Palin attacks Obama on Ayres, Obama hits on health care

Funny enough, it seems Palin is more on the defensive than McCain so this post sort of pits her versus Obama right now in terms of who’s attacking who. Obama, for the most part, has been on the attack to some extent, however, his rhetoric has been heating up in the past week. Palin has transitioned into the typical VP role of attack dog for the McCain campaign similar to Biden for Obama.

First, report on Palin’s stepped attack critcising Obama’s past associations from AOL News:

CARSON, Calif. (Oct. 4) – Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin on Saturday accused Democrat Barack Obama of “palling around with terrorists” because of an association with a former ’60s radical, a harsh attack on his character that she repeated at three separate campaign events without substantiation.

Palin’s reference was to Bill Ayers, one of the founders of the group the Weather Underground. Its members were blamed for several bombings, including a pipe bomb in San Francisco that killed a police officer and injured another. Obama, who was a child when the group was active, has denounced Ayers’ radical views and activities.

While it is known that Obama and Ayers live in the same Chicago neighborhood, served on a charity board together and had a fleeting political connection, there is no evidence that they ever palled around. And it’s simply wrong to suggest that they were associated while Ayers was committing terrorist acts.

Nonetheless, Palin made the comments at three appearances in separate states.

“Our opponent … is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, imperfect enough, that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country,” said told donors at a private airport in Englewood, Colo. Palin echoed the line later in Carson, Calif., and Costa Mesa, Calif.

Falling behind Obama in polls, the Republican campaign plans to make attacks on Obama’s character a centerpiece of candidate John McCain’s message in the final weeks of the presidential race. Coming late in the campaign, Palin’s remark could be particularly incendiary, either backfiring on McCain or knocking Obama off his focus on the troubled economy — or both.

Video of Palin making the criticism:

Will this be effective for McCain? I really can’t say. Truly Obama’s associations with people like Wright and Ayres are troublesome for his campaign, however, will voters respond to this as a desperate attempt or a real issue concerning Obama’s character? We’ll see in the coming weeks.

Next, Obama is hitting on the issue of health care, here’s a video report from KMOV in St. Louis:

Report from Yahoo News:

After knocking John McCain as a deregulator of the banking system during the recent financial crisis, Barack Obama’s campaign hit the Arizona senator Sunday for wanting to do the same to the health insurance industry.

“Nothing would be more precarious to Americans than losing their healthcare,” Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius said on a conference call with reporters.

Sebelius linked healthcare to the recent financial crisis throughout the call, and suggested that McCain’s healthcare plan would lead to a similar crisis.

“As terrified as people are about the economic crisis that now faces this country, I don’t think any situation is as personal as health care,” Sebelius said. “John McCain would apply to the insurance industry what he did to the banking industry.”

Sebelius said McCain would “dismantle state based regulation and tie the hands of those involved in consumer protection.”

McCain senior policy adviser Doug Holtz-Eakin defended the Arizona senator’s healthcare plan in a memo responding to Obama’s attacks.

“John McCain believes that American families should be given more choices by allowing them to purchase policies across state lines,” Holtz-Eakin wrote. “In a move derided by fact checking organizations including Fact Check, the Obama campaign used this as an opportunity to falsely accuse John McCain of deregulating health care markets akin to Wall Street.”

Obama has stepped up his attacks on the issue in recent days, calling McCain’s plan a “bait-and-switch” during a campaign stop yesterday in Virginia. Obama’s running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, called the plan “the ultimate bridge to nowhere” during Thursday’s vice presidential debate.

I’ve seen his TV ads running in the local DC market painting his plan as the middle ground between the two extremes of government-run health care and a free market in which, he claims, the insurance companies will run wild. It was actually somewhat effective I think.

If Obama can come across as the candidate focused on the issues, he may be able to play the “higher ground” card. That is, unless, the Palin attacks take hold and he’s forced to respond.

  • Stalin

    McCain campaign finally takes the gloves off. Now lets talk about the other 15 shady characters that Obama hangs with.

  • Frank

    Yes lets talk about that shady characters. That way nobody will ask Palin questions her policy’s for the coming years.

    What is she going to do about poverty?
    How will she approach Russia and China?
    Why should young children be brainwashed with religion?

    stop the dumb questions. Lets talk about shady characters!

  • Voice of Reason

    How silly of us to expect her to add comments of value. According to her, she was thankful after the VP debate for having the chance to answer the “tough questions.” She hasn’t even answered the easy ones, let alone the tough ones.

    I agree there are some “shady characters” in this race. However, it is not Mr. Obama. Let’s not so quickly forget that Palin is “CURRENTLY UNDER INVESTIGATION.”

  • LOL! Of course the Republicans want to make this election about who said what to somebody they may or may not have known 30 years ago. They certainly don’t want to have to defend their miserable record in office for the past eight years.

  • Dreadsen

    I find this funny

    McCain’s camp : Obama rallies around with Terrorist.

    Obama camp hits back: McCain’s health care plan hurts Americans.

    bwahahaha if they call that hitting back they are in trouble. Talking about bringing a knife to a gun fight.

    The news reported it kind of backwards i think. I think Obama hit them with the health care explanation before they hit him with the terrorist association.

  • Jim819

    I think we know how each stands on the issues by now. And if not, we`ll have 2 more debates to go over it again!

    So why not go after character and judgment, especially if one of the candidate`s character and judgment is called into question by all the creeps, etc., he associates and associated with!

    As we`ve seen with Bush the past 8 yrs., character is just as important as issues.

    Of course, the BO campaign is free to go after McCain the same way and has threatened to do just that.

    I say bring it on. Let`s see who has the belly for it. Both will face far worse as President dealing with terrorist, etc., countries!

  • U.S.A.

    This is a sign of panic. To address an issue that was talked about months ago against Obama is stupid. His friends may be a talking point but at the end of the day these petty issues don’t help me or any of you. Fact is that Obama has the plans to help the middle class and that is what matters. If the country is safe, the economy starts to return, and people can see a doctor then I don’t care if he moves his buddies in with him. Leave it to Palin to talk about stupid issues.

  • OBAMA_SUCKS

    This is a valid issue no doubt about that. But we also can not forget the 8 other big associations he has had. The biggest most corrupt one to come out lately is his association and dealings with the voter fraud group ACORN.

  • Jim819

    Never in modern day America has a Presidential candidate had so many shady character associations. And never has such associations been ignored by the MSM!

  • Dreadsen

    U.S.A.

    “This is a sign of panic. To address an issue that was talked about months ago against Obama is stupid.”

    That’s what a lot of Obama haters don’t understand. Ayers was brought up and yelled across the media during the Clinton Campaign. She even brought it up again. Hannity still talks about it now and CNN did a story on obama recently which covered Ayers. But these people want any obama association to get the same amount of Air time as Rev. Wright and if it doesn’t they cry media bias.
    Acorn is actually new so that is fair game.

    Well Obama HIMSELF is going to ring the story of keating 5 i heard. So he will be joining the bringing up old already covered associations story.

    And for more enjoyment look at what paul bagala brings up
    in this video from meet the press today

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/A_shot_across_the_bows.html

    My point is. Both of these guys have some shady associations. Bagala wrote a book all about his associations. But i see this far more from the Right than i do the left. They keep pointing at Obama like he is disqualified because he has bad associations while ignoring that their own guy has probably more since he’s been around a lot longer.

    The only way a logical or reasonable person can be fair is if they say that BOTH OF THEM ARE DISQUALIFIED.

    But now look they have opened up pandoras box. Usually Dems (except clinton) are like Alan Colmes a bunch of wussies.
    I bet they weren’t banking that Obama or the Dems had the balls to drag up Keating 5.

  • Dreadsen

    Jim819

    “And never has such associations been ignored by the MSM! ”

    That’s what they want you to think. Man i can tell you all kinds of horrible DIRECT associations past presidents have had. Now far stretching either. This is the first time everyone decides to yell about it. Bill Clinton has had some bad ones go completely ignored. We can sit all day long and talk about associations which make Obamas seem almost non existent or just as bad. It goes to show you who ALL of these politicans roll with. But for this to only become an Issue once Obama got here begs some new questions.

  • Jim819

    I`ll take McCain`s associations over BO`s any place, any time. BO has a very long list of Terrorist, Anti-American, Racist, any combination thereof, etc., associations who make McCain`s look like Saints by comparison – if only because many are so radical and/or are outright enemies of this country it`s way of life! Many of BO`s associates hate us and the US of KKK! As a reminder, here`s just a partial list of BO`s Slimeball friends, associations, endorsers, etc.

    The Rev. Wright, Lewis Ayers, Larry Sinclair, Louis Farrakhan, the Black Panthers, Tony Rezko, Sen. Meeks, Robert Malley, Auchi, Rashshid Khalidi, McPeaks, Raila Odinga, Father Phleger, ACORN, etc., etc., etc…

    Btw, McCain was cleared of any wromg-doing with the Keating 5. So let BO bring it up.

    This matters BIG time because you show me your friends/associates and I`ll be able to tell you all about yourself!

  • Jim819

    Now let`s see how many Anti-American, Racist, etc., associates of McCain anyone can come up with.

  • Christopher Schwinger

    Jim819, one doesn’t have to choose McCain OR Obama. You want a candidate with NO shady connections? http://www.baldwin08.com

  • Dreadsen

    G.Gordon Liddy,( plotted murders and told other to kill liberals did 4 years in jail for nixon scandal had fund raisers for McCain at his own home which McCain attended) Henry Kissinger( friends for 35 years), John Singlaub, Pastor Hagee, Pastor Rod Parsley (advocates the genocide of an entire group of people), White supremecist Richard Quinn, Charles Keating

    You inflated your list. now if you want to go on one person who knew a person.Here is one example from your list. Like Obama knew Wright and wright knew farakahn therefore farakhan is an association to Obama then McCain’s list will end up looking like a novel. And that is just ridiculous.
    McCain knows George Bush, George Bush is the son of George Bush sr. George Bush Sr. was friends with Sadaam Huseein and has photos shaking his hand. So therefore Sadaam Husein is and association of McCain. come on man.

    Both of these guys are essentially the same. If you can sleep well at night with McCain’s crazy associations and think that his are better with out realizing that all of these guys are essentially the same.

    I agree with C.S. vote for Baldwin unless you want to continue to brainwash yourself.

  • Jim819

    There`s no brain-washing going on here. Reread the post. I stated,

    “As a reminder, here`s just a partial list of BO`s Slimeball friends, associations, endorsers, etc.”

    Thus, I included a few in my partial list who have also endorsed BO. Therefore, Farrakhan`s name is included!

    I think you should read these posts more closely before commenting!

    Btw, there`s one HUGE difference between my much longer list and yours. Many of the people I listed are much more dangerous to this country and it`s way of life!

  • Dude you are getting way out there.

    I know you have a partial list because you have the Black Panthers on there and they have no affiliation with Obama.
    Next you’ll have Fidel Castro and Paul Bunyan on the list.

    Using your logic. The king of Jordan i guess is now an associate. Hell Maliki of Iraq is an associate as well now i guess.
    Farakahan is on record saying that he has not endorsed Obama. Unless you have proof that this has changed.

    YOu dont think White Supremacist groups are dangerous for the country? It’s fine with you that McCain has this type of connection? If you do then i guess McCain is a bit of insurance for your way of life. but not mine. And this is me trying to use this crazy logic of yours.

    But you think a Black bigot who has no connections to Obama at all who has not endorsed him makes Obama dangerous?

  • Frank

    Jim819 said,

    “I think we know how each stands on the issues by now. And if not, we`ll have 2 more debates to go over it again!

    So why not go after character and judgment, especially if one of the candidate`s character and judgment is called into question by all the creeps, etc., he associates and associated with!”

    okay lets talk about Obama’s character.
    – For the last two years his background has been checked by every media platform, every spoken word has been analyzed twisted and taken out of context, his wife has come under attack and the Clintons where after him.
    ALL THIS TIME he has remained calm, respectfull and responded intelligently to every question. How about that for a character?

    Not enough?
    – He has always worked in public service
    – Has always showed respect for John McCain

  • Pats

    Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, Governor Palin has done it again. Like the VP debate, she refused to answer questions as expected. She chose to speak about what she’s comfortable with. Whether she knew the answers or not, is another issue but she has chosen to attack Obama’s past associations again instead of addressing the issues that matter to the American people. What a deviant VP candidate? God help America.

  • Babs

    It’s funny how Obama supporters are crying foul over bringing Obama’s judgment in associates into the spotlight. The point is that they are all radicals and left wingers. You truly are known by the company you keep. Obama has used these people to further his career in politics, he always had an agenda. Didn’t matter if they wanted to overthrow our government like William Ayers, didn’t matter if they just had dirty hands from Chicago Politics, didn’t matter they preached anti-americanism and blantant racism from the pulpit where Obama sat for over 20 years.

    He joined Wright’s church to further his success as a community organizer. He accepted Ayers invitiation into his home and took his hospitality and funds to jump start a political career. He sat on a board with Ayers so the two of them could funnel money back to his former employer, ACORN. He accepted Sen. Emil Jones affection and promotion to shortcut experience in politics to fast tracking his way into positions. He joined committees in congress for the title, yet never held meetings. He made a “bone headed” deal with Rezko to further his career and get a sweetheart deal on his home. He made a pretty speech at the 2004 democratic convention to promote his failing book sales, and it worked.

    Ah, so much material, so little time.

  • Babs

    you can characterize and draw any picture you want. The point is Rev. Wright was in the spot light already. Its over and done. You all act like Rev.Wright is a secret. Propganda is repeating the same thing over and over and over again.

    But to be fair McCain’s associations should be brought all to the light as well.

    G. Gordon Liddy

    Liddy planned and committed the Watergate break-ins, proposed firebombing the Brookings Institution and the kidnapping anti-war activists, and planned the never-carried-out murder of a newspaper columnist, Jack Anderson.

    He did five and a half years in prison for the aforementioned burglary and illegal surveillance, where he was unrepentant and called himself a “prisoner of war.” In 1994, he advocated the killing of federal ATF agents if they came to take your guns, suggesting that you aim for the head because they’ll have bulletproof vests. When called out on it, he said he was sorry and encouraged supporters to aim for the groin instead. He also mentioned that when he went shooting, he labeled his targets “Bill” and “Hillary.”

    Liddy’s donated $5,000 to McCain’s political campaigns, and McCain had this to say about him: “I’m proud of you, I’m proud of your family. It’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great.”

    John McCain sat on the board of a very right-wing organization, it was the U.S. Council for World Freedom, it was chaired by a guy named John Singlaub, who wound up involved in the Iran contra scandal. It was an ultra conservative, right-wing group. The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981 when McCain was on the board, said this about this organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League – the parent organization – which ADL said “has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.”

    Pastor Rod Parsley

    I’m getting lazy now just watch this
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXZbIGJrDkg

    McCain made a knowing and conscious decision to associate himself with a pastor who advocates the violence and genocide of an entire mass of people. He wanted this guy. Saw his character and regardless of people complaining he ignored and defended it until the press decided to run with it.

    Pastor Hagee

    anti catholic, makes sexist statements about women, insulted blacks,etc McCain was aware of this and sought this guys friend ship.

    The only problem I have is acting like Obama is the only one with bad associations. It’s not okay for him to have them but it is perfectly fine for McCain to have them? That mentality is what i have the problem with.

  • Babs

    None of the above is a known domestic terrorist. None of the above launched McCain’s political career from their living room. None of the above said he wished he had bombed more.

    Wright is not over, Wright is just a very important piece of Obama’s history. A history we’ll be taking a long look at again before we vote.

  • Brooklynskyy

    “He who is without sin cast hte first stone.” My, my, my, how amusing the fussing is… From the looks of all the comments we are only left with one choice–choose the lessor of two evils. That is how is has always been and it shall continue my fellow Americans. If you were all expecting a saint, you are sadly mistaken. Politics are a dirty game and we are fully aware of this. So many people with their panties/boxers in a bunch over events they cannot change. Let’s face the music people–this country is in serious termoil. Don’t argue about it, VOTE about it!

  • JD

    Babs,

    You can not admit that McCain has had shady friends can you? You can dish out the medicine but not take it yourself.

    Is there a name for that?

    Hypocrite maybe?

    Still, you spin the truth every which way, babs. EricF and the others are listening so don’t worry. What you are saying is not falling on deaf ears.

  • freespirit

    I have no doubt now – with the economy turning truly sour, that Obama/Biden are going to win the election. If the Reps think they can turn around the sinking ship by trying to smear Obama with issues which already have been brought up 100times by the fox guys in the past 12 months – they are dead wrong. People are now interested for solutions in their REAL problems…The Reps tactic to start a dirty fight is not gonna work this time round – Palin lacks creativity and substance to pull a more credible tactic off…

    I open to take counter bets – anytime. 100bucks anyone? 🙂

  • Babs

    “None of the above is a known domestic terrorist.”

    False
    Bill Ayers is not, and apparently never was, a terrorist. The conventional definition of a terrorist is someone who tries to kill innocent people for political purposes. As Factcheck.org noted, In fact, nobody died as a result of bombings in which Ayers said he participated as part of the Weather Underground. (Factcheck.org)

    “None of the above launched McCain’s political career from their living room. ”

    False
    This was an event for Alice Palmer, not a “coming-out party” for Obama. Obama was invited by Palmer to the event.

    Now back to your first quote
    Gordon Liddy is a TERRORIST by the definition you all are labeling Ayers. Ayers didn’t bomb anyone and he didn’t hurt anyone. He wasn’t even arrested.

    “Liddy planned and committed the Watergate break-ins, proposed firebombing the Brookings Institution and the kidnapping anti-war activists, and planned the never-carried-out murder of a newspaper columnist, Jack Anderson. ”

    HE did 5 years of time and was UNREPENTANT (hmmm who does that sound like) difference is Ayers did no time.

    This guy planned Bombings and was unrepentant got out of jail and tried to get ATF agents killed. Got caught and said he encouraged his supporters to shoot them in the groin! And he labeled his targets bill and hilary!

  • Jim819

    “I know you have a partial list because you have the Black Panthers on there and they have no affiliation with Obama.”

    One more time, read the post. I included a few who endorsed him. And the Black Panthers endorsed him . How do I know? I know because I used to be a glaze-eyed, mindless Obama Zombie. The difference is that I woke up in time and saw the guy as the Inexperienced and Ignorant, Unqualified Fraud that he is!

    “Next you’ll have Fidel Castro and Paul Bunyan on the list.”

    Only if they become friends with, associate with, endorse, etc., him too. Then you can bet they will be on that list! Btw, no dead guys make it on the list. But it has never stopped dead guys from voting for him!

    “Hell Maliki of Iraq is an associate as well now i guess.”

    You got that right and if you don`t know why, you`re displaying your ignorance for all to see!

    “Farakahan is on record saying that he has not endorsed Obama.”

    Yeah. You would believe Farrakhan. LOL! What ever you want to call it, it was bad enough that BO had to denounce the guy in one of his debates with Hillary!

    “YOu dont think White Supremacist groups are dangerous for the country?”

    I never said that. I said that BO`s associations are much more dangerous to this country. Please learn the difference.

    “It’s fine with you that McCain has this type of connection?”

    Maybe not but BO`s are far worse and that is the main point here!

    “And this is me trying to use this crazy logic of yours.”

    No. This is you using your own crazy logic to misinterpret my posts and read things into them which aren`t there!

    “But you think a Black bigot who has no connections to Obama”

    Apparently, the connection was bad enough for BO to alledgedly denounce him. I use the word alledgedly because I don`t believe him. For, Hillary and the Mod practically had to force it out of BO, as he tried to talk his way out of it!

    “at all who has not endorsed him makes Obama dangerous?”

    No, not by itself but combined with all the rest, quite possibly!

    Btw, your FactCheck.org is quite probably in the tank for Obama. It`s the only FactCheck site that`s suspected to be thus far. They have been protecting BO when they think that they can get away with it. We, the JSND Coalition have known them to be factually incorrect in the past. Therefore, as far as we`re concerned, their credibility is shot! I will present evidence of this here later!

    For now, here`s just 2 articles which strongly suggest your FactCheck.org is lying for BO once again about Ayers! Whether Ayers actually ever killed anyone is not the point. The point is that he led a group of political radicals who were responsible for several deaths as reported here,

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5397

    and here,

    http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/s_591517.html

    An Excerpt,

    “…Ayers, describing the Weather Underground as “an American Red Army,” motivated by “hope,” succinctly summed up the organization’s mission: “Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments.”

    “I don’t regret setting bombs,” Ayers told The New York Times in September 2001. “I feel we didn’t do enough.”…”

    TRANSLATION – A Political Organization!

  • Christopher Schwinger

    What I can’t stand is having the Republican news media (FAUX) whitewash McCain and the Democrat news media (MSNBC) whitewash Obama. It’s the stupidest thing in the world to keep on believing McCain is better than Obama or Obama is better than McCain. Both of them have the same agenda: to drastically expand the powers of government and bring America into the North American Union.

  • Jim819

    “For the last two years his background has been checked by every media platform”

    This is untrue. If true, we would have known all about BO`s shady friends a very long time ago and Hillary would be the nominee right now! The fact is that FOX is the only channel that will air this stuff, since the MSM has proven over and over that they`re in the tank for BO!

    “his wife has come under attack and the Clintons where after him.”

    Note that it was MO who made the statement not once but twice before the Clintons went after her. Of course then, the media is going to report this. They almost have to!

    “ALL THIS TIME he has remained calm, respectfull and responded intelligently to every question. How about that for a character?”

    Not always! I remember him angrily walking out of a few press conferences about the Rev Wright. Besides, you don`t know. None of us do. For, none of us knows how this guy`s reacting to this stuff behind closed doors!

    “Has always showed respect for John McCain”

    Not always except for his service to the country.

  • Melvin

    Jim819

    [“YOu dont think White Supremacist groups are dangerous for the country?”

    I never said that. I said that BO`s associations are much more dangerous to this country. Please learn the difference.]

    Are you seriously trying to make a point that Black Supremacists are worse than White Supremacists? Please tell you you didn’t just respond that way. I would hate to think that anyone in this county that is intelligent enough to form a coherent sentence in this day and age would not be trying to make that kind of point about who’s people are worse than who’s. I’m Indigenous American, and that comment to me is like telling me that my people were just in the way; so it wasn’t that bad because white people killed them, and it would have been worse if black people killed them.

    I have an idea for all of you. Try being a HUMAN SUPREMACIST. Learn that fact that no matter what race, place, color, country, county, or creed people come from WE ARE ALL FROM THE SAME RACE (THE HUMAN RACE). Until we as a country get over race the economy, security, and general happiness of our country will always be in danger.

  • PeoplePower

    Fantastic arguments, McCain supporters…(sarcasm)

    Have you included every connection available in the “7 Steps of Separation from Kevin Bacon” as associated with Obama?

    What hypocrisy! I don’t expect Obama to be a saint. You really can’t be and run for office, which is another issue to discuss – *true* political reform.

    Crying foul? I hardly think so. Dreadsen has it right. You’re flapping your jaws over Ayers & Wright, but blow off the associations that McCain & Palin have.

    Palin spoke at the Alaska Indepedence Party convention and her husband was a card-carrying member for years (may still be). The founder spoke awfully ill of this country you so love to defend as perfect.

    Obama joined Wright’s church for political gain? Perhaps, but didn’t Palin recently leave the AoG church for political gain? She wouldn’t want their extremist beliefs to tarnish her run at the VP job…gimme a break! Politics often make strange bedfellows and, again, this is a problem with how our elections are ran – more reform is needed and *more* than two legitimate parties are needed…

    Guilt by association is a poor argument and is simply being done to deflect from the issues that are in need of critical solutions. Do you want real solutions or simply a slight change in direction?

  • Deb G E

    For heavens sake, Barack Obama was EIGHT YEARS OLD when Ayres was in the weathermen. Ayres repented and became a PROFESSOR and has done good works since…STILL, Barack Obama barely knows him. Does McCain want people talking about his loose zipper problem, his Charles Keating scandal support, his erratic and untrustworthy behavior during Navy Pilot days? Why don’t we keep the campaign to TRUE issues?

  • Babs

    I agaree, guilt by association may be a poor argument. So why has your candidate used it for over a year?

    I want real solutions, that’s why I voted today. Guess who I voted for. 😉

  • Jim819

    I will make this simple for you so you won’t type all kinds of gibberish giving me a head ache. WE will focus on one point at a time. Oh and i am dying to hear your explanation of People Power and Melvin’s posts.

    ““Hell Maliki of Iraq is an associate as well now i guess.”

    You got that right and if you don`t know why, you`re displaying your ignorance for all to see!”

    No i don’t know why. Tell us.

  • Babs

    On the Black Panther, issue, they did indeed endorse Barack Obama. Not only did they endorse him, the endorsement was posted on Obama’s website in March, and later taken down by the Obama campaign when it was exposed.

    http://bp0.blogger.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/R986kX-mzMI/AAAAAAAAMJs/EaGBYaYuHZE/s1600-h/obama+new+black+panther.JPG

    Easily googled, it was quite the little uproar.

    Deb G E, Ayers NEVER repented, even said in 2001 that they didn’t do enough. Much more is coming to light on Obama/Ayers, and he wasn’t 8 years old when these things occured. In fact, he’s now trying to say when he allowed Ayers to give him a party into politics at his home that he didn’t know he was a terrorist. Right.

  • True Ayers never repented but he never committed another crime and he never went to prison. Because he wasn’t the one who did these things. Ayers is not a Obama supporter, he has not endorsed Obama. The party was NOT FOR OBAMA either he was invited by a 3rd party.

    But Gordon Liddy who did terrorist acts directly not only didn’t repent, he did time and came out committing other atrocities. Shouldn’t this be vetted? Since what happened in April during the primaries isn’t enough?

  • Babs

    Well, Dreadsen, I don’t know that much about Gordon Liddy, but here’s what I found out about why he went to prison during Watergate. I don’t see anything about being a terrorist here, but maybe I’m missing something.

    “For his role in Watergate, which he coordinated with Hunt, Liddy was convicted of conspiracy, burglary and illegal wiretapping, and received a 20-year sentence. He served a total of five and half years in prison, including over 100 days in solitary confinement, before his sentence was commuted by President Jimmy Carter and he was released on September 7, 1977.”

    Since then, he’s been a movie star, a book author, and a radio talk show host. There were so many people involved in Watergate, to include the President, that I don’t think we still know the whole story or ever will.

    Interesting to note, he wasn’t so bad apparently, the democratic president Jimmy Carter commuted his sentence.

    Ayers never went to prison because the justice system is broken – he skated out on a technicality of illegal wiretapping by the investigators. To say that Ayers is not an Obama supporter is just silly, he was supporting him when he threw the party to introduce him to Chicago politics.

    How do you feel about Obama’s statement that he really didn’t know the guy, after the news has been released this morning that Obama wrote an endorsement for Ayer’s book that is published IN the book?

  • Babs
  • Christopher Schwinger

    Babs, is a traitor any better than a terrorist? I think you’re trying to say that Obama’s connections are worse than McCain’s. HENRY KISSINGER likes McCain and Palin, and ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI likes Obama. Both of them have labored tirelessly to destroy the world population so they can rule the world and take control of its resources.

  • Babs

    Henry Kissinger has labored tirelessly to destroy the world???? As I said before, I give up on you, CS. I don’t know what you’re on, but you need a support group.

  • Kwaayesnama

    I love the fact that Sarah Palin has reverted to slinging mud to deflect the attention from her lack of education and intellect. The more mud she slings the more people she turns off. So you go girl 😉 Wink, wink!

  • PeoplePower

    Babs, and others defending McCain’s association with Keating:

    It is not *just* the Keating 5 issue that’s a problem here.

    McCain’s initial run at the House was supported *by* Keating. McCain used Keating’s jet on numerous occasions and was good friends with him (pr’ly still is). Keating had been an integral part in McCain’s career as a politician.

    That’s a *close* relationship. And, sure, Keating never blew up a building or directly killed anyone, but he destroyed many, many more families than Ayers’ group ever did. And, though I don’t know, I would not be surprised if some suicides resulted from financial ruin caused by Keating.

    And McCain, “Mr. Reformer”, fought for a long time to keep regulation off of Keating’s back. *Then* the Keating 5 scandal broke later, when McCain interfered with the investigation.

    Why do so many people excuse white collar crime as “not a big thing” but call anarchist activities “horrendous”?

    Sure, death is more permanent than financial ruin, but deaths from anarchist activities invariably affect, and harm, fewer peoples’ lives than white collar criminals like Keating, Ken Lay, Bush (of Silverado), etc.

    I certainly am not advocating for anarchist activities, but I think it’s outrageous to down-play the ruinous impacts of what amounts to economic terrorism (to use the hyperbolic rhetoric of this day & age)…

  • Christopher Schwinger

    Babs, I’d suggest you withhold judgment about Henry Kissinger until you’ve researched him more. Kissinger’s NSSM-200 report in 1974 discussed the need to drastically reduce the world population through various political coups around the world. I did not say he wants to blow up the earth; I said he is part of a nexus of people who want to take control of the world’s resources and get rid of 85% of the world’s population, the “useless eaters”. Check out the NSSM-200 before making a final judgment.

  • Babs

    CS, I don’t have to research Kissinger, I LIVED Kissinger. You forget I’m a bit older than you, and my memory is still good.

    You’ve become quite the radical, CS, and I’m just tired of listening to you.

  • Babs

    Hey, CS, here’s a constructive project for you that would be helpful to everyone.

    See if you can verify or debunk PUMA’s tree here:

    http://justsaynodeal.com/acorn.html

  • Christopher Schwinger

    You may have lived Kissinger, but how is it that you didn’t know about his desire to remove “useless eaters”?

  • Babs

    CS, what does it matter, is Kissinger running for President again and nobody told me??

  • It matters because Kissinger endorses people who share his values about a “new world order” and a “League of Democracies”, and international bodies that take control of the land’s resources to maximize political control.

  • Babs

    A victim of William Ayers weighs in:

    http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/09/weather-underground-victim-says-obama-known-ayers-past/comments/

    “Obama has said his relationship with Ayers did not extend beyond serving with him on an education board in Chicago. He has condemned Ayers’ Vietnam War-era attacks, and his campaign has said Obama did not know of Ayers’ radical past when Ayers held a campaign event at his home for Obama in 1995.

    But Murtagh cast doubt on the narrative out of the Obama campaign, saying it would make the Democratic presidential candidate “the dumbest man that ever graduated from Columbia and Harvard Law School” if he didn’t initially know about Ayers’ past.

    Murtagh also alleged that Obama’s ties to Ayers probably go back earlier, since Ayers’ wife, Weather Underground radical Bernadine Dohrn, at one point worked at the same firm where Obama’s wife, Michelle, worked.

    “The Weather Underground launched an attack on our family home … looking to kill us,” Murtagh told FOX News. “I believe if the senator were to come clean and tell us the full story, we’d find out this relationship well predates the fundraiser held in the Ayers home. It goes back to the ’80s.””