedges

    Ayers received a educational grant from the private sector. Obama gave funds to that women choice group and Acorn among others. They in turn helped Obama with money and election. Obama now will get Federal money for these two groups and laws that help them. Acorn already received federal money and would have in bail-out but was taken out. Same principle as Pork belly spending. Same process that lead to sub-prine melt down. This is how politicans get elected, personally rich and waste tax dollars. A dirty process that most of our politicians follow.

    The idea is not for Rich to donate. It is for Rich to create jobs. Donation is fleeting help. A job is a career and self respect. Productive. The way our economy grows. How America became the envy of the World. Government role is to create ways a individual can quaify for better jobs if that person so desires and wishes to better himself and family.

    Part of government function is intrastucture. Among which is bridges, roads,etc. To provide incentives for the private sector to do things that otherwise would not be done as quickly. To help push business to help the people. Such as up-grade the internet. ATT, for example, has the intrastucture to provide internet to America. Government does not. To get internet to unprofitable areas government must give tax breaks or other incentives. As government might give tax incentives to individuals to add solar panels to their house, buy alternative fuel cars, build lower rent apartments, or add employees to their business.

    What caused our economic mess in America is government screwing up our businesses. Forcing home loans to unqulified buyers. Not regulating loaners to honest fair practices and no interest rate manipulation.

    Those same crimials in Congress are bailing out the companies that they put in that situation. O.J. was videoed from the time he planned to the time the guns were pointed at people in that casino in his Vegas caper. There is no doubt of his guilt. Yet he pleas innocent. Well he isn’t and is going to jail. Those in Congress are guilty and not going to jail. That’s wrong. They caused hardship to countless people around the world. Lost $ trillions of our government dollars. And personal loses to their citizens.
    And Dodd gives Big Three a tongue lashing ?

    There are good reasons why a Candidate keeps some money in reserve for after election. McCain accepted Federal matching funds and open to audits. The Feds are auditing his donations and lawyers are needed. Lawyers might have been needed for contested situations. Other expenses as well make it necessary to have funds on hand.

  • Babs

    I have two problems with his plan.

    The number one problem is his proposal to spend millions of dollars on the school buildings ignoring the real problem in our schools – the lack of good teachers and the high rate of failure, drop out, and low test scores. It’s the children IN the schools he should be paying attention to, not the light bulbs.

    And speaking of the light bulbs, if he’s proposing to use the China made light bulbs that create a chemical crisis if broken, he’d better back up ten and punt. If he can’t use the improved lighting that’s made in the USA, I’m against it.

    As far as roads and bridges go, I say we put the prison populations back to work on the highways like we did in the 60’s. They paid their way back then while we were giving them room and board. That would save millions of dollars right there.

    The internet has been a pet of his throughout his campaign, and I have mixed feelings about it. Computers in the schools, with classes for all, yes. Internet, youtube, chat rooms, and such, not so much. We have kids commiting suicide on the internet, for God’s sake, and toddlers being abused on youtube. He’d better clean up the internet before he turns millions of gullible children on to it.

  • Bill Hedges

    Babs

    Is Obama pushing for the faster speed internet or just internet ? I get tired of all the garbage. Pop-ups, ads,and sites repeated countless times by millionaire want-a-be’s. I believe in sections as well. Maybe like for movies. G, PG, etc.. Was such a shame about the little girl that commited suicide caused by neighbor pretending to be insulting young man. And the peditors !

    I seem to remember his plan for electronic medical record would take a long time. Doctors and hospitals would have to hire workers. Pay them. And charge more. Will medicare be willing to pay Doctors and hospitals more money ? Or is this a non-funded requirement (government favored term) ?

    I believe it is a Sheriff in Arizonia that has road cleaning prison chain gangs, male and female. Voluntary. Get shortened sentance. Sherif serves sandwiches. He eats them too. Has tents for overflow prisoners. I bet you have seen him on T.V.. He is mine and brother hero. Wins hands down each election. He say don’t like food, dont come back.

    Texas you would like. Some grow food for prisons and well as for public shools. Meat & milk products too. By hand. Few machines on these big farms.

    Education reform and improvment will be awhile. These bail out crap will have be keeping Congress busy, that and their long vacations. Getting rid of tenure should be at top of the list.

    Congress is so full of crap. Last week Congress wanted first lean for the money they loaned Big Three. Even on previous lean property. Our ignorant Congress people now say “first protection”. Using term change to hide the fact that they are ignorant. That they can not override a lean like that. Congress is all show. No substance. Bunch of thieves.

  • I am all for reducing taxes on the rich, IF in fact, they are working to create more jobs, rather than cutting jobs so they can pay themselves outrageous sums of money.

    If the rich can prove they are creating these jobs, rather than saying that they do this.

    I agree, why on each would we promote China by using their products in our schools and government buildings rather than using technology that we are putting out. We are not helping our country by making massive changes in our buildings with another countries product, we are helping their country.

    I have been complaining about NOT using prisoners for labor for a long time. On one hand, I am NOT for creating larger prison populations by convicting people and giving them bogus long prison terms, though this is a completely different subject.

    If we are going to have densely populated prisons, we may as well educate them and use them for labor. It’s cheap labor, and as long as these people have been taught the skills it takes to build roads/highways, ect, then put them to work, but justly reward them for their labor. Cut their sentences, feed them well, don’t simply pimp them.

    I am all for advances in internet. The internet is very easily filtered for young people. I don’t know about other areas, but here in Saint Petersburg, Florida, if you go to a public library, tons of the garbage is completely filtered and blocked.

    Parents can easily purchase this software used by libraries and take control of their children’s internet experience.

    Yes there is trash on the internet, but I don’t agree that we should stop allowing people to put the trash on the internet, we should block it from reaching our computers if we so choose. If you block it, you don’t see it, no harm done.

  • Bill Hedges

    Kendale

    Cost of housing prisoners is not cheap. It has been said it is cheaper to send a prisoner to college. I know Arizonia Sheriff plan is voluntary and sentance is shortened. In-mates said they liked getting out. Would imagine they would get more food since they burned calories. As far as Texas, I believe it is voluntary. They get small hourly compesation. Some given to buy at PX and rest when released. Building roads as seen in “Cool Hand Luke” is long gone as far as I know.

    Gas price is falling because of economic law of “supply and demand”. As demand goes down, supply increases and price drops. As bussines have less customers buying their pruducts, they wll have less need for workers and lay off workers. If Busness does not cut cost, all employees wil be laid off when business closes.

    I have never used a “blocker” for internet and no not what they can do. I am going to look it up and see if it takes care of problems that bother me

    Making improvements in federal buildings and schools for energy savings is a cost effective expense. If done within reason. Solar or wind power could be a option. Although the good alternate companies are producing at full compacity. I know GE wind power plant has at least a year waiting list.

  • I have heard the story behind it being cheaper to send someone to college then sending them to prison.

    Though I’d rather send someone to college, a person isn’t likely to go to college, do well, and graduate, and become a great citizen of given the choice over prison. Though the opportunity should be given while in prison.

    Bill,

    I use AVG Security and Firefox. I do not get ANY popups, ever. I do not get viruses, and I do not get adware/spyware. AVG has a free version that works pretty much the same as the one you can buy.

    I am not sure the name of the programs that prevent people from accessing “bad websites” since I don’t really need it yet. My daughter is 8 years old, and I sit with her while she uses the computer. Though I will look into them very soon. I’ll likely just ask my librarian what the library uses, and but that. The program is very effective, you can block any site you wish, and though I am very good at finding loopholes in these type of programs, I have been unable to get around the one at the library, so I would totally buy that one for my home, and my ex-wifes home to keep my daughters internet time safe.

  • Oh, and you don’t have to program the application to block specific sites, you can set it to block, types of sites, and it automatically blocks sites that you have never heard of that has certain types of content you dont want your children to view.

    The thing I like most about them is that they block proxy sites, which are used to view sites that the blocking applications are set to block. Proxies are what I use to view sites in certain places that I go to in which they have these programs loaded on. Though at the library, this does not work, which is excellent!

  • Bill Hedges

    Smell of politics in bail out

    A window making company closes it doors. Bank of America , who has received bail out money, had stopped “line of credit” to this compamy. Ex-employees have picketed wanting certain wage benefits.

    Now some Congress people and Obama are stepping in. Wanting workers to receive the wage benefits and possibily re-open the company.

    Are we seeing another “sub-prime” situation developing ? Government forcing bank to loan money to unquified company ?
    ……………………………………………………

    Bush got the bill for Big 3. He’s not liking. Signs in bill is more money may be needed. More, you can count on it.

  • Babs

    It’s so nice to get on here this morning and see a good conversation thread!

    First, I know that there are parental and other controls for the internet. The schools may or not use them, but they’re there. What my beef about the internet is, though, that parents don’t use them, and worse, they buy their kids cell phones with internet access where there are NO controls at all. If I understand my granddaughter correctly, this is where a lot of kids are going wild. And another point, even if you screen students in school on the internet, you’re just delaying the onslaught of what they’ll be exposed to when the screening comes down at some point. We either have to police the internet more carefully, or educate the children more about right and wrong.

    I agree on the education aspect. It’s the teachers and learning programs we should be focused on, not the building. That’s like saying its ok to judge a person by how they look, not what’s on the inside. While on one hand, kids are studying subjects in grammar school that we didn’t study until junior high, the quality of the education is not there, and those that fail are slipping through the cracks more than ever before. There should be a report card for teachers. When over half the children in one class are failing at one time, no one is looking at the teacher, and that’s wrong. I think obama’s proposal is shallow and doesn’t touch the real problems. McCain was right, in that there are many teachers out there today that need to find another line of work, because they’re not doing the one they’re being paid to do.

    I hadn’t heard about the Arizona Sheriff, but that’s a good program, and I would support it federally. It is extremely costly to house prisoners, and they need to pay their way with taxpayers – the same as the banks we are supporting in the bailout. Also, I believe it’s a deterrant to repeat offenders. It’s too easy to be in prison now. I’m reminded of a local news clip here a few years ago. The head of the local NAACP chapter was on the 6:00 news laying into the Sheriff about poor jail conditions – no specific reason, apparently she just needed something to complain about that day. Live on the air the Sheriff turned to her, smiled, and said, “Well, they must like it pretty well. They keep coming back.” I don’t think I’ll ever forget that exchange. The NAACP lady was speechless, there was no argument she could make. It’s repeat offenders who clog up the system, and if jail was bad enough, maybe they wouldn’t keep coming back. Making them work for a living while incarcerated is the ticket, IMO.

    Bill, if you use Internet Explorer as your browser, you have a built in popup blocker. Look under your “tools” icon at the top of your window. 😉

  • Bill Hedges

    My hero, Sheriff Jo Arpai of Maricopa Arizona, has started a new chain gang. Began with 15 conviced DUI drivers. They wear bright pink shirts. On front it says “Sherif DUI chain gang.” On back “Clean (ing) and Sober” This is my kind of justice.

    Beats them hiding in their cells watching T.V…I like divers taking notice of drunk drivers doing their civic duties and not killing innocent bystanders while driving drunk..

    The Sheriff saves County tax dollars by providing labor for the dog pound.

  • Bill Hedges

    His first name is Joe. Made spelling error

  • Babs

    Wow, where are you reading all about this Sheriff? I think I like him!!

  • Bill Hedges

    dui-chain-gang-dressed-in-pink

    You taught me to use link. But not complitely right

  • D.D.Mao

    To the Liberal left “Higher Education” means only the cost.
    Welcome to “O”merica.

  • Babs

    You got it half right, Bill. Copy the entire address, when it’s all copied it will turn blue in the line. Then paste it in again. That should work. 😉

    Amen, D.D.Mao.

  • Babs

    Well, well. The Dems just can’t write a piece of legislature without a little pork in it:

    Page 35 of 37 pages:
    “(c) AUTHORIZATION OF FISCAL YEAR 2009 COST OF
    5 LIVING SALARY ADJUSTMENT FOR JUSTICES AND
    6 JUDGES.—Pursuant to section 140 of Public Law 97–92,
    7 justices and judges of the United States are authorized
    8 during fiscal year 2009 to receive a salary adjustment in
    9 accordance with section 461 of title 28, United States
    10 Code.”

    This doesn’t have a thing to do with the Big 3 or their bailout! Just more taxpayer money for salary raises. You can see the entire bailout in pdf form here:

    http://www.foxbusiness.com/pdfs/Auto_bill_prelim.pdf

  • Bill Hedges

    Will Obama fire all Attorney Generals as Clinton did. One was investigating Clinton. Will Obama fire the one investigatng Il. Governor ?

    Did Morris says bail out is for UAW. Bankruptcy is fine for Big Three. But UAW would loose big wages and Obama won those votes.

    Stupid Il. Govenor pulled a Garry Hart, daring people to tape him day before his arrest. Goes he own a boat named “Money Business”

    Spokesman for Obama said Obama had spoke to Governor about his seat. Obama later denies. Then spokeman said he made mistake. hummm.

  • Babs

    Yes, A newspaper article in Chicago reported on Nov. 5th Obama was meeting with the Ill. Gov that day, if a meeting took place, it’s on tape and will come out.

    It was Gary Hart’s boat that was named “Monkey business”.

  • Bill Hedges

    Babs

    I think the Il. Govenor should also have a boat named “Monkey Business”. They both dared people to find something wrong with their actions.

    http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911

    Who has more oil ? America or Saudia Arabia ? Let ours rot in the ground ! America doesn’t burn oil or need jobs ?

  • Jeremy

    Babs,

    It’s not the horrible teachers. It’s the horrible parents behind the students. Teachers are there to teach the facts regardless of how boring they are, parents are there to make sure their children learn from what they were taught in school that day, etc.

    Putting the blame on people who are seriously underpaid for the level of education that they go through is ridiculous.

    Parents are the sole individuals to blame for this coutries poor educational level!

    If you look at any of the leading countries in education, the parents put their children in school from a very early age. Once they are finished school for that day, they are in extracirricular classes for another 1 – 3 hours every day and the parents pay for it.

    My apologies if this sounds a little harsh, but this is what is wrong with the US as it is today. It is always someone elses fault for personal problems when in fact, it is mostly the individuals that got them in the situation that they are in.

  • Babs

    Jeremy, as a whole, I agree with you. But having been around for two boys and nine grandchildren I can tell you that there are teachers out there that need replacing badly. I’m dealing with one of them right now, trust me. Sure, parents have a big responsibility, and many shirk that responsibility. But its the quality of our teachers as well. I actually had a teacher tell me one time they didn’t care if my son learned or not. I could tell she was telling the truth because over half the children in her class was failing – when that’s the margin something’s wrong in the classroom.

    The problem needs to address ALL who are to blame – many parents AND many teachers.

    Do you have any children in public school? And did you go to public school, and if so, did you NEVER have a teacher that you knew was subpar?

  • D.D.Mao

    Babs and Jeremy………….I don’t have any answers but here’s a few causes to the education problem besides the ones you already discussed.If throwing money was the cure for a bad education system the District of Columbia and New York City would crank out the best students in the country.Unfortunatly they are at the bottom of the scale.With prices going up more and more churches are closing their parochial schools or the parents can’t afford sending their kids there anymore.Thus more kids going to public schools.And finally the teachers unions being in bed with the Democrat party.

  • DDMao

    LMAO…… The Messiah’s Administration is having problems and having to defend itself even before it gets to the starting gate.The Messiahs people having talks with Ill.governor selling “O” seat,Rick Warren giving the speech at his inaugeration,Richardson accepting free airplane trips and now foreign donors to the Clinton Foundation.And THE LIBERAL LEFT HAS MISTRUST OF CORPORATIONS AND CAPITALISM WHILE HAVING BLIND TRUSTOF MORE GOVERNMENT???

  • Babs,

    Sorry I’m late, life has not been so great lately. Though I do agree, policing i theory would be a great thing for the Internet, but I don’t see that ever happening here in the US. Plus imagine the up roar it would cause. Look at China and how people are protesting about the blockage of sites as simple as Google.com.

    Blocking Americans from sites and blocking people from pasting their interests on the internet has to be some sort of violation of the constitution.

    Again, their are better ways to education and police young minds than censoring the internet.

    And I know, I say you mention that in your statement. when you said, “Or educate your children”

    Many parents do not, but they MUST talk to their children about negative issues and subject matter BEFORE their children witness it on their own. My Daughter is only 7, but I have, for years, discussed sensitive subjects. It is amazing what children are exposed to even by the time they are 5 years old. I am not sure where she learned about it, surely not in my home, but my child and her entire Kindergarten class knew what oral sex was, these are 5 year old children.

    When I found out about this, I immediately began having the sensitive talks with my child as all parents should be doing. In only 2 years, nearly 3, after this K class drama, my daughter and I have grown closer than I could have imagined. She is very comfortable asking me questions that I would not even imagine hearing coming from such a young persons mouth.

    We take time out every single day to just sit and talk, not just about our day, not just about school, but about life in general.

    I refuse to allow my child to become a victim of the poor education system we have, nor will I allow her to be captured by the horrible world we are all born into. I want her to control her life, not let life control her.

    Until 100% of parents in this world decide to take the same approach, I am not sure how the world can be a great place to live in.

  • I wonder how much Obama will get away with. There’s going to be immense backlash against him, and every conservative will have no reservations against fighting him, though they would have reservations against opposing such an agenda if the President doing it were a Republican.

  • DDMao

    Christopher…………..That isn’t neccesary true. Us conservatives opposed Bush on many things he tried. The Dubai port deal,Campaign finance reform ,Harriet Miers as Supreme Court judge,Expanding Medicare,the bank and auto bailout,and of course his excessive spending like a sober liberal.In fact most Conservatives feel Bush (take your choice which one)is a huge disappointment.

  • Bill Hedges

    I am disappointed that Bush and McCain did not yell louder about Fanny and Freddy needing reform in 2006. If they had gone to the people, Sub prime might not of destroyed our economy. And McCain would be President elect.

    McCain should have voted against bail out and screamed to the public about pork for Acorn in 1st bail out . As Sean Hannity and Dick Morris advised.

    Bush should have vetoed all those bills that had hugh amount of pork in last two years by Democrat controled Congress. Mushrooming National Debt.

  • DDMao

    Bill………..I totally agree with you on Bush should have wielded his veto pen more during his 8 years.However I don’t believe the American public wanted to hear or would have listened to any more about Acorn or anything else related to the Messiah regardless of how factual everything the right said.The Republicans had three things going against them this past election.The first is the economy (along with $4 a gal.for gas). The second was the great dislike for Bush (hell half the country hated him from day 1 in 2000).The third thing was much of the country wasn’t concerned with issues,experience nor character. They wanted and voted for personality and if this person was black so much the better this way they proved they weren’t bigots.No Dr. Kings dream of a man being judged by his character and not his skin worked just the opposite in this election.

  • DDMao

    IMPORTANT NOTICE…………Tomorrow the 21st of December 2008 in celebration of President-Elect Obama it is declared “Global Orgasism for Peace Day”.For more information see http://www.globalorgasism.org Of course if you wake up the next day and there are still wars in the world it means two things.One you have to keep trying and two she faked it again.

  • DDMao

    CORRECTION…………….Thats http://www.globalorgasm.org

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    All you said is true. But I think there was enough thinking people left that had Bush and McCain went public about sub prime in 2006, bad home loans could have been stopped and this recession could have been overted. Acorn, Frank, Obama,etc. was the heart of this disaster.

  • Bill Hedges

    Alpha Male. I like that. In the pack, only Alpha will rule and produce. Any challenger will be cast-out of the pack.

    Hillary once elected used all three of her names. Now you can use all three of Obama’s name. He will be sworn in with all three.

    Was his middle name a vote getter ??

  • DDMao

    Bill………..I can’t disagree with you on where the blame goes although I’m sure there are some members who believe the Flim-flam and blame the greedy bankers etc.
    I read a story recenty about a bakery who refused to put a boys name on his birthday cake.It is Adolf Hitler and the author of the article wrote with his tongue firmly in his cheek “Can you imagine any parents naming there kid after a ruthless dictator”.”Why even if they gave him those middle names he would never stand a chance of becoming President”.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    Greed was there. Clinton law on housing and Frank forcing F/F to make bad loans certainly opened the flood gates. Banks simple passed the paper off on others. Hugh amouts of money for these loans from government sealed our fate.

    I stopped day trading when sub prime home paper was bundled with higher rated loans in order to up rating & value. I begain daytrading friday. Stock prices are so depessed but some seemed to bottomed.

    Our next crsis is in the works now. I expect Big Three will end up getting $200 billion and still at least one will go under. Gas will surpass $5.00 with off-shore drilling not opened up and Alaska pipeline shutting down ( losing 1/4 of U.S. oil ) because of lack of oil to keep pipeline flowing.. All to help alternative energy.

    I saw the story about boy named Hitler and the birthday cake. Surely parents were white extremist ? To stupid to make a cake themselves. I make cakes, so easy.

  • Bill Hedges

    G.M. stopped building plant to make new alternative fuel cars. Democrats will get that started up quickly. G.M. know this and plow for money. Democrats are forcing non-gas cars on Big 3. High gas price will get new car buyers to buy these cars. Would not be surprised of a higher tax on gasoline and/or gas cars.

    That’s my belief…..

  • DDMao

    Bill……..You seem to be into trading more than I am and therefore know more about the in’s and out’s of it.I did read an article recently(I can’t remember where) about how they expressed the opinion that it’s the Big Three’s fault for not FORCING Toyota and Nissen to have unions in there plsnts in America.As President Reagan said (well sort of he said it about government) they (unions)aren’t the cure but the cause (in a minor way)of the problem.Of course I don’t mean to let management get away with their total mishandling of the problem.
    My thoughts about the Messiahs Government works project is he is adding to the problem.FDR had 35% and higher unemployment while we are at 61/2% hardly in need of a project on the FDR scale.The private sector is the best way at this point and time if government would only get out of the way.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    I do try to keep up on news that turn the market, but I am not a expect. Obviously all of Obama’s plans affect businsses and stock value. General speaking I use method called channeling or rolling. Some stocks tend to rise and fall in a pattern.

    Some States have “open shop” where worker has a choice of joining or not joining a union. In my job I had a choice and did not join union. I believe Big 3 workers must join the union , called “closed shop” I hope my explaination and terms are correct.

    There is no doubt that in the early days of unions they did great good. A look at UAW is example of union that overdid it. Killed the golden goose, so to speak. UAW recently spoke only of begining wages. Which is low. That does not represent the wage scale. That I did not hear from recent UAW spokesman. When plants close in January, workers have agreement and will receive 95 % of their pay. Not using sick/vacation time either.

    During FDR my Dad planted trees. As you said, there is no comparason in unemployment. Listening to some in Congress, they are alike.

    What spending project of the government are you proud of ? Military spending? Etc.. Name one that is on bubget and on time? As well as usefull. Recent building addition to Congress was completed late and way over budget ( and this was not a rushed project ).

    Does pork come to mind when considering government spending. Also government contract wages for projects are general higher than the norm for that section of the ountry.

    I heard these projects must begin quickly to get the economy going. All these projects must hire workers with experience in that field. Sounds like a shortage or workers and companies could easily occur, Supply and demand dictate higher cost. Including material prehaps as well.

    With a massive Democrat controled Congress. They will do well what they do best. PORK. PORK. PORK

    Government management of these projects will be poor. History proves that. I do not take proud in its management of social security, etc.

    We have had simular high unemployment in my lifetime. And $ trillions worth of projects did not occur that I recall. That occured during depression. We are not in a depression. No where near. Obama will spend, whatever it takes, to get America back working. It does not matter we must borrow the money.

    Obama will spend, whatever it takes, to get health plan for Americans. Another well run program ?

    In the originaL estimated $700 trillion bail out, $ 2 trillion was assigned to ACORN AND OTHER GROUPS. A way to get Democrats elected ? Acorn backed Obama. Democrat Congress will fund Acorn.

    I don’t trust the motives or needs

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D. Mao

    Thank God Congress stopped “Golden Parachutes” ! Obama told mayors no pork, when presented with “wish list” ! How belieable ?
    …………………………………………………..
    Dec 21, 10:16 AM (ET)

    By FRANK BASS and RITA BEAMISH

    Compensation Surveys – Benchmark employee, sales & exec pay & equity against your industry

    “Banks that are getting taxpayer bailouts awarded their top executives nearly $1.6 billion in salaries, bonuses, and other benefits last year, an Associated Press analysis reveals.

    The rewards came even at banks where poor results last year foretold the economic crisis that sent them to Washington for a government rescue. Some trimmed their executive compensation due to lagging bank performance, but still forked over multimillion-dollar executive pay packages.

    Benefits included cash bonuses, stock options, personal use of company jets and chauffeurs, home security, country club memberships and professional money management, the AP review of federal securities documents found.”
    ……………………………………………………

    What is Congress’s cut ? Oh yeah, to serve their citizens.

  • DDMao

    Bill………..Well it doesn’t seem we differ much(at all) on Congress,Pork,spending,UNIONS,ACORN or anything else.You are correct about the “open shop” rule in some states and how they have overstepped there usefullness.Even in military spending money allocation is duplicated between the different branches and overcharged by contractors who supple the military.No ………there isn’t much you can justify outside what is listed in the First Admendment.
    There is an article on Yahoo news(I’m assuming it’s AP since most of Yahhoo news is) which says the banks can’t justify how the bailout money is going to be spent.Speaking of a brass set how about “W” after Congress says no to an auto bailout he overrides their decision and uses money specificlly allocated for financial institutions.Did he ever hear of “Seperation of Powers”

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    Having Bush give money to Big 3 was Congress “countability”. You can count on Democrats to blame Bush if it goes bad. And blame Republicans blocking bill if it goes well, What will happen the next two year ? Still blaming Bush I guess. Bush should have blamed Clinton for the recession he had when he first became President.

    I think we all saw this logic being used in originial bail out. Democrat leadership wanted 1/2 of votes be Republican. Then if bail out went bad it is Bush fault.

    Republican could have passed these legisltion. I don’t know their numbers in Senate. Don’t they have enough if all Democrats vote for it?

    I am against these bail outs. I am deap south Conservative. Texas level. Many of the big finacial companies were bought out. Bankruptcy could have reorganized many. Congress instead of going on vacation could have structured a banruptcy for big 3. Hey, 2nd richest man in
    Russia is going into bankruptcy !

    I do not blame Bush completely. In Office you know the secret briefing stuff. Look at Obama. If I believed Obama honestly believed his words, he might have changed some because of these briefing ?

    I am against bail out. Our system is the best. Bail out is not our way.

  • Christopher Schwinger

    Referring to Dec. 20, 7:06 post:

    D D Mao, I wasn’t saying we conservatives haven’t opposed Bush. However, standards have declined greatly in the last 8 years regarding what we allow or expect in a President and in the Republican Party. 8 years ago, John McCain was unacceptable to conservatives. Today, that’s very different; even though his support came because of Sarah Palin, they still knew they were voting for a potential President they hated.

  • Bill Hedges

    “Where’d the bailout money go? Shhhh, it’s a secret

    AP – Elizabeth Warren, who chairs an oversight committee set up by Congress to oversee the bailout, is interviewed … WASHINGTON – It’s something any bank would demand to know before handing out a loan: Where’s the money going?

    But after receiving billions in aid from U.S. taxpayers, the nation’s largest banks say they can’t track exactly how they’re spending the money or they simply refuse to discuss it.

    “We’ve lent some of it. We’ve not lent some of it. We’ve not given any accounting of, ‘Here’s how we’re doing it,'” said Thomas Kelly, a spokesman for JPMorgan Chase, which received $25 billion in emergency bailout money. “We have not disclosed that to the public. We’re declining to.”

    The Associated Press contacted 21 banks that received at least $1 billion in government money and asked four questions: How much has been spent? What was it spent on? How much is being held in savings, and what’s the plan for the rest?

    None of the banks provided specific answers.

    “We’re not providing dollar-in, dollar-out tracking,” said Barry Koling, a spokesman for Atlanta, Ga.-based SunTrust Banks Inc., which got $3.5 billion in taxpayer dollars.

    Some banks said they simply didn’t know where the money was going.

    “We manage our capital in its aggregate,” said Regions Financial Corp. spokesman Tim Deighton, who said the Birmingham, Ala.-based company is not tracking how it is spending the $3.5 billion it received as part of the financial ”
    …………………………………………………………………………..
    Now we are giving money to big 3
    ( or shall we say little three. ). Big owner of Crsyler has offered to give company to the workers, I heard on CNBC. Congress will save this company ?

    Belgium has right idea. King Albert of Belgium had entire government resign. Go Congress. Go

  • DDMao

    Christopher………..Very sharp perception which I misunderstood in your original post.Hopefully with a change in Republican leadership in Congress(which we’ll findout about in January)we can head in the direction that will get the country on the “RIGHT” track.Because of what you described I consider myself a Conservative before a Republican.Any sites you would recommend for good Conservative info?

  • DDMao

    Bill……..At age 61 I’m well aware of how the Liberal Left works.Bush would have had a problem blaming B.J.(and that doesn’t stand for Bill Jefferson Clinton) for any recession since when he was in office we had the end of the Cold War (which gave us less money to spend on defense) and the high-tech bubble which burst right before Bush took office.The big problem is the banks might be putting the bailout money into savings and not toward what it was meant for is what worries the government now.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    I remember the tech bust, I begain trading then paying those high trade cost. I did not buy into it luckily.

    I think the banks are being smart. It is going to get real bad. 1 of the little 3 will fall at least. Russia and Germany are in very bad shape. The mid East has many Countries that suppliment the income of their people. Like Saudia Arabia. Also Russia .

    I see more than economic woes. How about civil unrest.

    You are 3 years older than me

  • DDMao

    Bill …………It’s good to know how old someone you are having a conversation with is so you don’t talk down or assume to much.”LOL”
    I came across an article which you might enjoy. It’s entitled “10 companies which won’t make it through 2009” You can find it at http://www.247wallst.com/2008/12/companies-that.html
    One company is the New York Times which is $4oo million in debt and they feel will have to mortgage it’s HQ in NYC(with uncertain results)

  • DDMao

    I just read that President-Elect Obama is going to use the same Bible which Abe Lincoln used in his first inaugation back in 1861.This is the only time it was used since then.

  • DDMao

    It’s being reported in the Washington Times (by Bill Gertz 12/22)that Defense Secretary Gates sent out an “E” mail on 19th of December 2008 asking 250 Defense Department employees to stay on unless otherwise told by the end of business on 12/22.The Defense Secretary said this is by authorization of President-Elect Obama.40 positions require Senate ok and other agencies are not asking their people to stay….only Defense.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    Companies must go by the rule, “survial of the fitest”. Wolves in the wild kill the sick, weak, and old. Bankrupcy and closing does the same for companies. Weeds out companies not fuctioning in its envinment. A normal process. Not something to fear.

    Obama has a lot of jobs that ‘SERVES AT THE PRESIDENT’S PLEASURE.’ I am not suprised he did not send that email to CIA.. I expect Obama to destroy the CIA. And many to leave if wrong Director is appointed. I wonder if Obama will close our jail in Cuba, and when. And where the prisoners will go. I see the less dangerous are being released already..

    The New York Time was a good paper.(long ago) Is a pile of manure now. Their story on Bush Sunday was very misleading. An attempt to get on Obama side ,”we will cover you back side”, so maybe they will get bailed out.

    Obama using Lincoln Bible is a good touch. I hope Obama’s heart is to unite our Country in harsh times. To our betterment.

    I hope you enjoy the link

    http://play.sockandawe.com/

    I wonder what kind of game could have been done on Clinton.

  • Bill Hedges

    Washingston D.C. style of giving.

    When Obama handed out Ayres Educational private funds to distribute, abortion organization and Acorn received money. They turned around and gave to Obama. Tic for tac.

    So don’t be suprised that government money will be or has been filtered down to these groups.

    Here is a another filtered down donation. What awards has/ will follow ?

    http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=363140

    I saw on Fox about the e-mail. They are asked to stay until replaced. Some are not staying. Gates is staying. Is unuseual request

  • DDMao

    Bill…………With the Messiah using Lincolns Bible will he now be known as “Honest Obe”?
    Man !!! Just when I was having fun with sock and awe you have to sent that other link on where F&F sent money.Reality is a cold slap in the face.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    I must thank Babs for teaching me how to add links. So much corruption and lies coming from D.C…No wonder Il. Govenor wanted $ 500,000 for Flem Flam Man’s senate seat. Rewards for that post most be at least 10 fold a year to a Senator..

    Here is a interesting twist. Attorney General now wants Il. Congress to wait on impeachment. Trial will take some time by Attorney General. Obama could dismiss that attorney General. Maybe all Attorney Generals to cover his tracts, as Clinton did to cover firing Attorney General looking into Clinton’s acts. Stopping the trial ? Or has Obama worked out deal with the Attorney General ? Just a thought !

    Obama and Lincoln are alike. Both are tall. Both are thin.

    Could you program a game for Bill Clinton. Maybe with cigars ?

  • Bill Hedges

    Caroline Kennedy will not give interviews. She will not release her finnces. Oh no ! Another Sarah Palin. Worse. She has no government experience. Never been elected. Just a golden idol from the Kennedy family. In a time of major crisis, we need more. Obama has more experience than her !

  • DDMao

    Bill……….It might be easier to use Monica in that game you are thinking of with B.J.More possibilities if you use your imagination.
    Both the Messiah and Lincoln come from Illinios.
    Every state is entitled to be representation in the Senate.Camelot is not a state.Many Americans think the Kennedy’s are owed something for there government service.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D. Mao

    Caroline has volunteed to give her finances if choicen. Special rules you know.

    When Teddy killed (accident) his Secretary (who was pregant) he waited some time before contacting the police. A skepic would say he sobered up ! Or fetus was his ! But I won’t say that.

    Yes Cameot was not a State, it was Special. John and Mariyln Monroe shared this dream together. Bobby and Mariyn shared this dream together.

  • Christopher Schwinger

    Referring to D D Mao’s post from
    Dec 23rd, 2008 at 9:24 am

    I’m still looking for a good conservative site myself! I see problems with all of the ones I’ve found.

  • “Water glistening on the beautiful abs of Obama” – Washington Post Muahaha

  • Dreadsen

    I hope that youdecidepolitics gets up and going

  • DDMao

    Christopher…………….A few I enjoy are Townhall.com,Nationalreveiw.com, Patriot Post and Americanthinker.com There are others I go to on occasion like the Heritage Foundation for white papers.
    Dreadsen…………..I know what you mean.I expect it won’t be until the 20th of January.

  • Dreadsen

    Happy New year Everybody

  • DDMao

    Wishing everyone and their families a Happy and Healthy New Year throughout 2009.

  • Christopher Schwinger

    Here’s hoping YouDecidePolitics indeed does start January 20!

  • Bill Hedges

    With the election of Obana over, you hear few words of his past. Ayers, Wright, etc.. Acorn now is just a nut squirrels eat. Frank’s investigation will just fade away. Jay Leno though will continue cracking nasty jokes about Bush but make cutie pie jokes about Obama (for now).

    Obama’s political background reared its ugly head with the Il. Governor’s incident. Although he has been under investigation for years. The full results of which has not been revealed. How close this scandle is to Obama is unknown.

    Obama’s army found little bad about Sarah. Different Army have found real problems with one of Obama’s first picks ? More than simplely sending dead fish.
    ……………………………………………………
    Jan 4, 3:28 PM (ET)

    By NEDRA PICKLER

    WASHINGTON (AP) – New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson on Sunday announced that he was withdrawing his nomination to be President-elect Barack Obama’s commerce secretary amid a grand jury investigation into how some of his political donors won a lucrative state contract.
    …………………………………………………..

    Obama has many big political donors.

    With the largest contruction in American history promised. With Obamas promise of no PORK, Richardson appointment has turned into an embarrassment.

    This great hope that Obama brings may be true ? Bill Richardson may be innocent. The ivestigation by Obama’s army could not be expected to find this sort of thing ?

    To celebrate Obama’s comng to power, for the first time, bars will be open until 5 in the morning in D.C.. Will be a better celebration because of this ? Our children can learn from this ?

  • DDMao

    Sacre-Bleu ??? …….Bill Richardson? It can’t be he’s a close friend of the Clintons.
    Could it have been to not enough VETTING on the part of the Messiah?

  • Bill Hedges

    Later news I heard. Obama knew about Richardson problem in Aug…Richardson says he will be found innocent. Paraphase him from another innocent person…, “I am not a crook.”.. Or another innocent person paraphase,,” tape me all you want” Or your buddy…”I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”.. Phases I quoted has nothing to do with anything. I jus like usng them.

    Obama gave Ayers funds to that abortion group and Acorn. Then these two groups gave to Obama campaign. Soon taxpayers will be giving our money to these two group. How this is right is beyond my understanding.

    Obama lives in a ver nice home.. Being a Community leader must pay well

  • Bill Hedges

    Jonathan Martin Jonathan Martin – Sun Jan 4, 9:05 pm ET

    ………”Now some Democrats are questioning Obama’s vetting process —- and asking whether Obama’s team went far enough in pushing the New Mexico governor for information in face of the federal grand jury probe that has been public since August. ”
    ……….”Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs said Obama learned Friday that Richardson planned to withdraw. He also defended the vetting process, saying, “The totality of our cabinet picks, it’s impressive, and I think our vetters have done a good job.” “

  • Christopher Schwinger

    What do you guys think about the Gaza situation? I think Hamas and Israel are both at fault.

  • Bill Hedges

    Let Canada drop just one bomb on America. What would we do. What instead they dropped 3,000 on us.

    That’s what happened to the Jews. 3,000. When is enough…enough… What did the Jews do wrong ?

  • Christopher Schwinger

    At the same time, what about the way Israel has responded, harming Palestinian civilians en masse?

  • Bill Hedges

    The Jews are defending themselves. Those 3,000 rockets could have landed anywhere. They are not “smart bombs” aimed at military target. The other side does not wear uniforms. They hide their rocket launchers amoung private homes.

    What do they say……”Kill the Jews”

    There is no war where innoncent people do not die. There is no war were “friendly fire” does not kill. At least not to my knoweldge.

    If Palestinian civilians want to stop their citzens from being killed, it is in their hands. Stop killing and attacking the Jews. In my book, that puts the blame in Palestine.

    3,000 rockets. They knew this day would come. The Jews ,reluctantly, accepted the invitation to war.

    So, if you are of the same opionion, please answer this :

    ” both at fault.” Is what you said. Please explain what choice they had ? Do nothng, and let innocent Jews die ?

  • Christopher Schwinger
  • Bill Hedges

    I guess when Japam attacked Pearl Harbor, we could have turned the other cheek. By going to war with Japan, we are to blame too.

    We should not have dropped the atomic bombs, but attacked homeland Japan. Where 100,000’s and 100,000’s of american soilders were expected to die. One atomic bomb was not enough to get them to stop fighting !

    If gun shots were repeatedly fired into your home. While your family was home. You would do nothing ? Accept the daily fire as your fault and hope a loved one was not killed..

    Has not the Jews tried to live in peace. Gone to U.N. for help. How many times has the Jews been forced to go to war ? The enemy knew what their action would get them.

    It is the other side that asked for it. Now that they got it, they yell “not fair”.

    The only thing the Jews did wrong, is being ALIVE. Few agrue that the Jews are wrong. Has Obama ? Not to my knowledge. He is for them, at least that is what I have head him say.

  • Christopher Schwinger

    All I’m saying is that almost never is there one guilty party in a conflict. Israel, while not initiating the conflict, is using uranium as a means of bioterrorism against Gaza’s civilians. And FDR precipitated war with Japan by cutting off trade with Japan, a crisis which gave rise to more militant elements in Japan, which took over power there and decided to assault the South Pacific and Pearl Harbor.

  • DDMao

    Well Bill covered just about everything and did it flawlessly.All I have to add is Hamas is known to hide weapons in churches,Schools, and hospitals just as Israel experienced when Lebanon hunkered down in that mosque.Ask yourself this…..If the Palestinians are willing to strap bombs to their kids and send them into a crowed market place to kill INNOCENT CIVILIANS why wouldn’t they be willing to sacrifice civilians to the world media (using schools,hospitals and mosques to hide weapons)to further there cause?
    I believe the the Liberal Left has been using the same double fault excuse against the United States and Russia during the Cold War.And the Messiah used the same double fault logic when Russia invaded it’s neighbor last year.It sounds nice and it makes you seem objective but instead you are oblivious to the obvious..

  • DDMao

    christopher………..Just how is Israel using uranium against Gaza civilians?
    Are you saying Japan was justified in attacking us due to President Roosevelt stopping trade with them? If this is the case then Cuba should have declared war with us 47 years ago,While you are correct about us stopping tade with Japan they attacked China in 1934 well before we stopped trade.The military did take over the government but I hardly think was their major concern when they decided their South Pacific conquest.

  • Bill Hedges

    “uranium” ? Is used in tank shells against tanks or hardened mental objects.. For penetration. We use such shells. So do most armies.

    “using uranium as a means of bioterrorism against Gaza’s civilians”. – That’s a strong statement. Never heard that. Need proof.

    “And FDR precipitated war with Japan by cutting off trade with Japan, a crisis which gave rise to more militant elements in Japan”- nothing but an excuss. Our choice not to give supplies to help Japan ability to rage war is not a sound argument.

    “All I’m saying is that almost never is there one guilty party in conflict” Tell me , Just ignore 3,000 rockets. Has UN placed sanctions against the Jews for wrong behavior ? I don’t think so. I have not heard UN say they did anything wrong. Am I mis-takened ?

  • DDMao

    Christopher………..There was a country singer named Conway Twitty (yes thats the name he went by) and one of his songs was titled”You’ve got to stand for something or you’ll fall for anything”.A good policy to follow throughout life.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D. Mao

    Conway Twitty was doing shows in Branson. On a trip to Springfield he died at a quick food. I live in Springfield, Missouri. I like his songs.

    I doubt Christopher is into Country Music.

  • DDMao

    Bill….. As I mentioned to you once it’s good to know the person you are having a conversation with or at least know his age and experiences.
    While Christopher probably isn’t into country music he does seem to have a better grasp of history than most young people and I hope he doesn’t feel we are ganging up on him.I hope we continue to hear from him and I only used Conway Twitty’s song as an example.

  • DDMao

    Getting back to Richardson ……Maybe if the Messiah did a better vetting process instead of sending his lackies to do the equivalent of CSI-Wasilla and studying every follicle and fiber of Sarah Palin he would have caught this.Hmmmmmm Or did he know about it and hoped the Liberal Media would gloss over this like they did to his record?

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    But Sarah was a treat. It showed how Obama will attack those standing in his way. Obama stopped Biden’s interviews. Not much said about that. Blame Bush for things going bad, then steal the good that Bush’s does. Richardson has simular views to Flem Flam Man. He is Mexican, and his replacement should be Mexicanas well. Acorn was for illegals getting sub-prime housing loans. Generally speaking, minorites vote Democrat. And Democrat reward them with money.

    Richardson woes was public in Aug…Except for Il. Governor, I believe Richardson would not have stepped down.

    CIA choice is one that shows Messiahs true colors. Choice is not qualified. In a position very important to our National Security. I expect we will lose many of our fine CIA agents. Very sad.

    “Or did he know about it and hoped the Liberal Media would gloss over this like they did to his record? ” He has no record. The people ignored his past. Richarson and CIA drector choice is a glimpse into Obama’s past. And our future. As he let it slip to Joe the Plumber. I agree with you, Liberal Media will be unhappy. Have you ever seen a liberal satisfied. They will argue anything. Nothing is enough. Obama will not do enough to satisfy.

    Obama’s shield has become tarnished. A slight film will be placed on Lincoln’s Bible Jan. 20… i don’t see a long honeymoon for him. With no Bush to blame for his actions.

  • DDMao

    Bill………….I wasn’t aware of Richardson’s problem coming out in August as you mentioned.
    While you are probably right about losing many qualified CIA people(they are about 30 miles from me) I have read recently that the FBI is pushing to hire many not only agents but Technical people.
    The Messiah will get 90% of what he wants,the liberal media will say he isn’t getting it due to the Republicans and the Republicans will keep quiet.Thats my take on the future.

  • Bill Hedges

    Jonathan Martin Jonathan Martin – Sun Jan 4, 9:05 pm ET

    ………”Now some Democrats are questioning Obama’s vetting process —- and asking whether Obama’s team went far enough in pushing the New Mexico governor for information in face of the federal grand jury probe that has been public since August. ”
    ……….”Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs said Obama learned Friday that Richardson planned to withdraw. He also defended the vetting process, saying, “The totality of our cabinet picks, it’s impressive, and I think our vetters have done a good job.” “

    FBI-more Technical people.–A sign of the time. Do you live in OK ?

    I get tired of hearing Bush caused our economonic problem and Iraq war was for oil. So untrue. When you ask for proof, they give none.

    Yes somehow, they will blame Republicans.

    Obama plan follows Carter. Did not work. We need Reagan plan. Japan tried to get their economy going with constrction. That failed. Regan plan was private business. Are these folks going to work for twenty years for the government, then reire. No

  • Bill Hedges

    I can only hope that you are wrong ! I want Republicans yelling at the top of their voice. Against waste and Pork. Although Obama says things will be transparent without pork, I don’t believe it

  • Christopher Schwinger

    (No, I don’t feel like anyone’s ganging up on me.) Japan was not justified to attack Pearl Harbor, but I can explain further that FDR was complicit in provoking Japan to attack America. We know that Churchill was pressuring him heavily to get involved in the war (at the Atlantic Conference, for instance), which he tried to do by stationing people in the Arctic to tempt Hitler’s Wolf Packs. A lot of his interventions before getting a declaration of war didn’t get Congressional approval, though they were required to have that under the Constitution. There were also people stationed in China and America (representing our government), communists including John Stewart Service and Lauchlin Currie, who were looking out for Stalin’s best interest and telling the Roosevelt administration that the Japanese invasion of China was sufficient cause to get the US involved in war. Then there was the instance of FDR firing Admiral Richardson for objecting to moving the naval base from California to Hawaii, and George Marshall ignoring Pearl Harbor’s constant requests for up-to-date radar and other supplies. (And a lot more additional evidences.)

    This video is a starter on the uranium issue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFjooAPtyTo

    Also, I’m not saying anything in favor of Hamas; I’m just saying that Israel is not just defending itself.

  • Christopher Schwinger

    Pardon me; I meant Owen Lattimore instead of John Service.

  • Bill Hedges

    I have always felt FDR wanted to go to war. A necessary thing to do. I also know the people did not want to go to war.. As far as the Pearl Harbor, alot of guess work, Hard facts have never come out about assumptions on Pearl habor. I have heard assumptions for 40 years and the other things pertaining that you mentioned.

    “Israel, while not initiating the conflict, is using uranium as a means of bioterrorism against Gaza’s civilians” This may be your belief, you stated it as a fact. Which you have not shown. The link shows speculation. That’s it. I have no idea what group these news people are associated with. Kind of an important point. Not enough evidence to make such a drastic statement as bioterrororism.. The UN have people on the scene. When UN says it, I will listen.

  • Bill Hedges

    I repeat. I know of no sanctions against Iserel by the UN. Bioterrorism would surely cause a sanction. Am I wrong? The news media as far as I know could be Iran News media. I just do not know who they are

  • Bill Hedges

    I have always raised my eye brow, with none of the Carriers being sunk at Pearl Harbor. However, that is as far as I can go.

  • DDMao

    Bill………….No I live in Virginia about 30 miles from CIA at Quantico.
    No pork ???….Yeah right the liberals live on pork and thats how they keep their base happy.(gays,teachers,unions,blacks etc.)Some how I don’t think the message will filter down to Pelosi and Reid…..LMAO
    The only ones on the Republican side who are going to say anything is the talk radio and MAYBE that Congressional Conservative group who’s name slips me at this moment.
    From past experience such as them santioning Israel and having double standards when it comes to human rights in the west and in the Middle East I don’t trust the U.N. one bit.

  • DDMao

    Christopher………….So as I understand you think FDR was not only supplying Russia and England with supplies but was actually prodding Japan into a war? Of course we had people in Asia and Europe in advisors to Washington as far as what was going on.We would have been very naive not to and to go in blindly.As Bill has stated I also heard these stories and as in the JFK assasination these theories are not only believed but spread by many people.But then they are just theories.
    As far as these bombs shredding people(it sounds like our Daisy cutter bombs)……we had a saying when I was in the military.Sin Loi about that.As I said earlier if they think nothing about strapping bombs to their kids and sending them in crowded market places to kill innocent civilians then Israel needs to defend itself.As Bill said we don’t know where these broadcast you gave came from.Although the woman dresses like a middle Easterner she has a British accent(educated in the UK?)And who is paying this Dr. Gilbert and where was he when the Palestinians send in their mortors and rockets.

  • The UN is backing Israel because the same people who violated their treaty with the Palestinians in order to CREATE Israel were the ones who created the UN. The agenda was always the same: economic and political conquest of the Middle East. (But I won’t go further into that.) I don’t know the true, total picture of the situation in Gaza, but I guess I’m just saying I’m very wary of any media attempt to portray one side as good and the other as bad. It’s rarely one-sided like that. And FDR’s first concern, by the way, was for Stalin’s welfare, according to his son (and his own history of illness when Stalin’s regime was on the verge of collapse), and his top advisers felt the same way, motivating him to prod Japan into war to help Russia avoid a 2-fronted war. Also at stake was the monopoly the western powers had on trade with China, which Japan was cutting into. Plus, Hitler wouldn’t take the bait to provoke America, so FDR and Henry Stimson discussed ways to make Japan fire the first shot. Research Richard Sorge and you’ll find that he, a German who served Stalin, had connections to the policy-making body for the US (the Institute of Pacific Relations) and to the Japanese government, indirectly persuading the Japanese leadership to conquer the Pacific instead of Russia.

  • Bill Hedges

    ” The agenda was always the same: economic and political conquest of the Middle East.”

    If this was true, our side would have keep the middle east. To the victor, goes the spoils
    ……………………………………………………
    “I’m just saying I’m very wary of any media attempt to portray one side as good and the other as bad.”

    Then prove the bad of the Jews
    ……………………………………………………
    “Bioterrorism”

    Prove this against the Jews
    …………………………………………………..
    Prove something against the Jews. So far you have failed
    ……………………………………………………
    “And FDR’s first concern, by the way, was for Stalin’s welfare, according to his son (and his own history of illness when Stalin’s regime was on the verge of collapse),”

    This is outragist. FDR had a long illness. Well Documented. Had nothing to do with Stalin. Show your proof….I mean real proof. Not like that news media link you provided resently.
    …………………………………………………….
    Show proof for your entire last comment. You are way out there. Way out there.

    Proof needed badly.
    ……………………………………………………

    I am not going to “reserch” for you. It is your job to provide evidence that these wild ideas are true.

    You want to re-write history, Proof is expected from a reliable place

  • Bill Hedges

    Are you not aware that FDR had a de-generating illness called Polio ?

  • DDMao

    Well you make quite a few points but give little backup except on Richard Sorge(who died 7 November1944 before the war ended)
    I must disagree with you on the fact FDR gave more importance to Stalin and Russia than England.If trade counted for anything it was our deal with Churchill to supple weapons and ships on the Lend-Lease program which was well before FDR thought of doing the same with Stalin.As far as Russia giving the Japanese a two front war you couldn’t be farther from the truth since Russia didn’t declare war against the Japanese on 8 August 1945.SIX DAYS prior to Japan surrender to the allies on 14 August 1945 and ONE DAY after Nagasaki was bombed.
    You give trade a great deal of importance where Japan and Germany were more concern with taking than trading.Lastly the Chinese Comunist were fighting a civil War in China (besides fighting the Japanese)with Sun Yat Son which the United States cared more about than trade.In 1949 the Chinese Communist won and took control of China.

  • Bill Hedges

    ” The agenda was always the same: economic and political conquest of the Middle East.”

    If this was true, our side would have keep the middle east. To the victor, goes the spoils

    I am referring to WW 2…..Russia keep Polland, etc…No one keep Middle East. Although we could have.

    Soon, America will leave Iraq..

  • DDMao

    The Midddle East was given as colonies after World War One.Therefore Europe was responsible for actions there between the wars and not the United States.For an excellent history on how and why they were parcelled out the book “Paris 1919” by Margaret Macmillan tells the story.

  • IndiMinded

    I’m not enough of a history buff to step much into this conversation, but the stuff about Depleted Uranium shells is right. It’s classified as a weapon of mass destruction, and their use is illegal under the Geneva convention.

    Of course, that hasn’t stopped our government from using them either. At this point, breaking the Geneva convention has practically become a hobby.

    Wikipedia has pretty extensive information on the issue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#Military_applications

    Cheers

  • By no means is this the only source, but much of the information I have related is in the book Pearl Harbor, Mother of All Conspiracies. That is true that Russia didn’t go to war with Japan until late 1945, but that was because we kept it out of war with Japan by redirecting Japan’s aggressions. FDR had polio and was interested in defending England, but he was very protective of the Soviet regime. The nation of Israel was established in violation of a previous treaty with the Arabs/Palestinians, at the behest of the Rothschilds. In exchange, the Rothschilds would sell the first World War to the American press, through J. P. Morgan. The UN was founded to defend Israel and create world government. I’m not interested in attacking the Jewish people; it’s the government of Israel that I am saying is corrupt.

  • I don’t have time to find sources today, though.

  • Bill Hedges

    Ind

    The shells as you said are used by us and all modern armies, to my knowledge.. On tanks and hardened surfaces. The density of Uranium is only way to pierce modern tanks. As I understand it.

  • Bill Hedges

    “Mother of All Conspiracies ”

    Most anything with that in the title is not a good reference. Sc-fi does not make good footnotes.

    Footnotes should be solid information. Proveable. Not speculation.

    1 If you said Nixon taped conversations. That is general knownledge and can be verified as true.

    2 Say a group of people killed JFK, tHAT IS A Conspiracy IDEA. NO HARD PROOF. A theory. Can not be proven

  • DDMao

    Well I can only make two points………………
    First you are intitled to your opinion Christopher.I hope you are using more than this one source however to get your information.Much of this information seems to be theory and therefore no matter how much history and facts “I”supply you feel your conspiracy theory book seems to fit your narrow veiw.Russia “ONLY” joined the war on this date in order to get the property awarded after the war to the victors.”We re-directed Stalins veiws”??????I believe it was Adolf Hitler who re-directed his interest on the other front.”The U.N was founded to defend Israel”?????Now thats novel and one I never heard before.
    And lastly as I said once before I will not reconize Wikipedia as a source since ANYONE CAN MAKE AN ENTRY AND EDIT A PIECE AND IT WILL STAND AS FACT.If it is actually true it will show up in a more respectable source.

  • DDMao

    If you go to the Wikipedia page on the left hand side is a link “About Wikipedia”.If you click on this it will tell you that “There are 75,000 active contributors to Wikipedia”………”Visitors do not need specialized qualifications to contribute”………….Most articles can be edited by anyone with an internet access.”
    This is my reason why I will not accept Wikipedia as a source for an argument.Enough said !

  • Bill Hedges

    IndiMind

    Depleted Uranium shells

    Because of the purpose of this shell, I find it very unlikely it is being used against the terrorist

    Chrisopher made a statement that Iseral was using bioterrorism in the war. Countless times I asked for proof. None was given. Except for a link to a unknown news media with questionable reporting. I am not big on supplying links, But saying Iseral is using bioterrorism, then I want proof

  • Christopher Schwinger

    That book I mentioned is one of many. There are many other books, like Blacklisted by History by M. Stanton Evans, that support the same thing. Both are very well documented.

    The UN was founded before Israel became an official nation in 1948, but just look at the sponsor of both: the Rockefeller family. (There’s a lot more to that.)

    Here are a couple articles about international law and depleted uranium.
    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150885911457&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

    http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/depleted-uranium-found-in-victims-of-gaza-offensive/

  • IndiMinded

    DD, I fully understand that wikipedia isn’t exactly the most perfect source of information, because -as you said- the whole idea is that most anyone can edit it. However, wikipedia is also an excellent way to find good information. That page lists 91 references, with links to most of them. It also has links to 12 scientific reports, a plentiful supply of related articles, and even a few videos (including an army training video).

    If you don’t feel comfortable with the wikipedia entry, it certainly provides you with plenty of alternative means of research.

  • DDMao

    Indi…………I understand what you are saying……but then why not cut the chase and use these more reliable sources as the primary source?

  • Bill Hedges

    Christopher

    Your first link did not work for me. I looked up Dark Gov–Another Conspiracies Sc-fi. Do you ever use legitimate links

    Ind

    So good and bad is mixed togehter on Wik.? It would be legitiment to use one of the 12 scientific reports as source

  • IndiMinded

    Bill, I’m not sure the use of these weapons really constitutes bioterrorism. I think they’re being used because they’re good at what they do. The negative side effects don’t happen to someone who’s hit with one of these shells. If a person was actually hit with one of these, I doubt there would be much left of him, and if he did live, radiation poisoning would be the least of his worries.

    The consequence really concerns the casual use of radioactive weaponry. In order to have better weaponry, we may be risking poisoning the combat area (and anyone who spends significant time in it) for many generations to come. This doesn’t just harm the enemy, it harms the country it’s used in.

    I thought it was particularly ironic that we’ve used them in Iraq, since they are considered Illegal weapons of mass destruction – the very thing this war was started over. So there really WERE illegal weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, we just had to bring them with us.

  • DDMao

    Christopher……..While I find it interesting that The Jerusalem Post would be publishling this article it all goes back to opinion and speculation of different sources about “proportionality response” and “collective punishment”.Something that IS NOT BROUGHT UP WHEN THE PALESTANIANS LOB MISSLES AND MORTORS INTO ISRAEL.

  • Bill Hedges

    Ind

    There were Illegal weapons of mass destruction in Iraq long before we went there.. Mass murder of citizens by gas is proof.

    I am guessing Russia has same shell and these shells are not being used by Iseseal now. (no tanks on other side)

    Have you seen any expected levels and life of these fired shells ? For example, going in my basement, x-rays, etc, exposes me to radiation at some level. How many 1/2 does uranium use have

  • Bill Hedges

    Christopher

    Are there any more bias liinks than the one’s you site ? I would not use the paper that The Jerusalem Post is printed on to wipe my behind.

    Too far out for me. D.D.Mao is more civl than me, I’ll skip this line of comments

  • The depleted uranium news flash ultimately comes from Iran’s PressTV, which interviewed a Norwegian doctor. I suppose we should wait for more information–from other sources, as well–before concluding anything.

  • Bill Hedges

    Christopher

    I appreciate your recognition that some of your links (Iran’s news Press TV) should be verified by a less bias source before taking what they say as truth. Would also be helpful to know if these shells are being used in the cites at the present time. I kind of doubt it

  • DDMao

    I just read that Jack Kemp…..former Congressman from New York,Housing Secretary under King George I and Vice Presidental candidate under Bob Dole has been diagnosed with cancer.Not much details given.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    Too bad for Jack

    Looks like California will give warrents instead of check for their tax refund..

  • Bill Hedges

    I adore the fact that Reid made a fool of himself by refusing to seat the Il. Governor’s choice to replace Obama in the Senate. Reid does not appear to have a leg to stand on.

    Does Reid admit mistake…No. Such false pride. He’s working on a way to save face.

    Biden took oath for new Senate. He had to so he can take a free trip. Two weeks before he becomes VP. Obama had to pay for his vacation. We will pay for Biden’s vacation.

  • Bill Hedges

    From the begining of social security in America, Congress, who passes all bills, has increased and broardened the scope of social security. Even this month it has been mentioned to cut social sercuty taxes to groups of workers. In a sane world one would think this program must be sound. Well as you know, it is not. So insanity must be our ruler. So let mob mentality flourish. Lets give credit to this creator.

    What did Bush do to Social Security
    Raise the $ out-flow and steal (borrowing) from the fund. As well as reduce in-coming money. Now the program is broke.

    Economy of America as well as the world collapsed at Bush’s feet. Sub-prime destroyed everything, Bush’s plan was a successful. He wisely pushed for more regulation, but in his heard, knew Congress would not pass.

    If I understand Obama correctly, he will spend a $ trillion each year he is in office to fight this mess that Bush put us in.

    I have come to the conclusion that Bush is the best faker in American history. He is in reality the smartest. He took over as President in a down economy, brought it up, and then destroyed to near levels of the Great Depression. He fooled all the great minds in Congress. All the Main Stream News Media. As well as Wall Street and the public.

    He performed as masterpiece in getting sub-prime going when not even in office.

    I do not condemn George Bush. I congraduate him. A man who saw his missionin in life and accomplished it. To the New Order. He will be hailed for years to come. Hail To The supreme Chief.

    Now I am sure Jay Leno or any main stream news media would be please to post this comment on their web site

  • DDMao

    It is amusing that Andrew M. Cuomo (who owes his whole career to his dad) may not get the Senate seat of Hilary Clinton (who owes her whole career to her husband) because Gov. David A. Paterson (who owes his whole career to his Dad) may give it to Caroline Kennedy (who owes her whole career to her Dad).You would think a large state like New York could find someone who deserves something on his or her own.
    Washington Times editor Wesley Pruden

  • Bill Hedges

    Why can’t they get the Dad. Even if he is dead, he can still vote. And would be better than the ones in government now

  • DDMao

    Bill…. Dead Democrats are voting in Chicago and have been for years……LMAO

  • DDMao

    Hope everything is O.K. with Babs.It seems we haven’t heard from her since before the holidays.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    I am having a lot of fun with my past two comments. Is better than showing my disgust with what Obama is doing/planning yesterday and today

  • DDMao

    Bill………As you know I’m not a fan of “W” and won’t defend him.HOWEVER Social Security was going broke WAY BEFORE George W. Bush came into office.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    I was joking. In my first paragraph, I tell the facts of social security as I see it.. The last part of first patagraaph I mention insanity. Cutting social security funds by wanting to cut SS payroll funding for certain groups. After Congress has raped the SS fund adding I.O.U.’s

    Then I joked how everything is Bush fault, as I hear so many times on main stream news media. I have no problem with people not liking Bush. But I want it to be for what he actually did. He did not cause SS trouble, sub-prime, and our present economic condition. Bush wanted more regulation on Fanny and Freedy in 05

  • DDMao

    Bill…..My mistake.Sorry

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    Not your fault. It my be first time I joked around on this site. I am so mad about Green plan, SS plan, Bail out plan. I just had to make light.Experts has challeged this medical electronics of Obama. Obama’s scare statics to get $ tillions each year. Can’t wait for inflation

    Humor seems best. Since The people elected this guy.. Obama is using Carter plan. It did not work for Carter. Will not work for Obama. But Obama and the Speaker want Green. Green they will get

  • DDMao

    Bill…….Have you heard anything about a plan called “One Vote 08” which both parties (RNC and DNC) have signed on to? This plan is to GIVE $30 billion dollars to an independent world agency in order to eliminate WORLD POVERTY.I guess either the world feels we are to rich and they want to knock us down to a third world country size or our beloved politicians feel we did such a great job with LBJ’s WAR on Poverty we should take it world wide.
    Every day I have less and less respect for politicians.
    Google it for more information.

  • Bill Hedges

    DDMao

    During campaign Obama wanted to give huge amount of money to UN, I do not recall the amount. This could be it.

    http://www.one.org/about/

    “ONE Vote ’08

    Mobilizing Voters to Save Lives and Secure our Future

    ONE Vote ’08 is an unprecedented, non-partisan campaign to make global health and extreme poverty foreign policy priorities in the 2008 presidential election.

    The next president will take office in a time of great hope: there are effective and affordable solutions that save lives. AIDS drugs can now cost as little as $1 a day. A $5 bed net can keep a child from dying from a mosquito bite. With the force of more than millions of members from all 50 states and a coalition of more than 100 non-profit, religious and charitable groups, ONE Vote ’08 will educate and mobilize voters to ensure that the next American president is committed to using “strategic” power to end global poverty and keep America strong.

    ONE Vote ’08 is part of ONE, a broad and growing movement of Americans from every state and walk of life. More than millions of people have added their voices to ONE by visiting ONE.org.”
    ……………………………………………………
    To me, this is same thinking the world has against the Jews. Even though 3,000 rockets were dropped on them, the Jews are guilty of killing people. Not saying Jews are defending themselves

    Althouth America is not the only country in the world, we are suppose to solve the world problems

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D. Mao

    I agree. How many good and honest politicians are there. Our great economy was RUINED BY SUB-PRIME. AND UNQUIFIED HOME BUYERS. We have begun this process again. And be doing it soon for cars. Jobs. Etc.

    Obama, Speaker, and Reid want GREEN. Our free system will not go where our Government is taking us. Billionaire Perkens stopped his winds mills, saying with low oil, wind mills not feasible. Government is going to give us high oil. We will pay a $ trillion at least for green.

    Ideal of America becoming socialist third world Country could happen. You and I may illegally cross over to Canada.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D. Mao

    “Obama, on ABC, said he has ask+ed his economic team to develop a set of principles to ensure more openness about how the money is spent. Under consideration by Obama aides and congressional Democrats are proposals to limit executive pay at institutions that receive the money and to force such institutions to get rid of any private aircraft they may own or lease.”
    …………………………………………………
    What we don’t hear Obama say is to hold those in Congress responsible that led to our sub-prime melt down in our economy. Costing us $ many trillions

    Considering Obama’s above statement, what a dishonest mockery of principies. Using others as excape goats to focus away from Congress.

    That makes Obama a bum. Not looking out for America. Should be impeached before being sworn in.

    Question. Have you seen Obama’s house ? Where did he get money for it ?

  • DDMao

    Bill…………Thats the grand scheme I was talking about.Where just a few more dollars will make us one big happy world community.BOTH PARTIES are keeping a low profile on this and lets see if the Messiah might be taking his title literally here and feeding the world multitudes with good o’le greenbacks.I also want to see if he list this on the internet as he said he wants to with all spending.I hear Bono(U2)is the bains behind this.The details need to be brought out because I don’t think the public knows squat about it.
    We might have to cross over to Canada? I think they will try to send us to a Liberal re-education camp.
    “O” got the money for his house from one of his dubious friends Tony Renzo (sp).The Liberal left media was to concerned about looking into Sarah Palins wardrobe fund to worry about “THE ONE”.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    I may be forced to go back to work. I am hoping Obama will give lots of money to me so I don’t have to. Wait. I worked and have a retirement. Saved my money for retirement. I am not qualified for free money. I should have relaxed. Indulged myself. Thought, me-me-me.

    If I must work I will go to my basement and make all kinds of money selling my baseball cards. WAIT. I have no card.

    Easy money. Easy world fix. Only one dollar a day fixes all.. Liberals are crazy.

    I hear I can make six figures working on the internet. Wait. Why are there so many uemployed. They must not have computers ? Lets buy computera for ALL UNEMPLOYED and let them be rich working on the internet.

    I am afraid old, true values has been replaced with immediate gradification. Wanting government to fix all. A Operal mentality of feeling your pain. In the big cities.

    McCain won most of America’s land. Small town values McCain won. Although McCain was not my first choice. Obama may be on the Bottom. To this day, Sarah is being destroyed. They really fear her. For good reason.

    I am a conservative. I don’t even know who Bono is. Below is my dream.

    http://www.cbsnews.com:80/video/watch/?id=4632991n

  • DDMao

    Bill…….LMAO !!! I think the nurses alone would get my heart beating to fast.I’m definitly going to pass this along ……….Thanks
    “Most of the change we think we see in life is due to the truths being in and out of favor”..Robert Frost
    “I predict a future of happiness for America if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them”…………Thomas Jefferson

  • Bill Hedges

    Obama’s fruit are maturing. His true colors are ripening. His Joe the Plumber slip has slipped out again.

    Prehaps the next time we elect a President we should know their past, so we can predict his/her future actions ? Obama seems to be following his past. More coming.

    http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=381696

  • DDMao

    Bill…………….America knew his past…….His lack of experience,and dubious associations.They instead choose to ignore it and vote for the personality or prove they wern’t bigots and elect a black.(the feel good vote)

  • DDMao

    Bill………In regard to the Browner story.You can put lipstick on a socialist but…….

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    Your quote of Thomas Jefferson proves history repeats itself. I have heard our reccression is comparable to one 30 some years back. Our Congress-nuts wish to compare it to the end of the world or depression. Obama said we may not recover if swift action is not taken.

    Our youth have only know good econmy thanks to Ronald Reagan. I doubt the average Messiah voter knows who Ronald is ! Ronald was America’s John Wayne President. Obama is a 3rd rate knock-off of Jimmy Carter. And Carter was worst
    modern President.

    The fear Obama is pushing, tells me he plans radical social change. Hopefully we will impeach before they occur.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    “Ms. Browner’s appointment as Obama’s climate czar does not need Senate confirmation. She served previously as head of the Environmental Protection Agency under President Bill Clinton.”

    This stops transparacy that Obama insist he is ALL ABOUT. Here is important material that will be hidden because there will be “no conformation hearing”

    “Browner has ties to an international organization that promotes “global governance.”…….

    Democrats on this very site condemned Sarah over a group she attended meeting of, trying to say it was for disengaging from the union. Found not true. Here, this woman belongs to organiztion that wants us to be a 3rd world nation..

    “According to the report, as recently as last week Carol M. Browner was listed as one of “14 leaders of a socialist group’s Commission for a Sustainable World Society.” The group, one of many under the umbrella group Socialist International, calls for rich countries to shrink their economies in order to combat climate change.”

    “Browner’s name and biography has since been removed from the Socialist International’s web page.”

    Doesn’t the Messiah want this information on the 6’clock news and every newspaper in America.

    These actions ,to me, are 100,000 times worse than the Governor Of Il.

    This action is enough to impeach Obama as far as I am concerned. This is major stuff. This confirms what he said to Joe the Plumber was not a slip.

    This puts major doubt that Obama has our Country best interest at heart.

    Come on Honest Abeobama. Announce this to America.

  • DDMao

    Bill………..You quoted “O” as saying “We may not recover if swift action isn’t taken”.Sadly Christopher’s generation hear this or the comparison to the Great Depression and believe it.As in FDR’s case sometimes taking any action just to do something is worst than if you didn’t do anything.But then I assume you know that.
    Again with the Browner story.It sounds like the excuse NBC gave for not having Ann Coulter on the morning show last week.”It was anti-Obama and our listeners don’t want to hear that”.When her book is about how the liberal media didn’t cover Obama’s record or lack of experience and the media didn’t want to hear it.As an aside to this I’m not a Big Ann Coulter fan but she sure knows how to tell the facts and get under the liberals skin don’t she?

  • DDMao

    Bill………We had our stimulis plan when we had the housing bubble.The government gave money out through Freddie and Fannie so any one could afford a house and it burst.Government isn’t the solution ….It’s the problem.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    Coulter is something else. To like her politics does not mean I must agree with all her ideas.

    FDR did many wrong things. He believed all good came from government. As does “o”. Reagan believed in free enterprise. Which led to longest bull market.

    Your above comment is so true. The next bubble has begun though.
    Browner should be smiling. Our status may soon be 3rd world.
    ……………………………………………….
    Congress-nuts have gotten the “The Mad Cow Disease”. No party is vaccinated.

    “Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., floated a new proposal, raising the possibility of a two-year elimination of Social Security payroll taxes.”

    Social Security as you know had the fund raided and is broke. Now no payroll tax if passed. I bet they will give credit to those workers even thought no tax was collected.
    …………………………………………………
    Every American had better get infected with “Mad Cow Desease”. A sane individual will suffer pain beyong belief.

    “O” will use his Bible. Will eat his meal. Ride in train. To honor Abe Lincoln. YET. Abe is a Republican. The two differ in their methods. “O” has no right to use Abe. “O” has no shame.

    I have stated trading again. So I watch MSNBC. It was announced PRODUCTION is up. Discussion was second 1/2 bail out may not be needed.

    Markets gets better roughly 6-8 months before the economy shows growth (when first 1/2 bail-out and fed $1.5 trillion money effects kick in ). It appears the market is near bottom and inching back up. Earnings is coming soon and may cause some fluxuation. Point is no matter what Obama does (well he could harm it) July-Aug Sun should be shinning though the clouds for our econonmy.

    I have changed my mind about the bail-out. Using hindsight, Bush and McCains was right. Bush 1/2, $350 Billion and Fed $ 1.5 trillion has shortened our recession. Much of this money will be re-paid. I do not have that faith in Obama’s 1/2………To many golf and basketball courts will be built

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    Another sign the market is turning. The big swings each day in the market has subsided.

    I find it interesting no Obama supporters are commenting ! Surely they don’t have less confidence in their man. I can understand those against Obama having disgust.

    Another of Obama’s campaign promises has been discarded. Of course it was just a vote getting promise anyhow. In committee all Congress-nuts threw out the $3,000 to businesses for hiring new employees. All…….

    Another problem choice by Obama

    Jan 14, 12:02 AM (ET)

    By BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE

    “WASHINGTON (AP) – President-elect Barack Obama’s choice to run the Treasury Department and lead the nation’s economic rescue failed to pay $34,000 in taxes from 2001 to 2004, but the last-minute disclosure didn’t stop Senate Democrats from moving forward with his nomination.”

    Yesterday was Browner ???

    Tomorrow ??

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    If you happen to loose your job, I suggest this one

    news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090113/od_afp/lifestyleaustraliatourismoffbeat_20090113032028

    You might like. Called Austrialia’s best job. You will have to paste it. Sorry

  • DDMao

    Bill……………Don’t forget Richardson was an “O” choice also then Browner now Treasury Sec. Geithner(sp).By the end of January he should have a cabinet of troublemakers.
    Don’t be so sure about that July-August prediction for recovery……but if so can’t you see the Messiah getting credit for it.I hope you are kidding once again about changing your mind about the bailout ON EITHER SIDE IT’S BAD JUDGEMENT.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    Democrats always steal credit for good things, and passes off to Republicans any thing that sours. Example “0” stoled Abe Lincoln.

  • DDMao

    “The same prudence which in private life would forbid our paying our own money for unexplained projects forbids it in the dispensation of the publics money.”…..Thomas Jefferson

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    T. Jefferson was some thoughtful deep writer. He believed in small government but understood the necessity of the Louisiana Purchase.

    A future thinking Republican party in his image I prey is re-born.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    Has Eric Holder been named as “0” appointee boo-boo

    beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/story/eric_holder_caught_on_tape_defending_the_faln/ – 57k

    Browner to be energy czar. Obama sais Bush was in big Oil pocket……

    Humm

    CAROL BROWNER’S HUSBAND
    Topic: Once in a Lifetime
    12. December 2008

    “The Wall Street Journal’s Brad Haynes and T.W. Farnam have a nice pick up: the husband of Carl Browner, Barack Obama’s new energy and environment “czar,” has lobbied for numerous energy companies, including Chevron and Exxon Mobile. Browner recently married Tom Downey, a former New York congressman, who along with lobbying for big oil also advocated for Dubai Ports World, which acquired six U.S. ports in 2006.”

    Obama’s transition spokeswoman, Stephanie Cutter, says that Browner, the Bill Clinton administration EPA head, will be recused of “working on any matters that involve her husband’s clients.” But given the wide-ranging impact of those clients, that may be difficult to do ”

    Browner will go though no congress-nut hearing

  • Christopher Schwinger

    “A future thinking Republican party in his image, I pray, is re-born.”

    It won’t happen soon, given the treatment afforded Ron Paul.

  • Bill Hedges

    There are Govenors from (example) LA & Sarah AND OTHERS . Hucabee…From the tip of my tongue

    Treatment of Ron Paul has no comparison to Sarah’s treatment. Still going on

  • Christopher Schwinger

    I haven’t tried comparing them, but you’re right: it is much more cutting toward Palin, since her personal life is constantly under attack. However, I wouldn’t include Huckabee in the line-up: as governor, he was big-government, and as presidential candidate, he proposed ending the IRS and having small government. He’s wishy-washy.

  • DDMao

    I was backing Fred Thompson this past election but it seems he doesn’t have the stomach for political office anymore.It’s to bad I feel him and me think alike.

  • DDMao

    President-Elect Obamas Secretary of Energy Steven Chu recently said “We have to find a way to increase gasoline prices to the level of Europe”..WSJ December 2008

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    I have said many times on this site GREEN requires high oil prices. Billionaire Perkins stopped his massive wind mills when oil prices dropped. Green is expensive. Must have high oil price TO BE ECONOMICAL.. You will pay more for energy under Obamabullcrap

    We have plenty of oil. Soon Alaska pipeline line will shut down. Losng 25 % of America’s oil pumped each day and comsumed.. Reason, Not enough volume to flow. Our oil reserve is larger than Saudia Arabia, thanks to new methods of discovering oil reserve and methods of recovery. Messiah soon will be our Leader, oh hail him. Click your heals. He will break another campaign promise concerning off shore drilling. Never happen.( He won’t break his personal promise to Acorn for federal funds to elect Democrats and to his Abortion group that began and financed him to the Presidency..)

    Global Warming is a farce. An excuss for Green.. Name was changed to Global change. Reason, no greenhouse affect. World is getting colder. A normal climate occurance.

    Chu, in your quote, does not say we need to use less oil. Reason, America is using less oil. He says we need higher prices. So what other reason is there to have higher prices, except to make Green energy affordable. By his words, Obama wants LOWER CLASS Americas to have more money. Chu has been chewed out by Obama you can bet YOUR LIFE for saying the quote you pointed out. Another slip like Obama did with Joe the Plumber.

    Europe oil prices are higher because they don’t have the oil we do.

    Gm will go Green. Our money will guarantee it. Never mind that it will not help GM get out of the RED. Obama, Speaker, and Reid want Green. And these three and more will benefit personal from this.

    Impeach Obama NOW…………..

  • Bill Hedges

    By TOM RAUM, Associated Press Writer

    “Barack Obama and his congressional allies are gambling that the largest public spending program since World War II and a new round of tax cuts will pry the economy from the recession’s iron grip and avert another Depression.

    But what if they’re wrong?

    Some conservative economists say that additional stimulus may only prolong the grief at best, triggering runaway inflation down the road and resulting in an even more bloated federal bureaucracy.

    “I think the economy will recover regardless of what Washington does. But the long-term effect here will be to reduce the standard of living of the next generation because they will be saddled with all this debt,” said Chris Edwards of the libertarian-leaning Cato Institute.

    Even without the new spending proposed by Obama, the U.S. has a $1.2 trillion budget deficit this year, he noted. “If that isn’t already enough of a Keynesian stimulus, what is?”

    Early 20th-century British economist John Maynard Keynes argued that the government should intervene to avoid depressions by increasing its own spending and controlling interest rates. President Franklin D. Roosevelt based many of his New Deal spending initiatives on Keynesian theory.

    But not all economists and politicians subscribe to that world view.

    While there is broad support for some kind of major stimulus, the skeptics offer this as Exhibit A: The trillions hurled at the problem last year by Congress, the Bush administration and the Federal Reserve have yet to yield many tangible results.

    Unemployment continues to climb, reaching a 16-year high of 7.2 percent in December and is expected to keep on rising through 2009. U.S. manufacturing remains in a serious slump. The decline in consumer spending in late 2008 is expected to continue.

    Home values keep eroding. For many people, loans are hard or impossible to obtain. Millions of retirement accounts have been slammed by sharp stock market losses. Financial collapses, bailouts, rescue plans, foreclosures and profit reversals litter the landscape.

    “What in September began as an emergency response to stabilize our financial markets has morphed before our very eyes into a string of taxpayer funded bailouts,” said Rep. Spencer Bachus of Alabama, the senior Republican on the House Financial Services Committee. “Trillions of dollars in taxpayer backed guarantees and loans have been extended.”

    In short order last week, Congress cleared the way for a new $350 billion installment of bailout cash for the financial industry while House Democrats rolled out details of a $825 billion two-year stimulus package incorporating most of Obama’s priorities. About one-third of it would go to tax breaks, with the rest to government spending. The plan could reach $1 trillion by the time Congress sends it to Obama’s desk.

    Allen Sinai, president of Decision Economics, a Boston-area financial consulting firm, said that even with Obama’s aggressive spending program, the economy seems unlikely to show a true recovery this year in terms of sustainable gains by consumers and businesses.

    “There are forces going on that are 1930s-like,” Sinai said. “There is incredible asset deflation, a huge loss in wealth by households. In the ’30s, even when funds became available from the financial system to borrow, the pessimism by consumers and businesses was so great that no one wanted to spend.” Sinai wouldn’t rule out a repeat of that mind-set.

    Some economists who are not fans of Keynesian economics or stimulus packages argue that FDR’s vaunted New Deal programs, highly touted today as a model for job creation, did little to spur a U.S. recovery.

    “It was finally World War II that finally ended the Great Depression,” said Bruce Bartlett, a White House economist in the Reagan administration and a top Treasury official in the first Bush administration. Bartlett is author of a study showing that nearly all postwar stimulus packages passed by Congress came too late to be of much help, and just increased the deficit and fueled inflation.

    Obama shrugs off expressions of skepticism and casts his stimulus package as the right formula for creating long-lasting, well-paying jobs, despite its big cost.

    “It’s not too late to change course — but only if we take dramatic action as soon as possible,” Obama said in Ohio on Friday just days before taking office.

    Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody’s Economy.com, said the economy could stabilize by year’s end under a big stimulus package, government steps to reduce the number of foreclosures and continued monetary easing by the Fed.

    “But many things could go wrong,” Zandi added. “The financial system is still obviously under extreme pressure. It’s not hard to paint a dark picture. Global investors could panic and stop buying the bonds we issue and send interest rates higher. Oil prices could spike again for whatever reason. It’s not hard at all to be pessimistic.” ”
    ………………………………………………….

    In this article there is some disagreement about bail out. The word “Depression” is used by Obama saying package may avert it from happening. Recessions have occurred often, Depression once. No statistics by anyone is provided hinting that Drepression was likely or expected. Is a ploy in my estimation to get backing for his $ trillion dollar plans for years to come. Using fear factor without supporting statistics or facts.

    Obama, at least wait until end of next year and see how things are, then lets talk about another $ trillion in bail out. Your idea of $ trillions for years to come is outragious speculation. Are you painting a bleak picture so if things don’t go that bad you appear to be our Messiah. A GOD.

    And lets get back to Frank and Dobbs and other Congress-nuts. Investigate their involvement in the sub-prime mess that caused these $ trillions to be necessary in bail out. You say the economy is # 1, but you don’t want to investigate who caused this mess. Instead you are considering changing the subject to investigating Bush.

    In other articles, I read Obama make mention that Bush caused our economy melt down. Please tell me how Bush caused it. I am too ignrant to see how Bush did it. Maybe someone who voted for Obama can explain it to me. Did Bush cause sub=prime that allowed unqualified home buyers. And somehow pass legislation increasing funding for this tragic mess. I am under the assumption that Congress must pass bills not President. Did Bush do some executive order that I am unaware of ?

  • DDMao

    Bill I’m not as tuned to economics as you but can relate it to history which I take immense pleasure in reading so therefore in regard to FDR and his Keynesian policies:
    “We must lay hold the fact that economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings”……….FDR

  • Bill Hedges

    I understand Obama’s campaign was most expensive. EVER.

    Tuesday will be most expensive. EVER. More than $150 million.
    George W. Bush’s 2005 inauguration cost $42.3 million. Bill Clinton’s was what 1/5 almost, compared to Obama’s, at $33 million in 1993.

    Obama wants to spend our way out of any chance of a “Depression.” And he is working on that, “Day one”.

    Obama’s inauguration is not a GREEN day either. Expected to be another record carbon foot-print. But crowd won’t care. For first time, bars will be open unill 500 am (Great example to set for our youth).

    For first time Republican Lincoln’s Bible will be used by Democrat Obama. Lincon will turn over in his grave. The two have opposite political views.

    Obama = Change

    Leads by Example

    Impeach Obama

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    FDR was right.

    There is another saying althought I do not know who said it..

    We learn history, so not to repeat our mistakes.

    America ignored Obama’s past. Will that come back to haunt us. Or has it already began ? Will Obama repeating Carter’s economics also come back to haunt us.

  • DDMao

    Bill………On this Dr. Kings birthday the President-Elect is just the opposite of what Dr. King preached. He wished for his four children to be judged by their character and not the color of their skin. Meanwhile we elected a President on the color of his skin and to hell with his character.
    God help America.!!!

  • DDMao

    As you know I live in Northern Virginia about 25 miles outside Washington DC.I will try to stay as far away from the IMMACULATE INAUGURATION tomorrow as possible.They are closing ALL the bridges and the Metro system is going to be chaos.I will not even have my TV on because of the hossanas and canonization of “O” by the media.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    So right about King’s beliefs. They are being re-wrtten. As is old saying “lift yourself up”. Now known as “Government will take care of you”. I dare say no body tomorrow will say A Men to what you said. King would have protested against these modern changes.. And this..

    http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=387568

    I am watching movies on demand tomorrow and getting drunk. I do not drink except when having mexican when eating out. 2, 3 times a year.

    With the same people who gave us sub-prime causing economy meltdown still in Congress controling the bail-out money, we will be singing a Earnie Ford song as will our childeren’s children….”16 tons”…….

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    I have not heard if prayer would be allowed tomorror. The far out groups feel empowered as one of their own becomes President. This kind of stuff will be spreading like wildfire.

    http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=387652

    I now wish to quote Rev. Wright, but with a word substitution. You know the 3 word phase. Put “Obama in place of “America”

  • Bill Hedges

    Hillary Clinton said Obama was not qualified to be Presidemt.(as well as Joe Biden) Was she right ? Was Obama corect to pick Hillary as Sec. Of State. Well she got a great start before even being confirmed
    ……………………………………………………
    Posted – 01/18/2009 : 12:13:54 PM

    Afghan foreign minister unhappy with Clinton
    By JASON STRAZIUSO, Associated Press Writer Jason Straziuso, Associated Press Writer Sat Jan 17, 10:26 am ET

    KABUL, Afghanistan – “U.S. Secretary of State-designate Hillary Clinton’s use of the term “narco state” to describe Afghanistan in a recent Senate testimony has caught the attention of her Afghan counterpart.?
    …………………………………………………..

    Should Obama had picked someone with no experience for Sec. of State ? How about no experence leader of CIA choice.

    America could have had a worse Sec. of State. Joe Biden was given first chance at Sec. of Stte job. Biden wife said so on Oprah. Joe tried to shut his wife up.

    Hey Obama. Your staff is going to keep your eyes off the economy. You got big mouth Joe Biden on your pay roll. And Hillary as Sec. of State. I thought Jay Leon would run out of jokes with Bush leaving office. And Jay’s unwillingness to joke about Obama. Jay now can use Hillary, Joe, Richardson, and Browner. And who else ?

    Another Obama campaign promise is barely being keep. National service. Many Democrats bragged about this program on this site. Right now this program is very small. Work this program could do, is going to be done by professionals. At higher cost. I guess “bamg for your buck” is not in Obama’s vocabulary. Just spend money.

    A name from Obama’s past made news today. Bill Ayres was refused entry into Canada. Canada knew of Ayres past. WOW !

  • DDMao

    First look at 44th Speech……….I turned the TV on just long enough to hear his swearing in and speech.Well he pulled a Prince Charles and couldn’t even remember his own name.There was not one rememberable line and it turned out to be just another campaign speech.In the beginning he keyed on the SUPPOSED crisis the country is in and the audience didn’t seem to know when to appauld.I was offended by the prayer Lowrey gave which said “When whites will embrace what is right”If it wasn’t for the guilt ridden whites (the only race put down)he wouldn’t be standing up there. And Obama has the cojones to say the right plays the race card?

  • DDMao

    Like Chris Mattews there was something running down my leg listening to Obama……but it wasn’t a tingle.!

  • Babs

    I’m with you, DDMao, I didn’t tune in to the festivities, except to see him and Roberts screw up the oath. I understand Bush got booed, so much for obama’s kumbaya clan.

    I did catch Bush’s speech from Midland, Texas on his arrival. Great speech, and I wish him the best in his private life. He got a bum deal in his political life.

    Today starts the game for real. Lets see how long obama’s approval ratings stay on the high side. Not long, I suspect.

    By the way, hey, ya’ll. Long time, no see. Let the bashing begin. 😉

  • Bill Hedges

    Maybe for the first time, a President was re-sworn in because of mistakes yesterday. Exact words must be said by law.

    I wonder if main street news media and Leno will make big deal of this. Bush caught it for his mistakes.

    Caroline Kennedy has pulled out for Senate seat. Was it because of Teddy or her political mistakes. Maybe Caroline could not take a glimpse of what Sarah had to go through.

  • Christopher Schwinger

    DDMao wrote:
    On this Dr. Kings birthday the President-Elect is just the opposite of what Dr. King preached. He wished for his four children to be judged by their character and not the color of their skin.

    ———–

    That’s exactly right. Flowery rhetoric which makes Obama wax emotional like Martin Luther King doesn’t mean a thing; one (Obama) is saying America was never on the right track, and the other (King) is saying that the ideals of the Founding Fathers need to be put into practice.

  • Bill Hedges

    Transparacy is key political term today. Someone has come up with way to fairly judge Obama. In a court room, you might say, “”Did he or did he not do it”.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises

  • Bill Hedges

    Red Skeleton

    Many of those that voted for Obama may not know the name Red Skeleton. No, he was not a socialist.. He was a funny man years ago. Made movies and had a TV show.

    Red Sheleton had many classic characters he played. I liked this one best of all. I consider this his best character

    http://www.poofcat.com/july.html

  • DDMao

    John McCain wanted to reform government while President Obama wants to reform the American people.
    “The world is a comedy to those that think and a tragedy to those who feel”……Horace Wolpole

  • DDMao

    “A Warm Welcome Back Babs”

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    “The U.S. Constitution doesn’t guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself.”

    Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
    American statesman, scientist & printer

    Appears Obama wishes to change one of our Founding Fathers view of The Constitution. Obama wants to give happiness to those that can not catch it themselves (earning less than ($250,000 a year).

  • Babs

    Thanks, DDMao, it’s been a while.

    Well, it hasn’t taken him but a day to get on the presses bad side. Anyone catch that debut press conference with Gibbs today? The press pretty much chewed him up and spit him out over the “transparency” of the second oath taking. And speaking of oaths, did you see the obama/Biden debaucle of the swearing in of the senior staff? And GITMO. Oh my goodness, isn’t this a little can of worms he’s opened. Fox News reports that the 9/11 families are outraged that the trials will be postponed until – when??? And it seems his ban on lobbiers in his administration has already run up against an “exception” to his rule, doesn’t it? Hmmm, it’s going to be a very interesting four years, huh, guys?

  • Bill Hedges

    Innocent Caroline Kennedy had an affair ???? Dropped out for PERSONAL REASON !!! Daughter like Father or Uncle

    John Murtha offers to take our Cuban prisioners to his State Miminual prision !! May be he sttuffed his foot in his mouth again…..at least publically. I bet none end up in his State.

  • Bill Hedges

    Caroline may have “Nanny” and “tax problems” as well. “Poor Little Rich Girl.” “When It Rains It Pores”. She may be thinking “It is Darkest Before the Dawn”. I guess it depends on “Which Side of the Rail Road Tracks You Live On”.

    She “Shot Her Wad”. “Missed by a Country Mile” in getting what she wanted. That gal can’t hit “The Broad Side of a Barn.”. And will not be a Senator like Uncle Teddy this “Go Around”. She should have followed “the straight and Narrow Road”. But she got “Too Big For Her Briches” and “Fail From Grace”

    In a few days we may be saying “Oh How The Mighty Have Fallen”

    In the end, she was just “Whisting Dixie”.

    Now “The Shoe is on the Other Foot”. She has “One Foot in the Grave”

    This should be like “Pig Latin” to the “Youngsters”. Only the “Old Foggies” wlll understand me.

    WELL…

    “GOOD NIGHT, Mrs. Calabash–wherever you are!” Jimmy Durante

    “I’m heading for the Green Green Grass of Home “

  • DDMao

    He’s starting a lot like B.J. did in 1993 digging himself out of holes one after another.Elections have consequnces !

  • DDMao

    A news item that caught my attention this morning was the report that a former Guantanamo detainee is now the head of the Yeman Al Qaida.Ali Al Shihri was released to the Saudi government for rehab in 2007.On a personal note a Brit friend of mine “E” mailed me yesterday asking where we are going to send these terrorist we are releasing.I told him hopefully we are going to send them to FRANCE and let the frogs pander them.

  • Bill Hedges

    Crazy Howard Stern and his political investigation.

    Harlem Interviews.mp3 (2010KB)

    Download File

    DIDN’T WORK

  • DDMao

    I just got back from a visit to NYC(Where I was born and raised).The headlines in the New York Daily News(it leans left) “Poor Caroline Shows a Brave Face”.LMAO….Yeah the poor little victem.
    Another thing I noticed was the advertisements on every bus for Acorn to loan you money for a home.These were new ads not something thats been there from before the election.An 800 number in big print.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    Sarah was right. See how they treat Caroline compared to how they treated Sarah…..Class distinction. Or “Democrat Righishness”

    There is no investigation into Congress role is SUB-PRIME. No more investigation into ACORN. No investigation of $450 million in contribution to Obama’s election by Unions. No investigation plans being purposed for UNIONS in Congress on “non-secret ballot”.

    Note..Leading Democrat Congressmen spoke to Mexico for unions with secret ballot. In America, we soon may have open voting for unions. Thank you Obama, Speaker, Reid, Dobbs, and so many more Democrats.

    How safe would you feel voting out loud against Unions ? Democrats are staking the deck for unionization of America.
    ……………………………
    IMPORTANT
    Are Democrats taking away “our rights of privacy”. Didn’t the Democrats complain against Bush for invading upon “our privacy” for “National security”. Or am I nuts !!!1!
    …………………………..
    With the unionizing of America workers, wages go up and benefits. Remember what unions did to Car manufacturers ? Will more jobs go overseas. Cause busines to go “OUT OF BUSINESS”.. How about foreign workers brought in ??

    BEAMISH, Associated Press Writers Frank Bass And Rita Beamish, Associated Press Writers
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    SANTA CLARA, Calif. – “Banks collecting billions of dollars in federal bailout money sought government permission to bring thousands of foreign workers to the U.S. for high-paying jobs, according to an Associated Press review of visa applications.

    The dozen banks receiving the biggest rescue packages, totaling more than $150 billion, requested visas for more than 21,800 foreign workers over the past six years for positions that included senior vice presidents, corporate lawyers, junior investment analysts and human resources specialists. The average annual salary for those jobs was $90,721, nearly twice the median income for all American households”

    Futhermore it said

    “Foreigners are attractive hires because companies have found ways to pay them less than American workers”
    ………………………………………………….

    Glad to see you back D.D.Mao

    I heard, you take the planned bill, for eah job created, the cost is $210,000..PORK….PORK…PORK..Obama said there would be NO PORK..

    Obama has set the stage for Depression. And blaming Bush. Obama’s actions may be self-fulling. Will not be “Bush’s fault”

    Obama big push for jobs is in Green. Green makes Demcrat leaders rich including Al Gore. How factual is Global Warming.

    .
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/29/weather-channel-founder-blasts-gore-global-warming-campaign/

  • Bill Hedges

    On the link provided above, be sure to open up Coleman column at the button of article. Gives more details.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    New York Daily News(it leans left) “Poor Caroline Shows a Brave Face”.

    May I assume this paper did not compare her to Sarah in not doing well with dealing with the news media. Did the Paper speak of married Caroline’s affair with a married man. Did the Paper speak of Caroline upcoming tax problems. Did the Paper speak of Caroline’s domistic help problems. My guess it did not. As I know you know.

    As Americans, we must accept “Democrat Rightishness”-Right of Democrats to be above “the rest of us”. Right to destroy any Republican treat. Such as Sarah Palin. And right to place blame on Republicans on things people revolt against. And take credit for any thing good done by Republibam.

    Today, we have a new ” medieval Caste system” in the works. Welfare was the largest monetary give-a-way in world history. Obama plan will be a “super nova” in comparrison.

    If passed, a business can be sued for dicrimination 20 years ago. How many businesses will be forced to settle out of court because of “lack of evidence” to defend themselves. How many businesses will go “Out of Business” over this.

    Aren’t we seeing Obama fulfilling the words he spoke to ” Joe the Plumber”

    May “God Save America”. Instead of the wishes of Obama’s preacher ! I believe Obama, by his actions, did listen and belive in what Rev. Wright taught !

    SAVE OUR AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE. IMPEACH OBAMA, SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, REID, FRANK, AND DOBBS.

  • Bill Hedges

    D.D.Mao

    Here ia a long article. It shames the Democrats and enviormental groups. It s documented with link and facts. Democrats and envionmentalist. will do and hide anything to push GREEN. Even lie about Gobal Warning as I showed earlier.

    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,IMPOTANT,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    WE HAVE MORE OIL IN A SMALL AREA OF AMERICA THAN IN ALL OF THE MIDDLE EAST. MORE OIL IN AMERICA THAN ALL PROVEN OIL RESERVES IN THE WORLD
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    WHY DO WE BUY MIDDLE EAST OIL………… FOR POLITICAL REASON ? FOR GREEN ? Can’t we go green and burn American oil instead of getting it from middle east

    This was emailed to me. Did you see this on the news media ?
    .,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    The biggest hidden secret……

    GOOGLE it or follow this link. It will blow your mind.

    To read the article from the
    U.S. Department of the Interior, U.S. Geological Survey Report
    Click on
    http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911

    The U.S. Geological Service issued a report in April (’08) that only scientists and oilmen knew was coming, but man was it big.
    It was a revised report (hadn’t been updated since ’95) on how much oil was in this area of the
    western 2/3 of North Dakota ;
    western South Dakota; and
    extreme eastern Montana … check THIS out:

    The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska ‘s Prudhoe Bay, and has the potential to
    eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil.

    The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion barrels.
    Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable… at $107 a barrel,
    we’re looking at a resource base worth more than $5.3 trillion.

    ‘When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their jaws hit the floor.
    They had no idea.’ says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature’s financial analyst.

    ‘This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in the past 56 years,’
    reports The Pittsburgh Post Gazette.
    It’s a formation known as the Williston Basin , but is more commonly referred to as the ‘Bakken.’
    And it stretches from Northern Montana, through North Dakota and into Canada .
    For years, U.S. oil exploration has been considered a dead end.
    Even the ‘Big Oil’ companies gave up searching for major oil wells decades ago.
    However, a recent technological break through has opened up the Bakken’s massive reserves…
    and we now have access of up to 500 billion barrels.
    And because this is light, sweet oil, those billions of barrels will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL!

    That’s enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 41 years straight.

    2. [And if THAT didn’t throw you on the floor, then this next one should –
    because it’s from TWO YEARS AGO, people!]

    U.S.Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World!
    Stansberry Report Online – 4/2 0/2006 Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains
    lies the largest untapped oil reserve in the world is more than 2 TRILLION barrels.
    On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction.

    They reported this stunning news:
    We have more oil inside our borders, than all the other
    proven reserves on earth.
    Here are the official estimates :

    -8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia
    -18-times as much oil as Iraq
    -21-times as much oil as Kuwait-22-times as much oil as Iran
    -500-times as much oil as Yemen –

    and it’s all right here in the Western United States …

    HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this!?
    Because the democrats, environmentalists and left wing republicans have blocked all efforts
    to help America become independent of foreign oil.

    James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we’ve got more oil in this very compact
    area than the entire Middle East -more than 2 TRILLION barrels. Untapped.
    That’s more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in the world today,
    reports The Denver Post.

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    Don’t think ‘OPEC’ will drop its price – with this find?
    Think again! It’s all about the competitive marketplace – it has to.
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  • DDMao

    Bill …………….I enjoyed your recent post and as you know you are preaching to the chorus here which is why you aren’t getting any arguments.I notice the left have seemed to have gone from this site who posibly could give us a perspective from the “O”merica nation.Possibly it could be THE 500 MILLION BEING UNEMPLOYED EACH MONTH according to Speaker Pelosi.At that rate we will have 6 BILLION UNEMPLOYED each year and we better getting working on stopping abortion if we want to meet that figure…..LOL.Liberals were never any good at math.

  • DDMao

    Bill…………..I just found a site you might enjoy.It’s called http://www.impeachobamastore.us/main.sc

  • Bill Hedges

    DDMao,

    A Obama-bought/paid-for voter with any brains I feel has to see he made a lot of promises that mean nothing. Because he said whatever was necessary to win. His favored groups have exploded the stimulas bill. If there is any hope for America the present bill must be PORK FREE. That PORK goes to ACORN and all of Obama and Speaker groups that own them. If it fails, Obama will lose his GOD status before 30 days is up. The average obama voter who condemn McCain and praised Obama doesn’t want to answer us.

    The PRESS support will crumble. Showing signs. His popularity is failing, but you don’t hear the poll numbers.
    Have you ?

    Obama LOvERs I think see the writing on the wall. Hitler did not rule for a thounsand years. I would love for those folks to try and justify obama. Some liberals you know read these comments, and dare not respond.

    As Hannity is saying now, obama is letting speaker make the bill. Later obama will yell her name when public destroy this bill.. since Bush had nothing to do in making this bill.

    Hannity said in present form the bill may not pass Senate. $100,000 for door bell. Dog parks. This and more is in bill.

    Where is that guy who said how stupid and worse we are. Come on back.

    Any day I expect Bill Ayers to be caught by camera entering or leaving the WHITE HOUSE

    i’M GOING TO BUY A T-SHIRT

    I will never be in obama’s round table. I have always paid my taxes. And I am not a lobbyist.

    Obama . What change. Oh bad change

  • Bill Hedges

    OMG…OMG…OMG

    Another one obama-head

    Obama’s CIA leader in trouble.

    Obama change. ” Bad change obama.”

    EXPERIENCE AND HISTORY COUNTS

  • DDMao

    Bill………….National reveiw on line (www.nationalreveiw.com)has 50 items that are included in the stimulus package which are nothing but PORK AND PAYBACKS TO LIBERAL ORGANIZATIONS.Everyone should see this!!!
    They also have an item in the section called the corner from Obamas campaign page on ethics and how he will conduct his administration.One item deals with a “Sunshine website” that he will post a law that is proposed for 5 days for the public to reveiw the law before being passed.Another deals with how his administration will deal with lobbist and former employers.
    DOWN THE TOILET …….AND IT ONLY TOOK TWO WEEKS.

  • DDMao

    Bill……….Politico website from January 28 2009 has a detailed list of 12 or so LOBBIST WHO THE DALI-BAMA SAID “WON’T FIND JOBS IN MY WHITE HOUSE”. The article is by Kenneth P. Vogel and Mike Allen and doesn’t even list Tom Daschle who did lobbist work for the insurance conglomerate UnitedHealth Group and was paid $2.1 million from them.

  • DDMao

    Lets all hope AND PRAY that Obama’s recent comment because”I WON” doesn’t turn into his most recent comment “I SCREWED UP” when he negotiates with terrorist leaders with out any preconditions.God help America !

  • Bill Hedges

    DDMao

    Reid said bill will pass today or tomorrow. Said it could be “fine turned” aftward. Yeah, I believe that. This “rush” to pass or the “sky will fall” is very suspecious to me.I hope Republicans uncover reason and feed it to the news media

    http://www.nmatv.com/video/881/Nancy-Pelosi-on-Fox-News-Sunday

    I was very pleased to hear CNBC announcers discusing all the PORK in this bill. CNBC is no Fox News, but then who is……

  • Bill Hedges

    OH BOY…OH BOY…OH BOY…OH BOY…OH BOY…

    Another Obama nominee involved in TAX PROBLEM. Her husband that is. But can we blame her ? If she doesn’t know what is going on in her own house, that makes her a good leader of America. LET’S GIVE OBAMA BENIFIT OF THE DOUBT YIME, AFTER TIME, AFTER TIME, AFTER TIME, AFTER TIME AFTER YIME

    OBAMA OBAMA, OBAMA…..ANOTHER ….BUSH

  • DDMao

    “The French Revolution was the finest revolution because it was the first time in history the art of government was not in the deceiving and corruption of man but enlightening him and making him better”…Robespierre 1791
    “The bar we set is the highest any administration in this country has ever set”
    White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs February 2009

  • Bill Hedges

    DDMao.

    I watched OUR LEADER lead to. He demanded now the passage of spending bill (Obama called it that today–said not all will create jobs . just spend money.) He waited untill hours of passing to change name from creating jobs, fising btiges, etc. To a spending bill so he could justify a

  • Bill Hedges

    DDMao.

    I watched OUR LEADER lead THURSDAY. He demanded now the passage of spending bill (Obama called it that today–said not all will create jobs . just spend money.) He waited until the 11th hours of passing to change name from creating jobs, fixing bridges, etc. To a spending bill so he could justify a DOG PARK AND TENNIS COURTS in his plan to save America from DOOM if not pasted NOW. We will be in utter DAMNATION if not pasted today. Tennis is very important

    What I Saw in Obama today gave me a new respect for him. He reminds me of another PRESiDENt. That PRESIDENT had a outstanding quote that I need not even say, but you will know what it is. I do not even have to use this man’s name. I will use his beloved nickname..”TRICKY DICKY”

  • DDMao

    “We have nothing to fear but fear itself”…….F.D.Roosevelt March 1933
    “A failure to act,and act now will turn crisis into a catastrophe”……….Barack Obama 4 February 2009

    SO MUCH FOR THIS CLOWN BEING ANOTHER FDR ….EXCEPT FOR THE SPENDING.!

  • DDMao

    “Make no mistake tax cheaters cheat us all and the IRS should enforce our laws to the letter”…Tom Daschle 7 May 1998

    CHANGE IS WHAT THE DEMOCRATS PAY IN TAXES !!!

  • Bill Hedges

    DDMao

    At keast FDR did not build tennis courts as far as I know. It built my high school. My Dad did not sit at home drawing welfare. He planted trees. (Hey Obama, a GREEN idea, make people work and do something useful for your welfare.)

    There are signs according to CNBC that economy has bottome and soon will turn. Money that FED and BUSH pumped in takes time to take efect. 6 months to year.

    Best poll I could find said Obama rating dropped from the 80’s. Lost his Messiah status. In 2 weeks. He may not have 100 day grace period.

    CHANGE IS MICHAEL STEELE. Finest President in America. Unlike Obama, he has no TERRIORIST FRIENDS, No past friends unwilling to talk. A well keep secret by mews media. He is kicking out the board. Stelle, a real Messiah.

  • Bill Hedges

    DDMao,,

    Tom Daschle QUOTE is just one mistake. Not fair to point out. Our friend Teddy is the MAN. HE IS common man. Follow his lead.

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101020930-355405,00.html – 46k –

  • DDMao

    Bill…………. Michael Steele as RNC chairmen scares the Democrats so much they are passing around false rumors that he violated campaign laws while running for the Senate in Maryland.But needless to say Republicans are guilty until THEY PROVE THEMSELVES INNOCENT.So expect to hear lie after lie about Steele and the media feeding it.

  • Bill Hedges

    DDMao

    They are still saying the baby is not Sarah’s. No proof, they just say it.

    Luckily we don’t have to lie about Obama. Which unfortunely is bad for America. I am hoping the water slide is not taken out of the PORK BILL. Sounds like great way to create jobs to me.

    President Ronald and President John Kennedy did it right. Our 3 present Presidents have an agenda. Which has to do with a pig.

    What fears Democras they attack. So if Steele did wrong go public with yout evidence. They won’t. Nothing there. Obama’s personal wealth is starting to come out.

    Obaba brags he was elected to “change.” His PORK BILL has 60 % disapproval rating by America. Obama said must be passed because people are for it. Obama is “out of touch”. His lack of experience shines.

  • DDMao

    Bill visit the new site with a current story on Biden.

  • Bill Hedges

    DDMao

    Thanks I did. Todays talk show were tearing apart Republicans for fighting PORK BILL. “O” I think is falling in polls.

    You know in secret discussions on PORK BILL I believe no Republician is allowed to enter. Which means Democrats are doing Republicans a big favor.

    “O” has made Speaker and Reid PORK BILL his. Damnation to America if not passed. (not a quote )”O” is being led on a leash by our other 2 Presidents. To the slaughter.

    With signs economy has bottomed, future improvements will push “O” into a tar pit with Democrats throwing feathers on him. Their “escape goat”.

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