McSame As Bush?

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McSame as Bush? At least 80% like Bush is too similar for this country to risk.

Senator McCain likes to claim that he is different than George W. Bush. However, his record and much of his rhetoric paints a very different picture. Even he disagrees with himself, a very typical problem of his.

If you don’t want to take my word for it, take McCain’s. He is on record saying he is agreeing with President Bush and disagreeing with President Bush:

Further evidence of this can be found all over the Internet, such as this link that provide further comparisons between Bush and McCain. It is clear that a vote for McCain is a vote for a virtual-third term of George W. Bush.

Another example comes from the New York Times. McCain supporters may find this NY Times article surprisingly fair; surprising, because they have been told that the NY Times is a part of the supposedly Liberal Mainstream Media.

As a country, we cannot afford the same policies that reward the wealthy and punish the rest of us. It is a failed policy that diminishes regular Americans’ ability to build their own vision of the American Dream. It follows along with some conservative’s idea that a strong Middle Class is dangerous to the stability of the country.

We run a huge risk by continuing down the path of intellectual laziness. Too many people in this country lack the time and/or the intellectual curiosity to fact check media comments, especially those made by their preferred organizations. This is not an exclusively Republican issue; Democrats suffer from this as well.

However, worse than a large portion of the populace lacking intellectual curiosity is having a President who does. George W. Bush has proven for a long time that he prefers his inner-circle to be “yes men” and makes insular decisions based upon limited information. John McCain is demonstrating a great many of these tendencies as well.

It is critically important that any President is able to hear “that is a bad idea” from one of his or her advisers. It is equally important for any President to seek out opinions, advice and ideas from people who disagree with him or her. Doing otherwise is the “my way or the highway” mindset of the Bush Administration and will be the same mindset of a McCain Administration, should he win.

This same stubborn, insular method of leadership is one of the primary reasons I was opposed to Hillary Clinton being the Democratic Candidate for President.

If you re-visit the speech candidate Bush gave at the Republican National Convention in 2000 with that given by candidate McCain in the RNC in 2008, you will see many of the same promises. The overall messages were virtually identical, with a few minor changes in ideas and policies.

Promising change when you’re at least 80% the same is a false promise and one made exclusively to gain votes from people too busy to check up on the facts.

If you want four more years of almost-exactly-Bush, vote McCain.


PeoplePower is a regular contributor for YouDecide2008.com

  • dale

    PeoplePower, It’s unfortunate that McCain’s in this position
    really. He started out a lot more independent than he’s finishing.
    I saw a great explanation of it that said the McCain brand was
    stronger than the Republican brand, which is why he was able to
    compete despite the opinion of Republicans being so low. Still now
    according to RCP that is the case, but it has been closing
    consistently. I think McCain had the potential to be a lot more
    independent, a lot more “Maverick” than he has. He’s really sold
    his soul to the Republican base but lost a lot of independents
    along the way. It’s really sad to see somebody going back on so
    many of his progressive stances, sometimes I really feel for McCain
    when I see him making some of these contradictory statements. It’s
    unfortunate but the straight talk express really has been off the
    rails.

  • Too many people in this country lack the time and/or the intellectual curiosity to fact check media comments, especially those made by their preferred organizations. This is not an exclusively Republican issue; Democrats suffer from this as well.

    I concur with that sentiment, it’s a shame but I’m betting the average citizen doesn’t even know where to begin if they wanted to fact check what a candidate says.

  • Stalin

    This is for all you jagbags that are voting for Obama because the world loves him.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,445450,00.html

    Are these the kind of friends we want?

  • Bill Hedges

    PEOPLE POWER SAID–As a country, we cannot afford the same policies that reward the wealthy and punish the rest of us. It is a failed policy that diminishes regular Americans’ ability to build their own vision of the American Dream. It follows along with some conservative’s idea that a strong Middle Class is dangerous to the stability of the country…………………………………………………..I would like a expansion on this. What policies.

  • PeoplePower

    Dale – I agree and I’ve said it before. Were McCain the same candidate as he was in 2000, he would be doing much much better right now. Although, I strongly doubt he would have made it through the Republican primary.

    There’s definitely a problem with the Republican platform. They are trying to appeal to both Social Conservatives and Fiscal Conservatives. I think those groups can be very much at odds with each other and often “swallow hard” and vote Republican anyway, mostly because they incorrectly fear the alternative. There’s a lot of evidence that the population does better, as a whole, under Democratic leadership; and there are *plenty* of religious Democrats…they just don’t frequently wear their religion on their shoulder.

    It’s a difficult thing to manage because profits often come at the expense of people and that is contradictary to the views of most Christians. Most Christians are poorly represented by the big “religious” talking heads that support the Republicans. It’s unfortunate, because I believe that *some* of the Republican ideas are very good.

    Stalin – no. I think we need to watch out for idiots abroad just as much as we need to watch out for them here.

    I have a saying that I often use: “I don’t care what color you are, if your gay or straight, old or young, male or female; you may still be a jerk.”

    You can’t classify everyone based upon a single characteristic. Not even based upon a few characteristics. I’m not accusing you of doing that, but we need to constantly remain vigilant with our allies *and* our “enemies” (I put in quotes because it is used much-too loosely, especially in public discourse lately – as is “war” – bad diplomatic tactics all around).

    “Allies” has always been a soft association, even with Britain – we were not always so tight.

    Have you heard the term “soft allies”? Soft allies are the nations who don’t publicly back us, but we have quiet deals with them in order to further our agenda while helping them here or there.

    George H.W. Bush was *extraordinary* at using and maintaining or soft allies. Sadly, his son completely ruined our ability to count on them. I don’t blame George W. Bush alone; his Neocon handlers really are to blame. See my prior comment on the uses of “enemies” and “war” in public discourse – it *really* ties our hands diplomatically.

    And that is one big thing that worries me about McCain. He has sold his soul to the worst elements of the Republican party (the Neocons aren’t even really Republicans – I believe Ron Paul in this regard). I worry he will misuse and lose more of our soft allies and we will be ever more isolated.

    It’s very sad, as Dale has said. If McCain tricks me (and wins) and returns to his true Maverick-y self from 2000 than I think we can be in good shape even with the policies he still has that I disagree with…I will just have to fervently pray that nothing bad happens to him…

  • Bill Hedges

    PEOPLE POWER–In my above comment, at end you talk of failed policy that diminish regular Americans ability to build their own vision of the American Deam…. I was under the impression that most new jobs in America was coming from small bussineses. Are these not middle class Americans that are living the American Dream.

  • PeoplePower

    Bill – though it’s a fairly extensive article, check this out. I think you’ll be surprised by what can only be termed an outright attack on our Democracy by destroying it’s primary participant, the Middle Class.

    http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=64&Itemid=120

    I can’t find it right now, but there is also more information on how conservatives (I think George Will was one) felt that the Middle Class having too much security in their earnings and lives results in too much instability, as they will begin to demand more freedoms and more authority over their government.

    Think of it, if you work 45+ hours per week and spend what little precious time you have with your spouse and children and try desparately to squeeze in a little “unwinding”, what amount of time do you have to watch the government doing its dirty work? And with the media being so fully in bed with corporations and the government, they simply don’t provide enough of a watchdog to protect us.

    We’re cursed by lack of time to *really* watch our government and have full control of their excesses…which we all must do in order to have a truly thriving democracy.

  • Bill Hedges

    PEOPLE POWER–What policies. Please.

  • Bill Hedges

    PEOPLE POWER SAID—Promising change when you’re at least 80% the same is a false promise and one made exclusively to gain votes from people too busy to check up on the facts……………………………………………………..What evidence that shows McCains promises are false promises. What evidence that Obama is not simple promising to get elected.

  • PeoplePower

    Bill – did you read the article? I don’t know the *exact* policies, but certainly the trickle-down theory is one approach that affects the policies.

    As for the promises being false promises – McCain promises to bring change to the White House, Bush promised to bring change to the White House. McCain speaks of needing to fix the healthcare system (or something like that), Bush speaks of the same thing.

    Bush promised a lot of centrist ideas during his 2000 speech at the RNC. They all sounded good, but as we soon found out, his rhetoric sounds good but his real policies are opposite of his promises – like the “Clear Skies” initiative; the result being the sky is clear of birds and healthy air. Or the “no child left behind” – not a bad idea, but because it was a massively under-funded mandate, it really has only created more bureaucracy for the schools with very little actual benefit.

    Political promises indeed are generally put forth as a representation of what the candidate would like to do, if he or she were able to get everything done that they want to.

    As we all know, most promises made in a campaign cannot be fully put into place because the President is not a dictator who can completely control the direction of the country – which is a *very* good thing (though, I submit Bush has tried to be one with more signing statements than every President before him in history *combined*).

    The problem I see with McCain is that in comparing his promises to Bush’s of 2000, you see very much the same direction for the country – so, no change from Bush (or little change).

    On the other hand, the promises made by Obama *are* largely different from Bush’s.

    So, compare the two sets of promises, especially with Bush’s and you can see which candidate truly is the candidate of change; and which one is McSame…

  • Bill Hedges

    PEOPLE POWER–I am asking questions of your article. Articles should be based on factual inforation to a higher degree than comments. Nate seems to give data when asked about his articles. 1. Comparing Bush to McCain does not make McCain’s promises false. They are two individual people. I strongly disagree as unfair. 2. You failed to answer question on Americam Dream. My point being most jobs in American in recent years came from small bussines. Buineses started by middle class.My opionion you are wrong on that point..3. Policies- your response was acceptable, althoughsmall business giving America most new job does challenge that.

  • PeoplePower

    Bill – let me address your issues as best I understand your questions:

    1. You’re right. McCain’s promises are not false *because* they are very similar to Bush’s. I think they’re as “false” as any politician’s promises (including Obama’s), which is what I meant above while talking about all promises are a “description of the direction”.

    The argument is not about the promises. It is about the change represented by them.

    If the promises made by a politician describe the direction they want to take the country, which they do, then that is a good gauge to discuss differences and similarities between two candidates.

    As such, since Bush’s and McCain’s promises lead to a very similar direction (not *exactly* the same, but too close for comfort) than one can say McCain is *like* Bush, perhaps 80% or higher.

    2. Small businesses have done okay under Republican leadership, but I think they’ve done as well or better under Democratic leadership. But small businesses are not the only means by which the American Dream can be achieved – or is that your view of the American Dream (owning your own business)?

    Most new jobs do come from small businesses. At least, it seems, we’ve been all led to believe that; and I have no reason to doubt it.

    Like the “medical records” thing, I think we’re not necessarily envisioning the American Dream the same – my view of it is the stereotypical house in the suburbs, 2.5 kids and a dog. 😉 Basically, owning your own home, having enough comfort and security in your life (financial and otherwise) to spend time raising your kids, enjoying the favorite things in your life, volunteering time to worthy causes and still being active in the Democracy – a vital part of our lives.

    What is your view of the American Dream?

    3. Not sure there’s a point to argue here any longer, though I’d like to understand how you’re saying small businesses providing the most jobs challenges my previous point. Could you expand on that further please?

  • Bill Hedges

    PEOPLE POWER 1. If you are saying Obama and McCain are giving false promises. Then please correct you article. 2. P/P SAID.. As such, since Bush’s and McCain’s promises lead to a very similar direction (not *exactly* the same, but too close for comfort) than one can say McCain is *like* Bush, perhaps 80% or higher.. You are using Bush again. Bush did not promise to veto all pork added bills. Bush did not increase oil drilling, nuclear power plant, etc. McCain is his own man. If Obama gets elected you will be seeing him doing some Bush stuff. But that does not make Obama the same as Bush. 3. Your comments were saying there was no American Dream, not a quote. There is small business growth and American Dream was well, untill recession. 4. Thanks to sub-prime, more people have more homes for those in lower income…..There were errors or say open gaps in the article. I wanted clarity since McCain was smashed without evidence. You now say Obama name should have been next to McCains. If it had, I would not have questions you. Like the medical records, I wanted you to be fair.

  • Bill Hedges

    P/P Will answer you last paragraph. Middle class was living the American dream with their small business. Which provides jobs for others. Who can fulfill their Americam dream

  • Bill Hedges

    This process is called,,,Reganomics

  • Bill Hedges

    P/P =Your quote—PEOPLE POWER SAID–As a country, we cannot afford the same policies that reward the wealthy and punish the rest of us. It is a failed policy that diminishes regular Americans’ ability to build their own vision of the American Dream. It follows along with country………………………………………………………In comments you said. Small businesses have done okay under Republican leadership, but I think they’ve done as well or better under Democratic leadership………………………………………………….When your two statements are put together, You can see your article was harsh and unfair.With worse in quote below…………………………………………………………..You said,,some conservative’s idea that a strong Middle Class is dangerous to the stability of the country

  • PeoplePower

    Bill – that’s a lot to process…

    The Middle Class has not evaporated under Reaganomics, but that is the spearhead of the movement to eliminate, or greatly weaken, it. I’ll try to dig around for the exact policy direction being pushed for by conservatives to answer it better. I just don’t have time to do it now, as I am preparing for trick-or-treaters…

    No, I think politicians tend to promise the sun, the moon and the stars; both in an effort to win votes *and* to demonstrate the direction they want to take the country. In that, Obama, Bush & McCain can all be put in the same breath; as well as Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Reagan, etc. etc. I think *most* reasonable/rational voters understand that no politician can deliver on every promise made.

    What I *am* saying is the importance of the second part of a politician’s promises – it *demonstrates* the direction they want to take the country. In that, Bush and McCain have very similar agendas. Not *exactly* similar, but *very* similar. Get it? 80% is a reasonable ballpark of that similarity.

    Bill, is this the last paragraph you refer to:

    “4. Thanks to sub-prime, more people have more homes for those in lower income…..There were errors or say open gaps in the article. I wanted clarity since McCain was smashed without evidence. You now say Obama name should have been next to McCains. If it had, I would not have questions you. Like the medical records, I wanted you to be fair. ”

    As such sub-prime lending, and other lending practices, did help to put more people in houses. This is true. However, it did not help establish the stability and security needed to achieve the American Dream. For that to occur, solid-waged jobs need to be available and a better healthcare system provided, such that people aren’t crippled by “pre-existing conditions” or losing their job and going w/o insurance or paying the brutality that is COBRA (which I’m presently on).

    I don’t expect that people should be given handouts to achieve the American Dream. But I do believe that we need to focus on protecting the American Worker OVER corporate profits. We *need* to returning the manufacturing base to this country. The garbage being sold to us by Chinese manufacturers (and I’m sure others) is dangerous and bad for all of us.

    I have seen, or read about, far too many incidents with Chinese products. I am now doing my utmost to find American made on a more regular basis because of this, which is *very* hard to do nowadays!

    A case in point – before I completely soured on “Made in China”, I purchased a new DVD shelf from Target. It was not pre-built, but it was pre-fab (I had to assemble it myself).

    Well, I was tightening a screw for the door fastener and it broke!! I was very surprised. I’ve *never* had any fastener break on my like that before; but then, I usually don’t buy inexpensive pre-fab stuff. I would be shocked if an American Made screw were to break under torque a person could apply…

    Now, this may seem silly, but if you magnify this out, the parts in our cars are now being manufactured in China. I think they might even be making parts for our military machinery (spare bolts/nuts/etc. for our tanks).

    How insane is that?!?!

    It is Reaganomics that created the drain of manufacturing from our country and it is the drain of manufacturing from our country that eliminated a great many well-paying Middle Class jobs. NAFTA was a further nail in the coffin…as is any other “Free Trade” deal we make.

    Throw in the food situation and now we’re looking at even poorer quality, but now it’s being directly injested into our bodies. It’s killing babies in China and, thankfully, was prevented from coming here before it started killing them here!

    This is what happens when de-regulation is the primary policy. Sure, companies’ profits can soar under this, but it is hardly good for the overall country.

    Unless, of course, you believe in an Aristocracy class with a great many of Serfs and Peasants doing all of the dirty work. In that case, the trickle-down theory is magnificent…

    Here’s a link to GW Bush’s 2000 campaign promises:

    http://quest.cjonline.com/stories/110500/gen_1105006587.shtml

    Note that he *does* call for more drilling in ANWAR.

    But, like I said, I don’t have time right now to dig into every single comparison.

    Bill, *do* note that I said that not *every* issue is exactly the same. Look at the campaign direction based upon promises, and you see a fairly standard, lean-to-the-right Republican agenda.

    Most certainly, there are some things about McCain I like. He is not a 100% Bush-clone. Those small policy differences are good things; I just wish there were more of them or that we were truly seeing the McCain of 2000…

  • Bill Hedges

    P/P- Taxes can’t be raised now. Not in recrssion. Economicially un-sound. No matter what Obama say. I am not being politically on this…..Lower coperate tax spurs business growth. Was proven by Reagan. We now how one of the highest. Same for capital gains…Seriously, McCain is differnt enough not to be in the mix you keep putting him in. Kerry wanted him as V.P. ..I agree candidates promise the moon. Obama is said to be at $120,000 now for tax increase. Yes I agree about sub-primme. It was a bad joke. Dodd, Frank, and Obama was invovled in that horrible loan plan. With ACORN…WalMark use to be American made products….Starting with Carter, then expanding under Clinton, Sub-prime started the ruin of our market. Causing our mess today…NAFTA WAS CLINTON..Whrn you startrf on de-regulation you lost mr….You have to drill in Alaska. If we don;t we will not have enough oil and will stop the pipe line. Losing 25% of America’s oil…I took my sleeping pills, so my Politics are not sharp now. I had to do this running reply to answer you remarks…I’ll be going to bed soon