McCain: “Who is the real Senator Obama?”

John McCain opened a new line of attack today on Sen. Obama rhetorically asking if voters really know him. Republicans have been calling for McCain to unload a bit more on Obama fearing that playing the “nice” card would inevitably end in an Obama victory.

Video of McCain making the statement:

Report from USAToday:

ALBUQUERQUE (AP) — Behind in the polls, Republican John McCain on Monday called Democratic rival Barack Obama a liar as he leveled his harshest criticism yet, and said the campaign boils down to one basic question: Who is Obama really?

Adopting an aggressive tone on the eve of their second debate of the season, the Republican presidential candidate criticized Obama’s ties to Chicago, his legislative record and even his pair of best-selling memoirs.

McCain, speaking about the financial crisis, took offense at Obama’s accusation that McCain opposed regulation that would have prevented the credit crunch. “I guess he believes if a lie is big enough and repeated often enough it will be believed,” McCain said.

The Arizona senator, a veteran of more than two decades in Congress, told his audience that while he is a known quantity the same cannot be said about Obama, who is midway through his first term as a senator from Illinois.

“You need to know who you’re putting in the White House — where the candidate came from and what he or she believes,” McCain said. “And you need to know now, before it is time to choose.”

Later, he added: “There are essential things that we don’t know about Sen. Obama or the record he brings to this campaign.”

Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor said McCain is a “truly angry candidate” who is trying to divert attention from the economy and that it was Obama who warned, in 2007, of the subprime mortgage crisis now blamed for the turmoil in the financial industry. Vietor said McCain has been consistent in calling for less regulation, “proving that he hasn’t learned any lessons from the last banking scandal he was involved in.”

That was a reference to Charles Keating, a savings and loan financier and McCain friend and campaign contributor who ultimately was convicted of securities fraud. Just months into his Senate career in the late 1980s, McCain made what he has called “the worst mistake of my life” by participating in meetings with banking regulators on behalf of Keating.

This is new ground for McCain who vowed to run a “clean” race full of unity and such. That’s fine and dandy, however, it often does not win an election.

  • IndiMinded

    My god, the years really have taken their toll on this man’s memory.

  • Yara

    That was the most pathetic thing I’ve ever heard.

  • JD

    If you ask me, which you were not, I think this is going to be the nail in the coffin for McCain. With this erratic behavior and his in ability to address the economic issue, McCain is only going to dig himself deeper, with his own distraction.

    Personally, I think it is a day late and a dollar short to try and change people who have already made up their mind. And I am refering to the independents.

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    ABC News/Washington Post

    Among likely voters statewide (Ohio):

    Obama 51, McCain 45
    Oct. 3-5. Error margin: 3.5 points.

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    NBC/WSJ
    From national survey, among registered voters:

    Obama 49, McCain 43
    Dates conducted: Oct. 4-5. Error margin: 3.8 points

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    CBS News
    Among likely voters nationally:

    Obama 48, McCain 45
    Dates conducted: Oct. 3-5. Error margin: 3 points

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    From CNN/Opinion Research Corp poll, among likely voters:

    Obama 53, McCain 45
    In late September poll: Obama 51, McCain 47

    Dates conducted: Oct. 3-5. Error margin: 3.5 points

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    NOTE: I understand that this is not a guarantee that people are going to vote the way the polls are suggesting. However, the trend is that people are making up thier minds. We’ll see on election day, though.

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  • voodoofire

    ** Nuked **

    Please watch your profanity, thanks!

  • For arguments sake lets say he is right and has a point. Then this is a test of his judgment as well. He was aware of all this spooky “he gonna getcha” stuff all along and he didn’t care to tell anyone? He waited all the way until less than 4 weeks before the election? If the scare he is trying to present now is true then didn’t he put the country at risk?

    Someone raised this point in another thread. If he’s a possible terrorist in the U.S. Congress and has tendencies to blow things up or has ties to scary people who will do so. shouldn’t he be filing an official complaint with the F.B.I? Shouldn’t he be complaining about how he will change things and protect us so people like him can’t get this far with out being discovered? After all John McCain is supposed to the what stands between us and the scary people. How could something like this slip through?
    They should slam him with all of these questions. Because now the new charge is Obama is possibly guilty of High treason. But the government does not want to investigate him.

    He should be under investigation by Homeland security at least. If someone throws these charges at McCain it will prove that this scary notion is disingenuous.

  • EricF

    im sure alot of you guys will be changing your tune after tomorrow night. everytime Obama has to actually answer real questions from real people he finds a way to say something damaging. maybe this time he will tell us he wants to sit down and have negotiations with Osama. wouldnt surprise me at all.

    Obama = higher taxes, bigger government, more spending and socialist entitlement programs. sorry but that is a recipe for disaster.

  • Bruce

    “Look, is this guy, Bin Laden, really the bad guy that’s depicted? Most of us have never heard of him before.” McCain in 1998, after Clinton shot missiles at Osama

    Though he was not convicted of anything, McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating after Keating gave McCain at least $112,00 in contributions. In the mid-1980s, McCain made at least 9 trips on Keating’s airplanes, and 3 of those were to Keating’s luxurious retreat in the Bahamas. McCain’s wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center; the Phoenix New Times called it a “sweetheart deal.”

    Soooo We want to play the Guilt by association game eh? Foot in your own mouth tactics for McCain. Desperate time call for desperate measures

  • bdjnk

    This speech finally brought out some of the points that anyone paying close attention to Obama realized months ago. That the man is basically a criminal.

    More of the speech.

  • nyth

    “Everytime Obama has to actually answer real questions from real people he finds a way to say something damaging”

    So, when Obama is talking to fake people, he has good policies?

    “Obama = higher taxes, bigger government, more spending and socialist entitlement programs. sorry but that is a recipe for disaster”

    Just like Norway! I mean, those people have the highest standard of living in the world (highest on HDI for 6 consecutive years), one of the best healthcare systems, and free education through college! Disaster!

    In fact, wikipedia has a nice list of international standings for Norway here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway#International_rankings

    Obviously, big government and socialist tendencies are failures.

  • EricF

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway

    Norway is the world’s third largest oil exporter

    Norway was the second largest exporter of seafood (in value, after China) in 2006

    As of 2007, Norway’s population numbered 4.7 million. Most Norwegians are ethnic Norwegians, a North Germanic people.

    so as you can clearly see Norway has specific conditions that make a system like that managable. just because it works in Norway doesnt mean it will work here. im sorry but Norway is a bad example but im sure you know that.

  • Alyson Gerst

    what a ridiculous speech. it just goes to show people just believe what they hear. i watched a clip on youtube where this southern woman was rambling about how obama is a terrorist…the ignorance in this counrty is killing me.

    obama certainly answers questions asked of him. what about PALIN not answering one question with a straight answer EVER, oh yes, except when she was asked about gay marriage in the debate. she even said in the debate, i am not going to answer your question i am going to talk directly to the american people. how arrogant.

    come onnnnnnnnnnn people seriously WAKE UP. quit being spoon fed everything. mccain changes his position on things too, like that the economy is doing well….uh yah…. why isnt it ok to change your mind anyways? a person that can admit they have misjudged something is WAY more honest than someone who will never admit that they may have been wrong about something.

    politicians dont have esp, they are not perfect, they cant predict the future, they are going to be wrong sometimes. they are HUMAN. except i think mccain reminds me more of a grumpy old reptile than anything. and who wants PALIN as the second in line when mccain croaks? doesnt just about everyone think that is TERRIFYING?!!!! she knows NOTHING!

  • JD

    EricF, you clearly missed the point but that seems to be something you do quite often.

  • Babs

    EricF, I think you made a good point.

    And I don’t understand why anyone would say McCain is starting to turn negative about Obama and that’s a bad thing. Doesn’t anyone listen to Obama’s speeches????? For months now it’s been “John just doesn’t get it” “John is out of touch” “John is 4 more years of the same” “John is lying, he’s just making stuff up”, and his surrogates say MUCH worse things than that. Now that McCain has started to fight on Obama’s level, he’s all of a sudden a bad guy. Which proves again that no one has 1st amendment rights in this election except for Obama and his surrogates and 527s. Interesting. And Democrats stand for……..democracy? Right.

  • IndiMinded

    Right Babs. Obama has been fighting dirty this whole time, and McCain has been keeping it clean. Is that what you’re saying? It’s not mud-slinging when he puts out commercials bluntly accusing him of calling Sarah Palin a pig with lipstick? Or those commercials saying Obama’s sole educational achievement is teaching sex ed to kindergarteners?

    I mean honestly, the number of lies / exaggerations / mischaracterizations from both candidates just in the last month alone is nauseating. This idea you have that McCain hasn’t been engaging in it can only mean you haven’t been paying attention.

    This is a new level for McCain only in how insulting it is to our intelligence. This is kind of like when Bush called into question McCain’s mental health the last time he ran. I wonder when he’ll start just addressing Obama by his middle name.

  • Keyzen

    Sounds like he’s talking about himself the first minute 😀

  • bdjnk

    Alyson Gerst

    “…mccain changes his position on things too, like that the economy is doing well….uh yah…. why isnt it ok to change your mind anyways? a person that can admit they have misjudged something is WAY more honest than someone who will never admit that they may have been wrong about something.”

    McCain’s quote is “the fundamentals of our economy are strong” not “the economy is doing well”

    Additionally, it is fine to admit that you were mistaken. Obama has never done that. He just changes his stance and makes it sound like his new position is were he has stood since the womb.

    Obama is a crook. Only people who refuse to look into the details of his past are still fooled.

  • Babs

    No, Indi, I’m saying that up until now, McCain has kept attacks on Obama out of his speeches and interviews, while Obama hasn’t. Both of their surrogates has been slinging mud since the inception. Notice in the video above, McCain addressing the fact that Obama called him a liar. I’d address that, too. It’s about time.

  • Indiminded

    I guess it’s fair to make that distinction Babs, he’s always seemed embarrassed by his own attacks. But if there’s a commercial with his smiling face at the end stating “I’m John McCain, and I approved this message” I’m not sure I really see the difference.

  • Tyler

    “For months now it’s been “John just doesn’t get it” “John is out of touch” “John is 4 more years of the same” “John is lying, he’s just making stuff up”, and his surrogates say MUCH worse things than that. Now that McCain has started to fight on Obama’s level, he’s all of a sudden a bad guy.”

    The difference, Babs, is that Obama attacks McCains policies, not his character. What McCain is doing is just finding openings for a cheap low-blow.

  • Babs

    You have a point, Indi, which just shows at the most that they’ve been even in their attack ads. I remember a month or so ago when Obama supporters started asking him to get tougher, and he did on the stump. The same has happened to McCain, and he is. I see a draw here. Which again begs the question why is the Obama camp surprised that McCain would meet him jab for jab – because he hasn’t before? Before he promised not to? So did Obama.

  • Deb

    Obama can’t really bring up the Keating Five issue because John Glenn was one of them and he is backing Obama. We can talk about how much McCain got from from that fiascal and then we can talk about how much Obama got from Fannie Mae. Seems funny that someone is a senator for such a short time but gets the second highest pay out from Fannie Mae. It is easy to see why. With his ties to Madeline Talbott and ACORN while they were protesting banks for not giving loans to people who clearly couldn’t afford it. And isn’t that a big part of the reason the country is in the financial mess it is in. Of course we can also thank Barney Frank and his friend Herb Moses. Barney Frank repeatly said that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were sound. He and Herb Moses (senior exec from Fannie Mae) openly had a relationship while Barney Frank was on the banking committee helping to write banking laws.

  • Babs

    Attacks on Policy was in Obama’s speeches. There is a difference. McCain has had fair attacks on Obama in his speeches of the past as well. But the Character attacks. Remember back in June when McCain started the character assassinations? And Obama refrained from them sticking to policy attacks and running ads pointing out that mccain was not telling the truth? When Obama was asked he said ” IN all of those ads it looks like McCain doesn’t have anything to say good about himself. He is only talking about me. What happened? His big money supporters were complaining that obama wasn’t fighting back adequately. But on a technicality i guess both are a negative ad. Accusing obama of teaching kids how to have sex and his supporters proudly standing behind it and Obama running an ad of news pundits opinions of McCain’s ads. These are not parallels.

    Now while McCain wants to take issue calling McCain a liar well Obama has a lot more serious charge as of lately to take personal. Did you hear when he asked “Who is Barack Obama?” and he someone yelled Terrorist. And at Palin’s latest rally someone was chanting “Kill him”. This is not the same as Obama saying “he’s out of touch” and “he doens’t know about the economy”.

  • Babs

    Really? He attacks McCain on policy? Let’s recall:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycjJe3CCU6I&feature=related

    This began last January.

  • voodoo:”sorri old man but Obamas gonna kick your ass !”

    And if Obama doesn’t I’m sure you’ll take out your woowoo sick and make sure it happens since you have that voodoo thing going on right?

    Alyson Gerst: “politicians dont have esp, they are not perfect, they cant predict the future,”

    His association with Ayers was not in the future but in the past. Are you going to tell me that Obama didn’t know this man was notorious for being a terrorist, please. Your guilty by association!

  • C.G.

    Do you believe Obama is a terrorist? or that it is possible?

  • Babs

    I watched the video.

    McCain was advocating peaceful occupancy in iraq for 100 years. which you can’t force any expert to claim this is possible.
    That is his policy. Is it a twist? Yes i guess so.Fact check says it’s a twist. But lately factcheck is being discredited when it is in obama’s favor by some folks on this site so i dont know when the others will accept them as accurate or not anymore. Ron Paul has criticized him for this. Pat Buchanana and the DNC. All of this was before it was the General Election. Now i am also subscribed to techvids. Now they have both referenced to each other on the campaign trail and McCain has also twisted policy. But now Obama may be a terrorist? A fellow U.S. Congressman is a terrorist? Hangs out with terrorists? There is no policy here. This isn’t even a twist of a policy.

    But if you think is a parallel of he wants your child to learn how to slap on condoms lol then i give up.

  • EricF

    “EricF, you clearly missed the point but that seems to be something you do quite often.”

    care to elaborate or do you just like telling me im wrong?

  • nyth

    EricF, I can elaborate.

    You had remarks that seemed to be demonizing socialism, or big government in general. I pointed out that there are cases were socialism and big government were not “a recipe for disaster”. Personally, I do not favor the Big Gov concept, but I would hardly say that it will lead to disaster.

    Also, I am curious on why you brought up the ethnicity or Norwegians, and then followed the statement by saying “so as you can clearly see Norway has specific conditions that make a system like that manageable”. This is strongly implying that North Germanic people are more suitable for socialism, or more likely to allow it.

    Regardless, this is off of the issue at hand.

    Implying that Obama is a terrorist at this stage is little more than a ploy to sway the minds of unthinking sheeple, and not give Obama the time to reel them back in. I think this will motivate mild-conservatives who may not have cared enough to go vote before, more than it will swing undecided voters.

  • Dale

    Eric F

    “Obama = higher taxes, bigger government, more spending and socialist entitlement programs. sorry but that is a recipe for disaster. “

    The word socialist is little more than a marketing tool to dissuade people from what is a good idea. A credible government run health care system increases competition because the non-government providers are forced to offer real service or else they go out-of-business.

    An essential service like health care has a demand curve that is waay too inelastic to provide for proper competition, the power of the sellers is just too high and the customer always ends up behind.

    Before anybody tells me I’m wrong, in Australia that’s what we have, and our health care is a lot better than yours, check any stats you want.

  • Mary

    Well, let me just say that it is positively refreshing to have someone with some brains and some insight running for the position of president for a change. Obama all the way!!!

  • Mary

    If socialized medicine were so bad, wouldn’t we see all sorts of European countries emulating the USA model instead?

  • EricF

    nyth, i was copy and pasteing directly from wiki. of course since i make a valid point you attempt to play the race card. amazing. the point was that Norway has a much smaller population than America. they have not been inundated with immigration the way America has. take everyone in America that gets government assistance, put them in Norway and you would see the scandanavian model fall apart very fast. perhaps in your biased attempt to dispute me you are the one that in fact missed the point.

  • Dale

    Canada takes more than twice as many immigrants per capita than the US and they have “socialised” medicine. Australia is 5th, still above the US at 8. As well as “socialised” medicine Australia also has extremely lax social security, people stay on it for years without penalty, we still have good health care and lower unemployment. Our minimum wage is about double yours also and the homeless rate is only a small fraction as high.

    People in the US just don’t seem to realise how poor their government is and how badly it’s people are really treated compared to the rest of the developed world. It’s no surprise that people outside the US so unanimously favour Obama.

    EricF your arguments are weak, that’s why your candidate is losing. Barack Obama will win simply on the policies and how they address the real issues.

  • EricF

    Canada’s 2006 census counted a total population of 31,612,897, an increase of 5.4% since 2001.[75] Population growth is from immigration and, to a lesser extent, natural growth.

    The United States population is projected by the U.S. Census Bureau to be 305,367,000,[2] including an estimated 11.2 million illegal immigrants.

    Dale, stop trying to spread lies and deception on this website. that serves nobody any good. Americas illegal immigrants would equal about one third of Canadas total population. stop trying to mislead people. it took me about 20 seconds to get this information. just stop with the liberal lies already k?

  • EricF

    Maybe you don’t understand the term “per capita”.
    if you do then it is YOU who is misleading

    For example 1 per immigrant per every 100 is a larger ratio PER CAPITA
    But if another country has 1 immigrant per every 10000 it has a smaller amount PER CAPITA

    For example if there are only two people in an entire country and one guy kills the other guy. That country will have a 1 in 2 per capita murder ratio which is incredibly high. But if there are 1 million people in order for it to be a 1 in 2 per capita ratio 500,000 out of the million would have to be murdered.

    Give us the immigrant per capita numbers for both countries.

    And he may be wrong but it doesn’t mean it’s a liberal lie. Because i’ve never heard this before coming from Liberals. Stop with the labels.

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/imm_for_pop-immigration-foreign-population

    17% of Canadians are Foreign
    10% of U.S.A. are foreign.

    Canada ranks higher than us for Foreign Population

  • EricF

    ok i can admit i was wrong but i will say that i didnt see the “per capita” when i first read the post. was this edited in later or i just missed it? doesnt matter because its still misleading. Americas illegal immigrant numbers still equal one third of canadas total population. wonder what that fraction would be when you add in legal immigrants.

  • Dale

    EricF, your statistics took 20 seconds to find because there’s no coherency. Your statistics don’t mean anything, I’m talking per capita, which is all you can really use comparing countries. Dreasden is absolutely right, and seriously, character attacks? Calling me a liar, that’s pathetic mate.

    Here’s the article

    Let’s talk issues and leave the character attacks to the candidates.

    Also, I’d appreciate it if you addressed my other points if you’re going to call a liar. Also, don’t call a liberal, only a small minded fool can fit into simple categories like liberal or conservative, those are weak labels for people without the brain power to make up their own minds on each issue.

  • EricF

    here is something else worthy to note in this debate…

    As with other first world nations, the Canadian economy is dominated by the service industry, which employs about three quarters of Canadians.[68] However, Canada is unusual among developed countries in the importance of the primary sector, with the logging and oil industries being two of Canada’s most important.

    Canada is one of the few developed nations that are net exporters of energy.[2] Atlantic Canada has vast offshore deposits of natural gas and large oil and gas resources are centred in Alberta. The vast Athabasca Oil Sands give Canada the world’s second largest oil reserves behind Saudi Arabia.

    again, anyone can clearly see that specific circumstances allow for these socialist policies. take away the oil exportation and add in vast immigration legal and illegal and the model falls apart.

    its not just a coincidence that every example you guys throw out there have common traits. low population levels and major oil exportation.

  • Dale

    Mate you’ve got no idea. The rest of the world looks at your country and we just don’t get why you let your government get away with it. Ignorant people like you who think you don’t deserve any better. It’s like you’ve been brainwashed or something.

    I went to LA and New York on a business trip last year, most of LA looks like a 3rd world country and New York has more homeless people than I’ve seen almost anywhere. A high amount of oil and natural gas is not the reason why “socialist” policies work.

    The reason why health care is so expensive is because the demand curve is too steep. People need health care, it’s essential. Raising the price doesn’t have much impact on demand.

    We are seeing an example of this now with oil. Oil companies can just keep raising the price it has a minimal effect on demand, so they just make more and more money by raising the price.

    Now imagine there was a free government source of fuel. Say it was smelly, gave poor mileage and reduced engine life but still got you from A to B. How much of a cheaper and better product would oil companies have to make to get you to buy their product?

    The same is true for health care. Even a semi-functioning government alternative forces the private sector to offer a better service at a more competitive price, it’s simple economics, and it works throughout the world.

    It can work for you too if you open your eyes.

  • Tyler

    “Babs

    I watched the video.

    McCain was advocating peaceful occupancy in iraq for 100 years. which you can’t force any expert to claim this is possible.
    That is his policy. Is it a twist? Yes i guess so.Fact check says it’s a twist. But lately factcheck is being discredited when it is in obama’s favor by some folks on this site so i dont know when the others will accept them as accurate or not anymore. Ron Paul has criticized him for this. Pat Buchanana and the DNC. All of this was before it was the General Election. Now i am also subscribed to techvids. Now they have both referenced to each other on the campaign trail and McCain has also twisted policy. But now Obama may be a terrorist? A fellow U.S. Congressman is a terrorist? Hangs out with terrorists? There is no policy here. This isn’t even a twist of a policy.

    But if you think is a parallel of he wants your child to learn how to slap on condoms lol then i give up.”

    My thoughts exactly. Yes, this may be skewing the truth on Obama’s part, but McCain has definately done more character attacking. Denying this is downright irrational.

  • Babs

    Well, Tyler, maybe if McCain is doing more character attacking, it’s because there’s a whole lot more to attack on Obama’s character. I don’t think we’ve scratched the surface yet. Stay tuned.

  • Deb

    Massachusetts has health care reform and the budget for 2009 is $893 million. That is one state. How much is it going to be for the whole country? I think that health care reform should fall under the individual state. During the debate Obama brought up a number of times what the government was going to do. Which included health care. I realize that there are a number of people who don’t have health care but I do and I pay for mine and I don’t want to have to pay more taxes because the president thinks the federal government should cover health care. They have done such a wonderful job with Medicare do we really want them getting involved with all health care? Where do you think the money is going to come from to pay for this and every thing else Obama wants? He says he is only going to raise taxes for the top 5%. Small businesses will not be effected. About 3% of that 5% are small businesses. If taxes are raised for businesses, small or large, who do you really think is going to pay for it in the long run? If you think that the increase won’t be passed down to the middle class then you don’t have a clue as to how businesses are run.

  • Babs

    Deb, he also says he’s going to fine small businesses who can’t afford to furnish health care to their employees. I think he should tell us what that fine is, so I can start saving up.