Final Presidential Debate tonight at 9PM ET / 6PM PT

The final presidential debate between Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. John McCain will take place tonight, Wednesday, October 15th, 2008 at 9pm eastern time, 6pm pacific time. The debate will be broadcast from Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York.

Watch the entire, unedited debate video here: Video: Final Presidential Debate from Hofstra University

We will have the entire, unedited debate video available here once it airs. Tonight’s format will be a traditional debate, however, each candidate will be seated at a table with the moderator for a much more personal appearance.

Time: 9PM ET / 6PM PT
Channel: CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, PBS, C-SPAN
Web Stream: Available below at 9PM ET / 6PM PT
Location: Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY
Length: 90 minutes
Format: Domestic/Foreign Policy Traditional Debate
Moderator: Bob Schieffer from CBS News

The Seattle Times has a dire outlook for voters hoping to get some specific details tonight:

WASHINGTON — Barack Obama and John McCain get their last chance Wednesday night to debate before tens of millions of voters about how they differ over remedies for the nation’s most vexing issues: the economy, health care and the future of Medicare and Social Security.

But few experts expect much new insight from their 90-minute debate at 6 p.m. Seattle time.

Not only does the format discourage talk about details, but also on the stump, on their Web sites and in their ads, the campaigns have shown little desire to get too precise.

“I’ve been very disappointed in both of them for the lack of vision,” said William Shughart, professor of economics at the University of Mississippi.

He and others don’t expect much depth.

“The debate format doesn’t lend itself to detail or complexity,” said Julian Zelizer, professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University.

Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y., is the site of the third and final debate. McCain and Obama will answer questions from moderator Bob Schieffer of CBS.

The debate is to focus on domestic issues. It will include two-minute answers and then five minutes of discussion.

Schieffer says he’ll press for specifics, but historians say he’s got a tough job, because candidates tend to be vague, even in tough times.

“Franklin Roosevelt in the 1932 campaign was famously known for promising bold, persistent experimentation,” without being too specific, said John Geer, editor of the Journal of Politics.

The recent model for substantive campaigning was probably 1992, when candidates spent months debating the economy and offered books laying out their proposed programs.

Here’s to hoping Schieffer presses them both on details, never mind the so-called “debate rules” both campaigns may have agreed on.

Another view from CNN on whether it’s McCain’s last stand:

WASHINGTON (CNN) — The third and final presidential debate is shaping up to be a make-or-break appearance for both Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama, one of the last chances to get their message out to undecided voters.

The 90-minute face-off will undoubtedly focus on the economic crisis plaguing the country.

And unlike at the other two debates, the candidates will sit at a table facing one another.

CBS News’ Bob Schieffer, host of “Face the Nation,” will moderate the debate and told The Associated Press on Sunday that he will be seeking more on what each will bring to the presidency.

“By now, we’ve all heard their talking points,” he said. “We’ve heard the general outlines of what they are talking about. The time has come to be a little more specific.”

Schieffer said he’s not reluctant to get both candidates to stick to the question.

“It will not embarrass me, if they go off in a different direction, to say, ‘excuse me, could you focus on the question that I just asked?’ ” he said.

The veteran journalist last moderated a debate in the 2004 presidential race between President Bush and Sen. John Kerry.

A Hofstra University official said Tuesday that both candidates have made interesting demands.

Both campaigns, for example, have requested that an air-conditioning vent be placed above their candidate in order to prevent sweating, and the Nixon-Kennedy debate could be the reason.

In the 1960 presidential debate with John F. Kennedy, Richard Nixon’s excessive perspiration and 5 o’clock shadow became fodder in the media and arguably one of the more memorable moments in debate history.

Another demand cited by the official: Both candidates are demanding a water glass, and not just any glass. They want an exact replica of water glasses used at the previous debates.

As the clock ticks down to the debate, both candidates are in full preparation mode.

Update

Video from Fox 5 in New York about the Hofstra preparations:

We’ll be eagerly awaiting kick-off at 9pm eastern time. More on this story as it develops.

Update

Watch the entire, unedited debate video here: Video: Final Presidential Debate from Hofstra University

  • The CPD has not followed its own guidelines for the Presidential Debates. Mr Obama has not produced a valid-certified copy of his birth certificate for public view.

    There is a lawsuit demanding proof of his citizenship and the DNC and Senator Obama refuse to comply.

    WHY WON’T SOMEONE LOOK INTO THIS AND DEMAND OBAMA’S CREDENTIALS?

    Evidence of Constitutional Eligibility

    The CPD’s first criterion requires satisfaction of the eligibility requirements of Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution. The requirements are satisfied if the candidate:

    a.
    is at least 35 years of age;

    b.
    is a Natural Born Citizen of the United States and a resident of the United States for fourteen years; and

    c.
    is otherwise eligible under the Constitution

  • Nikki

    Save me a seat gang, I’ll bring the popcorn. I took the night off work for this one. ^_^

  • Obama not supplying his Birth Certificate for proof is the best argument yet the GOP have come up with for him not to be President…LMAO

  • Dale

    Wow McCain killed him in this debate. Obama is such a liar, remember that thing he said about that other thing. McCain totally called him out about hating America, it’s over for Obama. No wonder he hates America, he’s not even American.

    Wait what? It hasn’t aired yet, whatever…

  • Gary

    Do you mean this birth certificate?

    http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

  • george

    Come on all you pathetic GOP supporters. Stop the false rumors about Sen. Obama. The issues on citizenship some listed on this blog are as incredible as those saying McCain is not a US Citizen because he was born in South America. That’s like saying Palin will not uphold the US Constitution as she is against each individual woman’s right to choose for themselves and intends to overturn that constitutional right. Unfortunately, GOP supporter will support their party no matter how detrimental to the country over the real issues that focus on a better quality of life for the majority of Americans, where the Democrats have more empathy for the majority of Americans. McCain = War President Bush Continued = Further Bankrupting of the US Treasury = Higher Federal Deficits = Less for you if you vote for McCain. Stop the false comments about Obama, he is leading and winning the undecideds vote because he is the better candidate for America.

  • EricF
  • kara

    Obama is 100% for himself. his VP does not even know what he is talking about. he constantly repeats himself, as if we havnt already heard it the first time. taxing big companys and the higher class is not going to help the economy in any way. its like a circle. you tax the upper class, the lower class suffers. more people will be out of jobs. our economy will fall even more so if obama is president. McCain/Palin 2008

  • ADL

    Suggestion for Bob Schieffer: for tonight’s debate, can candidates comment whether US must develop a new nuclear weapon as proposed by Secretaries Gates & Bodman in the recent report, “National Security and Nuclear Weapons in 21st Century”

  • Dale

    EricF, I watched your video. The bloke made some good points, and used quite a few lame attacks, as I suppose you can expect from anybody who comes from a partisan perspective. I liked his indoctrinated as Democrat perspective, the schooling perspective was great.

    It interests me that so much of the right wing perspective comes from a hatred of victim mentality, which I myself have a personal hatred of. The difficulty of course being that given a nation like yours which REQUIRES a large class distinction to function (note your minimum wage), what do you expect? Somebody has to work at McDonalds, somebody has to collect garbage, clean hotels etc. If that person makes only $5/hr, how are they supposed to feel?

    To get more philosophical, how can you judge a person’s perspective unless you’ve lived their life? People don’t give nearly enough credence to the difference in perspective you get from living a vastly different life. In a country which makes it so difficult for a poor person to go to college, how do you expect a poor person of above average intelligence working minimum wage to feel?

    If you want to further examine the issue look to education, look at giving everybody an equal chance, then blame somebody for not taking it.

  • EricF

    Dale, im not a cold unfeeling person. trust me thats the farthest from the truth. everyone should have opportunity but thats it. if you dont take advantage of that opportunity then you can only blame yourself. under a McCain presidency (all but wraped up now) there will be plenty of opportunity for all that want it.

  • Laura

    @William Lolli

    Yes, why doesn’t someone look into that? Why don’t you take it on yourself? Why does it always have to be “someone” that does “something?” Get cracking!

    Meanwhile I’ll look into the allegation that McCain eats babies while clubbing baby seals.

  • tomasphilosopherking

    William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.
    The two lobbyists who Timmons worked closely with over a five year period on the lobbying campaign later either pleaded guilty to or were convicted of federal criminal charges that they had acted as unregistered agents of Saddam Hussein’s government.
    During the same period beginning in 1992, Timmons worked closely with the two lobbyists, Samir Vincent and Tongsun Park, on a previously unreported prospective deal with the Iraqis in which they hoped to be awarded a contract to purchase and resell Iraqi oil. Timmons, Vincent, and Park stood to share at least $45 million if the business deal went through.

  • IndiMinded

    You know neither of the candidates is intending to answer the debate questions when they both feel the need to come up with new economic proposals just before the debate – obviously so they’ll have something to actually talk about while they’re dodging the questions.

    Another talking points recital. I can’t wait! 😀

  • terry

    Is it true that Sen Obama does not stand and put his hand over his heart when the flag is raised? Also does he really belive in what it stands for

  • EricF

    lol Gary that COLB (certification of live birth) posted on that website has been discredited. also that website has been discredited. they change their facts as they learn them. lol. seriously they changed information on that website. pathetic. soon he will have to handover a real bc.

  • Laura
  • Bill Hedges

    I have watched on this site in different threads, good Obama suppoters say McCain should not talk about Ayers, etc. I wonder why they care. If it helps Obama, they should be happy to hear this stuff. They saw nothing else to help McCain. They believe the rich should pay high taxes , pay for everyone’s health insurance and the debts in social sercurty. As well as continue providing new good paying jobs.Forget the economics of risk-reward. President Kennedy in a famous speach in Piadephia should be checked on the internet. It has been awhile since I read it, but you might be suprised by what he thought. I am of modest income, Not sure if I qualify for all these goodies being promised. Remember rich pay taxes on income, etc.. People’s 401 will surely be taxed. Rich can take their money outside Ubited States, put in non-job vehiles or create jobs. Who is President and his words and deeds, will deternine how those wicked rich people will behave. …………………..Under Clinton I believe, a idea to raise taxes was to increase the tax on rich people boats. After losing tax income, the tax went back to original amount. Rich people refused to buy boats.

  • Anne

    Sad that this might be an election like that one of developing countries who vote according their tribes. Here we know of whites who would not vote for a black man or blacks who would not vote for a white man. This is irrespective of what they stand for. Do these people stop to think that these are public office holders and not team mates in a local football club?
    People vote for whom you may, but don’t vote for someone only because they share your skin color. That is soooooooo retrogressive and stupid

  • caro

    Why is it that we all are so worried about a birth certificate..this is what has America the way it is at this point. We need to stop worrying about petty things and start looking at facts, credentials and the better candidate for America. OBAMA 08′

  • acme

    Mr. Lolli,

    It really doesn’t take that much research to get to the bottom of this story. I’m guessing you’d just rather not know the truth, because you have to support your anti-Obama agenda?

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

  • Andy

    Vote for GOD!!!! Pro Life !!!!!!!

  • Andy

    McCain is the only one with moral values !!!!!!!!! Obama is for gays and abortion!!!!!!!!! This is a no brainer!!!!!!!!! Vote for GOD’s principles!!!!!!! Vote for McCain!!!!!!!!!

  • I’m all for McCain to talk about Ayers.

    The rich to pay for everyone’s health insurance and debts? you’ll have to point out who said that Bill.

    Providing new good paying jobs?…wtf?…you’ll have to point out the employment figures on that one Bill.

    The whole Kennedy thing has lost me.

    Hmmm, the rich already are taking their money outside of the United States, that’s why jobs are going overseas. More so under Bush (he’s a Republican by the way) than any other President.

    You really are a funny guy Bill …LOL 🙂

  • kodanicus

    this is gonna be good

  • Andy

    A president must be a leader that has firm moral beliefs. A president must stand up for what he believes. A president must believe in the USA. Having said this, how can obama be the right one for the job? He claims he does not believe in the same issues as rev wright, but he attended his church for 20 years. How dumb do you have to be to sit in a church for 20 years and then finally find out that you don’t agree with the pastor? Obama does not have moral beliefs. He beliefs in gays and abortions (which is against GOD). Obama’s wife is known to have said bad things about the USA. How can you be alligned with a wife, a pastor, and oh yea a domestic terroist that hate the USA and claim you are the best person to be president? It does not take a very smart person to see that the clear chose is McCain for President.

  • Bill Hedges

    Nzpudding- The guy on welfare down the street from me will provde you with the good paying job.

  • Bill Hedges

    Nzpudding- The guy on welfare down the street from me will provde you with the good paying job. You like to be funny. That want help you get and hold a good job. Maybe Babs or Conservative will explain to you

  • Bill Hedges

    Nzpudding- The guy on welfare down the street from me will provde you with the good paying job. You like to be funny. That want help you get and hold a good job. Maybe Babs or Conservative Gal will explain to you

  • Bill Hedges

    Nzpudding- The guy on welfare down the street from me will provde you with the good paying job. You like to be funny. That won’t help you get and hold a good job. Maybe Babs or Conservative Gal will explain to you

  • Andy,

    You talk about morals.

    Alaska (think Governor Palin) has the highest rape rate for a state, 2.2 times the national average overall. http://www.swivel.com/graphs/show/16914870?limit_modifier=all&graph
    High for Incest too. http://www.hss.state.ak.us/dph/ipems/injury_prevention/akfvpp/bkgnd.htm

    Republican states lead the country in:

    Teenage pregnancies.
    http://atheism.about.com/b/a/210472.htm
    http://www.heartheissues.com/teensex-ed.html

    And divorces.
    http://louisvilledivorce.typepad.com/info/2006/11/red_states_blue.html
    http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Blue_States_Red_States
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15644-2004Dec21_2.html

    And murders.
    http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=169&scid=12

    And VD infections.
    http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewPrint&artic

    And teenage suicides.
    http://www.sustainablemiddleclass.com/teen-mortality.html

    And if we’re on the subject of candidates spouses, Cindy McCain stole drugs from a charity to feed her junky habit and Todd Palin is associated with the Alaskan Secessionist Party. Look up what they do, they don;t want to be apart of America anymore.

    You’re more funny than Bill and he’s a hoot.

  • Bill Daley

    In all of Senator Obama’s wisdom, has he ever thought that taxing people who make more than $250,000 a year might spark a lot of them to pull their money out of US banks and put it in foreign accounts? That would be great for the US economy wouldn’t it?

  • Mario

    Ohh, so that is patriotic!

    Those who would do that do not deserve to live our freedom. There has to be responsibility on each individual; neither of the candidates can teach that to your reach people.

  • Andy

    nzpudding,

    you are a fool for the democratic bs machine. you are just another victim of the bias media my friend. i will pray for you. that one day you will vote for moral issues. there is only one man that has the proven track record to be president. and that is PRESIDENT McCAIN!!

  • Jennifer Alcock

    What can be done for the farmers?

  • Michelle

    Finally! McCain is standing up! I hope he gets even more on the offensive….it’s about time.

  • Michelle

    I am more concerned about a non-patriot running the United States of America than I am about the current economic situation. Having Obama in the Oval office will get us in WAY more trouble than just economic in the next 4 years.

  • Andy

    Michelle,

    I agree with you. We should vote for America. McCain will not change the economy in the near future nor will Obama. The economy will take time to rebuild. All the talk about rebuilding the economy quick is just to get votes. Both men know this is not realistic.

  • Josh

    Gosh.. I hate McCain.. He is throwing bunch of lies.

    He cuts off when THAT ONE is talking.

  • Aleks

    Senator Obama was born here, he was raised here, he represents my beliefs (a white lady from the Midwest) and values and he is respectful to his opponent. Do any of those of you who claim that Obama is unpatriotic stop to reflect whether you are a racist? Why do you need to work so hard to “not trust” him?

    You’ll believe email chains before you believe a man? Do you not trust blacks? Or do you just not trust anyone?

  • Tim

    If the american public can’t see that Obama is the clear leader in this campaign then i think the country is completely doomed. This comming from a Canadian who is looking at this election without any bias towards either party. It looks like Obama is sincere in his desire to help the country vs. McCain who looks like he will say anything just to get into office. Canadadians want to see a prosperous America as much as you do. You’re our biggest trade partner. Please make a careful decision, and leave any bias behind.

  • Andy

    Aleks,

    I am not a racist. I am just smart enough to see threw him. I am a GOD fearing Christian man that loves the USA. I don’t want this country to crumble before my 6 yr old son gets a chance to enjoy it.

  • Bill Hedges

    Andy– Nzpudding likss to make fun of people. Check the treads. Don’t believe him or me. There are some fine people on this site that will discuss with you in a polite way.

  • Me

    Andy,
    Since when is cheating on your wife and marrying money moral? Leave God out of this. The separation of Church and State is a fundamental building block of our country.

  • Laura

    Where’s McCain’s American flag lapel pin? Doesn’t he love his country anymore?

  • I don’t like to make fun of people Bill…..OK maybe a little, but only those who can’t spell…LOL

  • Susan

    Obama is heads and shoulders above McCain. McCain spent the last 90 minutes attacking Obama, but rarely outlined in detail his (McCain’s) position or policy. Obama, on the other hand, first articulated his own policies and followed it up with explaining the differences between his own policy and McCain’s. Obama made it clear that he can explain, in clear terms, his position to the American people–he is abundantly presidential. McCain would make a good attack dog, but he is not presidential! Moreover, McCain’s choice of Palin as his VP was very unwise and shows extremely bad judgment–she would be sworn in as the President of the US if, God-forbid, anything ever happened to McCain. Vote Obama!

  • Aleks

    Andy, John McCain lies (and lied) repeatedly. He is the politician playing the politician. He is the untrustworthy one. We don’t need another President that stretches the truth and twists reality to get the public to believe him.

    McCain made some good debate points. But overall, came off as a jerk. I trust Obama with my money and my country.

  • Andy

    ME,

    McCain is more of a Christian that Obama. Just look at the facts. I am voting for the man that alligns himself with GOD the most. And i see you would love to push GOD out of politics. But i am afraid you got it all wrong. this country was founded on the belief in GOD. Our laws where based on the principles of the Bible. Separation of state and church means that the state will not tell a church how to run its congregation but it does not mean to push GOD out of this country.

  • kynelly

    After reading these post…it makes me wonder if America is afraid of “change”. When are we going to look at the issues? It’s not about the “norm” but how we can change America. We need to look at our children who are our future.

    As an early childhood educator, it upsets me that McCain would state “the Head Start Program” is not working and it has been found that when these children enter the 3rd grade with low math scores etc.” We have low income to moderate income families that rely on this federal funded program to educate their children and help them become self sufficent. Is it fair to say that, when Head Stat Teachers make 8 and 9 dollars an hour? Is it fair to tell poor familes that a federal funded program for “thier children” is not “working” when teachers receive little or no pay?

    To McCain “STOP GIVING VOCHERS FOR CHARTER SCHOOLS IN D.C AND INVEST IN TEACHER SALARIES…WALK IN POOR COMMUNITES AND MAKE THOSE SCHOOLS LOOK LIKE CHARTER SCHOOLS…DON’T TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THAT HEAD START IS NOT WORKING..BECAUSE IT IS. I WAS A HEAD START PARENT MAKING 7.00 NOW I MAKE OVER $ 100,000.00-THANKS TO HEAD START!

    Obama/Biden 2008…Thank God for America!

  • kynelly

    Andy,

    Are you Jesus Christ and did you die on the cross for us? Because it amuses me that you can “judge” someone’s faith. If you have faith and believe in God then you should “know better”. Only God can judge…not Andy!

  • Andy

    only GOD can judge, but GOD also gave man laws to follow. Gay marriage, abortions (killing kids)………by these stardards it is easy to see that Obama is not a true Christian……….so kynelly i advise you to start reading your Bible and learn what it means to be a Christian

  • kynelly

    Andy,

    This is the problem….people trying to “JUDGE” others. These individuals must report to God and ask for forgiveness. Therefore READ YOUR BIBLE……that is the reason Jesus died on the cross, why we pray, and why we fellowship on Sunday’s.

    Obama is NOT telling people to be Gay or Kill babies, he understands that “people are people” and WE as AMERICANS can not judge others as there is a “higher power”. But we can love and support our neighbors-that is what makes America beautiful.

    You can NOT discredit someone for trying to support American’s as “people”. And as a Christian, I hope you don’t TURN your back on someone that may need prayer, guidance, or spiritual support.

    If you want to “discredit” someone…THEN MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY where people are killed, raped, and tortured for believing and supporting others.

    May God Bless you!

    Obama/Biden 2008

  • Babs

    Jennifer Alcock, I see your post got lost in all the campaigning on this thread. Let me answer your question as to what can be done for farmers.

    Under an Obama administration, 80% of all farmers in this country will fall into the tax bracket to be slammed with higher taxes and fines on health insurance. This is whether they file individual tax returns – as 80% of them do – or if they file as small businesses. What you’ll see is more farm acreage on the auction block, and higher prices at your grocery store. You see, they are a member of that sector of “wealth” that Obama wants to spread around. Understand, it doesn’t matter what their bottom line on their tax form is after loses from bad drought or flood crops, equipment and labor costs, and fuel costs (most tractors get about 1/2 mile to the gallon). It matters what they write on the line for “gross income”. You will begin to see farmers allowing thousands of acres to lie fallow, and row crops become a thing of the past. Try buying groceries and fresh produce that are not on the shelves anymore. Then try to do business with grocery stores who will have to price themselves right out of business. Try buying a cotton t-shirt when the cotton fields lay bare. Then count up all the farm employees and grocery store employees and retail apparel stores who will join Obama’s welfare lines.

    That’s what Obama will do for farmers.

    I don’t know what McCain will do specifically for the farm industry – except not to tax them out of existence and get their fuel costs under control – not a small thing. But I DO know that he will do them NO HARM, unlike Obama.

    I come from a long line of farmers, and I know what I’m talking about.

  • Andy

    kynelly writes:

    Obama is NOT telling people to be Gay or Kill babies, he understands that “people are people” and WE as AMERICANS can not judge others as there is a “higher power”. But we can love and support our neighbors-that is what makes America beautiful.

    O.K. now i got it…..lets vote for someone whom believes in letting the killings of babies be an individual right….thanks for clearing that up………

  • Will

    Andy – “O.K. now i got it…..lets vote for someone whom believes in letting the killings of babies be an individual right….thanks for clearing that up……… ”

    You have no substance in your posts. Let’s make it clear, before you can scientifically prove an embryo is equivalent to a human life, you cannot throw words such as “…letting the killings of babies be an individual right…”.

    Here is an irrefutable fact. Republicans support the death penalty. By your moral standards, we should learn to forgive. Last time I checked, you don’t forgive by executing somebody. Why the double standard?

    Andy, I feel sorry that your judgement has been clouded by these petty issues. You lack the ability to prioritize issues.

    Can you explain which of McCain’s solutions to issues and his policies you (so blindly) agree with?

  • Andy

    This is really something to think about!

    ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!!!!

    Now isn’t this something to think about!
    If Barack Obama would apply for a job with the FBI or with the Secret Service, he would be disqualified because of his past association with William Ayers, a known terrorist.
    If he is elected President he would not qualify to be his own body guard!

    (and the majority of the people don’t care)

  • Andy

    u right will……lets kill the baby before it is born….yea then the child will not become a criminal…..what a way to go……..u abviously don’t read the Bible……there are crimes that GOD (I know this is hard for you to understand) instructs his people to put the criminal to death……Ezra 7:25-27

  • kynelly

    Andy…I guess you are the ONLY one in this country that knows GOD! I guess you are PeRfEcT, you NeVeR had to ask GOD for forgiveness and you are the model American. LOL LOL!!

    Give me a break…go make yourself happy,vote for McCain and continue to “claim” to be a Christian-get on your knees and ask GOD to remove the negativity within in! DONT FORGET….Only GOD can “judge” NOT Andy!!!! May GOD bless you my brother!

    Obama/Biden 2008

  • Andy

    kynelly …. i don’t claim to perfect at all………i ask for forgivness all the time…. i just feel that we need to support the the person with the best Christian ideas…. and i feel this person is McCain………Thanks for the conversation……and GOD Bless You Too My Brother…..Although we differ on political views I don’t see you as being a bad person

  • the fact that anyone is praising McCain for his performance in the third debate proves that he and Palin have lowered people’s expectations down to nothing (don’t forget, the VP debates were a tie!)

  • Babs

    I don’t think it proves that at all, movie fan. But then, each candidate has their own supporters who see the other candidate through very distorted lenses. That’s why you feel the way you do, that Obama could never lose, never misspeak, never do something that wasn’t good for you. Many McCain supporters feel the same about McCain, and you both have a right to that. Don’t belittle anyone who would praise McCain – that person can also belittle you for praising Obama. And fairly. And nothing is accomplished with that.

  • Will

    Andy – “u right will……lets kill the baby before it is born….yea then the child will not become a criminal…..what a way to go……..u abviously don’t read the Bible……there are crimes that GOD (I know this is hard for you to understand) instructs his people to put the criminal to death……Ezra 7:25-27 ”

    Andy, why are you dodging my questions? I asked you why the double standard with conservatives being for death penalty. I asked you which of McCain’s policies and solutions to issues you agree on. You’re stretching the truth with Obama and Ayre’s connection/association. Just because you’re on the same board or been in the same room doesn’t mean you promote, sponsor, or endorse somebody’s past actions.

    And you’re right, I don’t read the bible. I stopped reading fairy tales a long time ago. You know why it’s hard for me to understand? Because my mind is not primitive enough to think the world is black and white. Andy, your attitude, personality, and ignorance is disgusting. You come off as an obnoxious bible thumper. If you want to be a positive influence stop jamming your beliefs into other people’s throats.

  • Andy

    will,

    i will pray for you because you really need it. I agree on McCain’s policy on economic growth. if you research how this economy got to this point you will find that McCain in 2005 tried along with a few other senators to open the governments eyes to this sub prime morgage crisis. And let me make it clear that if a person sits in a church for 20yrs (Obama in Rev. Writes church) and does not know what beliefs that church has, then that person must not be very smart (Obama). And you are right i do read my BIBLE every night. It gives my the patience i need to deal with non believers like yourself. You don’t have no idea how to think past the worldy events around you. how sad. so i will pray for you my lil bo bo…..maybe even read my “fairy tale” to you one day.

  • Will

    Andy – “i will pray for you because you really need it.”
    Andy – “And you are right i do read my BIBLE every night. It gives my the patience i need to deal with non believers like yourself.”

    First of all, Andy – my delusional friend, I don’t need you to pray for me. But hey, it’s a free country so go for it. Secondly, define “believer”. Are you a “believer” because you belong to the Christian community? Would the person next to you, assuming he’s a Muslim/Jewish/Buddhist, be dubbed a “non-believer”? I believe in many things, so I really don’t understand the term “believer” you’ve coined. For example, I believe in the big bang theory. I believe in evolution. I believe you’re delusional. So why exactly am I a “non-believer”? What is the criteria to be a “believer”? What patience do you have to deal with when it comes to “non-believers”? I hope not all Christians are as judgmental as you.

    “You don’t have no idea how to think past the worldy events around you”.

    Andy, you’re right, I DON’T have NO idea. But what I do know is English grammar, apparently you do not. And again, prioritize your needs, put down that Bible you read every night and pick up an ESL book instead.

    “I agree on McCain’s policy on economic growth.”

    No sh*t Sherlock. What part of word “explain” do you not comprehend? I specifically asked you to explain why you agree with his policies, I didn’t ask you to name which policy you agree with. Do you understand the word “explain”? Can you apply this concept in every day life? It seems you’re having a hard time expressing your arguments, or maybe it’s just the fact that your post is convoluted with a bunch of religious talking points.

    Sadly enough I know you don’t fully understand the idea behind McCain’s economic policy. I don’t think even think you’re old enough to vote, so the point of my post is to point out that you’re an imbecile, but fortunately you have a life time in growing up. How about you start doing it now?

  • Andy

    will – Andy, why are you dodging my questions? I asked you why the double standard with conservatives being for death penalty. I asked you which of McCain’s policies and solutions to issues you agree on.

    i don’t see the word “explain” anywhere. maybe you need to pay attention to what you are saying. you proved to be a waste of time. GOD BLESS YOU and may GOD touch your heart my lost friend. oh yea if you have not been able to understand what the term “non believer” is to a Christian, it means a person whom does not believe in GOD. but yes you are right, you can be a believer in the world and it will have different meanings. for example, you (will) can believe your smart but i think you prove that to be wrong. have a nice day and smile JESUS loves you.

  • Will

    “Can you explain which of McCain’s solutions to issues and his policies you (so blindly) agree with? ”

    That’s from my first post.

    You just proved my point. I ask you to explain, and all you do is quote me on my second post and then completely go off topic and continue on your religious babbling.

    I’m not even interested why you agree with McCain’s policy, I’m just calling you out because I know you don’t understand it nor how it can help out the economy. You’re just repeating the talking points that you most likely have heard on your favorite shows Limbaugh/Hannity.

    Andy – “for example, you (will) can believe your smart but i think you prove that to be wrong”

    I also love how you make general statements about me without backing any of it up. I’m not surprised though, it goes well along with religion and fairy tale stories.

    When did I claim I’m smart? I said you’re an imbecile, that does not imply I am smart. Your logic is a**-backwards, again, not surprising since you let religion dictate your way of life.

    Stop making this about religion, this is a political forum, not a church.

  • i love mcain but obama and mcain both have good points i dont think people should bash on them just because of the color of their skin see ya.