Obama’s 30-minute TV ad aired (Video Added)

The 30-minute “infomercial” of sorts, produced by the Obama campaign, will be airing tonight on several networks. Rumors are abound as to what it might contain. Some are questioning that it could include former President Bill Clinton on stage with Obama, making the case for him. We’ll see later tonight.

Report on it from Fox News:

Barack Obama plans to air a 30-minute commercial Wednesday at 8 p.m. ET on three major networks, as well as smaller outlets.

Coming just six days before Election Day, the purchase is one of the largest ad buys in election history. It will saturate the airwaves, even delaying the continuation of the fifth game of the rain-delayed World Series.

The Obama team bought time on CBS, NBC and FOX for about $1 million per network. The infomercial will also run on Univision, BET, MSNBC and TV One.

Flush with cash after record-shattering fundraising gained in part by reversing his vow to accept public financing, Obama has a huge financial edge in the last week of the campaign, having raised more than $600 million, including $150 million in September alone. Republican rival John McCain’s campaign is relying on federal funding of about $84 million for the entire period between the Sept. 1-4 Republican convention and Election Day, Nov. 4.

In the ad blitz, the Democratic presidential candidate will focus in part on real voters’ stories. Other political figures will make an appearance and the ad buy will dip into a live rally from Sunrise, Fla.

According to Advertising Age, Obama is on track to spend more on TV ads in the last 25 days of the race than McCain’s entire campaign.

I’m sure the full thing will be available once it airs if you’re so inclined to watch it. We’ll update here later tonight.


Article from Politico on whether Obama’s TV commercial is good strategy or overkill?

(Oct. 29) – Barack Obama will go on national television tonight and air a 30-minute infomercial about himself and his presidential campaign.
Several political image makers, both Republicans and Democrats, say it’s a smart move. But is there a risk of excess in it, as well?

While Obama hasn’t made many strategic mistakes in his campaign against Republican John McCain, he has, on occasion, shown a weakness for extravagance.

In July, Obama’s visits to Afghanistan and Iraq generated comforting images of the senator with military leaders and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. But his trip ended in Berlin with an image of 200,000 fans, mostly Europeans, chanting Obama’s name.

In August, his campaign navigated the minefield of the Democratic Party’s feuding families to pull off a convention that began healing the wounds between the Clinton and Obama camps. Then it came to its conclusion between two Greek columns where a triumphant Obama delivered an acceptance speech to a football stadium crowd of more than 80,000.

Today, Obama is dominating the television ad wars. As of Oct. 22, Obama placed 150% more ads than McCain in Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia, according to the Nielsen Co.

Despite all that, and despite his lead in national and most battleground polls, the campaign decided to plunk down between $3 and $5 million to buy half-hour blocks of time at 8 p.m. tonight on NBC, CBS, Fox, Univision, BET, MSNBC and TV One for delivery of his final argument to the voters.

Could it seem to some voters like overkill?

Republican political strategist Alex Castellanos says that it might. But even his advice is to go for it. “It’s like football,” says Castellanos. “People may complain that a team is running up the score, but that team is still the one that wins.”

If anything, this won’t hurt him, unless the whole thing comes off bad or the live portion goes horribly wrong. Though I can’t see that happening since this will be the most scripted, tightly controlled broadcast they’ve ever done, I’m sure.

Stay tuned for analysis once it airs later…


Here’s the entire 30 minutes of the Obamammercial, as it aired on FOX, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, UniVision, BET, and TV One:

Sound off.. were you moved one way or another?


The Associated Press has done a fact check on Obama’s half-hour ad, here’s some of the report:

WASHINGTON – Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was less than upfront in his half-hour commercial Wednesday night about the costs of his programs and the crushing budget pressures he would face in office.

Obama’s assertion that “I’ve offered spending cuts above and beyond” the expense of his promises is accepted only by his partisans. His vow to save money by “eliminating programs that don’t work” masks his failure throughout the campaign to specify what those programs are — beyond the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

A sampling of what voters heard in the ad, and what he didn’t tell them:

THE SPIN: “That’s why my health care plan includes improving information technology, requires coverage for preventive care and pre-existing conditions and lowers health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a year.”

THE FACTS: His plan does not lower premiums by $2,500, or any set amount. Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic medical records and by improving access to proven disease management programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses an optimistic analysis to suggest cost reductions in national health care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but even if they are, it’s not a certainty that every dollar would be passed on to consumers in the form of lower premiums.

THE SPIN: “I’ve offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost.”

THE FACTS: Independent analysts say both Obama and Republican John McCain would deepen the deficit. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Obama’s policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years — and that analysis accepts the savings he claims from spending cuts. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign, says: “Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years.” The analysis goes on to say: “Neither candidate’s plan would significantly increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases that the campaigns have not specified.”

THE SPIN: “Here’s what I’ll do. Cut taxes for every working family making less than $200,000 a year. Give businesses a tax credit for every new employee that they hire right here in the U.S. over the next two years and eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. Help homeowners who are making a good faith effort to pay their mortgages, by freezing foreclosures for 90 days. And just like after 9-11, we’ll provide low-cost loans to help small businesses pay their workers and keep their doors open. ”

THE FACTS: His proposals — the tax cuts, the low-cost loans, the $15 billion a year he promises for alternative energy, and more — cost money, and the country could be facing a record $1 trillion deficit next year. Indeed, Obama recently acknowledged — although not in his commercial — that: “The next president will have to scale back his agenda and some of his proposals.”

There are many more things they delve into, you can read the rest here if you’d like.

  • JD

    Obama campaign says it will present “the specifics of Obama’s plans to turn the economy around and get the country back on track.” Will include a live segment of Obama in Florida.

    Axelrod: “He’ll be able to give greater details about where he wants to lead.”

    Also expected to include testimonials from prominent figures in both parties.

  • I am deeply saddened that so many Americans feel that they can vote for a man who supports this.

  • Stalin

    Must be nice to have so much money that you can spend over 5 million dollars in one day…Oh that’s right he lied about taking taking federal campaign funds. I’m sure the Obama minions have an excuse for that one too.

  • Babs

    Yeah, what Stalin said. 😉

    Out today:


  • JD

    As a Minion, let me just say that his campaign has been funded with over 3 million donars and so many, in fact, that the FEC is looking to revamp thier process so in the future they can better handle this new way of donating.

    The internet has revolutionized the election process.

    I would argue that his campaign is funded by the public.

    But to be honest there is no way of convincing any of the staunch republicans on this site of this.

    The only thing I can say is that it is funny how much some of you claimed you hated McCain when he took the GOP ticket over Romney or Paul but are now in a love afair with the guy.

  • Stalin


    Thank you for provided the excuse I was looking for. You are a good Minion

  • DJS

    This is one way he got all his money.

    “The Obama team’s disclosures came in response to questions from The Washington Post about the case of Mary T. Biskup, a retired insurance manager from Manchester, Mo., who turned up on Obama’s FEC reports as having donated $174,800 to the campaign. Contributors are limited to giving $2,300 for the general election.

    Biskup, who had scores of Obama contributions attributed to her, said in an interview that she never donated to the candidate. “That’s an error,” she said. Moreover, she added, her credit card was never billed for the donations, meaning someone appropriated her name and made the contributions with another card.

    When asked whether the campaign takes steps to verify whether a donor’s name matches the name on the credit card used to make a payment, Obama’s campaign replied in an e-mail: “Name-matching is not a standard check conducted or made available in the credit card processing industry. We believe Visa and MasterCard do not even have the ability to do this.”

    And they also take prepaid cards so anyone can go into a 7-11 and purchase a card then go on line and donate.

    Stalin..I’m with you. He lied, what else is he lying about? I for one will not waste my time watching him on national tv for a 1/2 lying to the American citizens. Besides the reruns will be on every day until the election.

    Although I can’t help but wonder if he is going to talk about the people not being taxed if they make less than $250,000 or $150,000. Or didn’t Biden say $200,000 yesterday. So Obama which is it. Do you think you could make up your mind.

    And they complained about Palin’s $150,000 clothes. How much of a waste is this 1/2 hour $5+M horse and pony show? I guess the Obama fans feel it is necessary so they can bow down to their Messiah for 1/2 hour.

  • Campaign finances in this country are completely out of control. It has been for quite some years now– although I have to say this is the first in a long time for a Democratic contender. I think it is better to re-examine the system and point out faults in it, rather than single out a person in this contemporary setting.

  • Babs

    “When asked whether the campaign takes steps to verify whether a donor’s name matches the name on the credit card used to make a payment, Obama’s campaign replied in an e-mail: “Name-matching is not a standard check conducted or made available in the credit card processing industry. We believe Visa and MasterCard do not even have the ability to do this.”

    Actually, this has come up in other reports in recent days. There is a system in place, and both Hillary Clinton and John McCain use the system – Obama voluntarily does not.

  • the_don

    If the tables were turned and Mccain got the same donations Babs, DJS, Stalin and the rest would be defending him.

    Nate, I can’t believe you haven’t gone crazy after reading all this dribble people post here. I mean seriously, what ever happened to making your choice off of what actually comes out of the mouths of candidates and not the propaganda that infests the air waves. Oh and by the way I voted Mccain. So don’t say that im an Obama fan because im not, im just not so narrow minded and childish that i need fox news to make up my mind for me.


  • Babs

    Well, well, I’ll bet we see a lot of the people on this guest list start getting calls for interviews:

    October 29th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
    Khalidi Tape News: The Guest List
    Politics | Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:12:45 am PDT

    A PUMA blog has done some good investigative work, and pieced together a verified guest list for that party for Rashid Khalidi: The Khalidi Tape: Putting the Bits and Pieces Together with New Details.

    Verified Information

    Burbank Manor, 6312 W 79th St., Burbank, Illinois

    Friday, August 1, 2003
    6pm – Reception
    7pm – Dinner and Reception

    Those who attended:
    1. AAAN (Arab American Action Network)
    2. Not In My Name
    3. Ali Abunimah (a Palestinian rights activist in Chicago who helps run Electronic Intifada, who met Obama in 2000)
    4. Bernadine Dorhn and Bill Ayers
    5. Barack Obama
    6. Mayor of Chicago Richard Daley
    7. Rashid Khalidi
    8. Mona Khalidi
    9. Gihad Ali, a Palestinian spoken word poet
    10. NPR Worldview host Jerome McDonnell (not McDonald as written in the e-mail)
    11. Camilia Odeh (director of SWYC Southwest Youth Collaborative)
    12. Sanabel debka troupe (traditional Palestinian dance group)
    13. Hatem Abudayyeh
    14. Others – Up to 50 to 500 guests


  • Bill Hedges

    Babs- And Obama will continue receiving 80 % of jewish vote

  • susan

    I feel sad to hear of any American who is proud they voted for McCain because your country will crash and burn,if elected and you will live to regret it like BUSH,The world cold careless about America anymore,the problem is when you sink so do the rest of us.America has no respect,or standing in the world any longer because of such careless judgement and your desperate need for a white President.A McCain/Palin ticket is a sure case of the blind leading the blind,both inept.The whole wide world can see this,Why can you not.Frankly speaking most countries would feel privliged to have a leader such as Obama,I know I would,and I am white.

  • Bill Hedges

    Susan- why will my country crash and burn if AMERICANS ELECTS MCCAIN ? America knows McCain. The WORLD does not elect our President. You can speak for yourself. You can not speak for the world. Who said the race for President is the color of the skin. The race is over issues and trust AND IS best for America. Since you say you speak for the WORLD, bring Obama to your Country and put him in charge there if he loses.

  • Graham

    There is no proof at all that Obama accepting funding from the FEC.

    Here is a good article by the LA Times on the issue:


    I do however agree that there should be some way to regulate the amount of money actually given by each contributor.

    Also a great site to go to is http://www.snopes.com

    They’re one of the most respected de-bunking sites on the internet. Check out their list of Obama and see what is really true and false from an unbiased source.

  • Babs

    ” feel sad to hear of any American who is proud they voted for McCain because your country will crash and burn,if elected and you will live to regret it like BUSH”

    Be very careful, susan. Statements like this in our country can be considered “terroristic threats” since 9/11, people have been prosecuted for saying less.

  • Voo Doo FIre

    sorry CURLY


    The Truth:

    The YouTube video in question includes a number of virulent opponents of abortion, with much of the testimony coming from a woman who also works to fund efforts in Africa to scare people away from using condoms to stop the spread of AIDS. And this entire attack was pushed by a member of John McCain’s advisory board.

    Barack Obama is pro-choice. One version of the legislation in question threatened the standing abortion laws in the state, while others were bundled with other provisions that created liability for doctors, designed to intimidate doctors and make it more difficult to perform legal procedures. So Barack Obama opposed it for that reason, not because of any result on babies born alive.

    The legislation was designed to be a “wedge” legislation that would have no effect on medical procedures, designed just for these sorts of attacks. The Illinois legislature, after Barack Obama left to take his US Senate seat, passed a law that explicitly said it wouldn’t affect existing Illinois law on choice. Barack Obama has said he would’ve supported that law. When a group does this, they put one horrible provision (the “infanticide”) part of the bill and package it with a bunch of other provisions that assault a woman’s right to choose. Then, when someone votes against the bill to protect that right, they say the vote was over the “infanticide.”

    This attack is nothing more than a political hit job by supporters of John McCain. It’s time we moved past trying to use issues like this to divide us and start figuring out how we can work together to rebuild our politics in this country.

  • Pats

    Curly, I watched the clip you posted and it’s really pathetic for anyone to support such act. As a Christian myself, I detest any body who support or/and defend such act. But, I’ll prefer that person to someone who take arms, guns, aeroplanes and go out to kill people for a living. THis person does not only support but does the act and live on that act. This is what soldiers do.
    All the weapons they carry are not to hunt animals for food, but to hunt his/her fellow human beings. “THou shall not kill”.

  • EricF

    so the official line just dropped from $250,000 to $200,000 for working families. he just said it himself. wow! by the time he gets in office (if elected) the line will drop to $100,000, maybe lower. lol. too funny. keep drinking the koooooool-aid!

  • Graham

    Here is a breakdown of both Obama’s and McCain’s tax policies from a non-partisan source.


  • Bill Hedges

    Graham–There is a problem with plans. Bill Clinton planned to cut taxes , instead he raised. Same for Father Bush. Obama Senate record he raised taxes. Can we believ Obama’s promises.. One thing for sure, Obama added nearly $1 million dollars a day in PORK.. for all of McCain’s caree, $ ZERO PORK. McCain can not out promise Obama. McCain is real, freeze government spending and veto all pork and name those that add PORK.

  • Mom

    Non-Partisan source – YEAH RIGHT!

    The Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.03% of Income Taxes with the top 5% paying 53.25% of all income taxes.

    If you work hard and earn your money why should you have to give over half of it back to the government? How can you reduce taxes on people who are barely paying taxes? Why should those not paying taxes get a tax rebate?

    If all the Joe the Plumber’s strive to do better for themselves or their family they better vote for Mccain.

    A Restaurant Tax Story (Explaining Tax Cuts)

    by Victor Boc – Radio Host

    posted on this site on 04/14/07

    A Restaurant Tax Story (as told on his radio show)

    Every day, ten men went to a restaurant for dinner. They always ordered the same meals, and the bill for their food always came to exactly $100.00. They did this day after day, year after year, without variation.

    They did not divide the cost of the bill up equally among them, however. Since some of the men were more wealthy than others, they all agreed that an equal split would be unfair to those with less money. So, the men decided to pay the bill in precisely the same way we all pay our income taxes.

    * The first four men paid nothing at all. They ate for free.
    * The fifth man paid $1.00;
    * the sixth paid $3.00;
    * the seventh paid $7.00;
    * the eighth paid $12.00;
    * the ninth paid $18.00.
    * And the tenth man, who was by far the richest of them, paid exactly $59.00, which was most of the $100.00 bill. He didn’t mind, however, since he could afford to pay that amount.

    All was well. The ten men were happy with this arrangement, and they continued to eat at the restaurant every single day, enjoying their time together.

    Then one day… the owner of the restaurant threw them a curve. As they stood at the counter to pay their bill, he announced that he would reduce the cost of the meals for them. “Since you are all such great customers, and I am so appreciative of your business,” he said, “I am going to reduce the total bill for your meals by $20.00. From now on, your ten dinners will cost you only $80.00.” The men were pleased. But the situation did present a problem.

    How were they to divvy up the savings among them? Obviously, they could not simply credit $2.00 (one-tenth of the $20.00 savings) to each of the ten men, since that would mean that the first four men would actually be getting paid $2.00 to eat! No good.

    It only seemed fair that the first four men, who paid nothing to begin with, should likewise not get any of this $20.00 refund. But still, there was a problem. If they now divided the $20.00 savings among the remaining six men, that would be $3.33 per man. If that amount were subtracted from each man’s payment, then the fifth man and sixth man, who had been paying $1.00 and $3.00 respectively, would then be getting paid to eat. That wouldn’t work, either. No, the solution to this problem required some ingenuity.

    Just then, the restaurant owner, who had been listening to the discussion, interrupted. He offered a solution. He suggested that the fairest way to settle this dilemma would be to reduce each man’s bill by the same proportion as he had been paying in the first place. The owner walked over to his calculator and figured out the amounts each man should pay. And so it was agreed.

    * The fifth man, instead of paying $1.00, now paid nothing, just like the first four men had always done.
    * The sixth man paid $2.00 (reduced from $3.00);
    * the seventh paid $5.00 (reduced from $7.00);
    * the eighth paid $9.00 (reduced from $12.00);
    * the ninth paid $12.00 (reduced from $18.00).
    * This left the tenth man with a bill of $52.00, instead of his previous bill of $59.00.

    The men paid their bill according to this arrangement, and they left the restaurant, satisfied. Outside the restaurant, however, the men began to compare their savings.

    * The sixth man started complaining. “I only got one dollar out of the $20.00 savings. That’s not much,” he said. He pointed to the tenth man and declared, “And he got $7.00. What gives? That’s not fair. He’s rich. He doesn’t need the money. Why did he get $7.00, when I only got $1.00?”
    * “Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that the rich guy got seven times more than I did! I surely have a much greater need for money the he does.”
    * “That’s true,” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get back $7.00, when I got back only $2.00? That stinks! The wealthy get all the breaks. The rich just get richer.”
    * “Wait a minute!” yelled the first four men in unison. “We didn’t get anything at all. Not one stinking cent! The rich fellow, who drives here every day in a Lexus, got $7.00, and we all take public transit to this restaurant, and we got nothing at all. This system exploits the poor.”

    With that, the men became angry. “And I lost everything,” said one of the four. “My wife left me, my daughter is in the hospital, and I can’t get work. I could sure use a break. Instead, I got not one lousy penny of the $20.00, and I have to watch this guy who’s filthy rich take $7.00 of it! I won’t stand for it!”

    The nine men surrounded the tenth. Their anger mounted as they continued to express their resentment at what they thought was a supreme injustice. Finally, they lost control of their senses. They beat up the tenth man. They left him bloody in the street, and they went home.

    The next day, the tenth man did not show up for their regular dinner. The nine men sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something: they were $52.00 short! Needless to say, that was the last time those men ever ate at that restaurant.

    I wish I could say that these nine men learned a valuable lesson, that they came to understand the principle upon which a tax cut is based. But they didn’t. They were too stupid to understand.

  • Graham

    The source is the Tax Policy Center… how is that partisan?

  • JD

    well, I missed the show 🙁


  • Bill Hedges

    Mom- Your Right…Clinton raised taxes on yaults. Tax collected failed. Boats were not being bought. Don’t kill the goose laying the golden eggs.

  • We are all in trouble if Obama wins because first of all the president cannot do anything in Washington. Remember Hilary was for Universal Health Care? That never went anywhere either. If Obama gets into the White House, we will never be get any respect by the other powers in the world as he will just talk to them like every other minister I know and make them feel good as they are pushing those buttons to blow us up. He will spend the next 3 1/2 years running for re-election so he will never be there either.

  • Mom

    The website you directed the readers to was not the Tax Policy Center it was examiner.com and the only requirements, per the website to be an examiner is – If you can write three concise, timely and relevant posts each week in your topic of choice -come join us… The data is correct but the blog on Joe the plumber is not. If you intent was to inform people and be non- partisan why did you not direct people to read the information on the Tax Policy Center website?

  • Bill Hedges

    Mom- Good digging.

  • Hmmm

    CURLY: Did you know that it is against the law for hospitals to not offer care to an infant who survives abortion? Somehow I’m not believing all of this because that would mean the the hospitals mentioned would be telling on themselves.

    STALIN: The only reason McCain decided to take that money is because he didn’t want to end up going broke on his campaign…AGAIN. So what if Obama uses donated funds. Would you rather he uses yours? You don’t support him. I think what makes M supporters so mad is the fact that he was able to raise millions of dollars in donations, between 15 and 200 dollars’ per person,in the first place. I’d say that is one heck of a show of support, wouldn’t you?

    JD: Unfortunatly these aren’t staunch Republicans, these are McCain boot-lickers. They can’t see past the BS. I’m an independent so political teams mean little to me. Let me ask you M b-ls something…If McCain can’t run an election, how can he run a country? Oh and by the way, this is the second election he has jacked up…remember the Straight Broke Express?

    DJS: Your comment reminds me of a game of telephone. By the time the info really comes out it’s rediculously distorted. I would like to see this article you are talking about. Sorry but I refuse to take the words of someone commenting on here at face value.

    the_don: Intelligence strikes again. Thank you. I have said it before and now I will say it again, read what is written on their page and what they say on t.v. and use that as your primary source of info. If you can, find out about their history. But please don’t take off with biased views of the media reguardless of whose side they are on. A candidate cannot argue with what is written. If they do they shouldn’t be trusted. Thank you again DJS I respect your vote and applaud HOW you came to your decision, even though I will vote for Obama.

  • Graham

    If you would like to read the 45 page Tax Policy Center report then be my guest:


    The info is all over the internet, just in condensed forms

  • Hmmm

    BABS: Here’s a thought….Khalidi is a Columbia University professor does that mean that his students, education board members, and fellow professors looking for a career in politics are corrupt? Be careful with assumtions of associations. I’m sure not everyone you come into contact with is morally and politically sound. It’s still speculation if Obama had anything to do with Khalidi, but even if he did, does that make him suspect? I think not.

  • Bill Hedges

    Hmmmmmm–If Khalidi baby sit Obama children, would that mean Obama kind of knew the guy.

  • Stalin


    My point is that Obama lied about accepting federal funds. He said that if McCain took federal funds that he would do the same. He did a bait and switch.



  • Del Carmen

    For all the negative commentors. “We got you where we want you” isn’t that what HE said. Thanks for watching the commerical!!! It was meant for you, we already believe in Obama and didn’t need the commerical but it was still intellegently put together.

  • Not McCain

    It’s amazing that people are trying to attack Barack Obama’s character based on how much money has been donated to his campaign when Sarah Palin spent 150,000 dollars on clothing, accessories, hair-do’s and pacifiers in less than a month. Yeah, sure, she’s totally your typical, American soccer mom….

    If you read anything at all you will know that people are registering to vote in record numbers for this historic election and feel extremely passionate about the issues.

    It’s really simple: Hundreds of millions of people who want change + passion for the candidate = record campaign donations.

    the_don is completely correct, if McCain had the same support that Obama does and was able to raise record sums of money you guys would defend any criticism related to it.

  • Stalin

    Crap, I just wrote a whole response to the video and it didn’t post.

    In short, I thought it was a piece of crap. He wasted $5M of donor money and it will not change the race. All I saw in the video was a bunch of whiners who are looking for a government handout. Suck it up, government is not the answer. We don’t live in cold war Russia. Everyone goes though rough times, take care of yourself and stop looking for other people to solve your problems. That was just depressing.

  • dale


    The original Egyptian from the book of dead is “I Have Not Killed”, I think maybe there’s something about it in the Bible too.

    Christian support of war shows just how much influence major church leaders have over their congregations as opposed to the actual teachings of Jesus. In turn it shows how much power politicians have over church leaders and in turn, how much influence business leaders and banks that profit hugely from war have over politicians.

    Mom: I loved your dinner/tax story, truly a great yarn. However, any parallel to the current situation is just plain wrong.

    To use your analogy, image the discount was $5, rather than $20, and instead of being split, it was simply all given to the richest man. Now imagine that for whatever reason, say, a couple of idiotic wars over fried rice occurred, it became necessary for the individual contributions to return to their previous levels, and rich man had to pay $5 more again.

    That is what is happening, nobody is getting beaten and left for dead, least of Wall Street bankers and oil company executives.

  • Voo Doo FIre

    Obama is going heal the country and heal the world he is a Illuminating Leader and soon to be our President so you guys better get used to it !

  • Stalin


    Here we go with the Christian bashing. You’re right, we Christians sit in church and vote on which countries we should attack next. Get a grip. Christians are the largest contributors to charity on the planet.

  • dale


    Once again you show your complete lack of research or understanding. By what possible rationale can somebody who doesn’t even understand an issue comment on it so strongly?
    Below $200,000 get a cut, 200k – 250k, no change. Above 250k, back to the same as under Reagan and Clinton. Get it now? Obama’s plan hasn’t changed, but perhaps, just perhaps your understanding may now have.

    Just a quick note, you hear a lot that Bush cut the tax rate and revenues went up by 20%, and this IS true. What they don’t tell you is that there is NO ACCOUNTING FOR INFLATION in this math. The reality is that all measures that account for actual changes in proper terms, went down. Measures like %GDP growth, budget surplus, foreign debt(up, in this case, but still, of course, the wrong direction), %job growth, HDI, the list goes on and on and on…

    Cutting the tax rate had no positive effects, it was a failed experiment, and it will be undone, like all failed political experiments should be.


    The original Egyptian from the book of dead is “I Have Not Killed”, I think maybe there’s something about it in the Bible too.

    Christian support of war shows just how much influence major church leaders have over their congregations as opposed to the actual teachings of Jesus. In turn it shows how much power politicians have over church leaders and in turn, how much influence business leaders and banks that profit hugely from war have over politicians.

    Mom: I loved your dinner/tax story, truly a great yarn. However, any parallel to the current situation is just plain wrong.

    To use your analogy, imagine the discount was $5, rather than $20, and instead of being split, it was simply all given to the richest man. Now imagine that for whatever reason, say, a couple of idiotic wars over fried rice occurred and some soft drink companies collapsed, so it became necessary for the individual contributions to return to their previous levels, and the rich man had to pay $5 more again.

    That is what is happening, nobody is getting beaten and left for dead, least of Wall Street bankers and oil company executives, and most importantly, YOU.

  • dale


    I don’t disagree at all, some great things are done by Christians.

    That doesn’t mean you should support war when it’s SPECIFICALLY AGAINST YOUR RELIGION!

  • “Christians are the largest contributors to charity on the planet.”

    Sound nice Stalin, but flawed. Here we have Christians unwilling to help the poor and needy in their own country by taxing the rich just a little bit more, because they call it socialism. Here we have Christians who don’t want universal healthcare that will help the sick and the dying because it’s seen as socialism.

    They say charity begins at home, and I guess that’s right, because most Christian Republicans are hypocrites and are only looking out for themselves.

    Jesus hated rich people, it says so in the Bible.

  • DJS

    the_don…Maybe you should stop watching all the other networks because all they do is brainwash people to think that no matter what Obama does it is ok. It’s very clear who will keep their word and who won’t. And who is going to waste money and who isn’t. I didn’t watch his propaganda. But that was a waste. And I for one would complain if McCain spent that much on a 1/2 hour waste of time.

    He lied about campaign funds which of course all the Obama koolaid drinkers don’t care if he lied about that. So what makes you think that come January 20 he won’t come out and tell you that he is raising everyones taxes. No one debates him about his spending now and no one dares to ask him a question because they will do such a complete background check on you that you will wish you had kept your mouth shut.

  • DJS
  • dale


    Some great points mate, here’s a great quote:

    “…I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
    Jesus Christ


    Maybe you should start watching some more networks, I can’t believe that even somebody that spews the absurd things you say would have the audacity to suggest that getting your news from a diversity of sources is a bad thing! A diversity of sources is Brainwashing! Nice!

    Some people say Fox News IS propaganda, that that’s its whole slated purpose, that it’s the exact reasons why Rupert Murdoch bought it and shaped it. Other people say it’s news dumbed down into mere punditry to shape the minds of the feeble masses using half-truths and lies to prey on negative emotions like fear and hate.

    Some people say that this is self evident in your posts.

  • the_don, we all can’t be as enlightened as you, you’re like Nirvana and we’re all just trying to achieve your status.

    susan, I see you’re back at it, same old dribble just a different day!

    “I feel sad to hear of any American who is proud they voted for McCain because your country will crash and burn,if elected and you will live to regret it like BUSH,The world cold careless about America anymore,”

    Then shut it already and stay out of our election. If the world could care less about America why is it you’re soooo concerned with who we elect, oh but wait, you follow that reckless statement up this, “the problem is when you sink so do the rest of us.” So you admit that the rest of the world really does care what we Americans do, it’s funny though that hardly any Americans follow the politics of Japan isn’t it. I can see why you like Obama, you both lack substantive argument for why “he” should be elected.

    OBAMAVOTER- “DON’T HATE JUTS CONGRATULATE!!! OBAMA’S JANUARY 20, 2009 INAUGUARATION,”…….Oh my, go get yourself a dictionary!

    Not McCain- “It’s amazing that people are trying to attack Barack Obama’s character based on how much money has been donated to his campaign when Sarah Palin spent 150,000 dollars on clothing, accessories, hair-do’s and pacifiers in less than a month. Yeah, sure, she’s totally your typical, American soccer mom….”

    Seriously, you need to educate yourself on this topic before coming in here and spewing this garbage.

    The Republican vice presidential candidate has been dogged for days by a brouhaha over $150,000 in clothes and accessories bought for her by the Republican National Committee.

    We don’t know how much Barack Obama spends on suits, or Michelle Obama has spent on a wardrobe. How much does Hillary Clinton spend on her wardrobe. Sarah Palin didn’t have ten closets full of clothing for months of campaigning the way Obama, Biden, and McCain do, she’s not as wealthy as them. As such, the RNC thought they needed to outfit her with a wardrobe. She didn’t request the spending nor did she herself to the shopping, the RNC stupidly did.

    It was an aide for the Republican National Committee which spent the money, not Sarah Palin, she can’t afford to live the Obama lifestyle buying expensive clothing such as that. She doesn’t own the clothes, they’re owned by the RNC and half of them were returned for the wrong size, the rest she might wear on the trail, and then they’ll be stupidly donated. I say let her keep them as a “thank you” for saving the country from Barack Obama.

    Stalin don’t waste your time with Dale, and for that matter NZpudding either. I think well all get that NZPudding Hates on Christians.

    NZ here’s a funny video for your atheist self to watch:


  • tammyredgop

    Sorry Barrack Hussein Obama, I dont buy it, you can say the sweetest words, you can have a plan , but you have to be able to do it and you cant. Taxing corporations will send them out of America, they will lay workers, it is socialism, it is marxism.

    GOd have mercy on us if Obama is elected,
    God have mercy on Israel if Obama

    Mccain and Palin

    Election Day is approaching, the voters will be responsible for electing the next Commander in Chief. Each candidate is vying for the privilege of our most valuable right. Voting is the ultimate honor of a free people. The right to vote was paid for with the blood and limbs from every successive generation of American soldier defending us from Monarchism, Imperialism, Fascism, and Communism. Now, it will be up to you to defend this generation from the slavery of Socialism; suggested into our psyche by a subliminal injecting left wing media and imposed on us by the left wing, power hungry political machine.

    Change is a subjective campaign slogan not a realist plan of action. Fabricating disaffection and stoking fear for purposes of political manipulation is the most insidious of campaign tactics. Historically, it is right out of the National Socialist playbook of 1932 pre-NAZI Germany. Obama supporters should be introspective and admit they are not voting for Obama, as much as they are voting against the Republicans and capitalism. They are reacting emotionally and not intellectually or ideologically.

    Populism is the extreme emotion attached to a charismatic candidate not an ideology. Ultra-liberalism is a perversion of Democrat principles; it is government of the few, Oligarchy. Obscene and unaccountable campaign money is Plutocracy, government of the wealthy buying votes. Socialism is a betrayal of libertine concepts, the polar opposite of individual freedom, economic independence, in exchange for government ownership of the means of production. It’s redistribution of capital, called Distribution-ism. Neo-Marxism is the power of government seizing from you to give to me. That is un-American. A free people, are a strong people, do not surrender our freedoms for the dependency of socialism. Together, we can meet the economic and military challenges confronting our nation, so long as we cling to our American revolutionary heritage.

    Be reminded, the spirit of our Republic is in the deeds of the American Revolutionaries who sacrificed more for this nation than any of the two presidential candidates on the political scene today, perhaps with the exception of the former Prisoner Of War, Senator John Mcain;

    “A government strong enough to give you anything you want is strong enough to take everything you have.” (Thomas Jefferson)

    Anthony Mele

  • dale

    Conservative Girl so nice to hear from you.

    Nobody hates Christians, nobody here hates America, or Americans.

    To simply characterise somebody as hating Christians because you can’t fault the argument is so absurdly indicative of the problem.

    How about commenting on why Jesus said rich people almost certainly can’t get into heaven? How about addressing an issue instead of making weak character assassinations or misrepresenting positions?

    Rather than engage in an actual intellectual discussion, which I’m yet to be convinced you’re capable of, it’s just so easy to make a sweeping characterisation and save your feeble brain the task of actually having to THINK.

    Which IS the fundamental problem with society in general. People like you who refuse to think. People like DJS who think getting news from a variety of sources who dare disagree with Fox is akin to Brainwashing!

    You are the problem.

  • freespirit

    ..I’m supremely confident that the same people who voted for Bush TWICE (and thus are partly responsible for the state the US is in now)…will be stubborn enough to not admit their mistakes and will thus fall for the same politics again…just this time they will have to accept that the majority has learned a lesson, and will vote Obama for President….outside of the US this wouldn’t even be a close call…85% of the rest of world would vote for Obama, yet conservative gal, stalin and the likes still remain close-minded. anyway this time they won’t get away with it…

    may the US find its way back to former glory…

  • Babs

    pudding, Jesus didn’t hate anyone, he died for all of us. And that’s all I’m going to say on religon here.

    I didn’t watch the infomercial, but I heard later that the mock combination of the oval office/Camp David was in very poor taste. Is it true that McCain ran a commerical before and after the 30 minute production?

  • JustSomeGuy

    Jesus said to give to Ceasar what is Ceasars, and he said to give to those in need (summed up). He did not how ever say give to Ceasar so Ceasar can give to those in need. You see i believe He saw it as a personal responsibility and not as a governmental responsibility. And in response to the statement that the Bible says Jesus hated rich people…. comon use your head it does not say that. Yes it is easier for a camel to go thru the eye of a needle. He was not talking about a sewing needle, but rather thru a small door in a gate which was open after dark. it was not impossible to get thru just hard. Just for the record i have not watched the Obama commercial because i have already decided on who i am voting for. I came to this conclusion on my own with out any help from my church or campaign ads. I am not a hippocrate, i am not for war. But I also am not going to turn my back on those in need as stated ealier. Our troops have done many great and incredible things over in Iraq. Such as building roads, hospitals, schools, an Iraqi army, police force, and not to mention a foundation for democracy.
    We risk losing all of the good done over there if we leave now.

  • DJS

    dale..maybe if you watched something other than the MSM you would have a more open mind. Getting news from a diversity of sources would be great if they were not all biased. That’s what the news used to be but not anymore. As for FOX a lot of the topics and questions that come up are debated by a rep from both sides. So I do get the diversity that you pointed out in your opinion I don’t get. I try not to watch much news at all including FOX because they only tell you what they want you to hear. I can do better researching the internet and getting both sides of the stories. So your opinion of my stupidity is because I am not familiar with both sides is a misjudgement on your part.
    Don’t forget this is America and at this point in time we have freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Which gives me the right to voice my opinion just like it gives you a right to voice yours.
    Obama thinks that raising taxes will help the economy like it did when FDR raised them but that didn’t help.
    And if you do more research you can find more about it.

  • Stalin

    dale and nz

    You are both embarrassements to your great countries. PUDDING, I love New Zealand and thank God I didn’t meet anyone like you there. Everyone I met was very polite and gracious. Hmm, maybe they were Christians…

  • DJS

    freespirit…you can have him now if you would like. It is funny how so many people from other countries think Obama can do no wrong. It isn’t your taxes he wants to raise, and it isn’t your freedoms he and the other democrats in office want to change. I am all for change but if my house burnt to the ground today that would be a change. The change Obama keeps talking about isn’t always the change that people think will help this country.
    How can a man be trusted to go to the white house and stop all the unnecessary waste when he has been part of it since he won his sit in the senate. I now that some people don’t think that $1M a day in waste is much but if the country had that $1M a day back for the number of days he has been there that would add up to a pretty large sum. And Hillary wasted more than that. McCain has not put extras into bills for the sake of wasteful spending and has said he would release names of congress who put earmarks into bills. That is what accountability is. And Obama and the democrats won’t do that because they are the ones to blame for a big part of it.

  • Barb

    I’m so sick of the whole good Christian thing – there is no such thing as a good Christian – just reading the majority of these posts convinces me of that.

    Go Obama!

  • DJS

    nzpudding…in one of the other threads you mentioned you donated to Obama’s campaign and yet you are not an American citizen which is a requirement and it is illegal for the campaigns to take accept this contribution. So can you explain to us how you did that?
    It just goes to show why Obama won’t release information about his campaign funds. It is obvious what he is doing is illegal. Ya, that’s who I want representing this country.

  • Nobama
  • Moody

    freespirit…”may the US find its way back to former glory”

    Obama’s philosophy is far from our former glory. Minimizing Government’s role is what this country is all about! It is meant to be a government to police and protect basic human rights for its people, NOT solve their problems for them. This country proved that if you allow your people to operate freely (take the good and bad), the overall result is mostly prosperity and opportunity. We have gradually slipped away from that through the decades and that’s why we are stumbling now. Bush is one of many politicians to fail us for quite some time now.

    Mark my words: Even with good intentioned Liberals like Obama, increasing the role of our Federal Government will continue to weaken our society.

    PS: McCain’s philosophy is much better, but I fear still not good enough. He will probably bankrupt us as well with his military spending. But he’s got my vote, because atleast I have some hope with him.

  • DJS

    At the end of next Tuesday the decision will be made. Whether or not we agree with it we have to live with it for 4 years. Although we haven’t impeached a president for a while. All I would like is for Obama to be truthful. If he has nothing to hide than why not show the campaign contributions with names. Hillary wouldn’t allow people to donate on line unless they provide proof of citizenship. Obama is always just teetering on the fence. It makes people like me wonder what he is trying to hide. Now we know from this site that nzpudding has donated to Obama but isn’t an American citizen so how many others are there?

    And you can believe it or not but I would feel the same way about McCain. If you have nothing to hide and you are not doing anything wrong then why not just publish it.

    Is this how he is going to run the presidency? It seems like we don’t find out unless he feels it is a need to know. That is not what this country is all about. We have freedoms that so many other countries don’t have and we have the right to question the integrity of a man or woman who wants to be president of this country.

  • JD

    Hey peeps,

    Here are the ratings from the Obama infoshow last night…

    Preliminary numbers show close to 30 million viewers tuned in to Wednesday’s half-hour special– more than the programs usually scheduled for that time slot.


  • bdjnk

    Here is some reality to counteract the Obama speak http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvc0tYG_YpA

  • freespirit

    @DJS, you must be among those 5% making more than 250k otherwise u wouldn’t be complaining about higher taxes. and your freedom has been changed by the exact republican politics you support..it is unreal how the US has turned a into a surveillance state…continuing those politics will just get u more of the same. and McCain has been for DECADES part of the waste u talk about..

    @moody…I disagree, the current crisis is a perfect example that excessive deregulation leads to irrational exuberance with greed being the main driver…wake up! the income gap in the US is widening and widening…I hate to point it out, but there are 36.5 mio Americans who live below the poverty line, even more have NO health insurance, etc. etc…the US is increasingly turning into a country vastly different classes. with very few people doing extremely well, most struggling, and a substantial part living under 3rd world country conditions…this is not the direction the US should be heading…

    I hate to say it guys, but the US is in deep s@it…the media is of course mostly ignoring those facts because people don’t like to hear them. but technically the US is bankrupt, the USD will devalue massively, the recession will be hard and the problems will just get bigger…economically Ron Paul would have been a far superior choice to any of the guys up for election, but the media (especially Fox) has sucessfully manipulated the public to get someone like McCain (an economic illiterate) elected instead….I’m not saying Obama is the best choice, I am just saying he is the better choice, simply cause I believe he is intellectually curios.. though he won’t have a magic pill against the problems lying ahead either…

    and if you still think, yeah but the US has the highest GDP and the strongest army and is thus the richest and the best…you better start putting things into perspective:

    e.g. (for the best bit scroll to the end of the article i.e. military expenditures)


  • U.S.A.

    A powerful message for those who are concerned for or real issues. This message answered questions for many and although some of you may not like it, you just heard from the next president of the U.S.A.

    Some of you can keep up the meaningless attacks on Obama and try to keep everyone fighting but some of us are looking to make a better America come to life. Step one is the vote for a leader who has the knowledge to lead. Someone who has the courrage to stand up against idiots and move forward. Someone who knows what middle class America needs. Someone who’s name is Barack Obama.

    I said it weeks ago. It is over. Stop the arguments already. Obama has it won. Life will go on. The good news is that after 8 years of the worst leadership in recent history, things may actually start getting better.

    Thanks to the Obama family for stepping up in our time of need. Thanks to the Obama supporters and most of all…..

    Congratulations Obama/Biden ’08

  • Deb

    freespirit….you obviously haven’t really paid a lot of attention to what has been going on in congress. You want to talk about waste. How about the fact that since Obama has been in office he has inserted an average of $1M a day into pork barrel spending. That’s how he got to be #2 on the list of the most money wasted on earmarks. McCain has inserted $0.00. So which one is wasting money and hurting the economy?
    And then there is the issue of the democrats critizing the republicans for suggesting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac needed more regulations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

    Bush first asked about regulations in 2001. But because the democrats were lining their pockets they didn’t want anything done to Fannie and Freddie.
    Then we also have Fannie Mae and Obama. The democrat family and Fannie Mae.

    So when it comes to the economy and the mortgage mess we have the democrats to thank for that. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Barack Obama, Maxine Waters, etc.
    It’s not hard to understand why Obama got the second highest payoff from Fannie Mae.

  • dale

    Deb, I know a lot of people, mostly Republicans, like to focus on
    Fannie and Freddie and say they were the problem, and that it’s the
    Democrats fault. 1. Republicans had the president and the congress
    when the worst of it was going on, if they wanted to change things,
    they had plenty of power to do it. BUT THEY DIDN’T. 2. By
    all economic experts’ opinions I have seen (most recently on the
    O’Reilly Factor), Fannie and Freddie were smallish players, and
    significantly better than almost all others. Their proportions of
    bad loans were much lower than average. They were also late in the
    game, and were in many ways forced to join in to compete to get the
    loans against others who set the standard. They had to do it to get
    their numbers, to stay competitive in a tight market place. Is that
    a defence? Perhaps not, but it doesn’t make them the key players,
    so pretending they were is just a lame attempt to shift blame back
    to Democrats, which by my first point, is a bit ridiculous anyway.
    freespirit, Great link on the politics of debt. If you want to
    understand DJS just watch Fox News. He/She is one of those people
    who actually thinks it’s fair and balanced. That is all you really
    need to know about him/her. Just ask yourself, “What would Sean
    Hannity say?”
    DJS, nzpudding and I are anything but an
    embarassment to our respective countries. I have yet to meet
    anybody from either of our countries (hundreds of thousands of
    NZers live here) who support McCain. Indeed, if you look at all the
    International posters on here you’ll be hard pressed to find
    anybody from any foreign country that does. You might want to ask
    yourself why, but I doubt you really will. According to this site’s
    own poll even about ⅓ of you lot aren’t voting FOR
    McCain, you’re voting against Obama. That’s a decision based on
    fear, however you want to spin it. Although you probably don’t have
    the issue with that you should have. Democrats want to take away
    your freedoms??? PATRIOT ACT!!!!!!!!. This is why Iran is a
    threat: Iranian Oil
    . Iran has the power to massively effect your economy by
    selling their oil in euros, not in US dollars. That means countries
    don’t need to hold US dollars to buy oil, which means supply of
    your money will go up, demand will go down, and your dollar will
    fall. That is the threat Iran (and formerly Iraq, but we all know
    what has happened there) faces to your country, it’s economic, it’s
    not about nuclear weapons/powers, they’ve been working on that for
    20-30 years. Don’t be surprised to see either McCain or Obama
    attack Iran, but that will be the reason. The MSM do not report on
    this, yes they are biased in certain ways of course. Objective
    media anywhere is virtually extinct. FOX is one of the worst
    offenders though, the fact that they have convinced people like
    you, DJS, that they aren’t is possibly the greatest trick they’ve
    pulled yet. Moody, Your government has never been so big as under
    the Republicans. If you really have an issue with big government
    you should have voted for Ron Paul (maybe you did, of course). He
    was probably the only candidate that would have done that. I do
    respect your opinion however as the issues you raised are perfectly
    valid. You’ve fallen on the other side once weighing them up, but
    at least your reasoning is sound which is all you expect from

  • EricF

    Dale you are a moron in the most complete sense. the only reason nothing was done is because dems turned it into a race issue just as they are trying to turn the voter fraud issue into a race issue by saying its voter suppression or voter intimidation. get a clue. Fannie and Freddie started the mess, the banks were pressured by groups like ACORN to make the loans. please Dale just STFU because you dont have a clue what you are talking about. you try to act like you know but you dont and you are only making yourself look like an idiot although i know you dont have to try hard since its so natural for you.

  • DJS

    dale…you need to read your history a little better. This mess with Fannie and Freddie started long before Bush. And as for trying to pin it on the democrats why don’t you check out Barney Frank and Herb Moses. Why don’t you check out Chris Dodd to see the sweet deal he got from Countrywide. And look up how many times it was brought up to congress that Fannie and Freddie were growing to big and needed to be regulated. See in our government we have different committees who over see specific entities. Barney Frank was on the banking committee, which writes banking laws when he was dating Herb Moses who was a senior exec at Fannie Mae. You can’t tell me that that isn’t a conflict of interest. But of course nothing could be said because they were gay. Had they been husband and wife, boyfriend and girlfriend, something would have been done. Then Barney Frank becomes chairman of the finance committee, they are supposed to oversee the banking industry including Fannie and Freddie. You can say what you want and you can blame the republicans but Barney Frank never once raised his hand and said we are in trouble. How many times did he have to be asked? He is a member of congress and owed it to this country to admit there was a problem. The president and the republicans did ask. He and his friends kept saying everything was ok.

    I have worked in the mortgage industry for years. During the last few years we lost a lot of business because we wouldn’t give loans to people who we knew couldn’t afford them. I do have some morals when it comes to trying to protect people. And that is why I think Obama will be bad for this country. I don’t think his policies are what this country needs.
    I know that you are all for Obama. I wish we could ship him over to you so you could have him running your country. But I guess we can’t do that.
    And as far as watching Sean Hannity on FOX I prefer Colmes over Hannity.
    You also need to check your facts. I never said you or nz were embarrassements to your countries. So stop putting me down for saying things I haven’t said.

  • dale

    Sorry DJS yes it was Stalin that said that. Sometimes I do find it a bit hard to tell you guys apart.

    If you still think you have to blame this on Fannie and Freddie, you could look into Rick Davis too, but I guess that doesn’t really help your arguments does it?

  • DJS

    dale…by the way I know a lot of democrats who choose not to Focus on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac because they don’t want to get caught with their fingers in the cookie jar.

    Pelosi will do anything she can to stop any type of investigation that may lead to the culprits. If they were republicans she would hand them over on a silver platter.
    The democrats have no interest in finding out why this happened because most of them already know.


    And they wanted to also make sure that it wasn’t all democrats who signed the bailout bill. If it was then they would have looked really bad.


  • DJS

    dale..I find it a bit hard to tell some of you guys apart too sometimes.

    Yes I agree that Rick Davis was a lobbyist for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. And he did get money for working as a lobbyist. I have looked into his background before. He didn’t however have anything to do with the lying and deceit that the senior execs at Fannie Mae are guilty of.

    My concern is that Barney Frank was basically put in charge to oversee the banking industry as head of the finance committee. He didn’t do his job. You can say what you want but the bottom line is HE DID NOT DO HIS JOB. He knew dam well that there were problems when the republicans wanted more regulations. Because those regulations weren’t put in place Fannie and Freddie bought up subprime loans like it was a candy sale.
    If you were put in a position and didn’t do your job what would happen?

    A lot of people have been hurt by the sub-prime mortgage mess and if the democrats truly believe the republicans are to blame then why don’t they put an investigation together and prove it? They won’t because they know where it will come back to and then the truth will be out.
    All you have to do is follow the money trail to see who benefited the most from Fannie Mae. Chris Dodd was #1 and Obama was #2. Can you answer why?

  • DJS

    ErikF…I think it was Biden who decided it was time to change his boss’s tax plan. The other day I thought I heard him say the max was $150,000. I couldn’t find it in writing but when I heard it I was a little surprised. So you may be right by the time January 20th rolls around it could be down to $42,000.

    Obama says he is doing away with Bush’s tax cuts but then he is giving the middle class a break. So he will raise their taxes when he does away with Bush’s cuts and then give some of it back to them and they will be happy!!!!! Although they will still be bringing home less than when Clinton was in office.

  • Bill Hedges

    DJS–Doesn’t two of the bad boys from F/F work for OBAMA. Including the one who cooked the books to get big bonus?

  • Moody

    Freespirit… You didn’t understand my comment. You are right. Excessive deregulation like we’ve had really hurt. Like I said, Government’s role is to police and protect. They are not policing fair trade very well. Where I part with Obama’s philosophy is his ideas on big spending. All those social and economic programs he would like to continue and create. It is the Fed Gov taking money from its people so it can solve their problems for them. Classic example with history is Social Security. It teaches people not to save. Human nature: You don’t learn the value of something that someone else just does for you. And like most Gov programs, it isn’t working. The money is drying up fast.

  • Moody

    Dale… I thought about voting for Ron Paul, cause he is closest to me in philosophy. But, he seems to me like he’s a little nuts and ready to “jump off the cliff” with his policies. Meaning, he says he would immediately pull all troops, all over the world. He would immediately try to abolish income tax. So on and so forth. You can’t do things like that immediately. Change of an entire nation must come a little slower than that. I looking for candidates who will pull the size of our Federal Gov down one step at a time. Pretty damn hard to find! McCain I strongly felt was that guy before he started running for Pres. Since his campagne begun, he has disappointed me with his lack of honor. But, I see no better choice than to hang in there with him.

  • DJS

    Bill…Jim Johnson was the former head of Obama’s VP selection committee. He didn’t last long. Guess he couldn’t stand the heat.

    Franklin Raines has been in and out of the news as far as Obama’s campaign is concerned. Supposedly he was advising Obama on the housing policies. But there are reports out there that he only talked to Obama once. So who knows. We will probably never know. Until Obama writes his next book.

  • Bill Hedges

    DJS- so I am wrong. The two F/F guys do not work for Obama..Much ?

  • DJS

    Moody…I am with you. Ron Paul is a little off the wall. McCain isn’t my first choice but he is the lesser of 2 evils.

  • DJS

    Bill…that is what they want us to believe.

  • Bruce

    Babs, ……. Gosh I thought you of all the Repubs on this blog you wouldn’t go there

    “Well, well, I’ll bet we see a lot of the people on this guest list start getting calls for interviews:


    Wanna take a Wild Guess Who directly FUNDED Rashid Khalidi??? McCain with a $500,000 with more to follow the next years…. AHEM

    Who was the Strong spoke person for the KLA????

    “During the late stages of the Balkan War, the Kosovo Liberation Army was known for committing incredible atrocities in its efforts to facilitate Kosovo’s independence from Yugoslavia. The guerrilla group often was responding to acts of violence committed against its own people. But its tactics were, nevertheless, viewed as condemnable: abductions and murders, systematic burning and looting of homes, and harassment and intimidation of Yugoslav officials.” “And yet, John McCain, the current Republican standard-bearer, was one of the KLA’s most outspoken supporters. Back in May 1999, when it seemed as if NATO air raids would prove ineffective in stopping the violence, and calls were being made to send in ground troops, McCain suggested that the U.S. simply fund the KLA instead.

    “It wouldn’t bother me if you arm the KLA [Kosovo Liberation Army] forces,” he said

    Read more here just released Today! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/31/mccain-was-strong-support_n_139732.html

    So Babs…. In these next few days till the Election can we just STOP this Tit For Tat about who knows who, About Who Obama shared toys with in 2nd Grade Etc… He is NOT a Socialist/Muslim/Marxist/ any other damn word the Repub Smear machine can Put an IST on the end of and sling it at him thinking it will Stick. ITS PATHETIC.

    To all,

    We Will ALL need to come together after this thing is over NO MATTER who wins! Heal this Divide and stop all this Nonsense!

  • DJS

    Bruce…McCain didn’t fund directly to Rashid Khalidi. He was on a board who funded a polling organization. Khalidi was part of that organization.

    Is Obama starting to back track or what?

    Barack Obama’s senior advisers have drawn up plans to lower expectations for his presidency if he wins next week’s election, amid concerns that many of his euphoric supporters are harbouring unrealistic hopes of what he can achieve.

    Here is the full report: