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Just hours after his historic victory as the first African-American president, Barack Obama immediately began the process of transition into the role and taking point as Commander-in-Chief.
First thing on the agenda, Obama named a chief of staff at the White House, report from Yahoo News:
WASHINGTON – President-elect Barack Obama pivoted quickly to begin filling out his new administration on Wednesday, selecting hard-charging Illinois Rep. Rahm Emanuel as White House chief of staff while aides stepped up the pace of transition work that had been cloaked in pre-election secrecy.
Several Democrats confirmed that Emanuel had been offered the job. While it was not clear he had accepted, a rejection would amount to an unlikely public snub of the new president-elect within hours of an electoral college landslide.
With hundreds of jobs to fill and only 10 weeks until Inauguration Day, Obama and his transition team confronted a formidable task complicated by his anti-lobbyist campaign rhetoric.
The official campaign Web Site said no political appointees would be permitted to work on “regulations or contracts directly and substantially related to their prior employer for two years. And no political appointee will be able to lobby the executive branch after leaving government service during the remainder of the administration.”
But almost exactly one year ago, on Nov. 3, 2007, candidate Obama went considerably further than that while campaigning in South Carolina. “I don’t take a dime of their money, and when I am president, they won’t find a job in my White House,” he said of lobbyists at the time.
Because they often have prior experience in government or politics, lobbyists figure as potential appointees for presidents of both parties.
On the morning after making history, the man elected the first black president had breakfast with his wife and two daughters at their Chicago home, went to a nearby gym and visited his downtown offices.
Aides said he planned no public appearances until later in the week, when he has promised to hold a news conference.
Also, more from Fox News on the Obama transition team:
After a selection process that has lasted the past several months, the Obama campaign has unveiled the individuals that will ensure the smooth transition of Barack Obama and Joe Biden into the White House in January:
Co-chairs: John Podesta, Valerie Jarrett, and Pete Rouse.
Advisory Board: Carol Browner, William Daley, Christopher Edley, Michael Froman, Julius Genachowski, Donald Gips, Governor Janet Napolitano, Federico Pena, Susan Rice, Sonal Shah, Mark Gitenstein, and Ted Kaufman.
Transition Senior Staff:
Chris Lu — Executive Director
Dan Pfeiffer — Communications Director
Stephanie Cutter — Chief Spokesperson
Cassandra Butts — General Counsel
Jim Messina — Personnel Director
Patrick Gaspard — Associate Personnel Director
Christine Varney — Personnel Counsel
Melody Barnes — Co-Director of Agency Review
Lisa Brown — Co-Director of Agency Review
Phil Schiliro –Director of Congressional Relations
Michael Strautmanis –Director of Public Liaison and Intergovernmental Affairs
Katy Kale — Director of Operations
Brad Kiley — Director of Operations
Video report from CBS News:
President-elect Obama will have a lot on his plate, first and foremost, this:
NEW YORK (AP) — A case of postelection nerves sent Wall Street plunging Wednesday as investors, looking past Barack Obama’s presidential victory, returned to their fears of a deep and protracted recession. Volatility swept over the market again, with the Dow Jones industrials falling nearly 500 points and all the major indexes tumbling more than 5 percent.
The market was widely expected to give back some gains after a runup that lifted the Standard & Poor’s 500 index more than 18 percent and that gave the Dow its best weekly advance in 34 years; moreover, many analysts had warned that Wall Street faced more turbulence after two months of devastating losses.
But investors lost their recent confidence about the economy and began dumping stocks again.
“The market has really gotten ahead of itself, and falsely priced in that this recession wasn’t going to be as prolonged as thought,” said Ryan Larson, head of equity trading at Voyageur Asset Management, a subsidiary of RBC Dain Rauscher. “Regardless of who won the White House, these problems are not going away.”
“We’re in a really bad recession, period,” he said. “People are locking in profits and realizing we’re not out of the woods.”
Beyond broad economic concerns, worries about the financial sector intensified after Goldman Sachs Group Inc. began to notify about 3,200 employees globally that they have been lost their jobs as part of a broader plan to slash 10 percent of the investment bank’s work force, a person familiar with the situation said. The cuts were first reported last month. Goldman fell 8 percent, while other financial names also fell; Citigroup Inc. dropped 14 percent.
Commodities stocks also fell after steelmaker ArcelorMittal said it would slash production because of weakening demand. Its stock plunged 21.5 percent.
Although the market expected Obama to win the election, as the session wore on investors were clearly worrying about the weakness of the economy and pondered what the Obama administration might do. Analysts said the market is already anxious about who Obama selects as the next Treasury Secretary, as well as who he picks for other Cabinet positions.
“The celebration is over. Today we saw a bit of reality,” said Al Goldman, chief market strategist at Wachovia Securities in St. Louis. “President-elect Obama is coming into a situation with limited experience, having to handle an economy in serious trouble, a couple of wars and terrorism. It’s an extremely tough job.”
Clearly much of this began months ago, however, this is what Obama will now have to deal with and start giving a nation, which promised to change, some answers about what he intends to do.
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The change begins. 8 years of Obama/Biden will get us back on track. Obama is making it happen already. I look forward to his service in office.
Some of you will gripe and make claims about Obama from now on and no matter how stupid he makes you look you will continue. The good news for you people is that he will help you as well.
Not a very long vacation from this site I see Nate… =p
On to the issue. It is a difficult road for Obama, and even more difficult to get elected for the second term. A lot of people are expecting him to magically turn it around. When they see that the changes aren’t there 4 years down the road, they might not be so optimistic towards Obama.
In more general terms. Many Americans are results oriented people. When they don’t see the results, they look elsewhere. The changes that Obama needs to make will take longer than 4 years, so we will see if it is a full 8 year Obama/Biden presidency.
Jeremy
First of all some on here claim to know what the American people want but they learned a lesson Tuesday night. If the American people you talk about were “results” people then it would have been hard for McCain to get the support that he did because his results over the past 20 plus years hardly say president. Also if the American people were “results” people then as soon as Palin came in the picture he would have been done.
Fact is that the American people are getting smart. Not as many people stick to a party title as they have in the past. Still a large number do but that is going away. People who vote for someone because of the party they join just hurt the nation. Just because daddy or grandpaw said vote this way does not mean that it is right. Many people know little about the whole thing but vote one way or the other because it is how they were raised. Sad that so many don’t have a mind of their own.
Obama won the election because he proved to the American people that he is qualified and ready to bring about the change that people like McCain have talked about for years.
It is coming and when it does you will see 8 years beside Obama’s name in the books.
People don’t like him for stupid reasons and they will continue to talk about him but we all just learned what kind of people the American people are….Obama people!
56,433,226 and counting are not “Obama people,” God help us.
“The good news for you people is that he will help you as well.”
USA, you still haven’t realized that not everybody wants Obama’s help, what can’t you understand about that? Not everyone thinks the government should be involved in redistributing wealth.
I’ll support my president, and disagree with him when he’s wrong, but I’ll never be part of the “Obama people,” it sounds like you’ll be going to picnics together and paying homage to your great leader, The One.
Obama’s just a liberal politician with a slick tongue, nothing more. He won based on the economy, and nothing else.
If you think he won on a liberal platform, you’re living in denial. It will be funny to see if he tries to implement socialist policies, will the people who voted for him as a centrist be pleased?
Somehow I doubt it, but U.S.A. will always be there for him, like a good family pet.
I don’t rely on the government for achieve my goals, pay my mortgage, or buy my gas, so I guess this doesn’t affect me. Fortunately for those like U.S.A. who need Barack Obama’s help to get out of bed in the morning, they’ll be more productive people.
So thank you President elect Obama, you have provided a way for U.S.A. to become prosperous and productive since he/she was incapable of success on his/her own.
http://www.youtube.com/wa.....C4ZYdkuWuc
This is great because he doesn’t compromise!
U.S.A.
I am just submitting things that I have heard from….
OBAMA PEOPLE…
People who voted for Obama and are very smart and do not rely on their government to do things for them. They see it like it is and it makes sense.
We will see however if it becomes reality.
Most that I have read on these forums was not about what people thought other people wanted, but what they wanted which was either McCain or Obama as president.
Pssh, read up on your history and then come back and talk to me. McCain has done a lot for this country, hands down. Stop coming here with that nonsense.
Again, back up your argument with some substance before trying to debunk my thoughts.
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Are you sure? Where is your data? I'm willing to wager that you would be surprised.
Yeah, tell that to anyone who watched the video a few articles below where the lady is ecstatic because she doesn't have to worry about her bills or her mortgage just because Obama is now the president.
And finally, XHTML tags... =s I hope I did it right so it will show up correctly...
Bah, ignore the last post. I was playing around with a bunch of XHTML options to try and get a [quote=] equivalent, but it didn’t work. =p I tried q cite=”", blockquote cite=”" and code since I know the [code] tags give a nice little blocked in thing. Oh well...
U.S.A.
I am just submitting things that I have heard from....
OBAMA PEOPLE...
People who voted for Obama and are very smart and do not rely on their government to do things for them. They see it like it is and it makes sense to me.
We will see however if it becomes reality.
U.S.A. wrote...
First of all some on here claim to know what the American people want but they learned a lesson Tuesday night...
Most that I have read on these forums was not about what people thought other people wanted, but what they wanted which was either McCain or Obama as president.
U.S.A. wrote...
If the American people you talk about were “results” people then it would have been hard for McCain to get the support that he did because his results over the past 20 plus years hardly say president...
Pssh, read up on your history and then come back and talk to me. McCain has done a lot for this country, hands down. Stop coming here with that nonsense.
U.S.A. wrote...
Also if the American people were “results” people then as soon as Palin came in the picture he would have been done...
Palin did a lot of things to clean up corruption in her term in government.
U.S.A. wrote...
Fact is that the American people are getting smart. Not as many people stick to a party title as they have in the past. Still a large number do but that is going away. People who vote for someone because of the party they join just hurt the nation...
Are you sure? Where is your data? I'm willing to wager that you would be surprised.
U.S.A. wrote...
People don’t like him for stupid reasons and they will continue to talk about him but we all just learned what kind of people the American people are….Obama people!...
Yeah, tell that to anyone who watched the video a few articles below where the lady is ecstatic because she doesn't have to worry about her bills or her mortgage just because Obama is now the president.
U.S.A.– Your first comment was full of assumptions. Major events easily will dictact if Obama will serve 2 terms. Economy caused McCain’s failure. His polls were rising bot collapsed because of Acore. What is sad is McCain warned of sub-prime, said it would ruin our economy and asked for regulations. Acorn along with Bill Clinto, Frank, and Dodd added hugh amount of money to bad loan sub-prime homes. This caused the destruction of wall Street. With that happening, McCain was dead in the water. Obama may do well and be elected a second term. Or he could make a major mistake or one sneaks up on him. His mass of voters could be disappointed in Obama for not lliving up to their expectation. U.S.A.,In 4 years I hope you are better off financially than you are today. I hope you hard work hard and use your brain power. And not expect governmet to better your life. You will succeed more through your labor………………………………………………..I saw a video of Obama talking to a group of community organizers. He said he would meet with Acorn and the others when developing his government. I wonder if he still feels that way ? This occured Dec. of 2007.
Christopher Schwinger,
I heard that little snippet on the radio going to work and thought that it was a pretty ridiculous statement. There are many other things that he could have said other then use a derogatory term like that.
Suzie
You may not want Obama’s help but your gonna get it anyway…..oh yea and you will be thankful. Its easy to talk stupid online. I have not received government assistance or unemployment as of yet but if Bush don’t hurry up and get out we may all be in line behind you.
The argument that Obama is going to give away everything and that anyone needs government or Obama to make it is just stupid. You must be a Palin fan.
Jeremy
Sure McCain may have done a few things that were good but nothing that 20 plus years gave him a chance to do. Don’t tell me that I need to research my history and lead me to believe that McCain was anything special.
The video of the woman happy because she no longer has to worry is not to be taken in the way some losers take it. Like 63 plus million people she is happy because now we have a leader who will make policy that will allow the middle class to grow again. Rather than the current policy that rewards the rich at the middle class expense. We will now have a chance to gain something along with the rich.
It will not happen overnight and Obama will not be paying people’s electric bill but rather we will have a government that creates an economy that will allow everybody to be better kinda like Clinton did.
Unlike most people I have done my research. Also unlike most people on here atleast I did not have my mind up before I did my research. My 93 page report put together by me about both candidates was the way that I learned about them. I don’t just watch the news and claim I know what is up. I know what is up because I put the time into learning. I doubt you can say that.
Bill
You are right. I don’t know that Obama will serve 8 years but I think he will.
This argument that the Obama people want Obama to give us free handouts is pure crap!
You said:
I hope you hard work hard and use your brain power. And not expect governmet to better your life. You will succeed more through your labor………………………………………………..
WHAT!
I don’t want government to better my life and neither to the Obama people. We want government to set policy so that we have a chance to better ourselves. The past 8 years of Bush policy has taken that chance away from most so we elected the man who will give that chance back.
You tell me why some say that Obama people want government to rescue them with free stuff. That is pure stupid and that argument shows the level of stupid in those who make those arguments. That attitude along with that type stupid thought is just the thing we need to rid America of so we can move forward.
U.S.A. SAID–The argument that Obama is going to give away everything and that anyone needs government or Obama to make it is just stupid. You must be a Palin fan……It was Obama who said “spread the wealth.” Which means government takes money from rich and government gives to the poor….What Sarah did was take profits of State owne land, and gave oil profit to all alaskian citizens a check. Sarah did not rob from the rich to give to poor…………………………………………………U.S.A. said–”It will not happen overnight and Obama will not be paying people’s electric bill but rather we will have a government that creates an economy that will allow everybody to be better kinda like Clinton did.”……Yes, Bill Clinton was lucky enough to have a Republican Congress. Bush did well first 6 years, then fell with 2 years of Democrat controled Congress.
U.S.A. said…
Unlike most people I have done my research. Also unlike most people on here atleast I did not have my mind up before I did my research. My 93 page report put together by me about both candidates was the way that I learned about them. I don’t just watch the news and claim I know what is up. I know what is up because I put the time into learning…
Then back it up and stop wasting my time.
USA said–”You tell me why some say that Obama people want government to rescue them with free stuff. That is pure stupid and that argument shows the level of stupid in those who make those arguments”………..You’re buddy said it. Obama said “Spread the wealth”. Charge higher tases on the rich. Instead of spending it on government functions, he will give it to lower economic groups.. ….So you are the pure stupid person, using your words, not mine..
Bill
Don’t talk to me about Palin. She should be arrested for even driving by the White House. She is no doubt stupid so don’t even go there.
Next, you take the “spread the wealth” comment out of context. I don’t know if some do this because they need something to argue about or if they are just not smart enough to understand. You tell me! Either way it is obvious that most of America has the common sence to know what the man talks about. That argument is crap as well.
Last, you can downplay Clinton if you want. That crap has gone on for so long…..it’s over. Bush never did well. His time went down hill from the first year and just kept going. This is all common knowledge so this is not an argument you could win. What do you have….. something like 25% of America stupid enough to go along with that?
Jeremy
You want me to mail the damn report to you? I guess if I did you could get up to speed as well huh. Nice try!
Bill,
I had given you some credit as being somewhat decent in the past but now I see true colors. Turn words around if you want. In the end…..
OBAMA WON. If he takes from some to give to others I hope he give yours to Bush!
SuzyQ why are you such a negative person. If our government does something for us, it doesnt mean it gave us a handout. We have a government to do a job right, and by doing their job, they are doing something for us, unless the purpose of the government is NOT to serve it citizens.
If you mean the government does nothing for you, you mean it does not sign your paycheck, well of course. When I say I want my government, or my president, to serve me, to assist me, to do something for me, I don’t mean write me a check, because as with you, I surely don’t need any handout, I do quite well for myself financially.
If by doing something for me I mean making sure that the educational curve in this country stops curving down and starts curving up, than yes, I hope Obama helps to “change” that and “do that for me.”
What can I do? Well I can take an active role in the education of my children. I can fight to get the right people appointed to our local school board. I can make sure that I know my children’s teachers and other staff in their schools. I can not right legislation that govern requirements of school and its staff personally. I can not finance the local education system.
The president can write legislation that will lead to education regulation. He can write legislation that governs how public schools are funded. He can help us by pushing local governments to take control and see that our children are not ranked as idiots compared to other nations.
So yes, I’d love to have a President do something for me and help with the education of our nation’s children. I’d consider that “one” thing as doing something for me, and I dont consider that a handout. I consider that to be a requirement. It’s obvious that our nations citizens are not doing enough, so maybe the way Obama got so many people to play an active role in his campaign, maybe he can rally just as many people to work towards correcting the foundation of this nation, the education of its future leaders.
P.S. I hate negative people. Lighten up, and lets discuss how we can make a positive difference rather than bash our new president, or bashing each other simply because we have a difference of opinion. Holy crap, even McCain said that even though him and Obama have a difference of opinion, he’d rather see everyone work together, not bash each other. And no, I dont hate you, I just hate negativity in general….
USA-Couldn’t take my response about Sarah. Not in you 93 pages ?……You need to add another 300 pages. Or look up spread the wealth. Or find someone with higher IQ than you. Or read what I worte, because I am right. Period..Again, you’re supid . Check my facts. They are right…..You should go back to just insulting. When someone uses facts to duspute your facts, you fall apart and go back to you old insulting ways…I thew in a few insults to make you feel at home.
I think we should meet up on IRC to talk rather than trying to talk by posting comments on this site…..
Bill, I’d especially love to chat with you.
USA SAID–”Bill,
I had given you some credit as being somewhat decent in the past but now I see true colors. Turn words around if you want. In the end…..
OBAMA WON. If he takes from some to give to others I hope he give yours to Bush”………… You can’t answer my response, so you say this.
I’m not religious but there really must be a God for not letting Palin through the front doors of the White House.
I will give her her dues though, she has clearly highlighted what’s wrong with the Republican Party or the right-wing conservative side to it that’s for sure.
Palin 2012?….my @$$ (can I say @$$ with my post being nuked?) Bobby Jindal is my bet.
Heard John Kerry’s name being thrown around as possible Secretary of State. That could be a bad move, not sure someone who’s as interesting as Treebeard from Lord Of The Rings would make progress in the Middle East.
::whispers::IRC
Kendale–OK…USA insults when flustered
http://www.youdecide2008.com/chat/
we’re waiting on you to click the chat link U.S.A.
bill
First of all you should know that I like to argue. I will keep this up as long as Nate allows it. I don’t get angry over others post and that is why I can keep it up. If your game then bring it on.
I don’t even discuss Palin because she is not worth the time. Simple as that.
You are to stupid to know facts I guess so just continue to hear Obama and make up your own words to explain his message.
Why don’t you understand this…..OBAMA PEOPLE OUT NUMBER YOU. OBAMA PEOPLE KNOW HIS MESSAGE AND ARE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND IT. YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM AND WE OBAMA PEOPLE VOTED THE PROBLEM OUT!
You lose man…it’s over….done….You should send you money to Obama so he can give it away. Go ahead do it….
LoL you two are just silly
Kendale–I’m not getting chat to work. i think USA can’t take being confronted with facts.
USA- You, first, made fun of Sarah, so I made fool of you
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USA- try answering my respons to you. You arn’t, because you can’t. You jus want to change subject, or insult.
usa- I responded to your comment. Until you respond to that. no more from me. I am not getting any pleasure playing insult
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Bill Hedges Nov 6th, 2008 at 1:41 am
USA said–”You tell me why some say that Obama people want government to rescue them with free stuff. That is pure stupid and that argument shows the level of stupid in those who make those arguments”………..You’re buddy said it. Obama said “Spread the wealth”. Charge higher tases on the rich. Instead of spending it on government functions, he will give it to lower economic groups.. ….So you are the pure stupid person, using your words, not mine..
Bill Hedges Nov 6th, 2008 at 1:27 am
U.S.A. SAID–The argument that Obama is going to give away everything and that anyone needs government or Obama to make it is just stupid. You must be a Palin fan……It was Obama who said “spread the wealth.” Which means government takes money from rich and government gives to the poor….What Sarah did was take profits of State owne land, and gave oil profit to all alaskian citizens a check. Sarah did not rob from the rich to give to poor…………………………………………………U.S.A. said–”It will not happen overnight and Obama will not be paying people’s electric bill but rather we will have a government that creates an economy that will allow everybody to be better kinda like Clinton did.”……Yes, Bill Clinton was lucky enough to have a Republican Congress. Bush did well first 6 years, then fell with 2 years of Democrat controled Congress.
When did Obama say that he rather give rich tax payers money to lower economic groups?
I was under the impression that he wants to raise the amount of tax on those making more than $250K
Keep those making $200k-249k’s tax bracket the same
And lower the amount of tax those making less than $200K will pay.
By that he is not giving anything to anyone. He is just changing the percentage of tax various groups are paying.
This looks dumb from both standpoints.
Bill Hedges Nov 6th, 2008 at 1:27 am
U.S.A. SAID–The argument that Obama is going to give away everything and that anyone needs government or Obama to make it is just stupid. You must be a Palin fan……It was Obama who said “spread the wealth.” Which means government takes money from rich and government gives to the poor….What Sarah did was take profits of State owne land, and gave oil profit to all alaskian citizens a check. Sarah did not rob from the rich to give to poor…………………………………………………U.S.A. said–”It will not happen overnight and Obama will not be paying people’s electric bill but rather we will have a government that creates an economy that will allow everybody to be better kinda like Clinton did.”……Yes, Bill Clinton was lucky enough to have a Republican Congress. Bush did well first 6 years, then fell with 2 years of Democrat controled Congress.
USA– You will not be allowed, by me, to continue to argue unless you answer response
Spread the wealth in my eyes means this.
If you are making far more money than what is needed then you have some to spread.
With this being said their is the greed problem.
When people get lots of money they enjoy spending lots of money rather than assisting those who do not make enough money.
With this, comes SuzyQ’s Idea. People will think, “Well if rich people will give me money, than why do I need to work?”
Here is the solution. Do not give people money unless they are doing for themselves something that will eventually put them in a position where they will either make sufficient money for themselves on their own, or make enough that the too can spread the money.
Place regulations on this idea. If people are not actively using this money to advance themselves in the proposed manner, deny them the money.
Just like if you are not productive at work, you lose that job.
Also, spreading the wealth just means changing the percentage of taxes individuals make based on their annual income.
Use this money for programs that are implemented to make our citizens more productive.
Kendale Sturdivent Nov 6th, 2008 at 2:38 am
When did Obama say that he rather give rich tax payers money to lower economic groups?………Obama did it when he told Joe the plumber that he would , spread the wealth.
Bill: That is simply a poor interpretation, designed by the media, that you seem to have happened to cling to.
Kendale Sturdivent Nov 6th, 2008 at 2:48 am
Also, spreading the wealth just means changing the percentage of taxes individuals make based on their annual income
……You are wrong
You also failed to quote the entire thing Obama said.
He said he that by spreading the wealth more people could become business owners. He did not say take from the rich and give to the poor so that can sit on their butts and do nothing.
You can cut and paste words from peoples statements to make it appear that they said anything that you want them to have said.
You all are talking about smartness and idiocy, yet you are making the same mistakes in your arguments as those you are claiming to not know what they are saying.
Kendale- my explanation of , spread the wealth, is correct
SO explain to me what Obama mean by spreading wealth. And do not quote Wikipedia or any other definition of socialism. Otherwise then you are just another Conspiracy Theorist.
So of I say, “That girl is fat.”
Then you say, “That girl is fat.”
Do we both mean that the girl is obese?
Or can I mean the girl is pleasurable to look at, and you mean the girl is obese.
You are taking what Obama said and cutting away the words he used to elaborate on the three words “spread the wealth” and turning it into what you want it to be. If you do not see that, than I suppose I can’t talk to you anymore for the same reason you will refuse to discuss things with U.S.A.
spread the wealth.” Which means government takes money from rich and government gives to poor
So do the poor not pay taxes?
Kenndale- I gave definition. I am sorry you do not like what Obama said to Joe the plumber. You can go to that video and listen to his exact words
If you are upset that the poor pay less taxes than the rich, well why not push for a fairtax? Let us eliminate the IRS and just having a standard federal tax on purchases?
If we do that, the poor still pay less tax than the rich because the rich have more money to spend, will spend more money, and thus pay more tax than those who make a little money, make fewer purchases, and thus pay less tax.
40 % do not pay taxes
I have seen the video. and his entire sentence did not say anything about taking from the rich and giving to the poor.
If you just want to play a game of interpretation I’m sure a bible study would be more entertaining than Joe and Barack’s brief, news media edited, so called conversation. 
Obvious I was discusing Income tax. Please do not get off target, as USA does
what is you polital title. so called conversation…what does that mean. they did talk ??
You keep saying that Obama is talking about taking money from the rich and giving to the poor but you do no elaborate on how you believe he will do this. I gave my explaination of how All people who work pay federal tax if they receive a paycheck. Those who make less, pay less, and pay a smaller percentage as well.
If you dont have a job, than you don’t pay tax. If you make so little that the $5000 standard deducation and EIC exempts you from owing the government any federal tax than you end up getting your federal tax deductions back. If you feel that someone whom makes so little that standard deduction and EIC exempts them from paying tax is wrong, than Jesus, you are evil
What does it matter what my voter registration card states my political affiliation matter in this conversation?
“Joe” asked Obama a question. Obama Answered. The news media focused you mind on only three of the words that came out of Obama’s mouth rather than all of the words, and now you have been manipulated into thinking Obama is Robin Hood. lol
If you wish to be real, we can continue our comments, otherwise I’m gone.. Obama said, spread the wealth. You know what that means. Don’t play games. So be real. or I will watch tv
Have fun. You can not get past those three words. So I suppose there is nothing to talk about. I tried.
P.S. I do not come on here to play games. My purpose of chatting here was to discuss the state of our country. Once we got past that, then we could share ideologies. We could discuss our own thoughts on how to correct what needs to be corrected. To talk about how we are citizens could take action to make our home a better place to live it.
If I wanted to play games, I could download a play a game that is actually fun. Rather than try and have a legitimate conversation with people who are so stuck on meaningless tit for tat that they can not move on from three words and actually collaborate and work towards something worthwhile.
Kendale satd–” P.S. I do not come on here to play games. My purpose of chatting here was to discuss the state of our country. Once we got past that, then we could share ideologies;;then said…..Rather than try and have a legitimate conversation with people who are so stuck on meaningless tit for tat that they can not move on from three words” …..If you could understand those 3 little words then pethaps we could have a discussion. But you don’t understand the simple term,,spread the wealth…
Ok, Obama is a Socialist, now can we talk about something else?
I’ll agree to disagree and move on, lol
Ok, just don’t prentend like that. It does not make for good conversation. What do you want to talk about ?
I dunno, I’m sleepy now. It’s 4am here in florida
I uuse to live in Sarasoda and Venice
I’m close. Tampabay (Saint Petersburg). Do You make more than $250K? hehe
Would you rather go to sleep
tarpon territory
lol, no, I probably will be up another 4 hours or so. I’m just not sure what to talk about. Though even if we did, I’d prefer some sort of chat system, instant messages or irc or something
I have a retirement, draw disability, and use to day trade, but not not. I make $90,000
I’ve actually seen some tarpon, or what I thought was tarpon. We were catching trout near the Skyway Bridge one day and evrything we pulled one up, something massive would swoosh by and try to take what we were pulling in, it was wicked! Very Huge something
Maybe. maybe marlin. I like to fish grouper, machera, grunts. Like to buy mullet from netters
I’m 27. I am a RN. I make around $60+K depending on how often I want to work. I don’t think I will ever make $250 though I plan to become a Osteopathic Physician. I plan to do more volunteer work than anything. “Doctors without Boarders” and Openning clinics
I just recently moved but live near St Pete beach in South Pasadena. Just behind my place you could sit and watch Mullet jump all day and night. You could easily net tons of mullet there. It was great. Boca Ciega bay had mullet, catfish, trout, and spanish mackerel, and if you go out a bit, king fish…I live downtown st pete now and have not been having much luck at all
Now its just tiny catfish, ladyfish, and jellowfin, but havnet been many large enough to keep. You can catch lots of shark at the st pete peir, but that stuff taste gross to me
Main thing is to save. If economy goes south, I have enough cash for several years. Plus small # of rifles.Would not want to be Doctor in that. Bone repair,, no
King is adult Spanish. I spent alot of time on jetty fishing. Enjoy snock. Rock crab or blue.. Nothing like freshly caught
hehe, not Orthopedic, Osteopathic. Its a medical doctor also cross trained in alternative medicine such as Acupuncture, Chiropractics and manipulation. I know that pharmaceuticals are needed, but if you can help certain ailments without being a drug kingpin, I’d say give the alternatives a chance first, hehe
And yes, I am more into saving money moreso than trying to depend on someones 401k plan or social security from the government. I am just glad that I am in the medical feidl so that I do not have to worry about mass layoffs and not being able to find work.
I feel so bad for all of those automotive employees that got laid off recently and all those who have jobs that are being downsized…
You’re damn right. I have never been big on eating seafood until I learn to catch it, man there is a huge difference
my mistake. Medical field is in high demand and always will be. I am guessing 401’s will soon be taxed. Government must getmoney somewhere.
haha Are you anti government or just anti government’s raping of its citizens for money?
Sad thing car companies did it to themselves . High wages and benefits, plus big cars. you can catch shrimp and crap on jetty you know
I am a conservative Republican. Believe in some help from government. Obama senate record scares me. But will give him a chance. I like Sarah style in Alaska and McCain too.
How would you design being a conservative?
Drill along with alternative energy. Least government with least regulationa, normal stuff
I am all for minimalizing government. I also think that in order to minimalize government we must have an educated society. I don’t have enough faith in the people of this country to run itself without government regulation. If we worked more on educating our people then we wouldn’t need father government in our business.
Biggest problem I have with Obama supporter is it is like a relion to them. Mind is not open. Can’t see . That worries me. Obama I fear is flsm flam man. I hope I am wrong He is President
I just hope the “Obama Administration” is chosen well. I hope the good, the smart, and the experienced keep close to him.
He, I think, is trying to go to the middle, but he has Speaker and Reid. Those two are nuts. Add Frank and Dodd. WOW. His association eith ACORN, biggest campaign in history, he owes big time to special grups that are radical. But this job can change a person
Call me a sucker, but I will hold on to faith in Obama. I’d like to see a side by side breakdown of Obama and McCain.
One column showing what people say is bad about a Obama Presidency, and the other showing how McCain is really and truly better.
As you know, Obama has purple lips. Could be from cigs Or ? He only gave 1 page health summarry. Could he have health problem. Look at Kennedy, he took all kinds of drug mixes. Including morphin
Obama added $1 million per day in pork. What 2-3 bills. On votes, many times he voted,,present. That’s about it in Senate
haha, he also has black gums….what would you say cause that, other than being of african decent
It is possible he has a condition that could cause that color to appear in his lips. He would also have many other signs ans symptoms though, all pointing to respiratory/cardiovascular conditions.
Nearly all of these conditions are those that are very short term, he has had these lips for a lot longer than most of these causes would last. So, he either has a congenital heart defect from birth, he has COPD, or he’s a person from african decent with funny colored lips, haha
I was not making fun of him. He has said purple lips was from smoking. I am concerned with one page summary. He could be restricking what Doctor can say. He did do crack. I wonder if he has a disease
His lips are SUPER PURPLE. I mean the kind of blue/purple caused by a health condition would not cause THAT much purple and still allow him to be standing and talking at the same time.
McCain released all, 1100 pages. Sarah relesed all. I must wonder why not. Helooks healthy, plays basketball.
haha….The only thing that causes a black person to have dark lips are smoking, heart, lung, blood disorders…..
If it was a heart or lung disorder he would also have a great deal of trouble giving those long winded speeches. The blood disorders that could cause that are easily treated, and cheaply treated….
My guess is smoking, even then, he’d have to smoke A LOT, so I dont know, interesting though
What type of health condition would prevent someone from being eligible for presidency? Is there really a such condition?
I don’t know. It is common to give record to public. What is that bad disease black people get. Kennedy was super sick I saw his Doctor show all the drug he took. He was really sick
I seen one thing on google that said maybe Barack has SIckle Cell, lol, its possible but i doubt it
lots of black people have dark lips, I doubt it’s anything. Half my family and most of my friends have been black….I’ve seen lots of dark lips
Sickie cell, I knew peple with that. They can look healthy, but not.
I bet smoking. Just wish he would have released all records like everybody else. Seem fair since John released 1100 pages
Sickle Cell Kills people young, it is possible, but not likely to live a long life with it. Though I’m sure Obama keeps himself in very good health. Smoking cigarettes and having sickle cell is like asking to die though. Cigarette smoking is asking for sickle cell crisis….I doubt he has sickle cell, plus having sickle cell would not give you purple lips unless you had a crisis, but if sickle cell crisis causes purple lips, he would feel like there was glass moving through his lips. lol
I can honestly say I don’t care about his medical records. It would not have changed my vote at all.
Well yes, but ads came out about John’s cancers
People attacking McCain for that are simply trying to find a way to take the vote away from him, I don’t condone that type of thing. It’s just silly. People are so easily distracted, it’s really sad. Then again if you are in poor health and running for president, it’d be wise to make sure you have a capable VP
What did you learn that caused you to label yourself as a Conservative Republican?
I don’t think Obama put that ad out. It was a indepenant, like the Rev Wright in last days
I have a problem with labels.
I don’t either. Labels are generay and doesn’t clearly say who you are
What views do you share with McCain. What policies of his do you agree with. Why do you think he would have made a better president?
He likes drilling, nuclear and other alt. fuel. Not for Alaska drilling, but I am. No Pork, least amount of reulations with safe guards. Cut waste and bad proframs.Hee is strong believer in working with Democrat. I believe in the two wars. Not giving illegal immigrants legal status. Lowe coperate taxes to increase job.. thats it for now
Well I am off to bed now….
Can you tell me how to separate paragraph
I just hit enter. I am using Firefox 3
thanks night
If you are using Internet Explorer, and hitting enter does not work try hitting enter then type
closing the br, then hit enter and type more, and that should separate the two
wow, it didnt show.
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but enclose it with the greater than and less than symbols just like parenthesis, that separates your lines
OK It messes up my writing not being able to do it
*ROFL* “obama people”. Yes, that’s what 50% of this country will call themselves now, isn’t it? You’ll carry signs and wear name tage and you’ll feel entitled to the world because you’re “obama people”. And you, USA, talk as if you’re the know all and be all of obama. But you cannot force the other 50% of this country to drink your koolaid. You couldn’t before the election, and you won’t afterward. For all the names and smears against George Bush and John McCain, I look forward to the freedom of saying the same things about your Messiah in the coming 4 four years. Nothing he does will please me, and I will voice my displeasure with him constantly. I will call him things like “fear monger” and maybe even “war monger”. I will call for his impeachment, and protest to have him arrested for treason. Yes, turn about is coming, and I’m looking forward to it.
Congratulations. You “obama people” will learn very quickly that you have made a terrible mistake. Not only is he not going to pay that poor ignorant woman’s bills, he’s not going to pay yours, either. He’s going to raise YOUR taxes, too.
What we are facing is simply another four year term of Jimmy Carter. I lived through that, and I’ll live through obama. But I won’t live well, and neither will you.
Oh, you can say “yes we can” until you’re blue in the face, but saying it loud don’t make it so, my friends.
U.S.A,
Give the Conservatives time to go throught the 5 stages. Some are still in denial while others are in depression. It is going to take a few weeks for them to come out of it.
You are wasting your time on them right now. Let us let Obama do the talking for right now. I have no doubt that the next two years are going to be big ones and there is going to be plenty to talk about.
As for bill and Kendale, Come on guys, this isn’t your personal chat room. Lets keep it on the topic.
“Biggest problem I have with Obama supporter is it is like a relion to them. Mind is not open. Can’t see .”
If you think that those are only Obama supporters then YOU are the one who is blind and can not see.
This is the problem i have with far left and far right loons. Like a lot of institutionalized insane people. They don’t know their crazy. They think everyone else is.
Both share this same view that you have about their opposition while at the same time not realizing they are actually close minded themselves.
They think they are absolutely correct and any other opinion is just stupid and they don’t get it.
Don’t think that close minded blind supporters are only of Obama. Because the other side has tons of evidence of the same.
And you can see them coming a mile away. The ones who only listen to Air America and watch MSNBC or the ones who only watch Fox news and listen to limbaugh and Mike Savage. Being that i watch and listen to both you can tell by the writing style of people online if they are one of those Zombies.
I’ve seen people make a deliberate effort to go through many interviews to cherry pick those who didn’t have much reason for voting for their candidate other than charisma or good speeches. They would present these people in a fashion to lead people to believe that this is what all of their supporters are about. When there are people on the other side who are exactly the same.
Kendal
“You are taking what Obama said and cutting away the words he used to elaborate on the three words “spread the wealth” and turning it into what you want it to be. If you do not see that, than I suppose I can’t talk to you anymore for the same reason you will refuse to discuss things with U.S.A.”
Using similar logic to this. Look at everything John McCain has said. Disregard an explanation of what he meant and just stick to pure definition. I’m sure you will find something which you can use this same technique.
Now this isn’t an attack on McCain this is an attack on Bill’s logic.
Here’s one statement from McCain about when he was a POW
“They never gave us any meaningful news,” McCain said. “They told us the day that Martin Luther King was shot, they told us the day that Bobby Kennedy was shot, but they never bothered to tell us about the moon shot. So it was certainly selected news.”
Martin Luther King being assassinated was not meaningful news.
Bobby Kennedy being assassinated was not meaningful news.
That is the conclusion you HAVE TO COME TO if you disregard his explanation which came later and go strictly by the definition of “meaningful”.
Then you can go a step further in the misrepresentation and point out that McCain has voted against MLK’s birthday being a holiday more than once.
Then stay very stubborn on the strict definition of “meaningful” and how that statement couldn’t mean anything other than what the dictionary states and your further proof of this is his voting record on MLK holiday.
Ignore everything reasonable. Just stick with those two stalking points, Oops i mean talking points and declare victory at any attempt to point out the obvious.
Even Obama realizes that he may have set higher expectations then he can deliver.
http://www.timesonline.co.....051118.ece
And this one paragraph is a bit concerning to me. Why does he feel he needs to go to a BIG MUSLIM COUNTRY to make a major address? And what will he do with the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay? I heard that one of them who was released went back to Iraq and was identified a a suicide bomber shortly after his release. If their governments don’t want them is he going to let them come live in the US? They could be your neighbor.
“The early priorities being lined up if he takes power are a mixture of symbolism and substance. He plans to make a major address in a big Muslim country early in his first term. Having pledged on the campaign trail to close Guantanamo Bay, he is also determined to make early moves to rid America of the controversial prison. Yet what to do with the remaining inmates looms as an intractable problem, as many of their home governments refuse to allow them to return.”
Some of you have referred to a woman who can’t wait for Obama to help pay her gas and her mortgage. She says that if she helps him he will help her. Unfortunately there are a lot of poor African American neighborhoods and I really think that these people believe he will be giving them money to help them out. They look at him as one of them. Even he has said if they aren’t paying taxes now they won’t see any benefits from his tax cuts. How is he going to explain this to them.
And I have just decided to identify myself in a different way. I am an English American. Anyone out there a French American or an Italian American? We talk about uniting and becoming one nation but the African Americans are the only culture in this country who identify themselves with the country of their ancestors. And Obama is only half black. I think when these people living in poor neighborhoods realize they aren’t getting what they expect they will blame him for being 50% white. Not being a racist just stating my opinion.
DJS, I am a Female American. We are the most oppressed minority in America. I’m looking for someone to champion me. Is that what you mean?
Since you brought up race, I’m going to make one statement. Had I realized that race was the object of the election – that it was destiny that an African American had to be elected in order to unite our world – I would have voted for Jesse Jackson. I may not agree with his policies, but at least I know who he really is, and what he really stands for. I know nothing about obama except that he is African American. I realize now that that’s all anybody needed to know about him, apparently.
I have come to the conclusion that the MSM think we are a bunch of stupid people. Have you ever noticed how after a debate or speech they spend more time telling you what was said and what they meant by it. And it all depends on which channel you watch. Obviously any MSM backing Obama is going to downplay his comments or explain them in a way that they want you to believe and they will really build up anything they think could be against McCain. The same with McCain.
We need to go back to the day when the news was the news. Just state the facts and let us make up our own mind. The MSM used to be unbiased. It would be nice to see them go back to that.
U.S.A,
Give the Conservatives time to go throught the 5 stages. Some are still in denial while others are in depression. It is going to take a few weeks for them to come out of it.
You are wasting your time on them right now. Let us let Obama do the talking for right now. I have no doubt that the next two years are going to be big ones and there is going to be plenty to talk about.
As for bill and Kendale, Come on guys, this isn’t your personal chat room. Lets keep it on the topic.
Babs – “I look forward to the freedom of saying the same things about your Messiah in the coming 4 four years”
And I look forward to your attempts at doing so. There is no doubt that there are no guarantees in life and we could be eating our words but more importantly I believe that “Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed–and no republic can survive.”
“No President should fear public scrutiny of his program. For from that scrutiny comes understanding; and from that understanding comes support or opposition. And both are necessary.” For that reason, Barack said in his victory speech that, “There are many who won’t agree with every decision or policy I make as President, and we know that government can’t solve every problem. But I will always be honest with you about the challenges we face. I will listen to you, especially when we disagree.”
I know you believe him to be all words but words will always retain their power. Words are the means to meaning and the annunciation of truth. So while you down play Barack he has been open with you.
And more importantly open with the American People, which is why he has won this election and what will make him a successful president. Oh, I am sure you will bring up his encounters with Ayers but you will also ignore his associations with people like Warren Buffet.
I know you are afraid. Who wouldn’t be? War, terror, disease. There are a lot of problems which conspire to corrupt reason and rob people’s common sense.
For this reason, we will play the waiting game and I like you look forward to the day where we can look back in the rearview mirror and judge barrack for the president that he will have been and I look forward to that debate.
The question is, will some of you be able to put down their hate and contempt to judge him based on reason instead of emotion?
I believe History will judge Obama as one of the presidents.
Babs…I’m with you but I am a single white Female American. And we are the most oppressed minority in America. If you find someone who will champion you let me know. And you understood exactly what I meant.
I am not sure but I think a big percentage of Obama winning was because of race. But there are also a lot of people who aren’t happy with Bush and want to blame one person for everything. And I will always believe that if Obama had not run as an African American (went with his 50% white) he would not have gotten voted in. We would have seen Hillary against McCain. The good news is that in 2 years if things haven’t improved we will have the opportunity to get more republicans back into Congress.
Everyone needs to remember that as much as people disliked Palin she had an 80% acceptance rate in Alaska. Bush has around 30% but the democrat majority congress is at 17%. Which says that congress is worse then the president.
Bush got us through 9/11 and there hasn’t been any more terrorist attacks like there was when Clinton was president. So he must have been doing something right.
My, my Babs you sure do sound like a sore loser.
Get over it …
Barb
President-Elect to Hold Presser on Economy Friday
Obama will discuss the U.S. financial challenges ahead of him with his “transition economic advisory board” then field questions from the press for the first time since Tuesday’s victory.
Presser will kick off in Chicago at 2:30 pm ET. Read more details here.
http://thepage.time.com/o.....d-to-meet/
Obama’s Transition Economic Advisory Board members are below and all will participate in tomorrow’s meeting.
David Bonior (Member House of Representatives 1977-2003)
Warren Buffett (Chairman and CEO, Berkshire Hathaway)-will participate via speakerphone
Roel Campos (former SEC Commissioner)
William Daley (Chairman of the Midwest, JP Morgan Chase; Former Secretary, U.S. Dept of Commerce, 1997-2000)
William Donaldson (Former Chairman of the SEC 2003-2005)
Roger Ferguson (President and CEO, TIAA-CREF and former Vice Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve)
Jennifer Granholm (Governor, State of Michigan)
Anne Mulcahy (Chairman and CEO, Xerox)
Richard Parsons (Chairman of the Board, Time Warner)
Penny Pritzker (CEO, Classic Residence by Hyatt)
Robert Reich (University of California, Berkeley; Former Secretary, U.S. Dept of Labor, 1993-1997)
Robert Rubin (Chairman and Director of the Executive Committee, Citigroup; Former Secretary, U.S. Dept of Treasury, 1995-1999)
Eric Schmidt (Chairman and CEO, Google)
Lawrence Summers (Harvard University; Managing Director, D.E. Shaw; Former Secretary, U.S. Dept of Treasury, 1999-2001)
Laura Tyson (Haas School of Business, University of California, Berkeley; Former Chairman, National Economic Council, 1995-1996; Former Chairman, President’s Council of Economic Advisors, 1993-1995)
Antonio Villaraigosa (Mayor, City of Los Angeles)
Paul Volcker (Former Chairman, U.S. Federal Reserve 1979-1987)
Names circulating for Obama’s secretary of the treasury position include (among others):
Timothy Geithner – Geithner helped deal with Wall Street’s financial meltdown earlier this year, overseeing the acquisition of Bear Stearns by JPMorgan Chase and the bailouts of AIG and Lehman Brothers. He was appointed president of the New York Federal Reserve in November 2003.
Lawrence Summers – Summers was appointed treasury secretary in July 1999 and served as the chief economist of the World Bank from 1991 through 1993. Before his career in government, he taught economics at Harvard.
Paul Volcker – Volcker is a former chairman of the Federal Reserve, serving under Presidents Carter and Reagan. He also worked in the private sector as an investment banker and headed the investigation into the United Nations’ oil-for-food program for Iraq.
However, The White House is holding an economic summit November 15 and Obama could delay naming his economic team to avoid interfering with the G-20 summit.
Barb –
You don’t read many of my posts, apparently. But you’re right, I’m generally a sore loser.
Get over it.
Babs
I have to cherish this moment. Liberals are now all saying how they are so proud and love america. At least they have finally come to the conclusion that we Republicans have always had our entire lives and will always have.
its going to be a very painful four years for the dem. party but even more painful for the American people. when the country goes down the toilet dems will still lay blame on Bush.
Friday is going to be rough.
JD,
Last I checked my mother’s name was Kathy, not JD. Tell your children what to do, not me.
The President-elect returned calls to 9 leaders today, thanking them for having called to express congratulations on his election earlier this week. He returned calls to:
1. Prime Minister Rudd of Australia
2. Prime Minister Harper of Canada
3. President Sarkozy of France
4. Chancellor Merkel of Germany
5. Prime Minister Olmert of Israel
6. Prime Minister Aso of Japan
7. President Calderon of Mexico
8. President Lee of South Korea
9. Prime Minister Brown of the United Kingdom
Not only does it look like America is turning the page but so is the world!!!
Kendale – “Tell your children what to do, not me.”
I wasn’t telling you as a child, I was telling you like an adult who doesn’t know how to act.
dreadson – i appreciated your post – even if no one else did.
i think that is funny that most of the non-partisan logic and/or comments are often ignored on this site. someone who has the adacity to say that even the far right and far left really aren’t really all the different and work towards common goals is just ignored. but we continue to bicker about obama’s race and ‘not knowing who obama is’ and meaningless political marketing bs…
i’m with you. i may not agree with everything obama says or does but he will be our president and all we really should be doing is discussing ‘where do go from here’. conservatives – the media has trained you to ‘hate’ liberals. liberals – the media has trained you to ‘hate’ conservatives. can we all agree and move on?
i have a wide range of views and beliefs. non of which ‘fit’ into any one political party. however, i use my own logic and it just happens to be something that ‘those liberals’ have said and my logic is called liberal and quickly dismissed simply because it is ‘a liberal argument’
one of my sisters-in-law told me that if obama is elected – my childred will be raped in front of me (i have 3 kids). not kidding. has anyone read ‘a letter from a christian in obamas 2012 america’ by james dobson.
http://focusfamaction.edg.....letter.pdf
this same sister-in-law ‘loves’ dobson. oh how we ‘hate’ the other side.
sad really.
sorry – the actual name of the letter is:
“Letter from 2012 in Obama’s America”
i meant to check that before i hit ’submit’ but i forgot.
JD said–”As for bill and Kendale, Come on guys, this isn’t your personal chat room. Lets keep it on the topic ”
JD you are a little mixed up. Obama is President. You are not en-powered by association.
JD said–I wasn’t telling you as a child, I was telling you like an adult who doesn’t know how to act.
I happen to know you have gooten into trouble for not knowing how to act. Kindale is acting way above the way you behave. Even now after you have cleaned up your act a little. You being moral judge does not fit.
USA said- “I had given you some credit as being somewhat decent in the past but now I see true colors.”
I saw your true color USA when you was insulting a disabled person that was robbed by, another, of his voting choice. So your dis-pleasure with me means nothing.
I’m glad to see that Obama didn’t pick someone from Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac or AIG to be in on his discussion today about the economy.
swede – “one of my sisters-in-law told me that if obama is elected – my children will be raped in front of me (i have 3 kids). not kidding.”
Two things. One, When my wife went into work on Wednesday right after Obama won, two of her co-workers went up to her and said that because she likes black people so much that she should handle all the black clientele for the day. No kidding.
Second, my brother told me that I should be worried because Obama is going to teach my children about sex at age 5 and that kids are going to be getting pregnant at age 10 if he is elected. No kidding.
This is how I know that the republican side runs off of fear, not all, but most.
Bill – “I happen to know you have gooten into trouble for not knowing how to act.”
I got in trouble because a certain member on here thought I was hitting on them when I live across the country, huge age difference, and have nothing in common except that we both comment on this site, oh and I am married.
But she thought I was(I still don’t know how because I laid on the sarcasm) and I stopped. None the less, I disagree with the way it was handled but, oh well, what can you do.
I felt horrible that she thought for one second that I was harassing her, because that is the last think I would have wanted and she is the last person I would ever be interested in. But I know that a joke can go too far and fast.
I have been a part of countless forums and each one is different. Some people know how to take a joke and others do not, Some people know when they are being hit on and others do not, Some people are more inappropriate and others are not.
But it is site to site and I have learned that this site is PG-13 and there is nothing wrong with that but this is why I have “cleaned” up my act. However, I have not ever said that I wish we killed more Japanese like another member on here said.
I do not apologize for my history and to be honest I was one of the only “Liberals” that could or did at least counter some of the offensive conservatives.
I try to offer news in my posts which for the most part I don’t see from alot of contributing members. I wish I could go back to being my sarcastic a$$ self but it was too much for some people then and it will be too much for some people now.
IN OTHER NEWS – Unemployment Rises to 6.5 Percent
Another 240,000 jobs lost in October — more than the 200,000 expected.
Unemployment rate highest in 14 years. Almost 1.2 million jobs lost for the year.
http://www.marketwatch.co.....dist=msr_1
Also, Babs, you mentioned that your small business was shutting it’s doors in Jan.??? I was curious why this was?
JD –
“Second, my brother told me that I should be worried because Obama is going to teach my children about sex at age 5 and that kids are going to be getting pregnant at age 10 if he is elected. No kidding.’
i guess it is easier to blame our president for our daughters misconduct rather than our own parenting. sad – but i still have to laugh at the absurdity of it all. i also guess everyone will forget how to parent once obama takes office. we will instantly be mindless and know nothing but what comes out of obamas mouth. logic, knowledge, understanding, and common sense will all vanish. there will be one source. obama.
but hey – that is what ‘them conservatives’ have been accusing ‘us liberals’ of for the past few months now so what is new – right? rofl.
Bill Hedges Nov 7th, 2008 at 12:50 am
JD said–I wasn’t telling you as a child, I was telling you like an adult who doesn’t know how to act.
I happen to know you have gooten into trouble for not knowing how to act. Kindale is acting way above the way you behave. Even now after you have cleaned up your act a little. You being moral judge does not fit.
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I have no desire to be your judge. I won’t have you judge me. Think back, can you remember me saying all liberals are……I don’t think so. You’re always saying Conservative are…..Maybe I am wasting my time. You treat people badly. You have at times brought me down to your level.
Your lanuage,a$$, and your sarcaam.. Saying Conservatives are losest form of life (not your words).
Frankly, It is none of my business what you do. Here are a few suggestion
1.Treat each other with respect.
2.Ignore each other and don’t refer to each other.
3.Make foul comments to each other in the dirties ways when we see our comments.
I prefer acting like adults, and not, “doesn’t know how to act”
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You decide
JD all president-elects get congratulations calls from many world leaders. It happens every election. I hate how you do this breaking news crap, noone care how many people called Obama and because they did doesnt mean he is “the one” or that the world is changing either.
OS – “noone care how many people called Obama”
You speak for everyone?
And in other news, it seems Obama’s paid employees are a tad upset:
http://www.wthr.com/globa.....?s=9299280
tsk, tsk.
OS Wrote…
JD all president-elects get congratulations calls from many world leaders. It happens every election. I hate how you do this breaking news crap, noone care how many people called Obama and because they did doesnt mean he is “the one” or that the world is changing either…
I care that Iran’s leader called him. This hasn’t happened in 31 years. I am not saying that it was a good thing, just news, and pretty important news if I may say so myself.
“I am a single white Female American. And we are the most oppressed minority in America.”
I would like to know how you come to the conclusion that single white women are the most oppressed minorities. Or how white are even considered a minority in your view in any kind of way over a Hispanic, black or Asian.
“And I will always believe that if Obama had not run as an African American (went with his 50% white) he would not have gotten voted in.”
Well his appearance would never have let him get away with that. Now i have actually seen mixed people who come out looking white. I’m talking about White skin, blue eyes and curly blonde hair. All they had to do was straighten their hair out and you wouldn’t know the difference. Maybe someone with that appearance could pull off claiming they are white. But you are right. If he tried to claim he was white he would have really looked stupid and lost with those strong dominant African characteristics. There are still some laws on the books claiming that one drop of black blood makes you black.
I never hear much about Bob Marley, Haley Barry or Mariah Carey being White with a little bit of black. They have been hailed by blacks and many black magazines but no one really raises hell or wants to make a strong point that they are really half white. This same case can be made about almost any light complexion black person. White slave owners raped many slaves and some like Thomas Jefferson actually had long relationship with his black maid. None of those offspring are actually black either in comparison but back in those days the offspring was always considered black which is why they made those laws establishing that.
Here’s Neo Nazi Hal Turner comments on the matter.
http://halturnershow.blog.....en-is.html
Historically some Blacks used to try anything they could to NOT be identified with Blacks. They used to claim Native American so they could avoid a lot of the dangerous racism in those days. The mixed race blacks back then would have loved it if the White Race would have accepted them as one of them. But they created laws stating that they were black as well and should be treated as such.If you looked at what was going on at the time you almost couldn’t blame some of the blacks for trying to “pass”. But that didn’t happen. They had no choice BUT to align with the blacks who for the most part saw them as being black. Maybe if Whites weren’t so repulsive of even a drop of black blood and accepted mixed race among their community Obama would have a choice of the matter. But after a few centuries of not accepting them i think it speaks volumes to harp on the half white half of Obama now that he has achieved the highest office. It is nothing more than an attempt to take away the pride that the african americans are having now that Obama is in the white house. Who didn’t see this coming? Some may see this as the whites still claiming another victory.
Maybe his race played a “part” but it is not the only part. There are many slices of the pie which contributed to his success.
“Bush got us through 9/11 and there hasn’t been any more terrorist attacks like there was when Clinton was president. So he must have been doing something right. ”
Actually Bush had lots of Warnings about 9/11 and ignored them if you read the 9/11 commission report. But in his defense i bet many people have disregarded many alarms as being false.
Bill Clinton had an attack when he was only in office for 32 days or so. His fault on Bin Laden was not getting him when he had several opportunities. If you want to make a contrast between Clinton and Bush as if Bush protected us and Clinton didn’t you should look at the policies at the time. Bill Clinton tried to pass his version of a Patriot act. It had most of the same controversial tools that the recent ones had but congress rejected it saying that no one person needs this power. There were other things bill tried to get put in place to help fight terrorism but Congress also accused him of only doing this to divert attention away from the Lewinski scandal. So it isn’t that Black and White.
Dreadsen, white women are considered a minority by obama himself. Check out his civil rights webpage on his change.gov site. ALL women are a minority, no matter what color they are – AND they’ve been the most oppressed according to American History. Black men could vote decades before we could. All men could beat their wives without any fear of recrimination, we were their property. Read your history. Yes, white women are a minority, all women are a minority. obama says so, too.
Babs – “obama says so, too”
Wow, that is a first!!! Hell might have frozen over.
Babs
I am not questioning that women aren’t minorities. I’m questioning the claim that “white women” are the most oppressed minorities. Because that will be highly debatable.
OH by the way. Rev Wright was taking up for white women in his speech with the G*d america.
So now we have Rev Wright and Obama both making the case for women. uh oh…..
Dreadsen, you’ve misinterpreted what I said. I said I am a white woman, and that women are the most oppressed minority. If I didn’t make that clear, that was my point.
I don’t know about Rev. Wright, but while obama might make the concession that women are a minority, he doesn’t address it with his own payroll. Don’t cling to the hope that he will.
Jd
“Wow, that is a first!!! Hell might have frozen over ”
Vulgarity-Lacking of taste and refinement
There you go again
Ignortant