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The guilt-by-association litmus test has been unevenly applied during this election cycle.
Gov. Sarah Palin and her husband have been courting the A.I.P. (Alaskan Independence Party), a treasonous Anti-American group who’s founder up to his death in 1993 cursed the American Flag. This is not being taken out of context either. This is not based on sound bites. You have to ask yourself: If someone knows what this groups intentions are before joining or having close associations with them, then what do they think of the United States? Don’t worry, this isn’t spook boogey man stuff that we have been seeing lately on the internet about other candidates. Here are the actual members talking about Gov. Palin and her husband by name and their draw of a plan of infiltration into the hierarchy of our Government.
Vice Chairman of the AIP Dexter Clark talking about Sarah Palin at the secessionist convention.
(citation via Part 1, 5:59 – 6:45)
Our current governor who I mentioned at the last conference, the one we were hoping would get elected, Sarah Palin, did get elected there’s a joke she’s a pretty good looking gal there a joke going around that we are the coldest state with the hottest governor. And there’s a lot of talk about her moving up. She was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town. That was a non partisan job.But you get along to go along she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won’t go into that. She also had about an 80 percent approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership.
Now you just saw it for yourself. The Vice Chairman of the AIP, Dexter Clark stating in October 3rd of 2007 that Sarah Palin was a member. Also note that they were talking about her at their last conference in hopes that she would get elected. Would the Democrats cheer for Joe Lieberman if he got elected into a high office as a Republican? No! COULD this means they knew that she couldn’t get elected as Governor being part of the AIP so she had to change her party affiliation to help further the good and cause of the AIP. And if she is already Governor what is this TALK they are talking about her moving up? Would this be the position she is in now? How would they know this all the way back in October of 2007?
(citation via Part 1, 7:20 to 9:14)
The people of Alaska from what I’ve heard in this room and several other areas are fed up. And if ever there was a time that is ripe for change, this is it. On our own situation, we’ve discussed several options. Do we try to get our case into the International Court of Justice? Or to the World Court ? Several of the native Alaskan organizations are taking that route independent of us. They want to do it on their terms. They haven’t realized in my mind what the potential of their own political party which there are pitfalls of an organized political party. You don’t have any control over who joins that party. They put the X next to it on the registration form, and if they join they pri- they go into the primary and win that primary, they’re your candidate, like it or not. That they uh.. I think Ron Paul has kinda proven that – he’s a dyed-in-the wool libertarian, he came to Alaska and spoke as a libertarian, and put the Republican label on it to get elected, that’s all there is to it. And any one of your organizations should be using that same tactic. You should infiltrate I know that the Christian Exodus is in favor of it, the Free State movement is in favor of it. I don’t know if they even care which party it is. Whichever party seems in that area you can get something done, get into that political party, even though it does have its problems. Right now that is one of the only avenues. And you get a few people on a city council or a town court you can have some effect. I kind of digressed there a little bit.
But the problem remains that you have to be at the table in the existing political realm you have to be a Demopublican or a Republicrat is what we call it.
So you see they give specific instructions and even give an Example of Ron Paul. As a Libertarian he couldn’t have gotten on the big stage in the Primary debates so he had to register as a Republican. He would be in the same position as Bob Barr. They are telling other Anti-American people to enter into politics as trojan horse, under another brand. Like a Republican or Democrat, you can further the agenda of the AIP, meaning you have to pretend you are for the Republican platform when in actuality you have another agenda. Later in the same video they talk about children who dislike America but like Alaska.
I’m Governor Sarah Palin and I am delighted to welcome you to the 2008 Alaskan Independence Party Convention in the golden heart city of Fairbanks. Your party plays an important role in our state’s politics. I’ve always said that competition is so good, and that applies to political parties as well. I share your party’s vision of upholding the constitution of our great state. My administration remains focused on reining in government growth so individual liberty and opportunity can expand. I know you agree with that. We have a great promise to be a self-sufficient state, made up of the hardest-working, most grateful Americans in our nation. So as your convention gets underway I hope that you all are inspired by remembering that all those years ago, it was in this same city that Alaska ’s constitution was born. And it was founded on hope and trust and liberty and opportunity. I carry that message of opportunity forward in my administration, as we continue to move our state ahead and create positive change. So I say good luck on a successful and inspiring convention. Keep up the good work, and God bless you.
Palin shares the Party’s vision, she talks about the Alaskan constitution, but what about the United States constitution? You can see their doctrine and goals embedded through her address to the convention.
Well lets look at their Party’s Vision right from their website:
The Alaskan Independence Party’s goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:
1) Remain a Territory. 2) Become a separate and Independent Nation. 3) Accept Commonwealth status. 4) Become a State. The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party’s founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences.
Here are two excerpts from an interview of their Founding Father Joe Vogler expressing his deep hatred for America
What they’ve done to my state my country, what they’re doing to it every day They don’t even give you time to forgive and forget! They come along with another regulation but you get to thinking. Why the hell do I owe them anything?! And then you get mad. And you say the hell with them and you renounce allegiance and you pledge your efforts, your affects, your honor, your life to Alaska . That’s how I do. I’m an Alaskan see. And I they know it. I’ve told them so to go to hell in every way I can in a nice way. I took a case to the Supreme Court believing in the Supreme Court that I’d rather be tried in a Whore house with a Madam as a Judge there’s more Justice! If they don’t like it then they know where they can go!
The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American Government. And I won’t be buried under their damned flag I’ll be buried in Dawson . And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home.
The Alaska Independent Party holds Joe Vogler’s views in high regard another damaging anti American quote from Joe right on the introduction of their website. They want to make this message loud and clear.
“I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I’ve got no use for America or her damned institutions.” – Joe Vogler
On CNBC when asked about the buzz of her being a V.P. you can see where her priorities are.
(citation via clip)
As for that V.P. talk all the time, I tell ya I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me. What is it exactly that a V.P. does every day? I’m used to uh, being very productive and working real hard in administration. We wanna make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans, and for the things we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the US , before I can even start addressing that question.
The Motto of the AIP “Alaska first – Alaska always” and even though as the Governor of a State she had no idea what a V.P. does but she wanted to make damn sure that the position is something which would be in Alaska’s best interest. Why is this such a major concern? So up to this point the A.I.P. believes that she along with her husband were members of this group. But now she has been selected as V.P. and things are going to change.
Jack Tapper of ABC news tries to investigate this he asked McCain’s campaign if she belonged to this group. They refrained from addressing this charge until the NEXT DAY. (Being that they didn’t know an answer to this makes a person wonder about their vetting process.) Finally they asserted that she was never a member of the AIP. But in response..
“Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, told ABC News on Monday that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.”
But it appears they were mistakenly under impression she was a registered member regardless of her being a registered Republican.
“Gail Fenumiai, director of the Alaska Division of Elections, tells ABC News that regardless of the impression given to members of the Alaskan Independence Party, “Gov. Sarah Palin first registered to vote in the state in May 1982 as a Republican, and she has not changed her party affiliate with the Division of Elections since that time.”
But the next day McCain’s camp claims that she wasn’t a member and it is also false that she attended the 1994 convention. But another member verifies that this is false and that she WAS at the convention.
But Fenumiai adds that Palin’s husband Todd was a member of the AIP from October 1995 through July 2002, except for a few months in 2000. He is currently undeclared. As part of their pushback against the charges of Lynette and Dexter Clark of the AIP, the McCain campaign says that Palin did not even attend the AIP convention in Wasilla in 1994.
But another former AIP official — Mark Chryson, chairman of the AIP from 1995 to 2002 — tells ABC News that “Palin was at the convention in 1994. She was there.
Was she a member?
Chryson can’t say. “She may have been, I do not know,” he says. Their records don’t go back that far.
“Ask Sarah,” he suggests.
I’d love to. But she hasn’t exactly been making herself available to the press.
Is this a pattern? We have Palin the Governor and Palin the V.P. Candidate.
*Palin the Governor was happy to cooperate with the Troopergate investigation. She even said her staff would comply. *Palin The V.P. Candidate will not cooperate with the investigation at all what so ever and now her staff who she volunteered has also changed it’s mind and ignored subpoenas. *Palin the Governor was happy to take interviews from the press, she has given press conferences, we’ve seen her on Glen Beck, CNBC and at the Governors convention when she was more than happy to give her comments on Hilary Clinton being a whiner. *Palin the V.P. Candidate does not give press conferences or take any questions from the press. Only recently has she taken a few interviews. *Palin the Governor has given a very warm welcome and opening for the AIP convention of 2008 with nothing but smiles, has attended the conventions of 2000, 2006 and there was no dispute about her being at the 1994 convention. *Palin the Governor was talked about in high regards at the 2007 and 2006 secessionist convention and was stated on the AIP’s website of being a member and attending the 1994 convention *Palin the V.P. candidate has never been a member and since she has been announced as V.P. now the AIP has retracted their statement that she was a member and now claim that their talk in 2006 and 2007 at the secessionist conventions about her were all in error. McCain camp now claims that her visit in 2000 was only a courtesy as a mayor even though her husband was a member.
Is there a possible cover up post the V.P. announcement? Is it possible that the AIP is covering things up because they realize that if they want her to succeed for their cause they can’t show direct ties to her? They are more accepted in Alaska but they may not have realized that on the national level they would not be accepted supporting anti American views. These are questions that need to be answered but Jake Tapper of ABC news has hit a wall.
Is she a Trojan Horse for a treasonous organization? She obviously likes and respects these people. Where are all the conspiracy theorists who have flooded my email box and burned up snopes with urban legends? This is not that far of a reach from possibly being a real conspiracy and a dangerous one. Why isn’t any one asking these questions?
What are we to think of the McCain camp for keeping this issue from being vetted? And for those in the media who would like to know to what extent is she associated with them, why aren’t they covering this with the same nature as other candidates?(or candidate) I don’t think anyone doesn’t know who William Ayers is. But his actions are of the past and the press fully vetted his connections. Never the less people from the Right still bring his name up. Trying strike fear that someone associated with this man may SECRETLY want to further his agenda from 40 years ago in the white house. Well as loose and far of a stretch his connections are no where near as strong as the connections of the AIP with Gov. Palin.
The common rebuttal is to answer these questions with another question about someone else. But the question about someone else still doesn’t clear up the fear. One person may have motive while the other person does not. Obama has been vetted though the media for 20 months, 20 plus debates, press conferences, questions from the media, many interviews with pundits around the world and has gained the confidence of his supporters and enough skeptics to win a Primary and hold the lead in the General election. All of this tedious work was for himself. And was not intended to be a bill passed to protect all up and coming candidates who have questionable associations. If one person is found innocent of an crime by no means are all future violations by new offenders pardoned. To be fair this issue should be put on trial just like other issues. And anyone who felt it was okay to put Obama on trail but not Palin must have been disingenuous in the first place.
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