Palin As the Treasonous Trojan Horse for the A.I.P.

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The guilt-by-association litmus test has been unevenly applied during this election cycle.

Gov. Sarah Palin and her husband have been courting the A.I.P. (Alaskan Independence Party), a treasonous Anti-American group who’s founder up to his death in 1993 cursed the American Flag. This is not being taken out of context either. This is not based on sound bites. You have to ask yourself: If someone knows what this groups intentions are before joining or having close associations with them, then what do they think of the United States? Don’t worry, this isn’t spook boogey man stuff that we have been seeing lately on the internet about other candidates. Here are the actual members talking about Gov. Palin and her husband by name and their draw of a plan of infiltration into the hierarchy of our Government.

Vice Chairman of the AIP Dexter Clark talking about Sarah Palin at the secessionist convention.

(citation via Part 1, 5:59 – 6:45)

Our current governor who I mentioned at the last conference, the one we were hoping would get elected, Sarah Palin, did get elected there’s a joke she’s a pretty good looking gal there a joke going around that we are the coldest state with the hottest governor. And there’s a lot of talk about her moving up. She was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town. That was a non partisan job.But you get along to go along she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won’t go into that. She also had about an 80 percent approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership.

Now you just saw it for yourself. The Vice Chairman of the AIP, Dexter Clark stating in October 3rd of 2007 that Sarah Palin was a member. Also note that they were talking about her at their last conference in hopes that she would get elected. Would the Democrats cheer for Joe Lieberman if he got elected into a high office as a Republican? No! COULD this means they knew that she couldn’t get elected as Governor being part of the AIP so she had to change her party affiliation to help further the good and cause of the AIP. And if she is already Governor what is this TALK they are talking about her moving up? Would this be the position she is in now? How would they know this all the way back in October of 2007?

(citation via Part 1, 7:20 to 9:14)

The people of Alaska from what I’ve heard in this room and several other areas are fed up. And if ever there was a time that is ripe for change, this is it. On our own situation, we’ve discussed several options. Do we try to get our case into the International Court of Justice? Or to the World Court ? Several of the native Alaskan organizations are taking that route independent of us. They want to do it on their terms. They haven’t realized in my mind what the potential of their own political party which there are pitfalls of an organized political party. You don’t have any control over who joins that party. They put the X next to it on the registration form, and if they join they pri- they go into the primary and win that primary, they’re your candidate, like it or not. That they uh.. I think Ron Paul has kinda proven that – he’s a dyed-in-the wool libertarian, he came to Alaska and spoke as a libertarian, and put the Republican label on it to get elected, that’s all there is to it. And any one of your organizations should be using that same tactic. You should infiltrate I know that the Christian Exodus is in favor of it, the Free State movement is in favor of it. I don’t know if they even care which party it is. Whichever party seems in that area you can get something done, get into that political party, even though it does have its problems. Right now that is one of the only avenues. And you get a few people on a city council or a town court you can have some effect. I kind of digressed there a little bit.

But the problem remains that you have to be at the table in the existing political realm you have to be a Demopublican or a Republicrat is what we call it.

So you see they give specific instructions and even give an Example of Ron Paul. As a Libertarian he couldn’t have gotten on the big stage in the Primary debates so he had to register as a Republican. He would be in the same position as Bob Barr. They are telling other Anti-American people to enter into politics as trojan horse, under another brand. Like a Republican or Democrat, you can further the agenda of the AIP, meaning you have to pretend you are for the Republican platform when in actuality you have another agenda. Later in the same video they talk about children who dislike America but like Alaska.

From AIP’s Website this is Gov. Palin addressing the convention:

(citation via clip)

I’m Governor Sarah Palin and I am delighted to welcome you to the 2008 Alaskan Independence Party Convention in the golden heart city of Fairbanks. Your party plays an important role in our state’s politics. I’ve always said that competition is so good, and that applies to political parties as well. I share your party’s vision of upholding the constitution of our great state. My administration remains focused on reining in government growth so individual liberty and opportunity can expand. I know you agree with that. We have a great promise to be a self-sufficient state, made up of the hardest-working, most grateful Americans in our nation. So as your convention gets underway I hope that you all are inspired by remembering that all those years ago, it was in this same city that Alaska ’s constitution was born. And it was founded on hope and trust and liberty and opportunity. I carry that message of opportunity forward in my administration, as we continue to move our state ahead and create positive change. So I say good luck on a successful and inspiring convention. Keep up the good work, and God bless you.

Palin shares the Party’s vision, she talks about the Alaskan constitution, but what about the United States constitution? You can see their doctrine and goals embedded through her address to the convention.

Well lets look at their Party’s Vision right from their website:

The Alaskan Independence Party’s goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:

1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.
The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party’s founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences.

Here are two excerpts from an interview of their Founding Father Joe Vogler expressing his deep hatred for America

What they’ve done to my state my country, what they’re doing to it every day They don’t even give you time to forgive and forget! They come along with another regulation but you get to thinking. Why the hell do I owe them anything?! And then you get mad. And you say the hell with them and you renounce allegiance and you pledge your efforts, your affects, your honor, your life to Alaska . That’s how I do. I’m an Alaskan see. And I they know it. I’ve told them so to go to hell in every way I can in a nice way. I took a case to the Supreme Court believing in the Supreme Court that I’d rather be tried in a Whore house with a Madam as a Judge there’s more Justice! If they don’t like it then they know where they can go!

The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American Government. And I won’t be buried under their damned flag I’ll be buried in Dawson . And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home.

The Alaska Independent Party holds Joe Vogler’s views in high regard another damaging anti American quote from Joe right on the introduction of their website. They want to make this message loud and clear.

“I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I’ve got no use for America or her damned institutions.” – Joe Vogler

On CNBC when asked about the buzz of her being a V.P. you can see where her priorities are.

(citation via clip)

As for that V.P. talk all the time, I tell ya I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me. What is it exactly that a V.P. does every day? I’m used to uh, being very productive and working real hard in administration. We wanna make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans, and for the things we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the US , before I can even start addressing that question.

The Motto of the AIP “Alaska first – Alaska always” and even though as the Governor of a State she had no idea what a V.P. does but she wanted to make damn sure that the position is something which would be in Alaska’s best interest. Why is this such a major concern?
So up to this point the A.I.P. believes that she along with her husband were members of this group. But now she has been selected as V.P. and things are going to change.

Jack Tapper of ABC news tries to investigate this he asked McCain’s campaign if she belonged to this group. They refrained from addressing this charge until the NEXT DAY. (Being that they didn’t know an answer to this makes a person wonder about their vetting process.) Finally they asserted that she was never a member of the AIP. But in response..

“Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, told ABC News on Monday that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.”

But it appears they were mistakenly under impression she was a registered member regardless of her being a registered Republican.

“Gail Fenumiai, director of the Alaska Division of Elections, tells ABC News that regardless of the impression given to members of the Alaskan Independence Party, “Gov. Sarah Palin first registered to vote in the state in May 1982 as a Republican, and she has not changed her party affiliate with the Division of Elections since that time.”

But the next day McCain’s camp claims that she wasn’t a member and it is also false that she attended the 1994 convention. But another member verifies that this is false and that she WAS at the convention.

But Fenumiai adds that Palin’s husband Todd was a member of the AIP from October 1995 through July 2002, except for a few months in 2000. He is currently undeclared. As part of their pushback against the charges of Lynette and Dexter Clark of the AIP, the McCain campaign says that Palin did not even attend the AIP convention in Wasilla in 1994.

But another former AIP official — Mark Chryson, chairman of the AIP from 1995 to 2002 — tells ABC News that “Palin was at the convention in 1994. She was there.

Was she a member?

Chryson can’t say. “She may have been, I do not know,” he says. Their records don’t go back that far.

“Ask Sarah,” he suggests.

I’d love to. But she hasn’t exactly been making herself available to the press.

Is this a pattern?
We have Palin the Governor and Palin the V.P. Candidate.

*Palin the Governor was happy to cooperate with the Troopergate investigation. She even said her staff would comply.
*Palin The V.P. Candidate will not cooperate with the investigation at all what so ever and now her staff who she volunteered has also changed it’s mind and ignored subpoenas.
*Palin the Governor was happy to take interviews from the press, she has given press conferences, we’ve seen her on Glen Beck, CNBC and at the Governors convention when she was more than happy to give her comments on Hilary Clinton being a whiner.
*Palin the V.P. Candidate does not give press conferences or take any questions from the press. Only recently has she taken a few interviews.
*Palin the Governor has given a very warm welcome and opening for the AIP convention of 2008 with nothing but smiles, has attended the conventions of 2000, 2006 and there was no dispute about her being at the 1994 convention.
*Palin the Governor was talked about in high regards at the 2007 and 2006 secessionist convention and was stated on the AIP’s website of being a member and attending the 1994 convention
*Palin the V.P. candidate has never been a member and since she has been announced as V.P. now the AIP has retracted their statement that she was a member and now claim that their talk in 2006 and 2007 at the secessionist conventions about her were all in error. McCain camp now claims that her visit in 2000 was only a courtesy as a mayor even though her husband was a member.

Is there a possible cover up post the V.P. announcement? Is it possible that the AIP is covering things up because they realize that if they want her to succeed for their cause they can’t show direct ties to her? They are more accepted in Alaska but they may not have realized that on the national level they would not be accepted supporting anti American views. These are questions that need to be answered but Jake Tapper of ABC news has hit a wall.

Is she a Trojan Horse for a treasonous organization? She obviously likes and respects these people. Where are all the conspiracy theorists who have flooded my email box and burned up snopes with urban legends? This is not that far of a reach from possibly being a real conspiracy and a dangerous one. Why isn’t any one asking these questions?

What are we to think of the McCain camp for keeping this issue from being vetted? And for those in the media who would like to know to what extent is she associated with them, why aren’t they covering this with the same nature as other candidates?(or candidate) I don’t think anyone doesn’t know who William Ayers is. But his actions are of the past and the press fully vetted his connections. Never the less people from the Right still bring his name up. Trying strike fear that someone associated with this man may SECRETLY want to further his agenda from 40 years ago in the white house. Well as loose and far of a stretch his connections are no where near as strong as the connections of the AIP with Gov. Palin.

The common rebuttal is to answer these questions with another question about someone else. But the question about someone else still doesn’t clear up the fear. One person may have motive while the other person does not. Obama has been vetted though the media for 20 months, 20 plus debates, press conferences, questions from the media, many interviews with pundits around the world and has gained the confidence of his supporters and enough skeptics to win a Primary and hold the lead in the General election. All of this tedious work was for himself. And was not intended to be a bill passed to protect all up and coming candidates who have questionable associations. If one person is found innocent of an crime by no means are all future violations by new offenders pardoned. To be fair this issue should be put on trial just like other issues. And anyone who felt it was okay to put Obama on trail but not Palin must have been disingenuous in the first place.

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  • Babs

    You usually tell who writes guest commentaries. Doesn’t anyone want to take credit for this one?

    I stopped trying to follow it after 900 words (this one’s 2710). It’s starts to sound a little like babbling after that.

  • Sorry, name has been corrected.

    Seems to me that if the media would examine Obama half as much as Dreadsen just examined Palin we’d have a whole different race. Especially considering Obama’s friendly associations with William Ayres, the treasonous terrorist murderer.

    I won’t hold my breath for Dreadsen to evenhandedly examine Obama’s associations with Ayres in a similar fashion.

    … or will he? 🙂

  • Babs

    He? I still think Dreadsen is a she. 😉

    I’d say examined to death is more like it. Including a video of Palin addressing the AIP repeatedly saying “YOUR convention” didn’t exactly help her argument, whatever the argument was supposed to be. It got a little lost after a while.

    If this one is acceptable to Michael, then I can start a series on the “friendly associations” of Obama’s. I’ll send you the first one tomorrow, Nate. 😉

  • Michael

    Part of the abnormal length in this commentary is due to citations, not the actual words of the commentator. Babs, by all means, send me a commentary.

  • jj

    What a load of crap this article, Blog..or what ever you want to name it~ is..

    It’s CRAP.

    Blathering, foolish and ignorant. Not fit for cyberspace even.

  • jj,

    This commentary is not representative of the fairness of this site overall. We allow guest commentaries from readers, despite the fact that they may be extreme. This article is Dreadsen’s opinion, not to be taken as fact or as an unbiased, impartial news article.

    So please, explore the rest of the site and take the commentary section with a grain of salt, a large one. 🙂

  • Stalin


    You get credit for spending a really really long time on this…but that’s all…wow. Since we are into conspiracy theories, here is a much more plausible one.

  • Hmmm… not very impressed with Palin, anyway, but I don’t agree that seeking independence is anything but a distinctively American trait. That’s where we come from. Many of our founding fathers were horrified by the power given to the central government in our Constitution, which we now ignore wholesale. Secession movements are absolutely valid expressions of dissatisfaction on the part of the people. This has been upheld in the SCOTUS, even in the aftermath of the Civil War.

    As for the “fairness” of this site, I see absolutely no mention whatsoever on the main page of this site of Nader, Barr, McKinney, Baldwin or any other non-Repocrat candidate. The only reason I even found this article at all is that it mentions Ron Paul.

  • Sam Marsh,

    I keep soliciting people like yourself who complain about the lack of third-party coverage, I have yet to have a volunteer.

    I’ve received dozens of emails and yet none of them wanted to volunteer to provide coverage of the third-party candidates, just complain that I’m not covering them. Time is limited for me so I stick to the major parties, though I’d welcome more contributors covering the “non-Repocrats.”

    Will you write some commentary on the topic? I’d certainly welcome it. Email me at if you’re interested.

  • You know it’s obvious that all the candidates have bad associations. But what is worse is out of all of the bad associations that all of the candidates have only Obama has had the bulk of his ran through the media. At the obama debate with hilary they brought up william ayers but at the palin debate they didn’t bring up how she is so in love with these evil people.

  • Babs

    That’s because this is one of those radical conspiracy theories, Ivan. Nothing to it.

  • nora

    You can call the idea that she is working for the AIP possible radical but you can’t deny these facts. It is a fact that she has an association with this group and no one talks about it. The video above shows her giving them a warm welcome. Why does she like these people who hate america? Why did her husband join this group for 7 years? Look at the group and the evidence of her involvement with them. If Obama can be hung for being associated with someone. Then she why doesn’t the media run crazy with this? It is a double standard. huh!!!

  • Jonno

    the connection between Sarah Palin and the anti-American group, AIP has not been adequately explained or investigated. This is a LOT more of a concern than being connected to a group that was protesting the Vietnam war 40 years ago. THE AIP IS A THREAT TO AMERICA AND THE WORLD’S STABILITY.

  • I agree with the last two commenters. What’s sauce for the goose…

  • Jonno

    Google: ‘Alaska Independence Movement PRAVDA’
    Google: “Alaska Would Be More at Home in Russia”.
    Google: McCain Adviser Has Russian Telecom Ties

    Todd Palin has Russian ancestors. The name is derived from Balin, the Yiddish word for “beautiful”. Todd Palin’s ancestors migrated from Russia to Alaska, when it was a Russian colony. His mother is called Blanche, a common Lithuanian Jewish first name. Todd may not know he is Jewish but we reckon he is. Sarah is known to have attended a Jews for Jesus lecture (although we don’t know if this makes her more or less Jewish) and the boy who impregnated her 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, is called Levi (but we don’t think he is one)
    From The Jewish Chronicle

  • Alaskan

    This “article” starts with a lie and goes downhill from there. Joe Vogler the founder of the AIP was murdered in 1993. It was a tragedy here in Alaska. He was a well loved figure statewide. He was not a traitor, or radical. Just a politician. They have no “hidden agenda”. Ask anyone in Alaska, and they would not care about her husband being a member. They are just a normal “third party”.

  • Alaskan

    I am glad we have someone right from Alaska to question about this.

    You are correct on the first line being in Error but not a lie. I apologize for the error and i will submit a correction. The guy cursed America to the grave and the party still cherishes him and sells his audio material.

    Joe Vogler is not a radical?

    Explain this

    “The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American Government. And I won’t be buried under their damned flag I’ll be buried in Dawson . And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home.”

    the audio of him saying this and even worse is above. So it is not made up.

    A man who made statements like that was a well loved figure through out Alaska? So would the hate of America be a common census there? If so then this would explain why no one would care about her husband being a member.

    They don’t have a hidden agenda?

    Well i guess it isn’t hidden because the openly promote infiltrating other parties. They have their own political party so why are they still suggesting someone to pretend they are a Republican or Democrat to get things done for the party? I mean i’m not making this up. The vice chairman said this in the above video.

    They are a normal third party?

    Go on their site they still hail Joe Vogler who has made those damaging statements to this day. They have shirts for Sale which say “Joe was Right”. They don’t even raise the American Flag at their convention they only raise the Alaskan flag.

  • Babs

    His statements sounds a little like Ron Paul to me, Dreadsen. I don’t know of any third party who could not be called radical in one way or the other. Look at Cynthia McKinny’s latest mantel – now the police have taken 5000 inmates out in New Orleans during Katrina, shot them in the head, and floated them out in the ocean. And like I said, Ron Paul is as radical as they come. These two make the AIP sound like boy scouts.

  • Ron Paul isn’t an anti american by any stretch of the imagination. What Ron Paul statements are like This Joe Vogler guy? I didn’t know Ron paul made it blatantly clear that he hates america. And what ever you can think of surely doesn’t make Joe Vogler look like a Boy Scout. These people still love America and want to do things for us as Americans.

    Ron Paul has some views that go extreme like wanting to end all federal programs. But i think we all could possibly better off if we ended Medicaid, Social Security and Welfare. you can’t support some social programs and not the other ones.
    His views are identical to the Republicans before Truman. Less government, less spending and no intervention in other people affairs.
    Well i guess you can kind of say it is radical to want to bring home the troops from south korea, germany and japan. That much i actually disagree with. But he is right about Saudi Arabian soil. Michale Scheuer who was the head CIA guy on the search for Bin Ladin has said that our intervention in the middle east is what puts us in danger. But people here tell us that they hate us because of how we live or because of our freedoms. The two parties or party who have told us that are the radicals. Because it was false from day one.
    So i believe there is a case that make that the current two parties are radicals. WE have just been spoon fed their crap for so long we think it’s normal.

    Here is Cynthia Mckinny bringing up to Rumsfeld how the deparment of defense lost 2.4 trillion. No other main stream candidate has brought this up. We should all be outraged. But if a Dem or a GOP doesn’t talk about it then no one seems to think it’s a real issue or they don’t care.

    Look at our current foreign policy. now we are saying that we wanted to bring democracy to Iraq. Well that is a a radical policy to bring democracy by force. This was liberal Harry Truman’s idea but the Republicans told him he was out of his rabbit mind. They were right. But lord they had no idea this radical idea would end up being part of the new republicans ( neo cons) agenda. Harry Truman would be proud.

  • I was appalled (and annoyed) this weekend by the newest wave of hypocrisy to come spewing perkily forth from the ever-smiling, ever-smirking, perfectly lipsticked mouth of Governor Palin. I’m actually starting to enjoy (for comedic reasons only) her interviews that are nothing more than disconnected prepositional phrases laced with stock GOP pablum. But accusing a sitting U.S. Senator of “palling around with terrorists” is crossing the line.

    Finally informing us what she reads, Palin said that yesterday, while leafing through her daily copy of the New York Times, she came across a story on Senator Obama and William Ayers, the 1960s militant and member of the Weather Underground, the radical and violent anti-war group. And faster than you can say “Darn right!”she saw her opportunity – and her duty. Clearly, she must inform an unknowing nation that Obama is guilty by association with Ayers.

    You, Governor, should know better. As I and many journalists have noted, you have strong ties to the Alaska Independence Party. While it was finally revealed that you technically were not a card-carrying member of the AIP, it was discovered that the First Dude, between his life of high adventure in helping you rule your northern fiefdom, his competitive snowmobiling and fishing, was a member of the organization for many years.

    Yes, it is a free country. You get to associate or marry whomever you want, no matter how distasteful. Yes, Senator Obama served on a board with William Ayers, a former member of the Weather Underground and now a college professor and activist in Chicago. However, Senator Obama has clearly distanced himself on numerous occasions from Professor Ayers’ actions in the 1960’s. This is a non-issue. Perhaps that is why you have decided to focus on it — better a non-issue than having to learn and think about real problems that affect everyday people, like health care, the economy and education. Those, I suppose, are just too gosh darned hard.

    All snarky comments aside, I do have a concern, Governor. A big one. You have never distanced yourself from a radical secessionist movement aimed at the breaking up of the Federal Union. You, Governor, have never stated a single time that the AIP is not only wrong-headed, but outright dangerous. Instead, you have videotaped welcoming comments for their annual conventions. Instead, you have a “close association” with a known former member of a radical, right-wing, well-armed and well-funded political party whose founder damned the United States as virulently as Reverend Wright did. While Reverend Wright enjoyed his 15 minutes of fame, and was rightly slammed for his vitriol by patriotic writers on both Left and Right, the AIP happily continued along its way, spewing anti-Americanism more in line with something Fidel Castro would say on a May Day celebration in Havana.

    And you stood there Governor, like a caribou caught in the headlights. And you still stand there, but now with the audacity to stand at the top of your glass castle throwing rocks at other people. There is a big, big difference between a limited association with someone who had committed a crime 40 years before, and being married to a man who supports the destruction of the United States.

    Who has the closest terrorist association, Governor? Who? If you believe Senator Obama to be the buddy of terrorists, don’t make an unsubstantiated claim. Call the FBI and demand an investigation. If you are just grandstanding for a crowd of racist isolationists who fear the idea of a successful black man who worked his way up from nothing to become a success–a modern day Horatio Alger story if there is one–you should be deeply ashamed of yourself. Look to your own house before you start throwing rocks Governor. For who among us can cast the first stone? Seem like you can Sarah, seems like you are the only exception to the Scripture since about 32 AD.

    I am a loyal American. When Election Day happens, and if the GOP wins, I want to know that the person who is literally a heart beat away from the Presidency is a person I can trust to do the right thing. Someone who will place national well-being above some perverted concept of secessionism, who will not associate with people who are worse, far worse, than a liberal college professor who was immensely foolish — and wrong — in the 1960s.

    Yes Governor, I question your patriotism and your loyalty to this Republic. And I have a hell of a lot more evidence than you do to question Senator Obama.

  • Babs

    Ivan, you might want to email your letter to Sarah to She doesn’t visit our little forum here.

    Lots of venom here, you don’t sound much like a proud american.

  • Jonno

    Wow, Ivan! Bravo. Very well said!

  • Conch

    Hey, while we’re at it, let’s go after those wiley Key-Westers too. A Conch Republic? Imagine the audacity of those Conchs!

  • What Sarah Palin brings to the table has been colorfully coined “Palin Power”. It scares anyone that cares to defend the principles of the Constitution for a lot of reasons, but mainly because her values and beliefs virtually render the dawn of a police-like state. Sarah Palin’s nomination came about – following covert meetings and conversations among members and associates of The Family. One could compare this to how a closed society works.

    To read more:

  • IndiMinded

    I liked Nate’s response, that if Obama and his relations were held under similar scrutiny, he would look at least as bad.

    That’s the same point Obama supporters have made repeatedly when he has been questioned about his associations: if you held McCain to the same scrutiny and standards, he would look just as bad.

    I don’t really believe Palin is an Alaskan secessionist in disguise. But I think it’s undeniable that there’s more substance to it than some of the theories being put forth about Obama by respected people, often in the mainstream media, regarding his ties and associations. I understand not wanting to be too careful, but I think these games of association -without anything newsworthy but association- are dumb.

    It seems a lot of people who disagree with me are still quick to dismiss this out of hand. Possibly because they agree with me, when it isn’t Obama-related. And that kind of makes me smile inside.

    Very solid piece, Dreadsen

  • Dreadsen,

    Again, a little research tears down much of your argument concerning the Palins and the AIP.

    You link to the AIP website but you avoid this statement:

    “Although it is widely thought to be a secessionist movement, the Party makes great effort to emphasize that its primary goal is merely a vote on secession, something that Party advocates say Alaskans were denied during the founding of the state. A plebiscite was, in fact, held in Alaska at the state’s inception in 1958, but AIP members argue that voting was corrupt and that residents were not given the proper choice between statehood, commonwealth status, or complete separation — something they say has been granted to other U.S. territories such as Puerto Rico.”

    Vogler and other supporters of the AIP simply wanted Alaska to have a choice in being a part of the United States, just like Puerto Rico still has today, does that make Puerto Rico treasonous? They do not support secession, they simply wanted the state to have an option before becoming part of the United States. Look at their current platform, they say nothing about secession. You don’t even understand the party or the origins, you just did a hack job on it.

    I don’t blame Joe Vogler, the AIP founder, for his disgust on feeling like the federal government took control of Alaska without giving Alaskans a choice. I disagree with his statements condemning America, but the AIP does not hold a secessionist platform, as you wrongly claim in your article. Where’s your outage of Rev. Jeremiah Wright for condemning America as evil, the US-of-KKK-A, or other ways in which he trashes America? Oh, that’s right, you have a double standard against Palin, almost forgot for a second.

    The AIP now honors the United States constitution and adheres to it’s laws, they just support the rights of Alaska as a state being put first for individuals, such a novel concept.

    Taken directly from the Alaskan Independence Party website, this is exactly what they stand for. I will explain and discuss each and every single point to prove that you are linking Palin to a third-party political organization, not some treasonous group of pirates as you keep making them out to me. In Alaska, the AIP is just another third-party like the Greens or the Libertarians, they’re just for putting Alaska first, big surprise for a state-run party, I’m sure there are dozens of similar state-level parties around the country.

    Here’s the Alaskan Independence Party platform, all 20 parts of it with my explanation, from their website:

    We pledge to exert our best efforts to accomplish the following:

    1. To effect full compliance with the constitutions of the United States of America and the State of Alaska.

    First and foremost, they comply with the constitution of the United States of America, what a bunch of whackos! Sounds like treason to me! 🙂

    2. To support and defend States’ Rights, Individual Rights, Property Rights, and the Equal Footing Doctrine as guaranteed by the constitutions of the United States of America and the state of Alaska.

    They believe in states’ rights, individual rights, and property rights, what treasonous people! They support our rights as individuals as guaranteed under the US constitution! How dare they?

    3. To advocate the convening of a State Constitutional Convention at the constitutionally designated 10 year interval.

    They want the state of Alaska to have a state constitutional convention every 10 years, every state should have that!!!!! Maybe people would learn more about how they’re governed!

    4. To reinforce the unalienable rights endowed by our Creator to Alaska law, by eliminating the use of the word “privilege” in the Alaska statutes.

    They believe in God as a creator, which is probably why you don’t like them. Good for them!

    5. To amend the Constitution of the State of Alaska so as to re-establish the rights of all Alaskan residents to entry upon all public lands within the state, and to acquire private property interest there in, under fair and reasonable conditions. Such property interest shall include surface and sub-surface patent.

    They want the public to be able to use state-owned public land, big deal. They believe in individual rights with “fair and reasonable” restrictions! Again, more states should take that attitude.

    6. To foster a constitutional amendment abolishing and prohibiting all property taxes.

    They want to do away with property taxes! How treasonous! 🙂 Probably like 90% of America agrees, or at least wants their property taxes lowered.

    7. To seek the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska in conformance with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, of the federal constitution.

    The want the US government to give federal land back to the state of Alaska because they believe in states’ rights, big shock there, Dreadsen!

    8. To prohibit all bureaucratic regulations and judicial rulings purporting to have the effect of law, except that which shall be approved by the elected legislature.

    They want to stop judges from legislating from the bench! Who doesn’t agree with that? I totally agree with them, judges are judges, not legislators!

    9. To preserve and protect the Alaska Permanent Fund, Permanent fund earnings, earnings reserve fund and individual Permanent Fund Dividends.

    They want to keep public money in Alaska, though I’m not familiar with the “Alaska Permanent Fund,” but I’m sure it’s a states’ right and individual rights issue.

    10. To provide for the direct popular election of the attorney general, all judges, and magistrates.

    They want the attorney general elected by, and accountable to, the people. I completely agree! I hate unelected, un accountable politicians!

    11. To provide for the development of unrestricted, statewide, surface transportation and utility corridors as needed by the public or any individual.

    They want development of transportation and utility corridors for public use, wow, how treasonous! 🙂

    12. To affirm and assert every possible right-of-way established under R.S. 2477 of July 26, 1866, before its repeal by the Federal Land Management Policy Act of October 21, 1976.

    They want the state of Alaska to control state and public land, not the federal government, I don’t blame them! States should control their own land, not foolish politicians in Washington!

    13. To support the right of the individual to keep and bear arms.

    They believe in the 2nd amendment of the US constitution on keeping and bearing arms, God bless them, couldn’t agree more!

    14. To support the complete abolition of the concept of sovereign or governmental immunity, so as to restore accountability for public servants.

    They want public servants accountable and not immune to scrutiny or lawsuits, we need more accountability in public service!! The AIP is on the right track, no more immunity for public officeholders!

    15. To support the rights of parents to privately or home school their children.

    They want parents to have the right to home school children, as parents should have the right! What is wrong with that? Again, God bless the AIP!

    16. To support the privatization of government services.

    They want to privatize poorly run government agencies and services, who doesn’t? The AIP is a free market, capitalist party, not a big government party, no surprise here.

    17. To oppose the borrowing of money by government for any purposes other than for capital improvements.

    They believe government should be mostly debt free! Every politician should believe government should be debt FREE! More political need to adopt this stance! Ever heard people complain about the deficit! I wish McCain and Obama believe in debt-free government.

    18. To strengthen the traditional family and support individual accountability without government interference or regulation.

    They want to strengthen families and moral values, again, God bless them! We need stronger traditional families and strong individual accountability.

    19. To support the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts, according to their conscience.

    Jurors should judge the law and the facts, according to conscience, not a big deal here either.

    20. To support “Jobs for Alaskans…First!”

    They support expanding jobs for Alaskans, good for them!!

    Dreadsen, please, did I mss the one where they are treasonous and want to secede from the United States? Give me a break!

    The Alaskan Independence Party is nothing more than a conservative Alaskan state party. They are not treasonous, they are patriots! They do not advocate succession, do your homework for once before you regurgitate the Daily Kos or the Huffington Post.

    Big shock, Todd Palin was a member, if I was an Alaskan, I’d probably be a member too because I agree with their entire platform, what conservative wouldn’t? The Palin’s are very conservative and believe in states’ rights so it’s no wonder Todd was a member and she addressed their convention. They are not treasonous, they do not advocate secession, that is a complete and total lie, just research it yourself!

    The AIP stands for smaller government, states’ rights, and accountability in government. Such treasonous positions! 🙂

    I used to think you knew what you were talking about Dreadsen until I did your research for you, now I know to check everything you say against the facts to find the truth.

  • IndiMinded

    You know, you have a funny way of thinking, CG. Essentially you just agreed that Palin was secretly involved with this organization, that the McCain campaign is trying to cover up this involvement – I mean that’s a pretty major story right there, one which is not generally accepted.

    But you insult him because, having read the group’s charter, you feel there’s clearly nothing out of place. I mean come on, if you agree that there’s a secret cover-up involved, don’t you feel it might be worth going beyond reading their party platform?

    Anyway, given that you accepted the major premise of this article, I’m not sure why you felt the need to insult the writer’s credibility. Why be such a jerk about it?

  • IndiMinded,

    Mainly because Dreasen insulted the truth by using words like “treasonous” and calling Palin a “trojan horse” for the AIP. Dreadsen didn’t give the whole story, so direct your anger elsewhere and call someone else names.

    Where is the coverup? Palin was never a member and it’s openly acknowledged she addressed the party as mayor and while running for governor. Again, where’s the cover up? It’s a joke, there’s no cover up! Only myths and lies meant to discredit and destroy her, open your eyes IM!

    Dreadsen wrote this like it was a big secret he exposed. The only thing he exposed is that he didn’t research the truth in his article, nothing more.

    As a result, he’s given me the opportunity to do the research and present the facts, not rumor and speculation as Dreadsen has above. Look for my commentary on this topic shortly, then you can argue with me there once the facts are established.

  • C.G.

    “I don’t blame Joe Vogler, the AIP founder, for his disgust on feeling like the federal government took control of Alaska without giving Alaskans a choice. I disagree with his statements condemning America, but the AIP does not hold a secessionist platform, as you wrongly claim in your article. Where’s your outage of Rev. Jeremiah Wright for condemning America as evil, the US-of-KKK-A, or other ways in which he trashes America? Oh, that’s right, you have a double standard against Palin, almost forgot for a second.”

    Your entire post was selective. You have no rebuttal for the evidence presented in the article.

    Okay do let me ask you. Do you not blame Rev Wright for feeling the way he felt since you support the Joe Vogler guy? What has Rev Wright gone through in the 40’s , 50’s, and 60’s.And what did he see his people go through. You all down play what he and his people have gone through and still say he is evil. You were outraged right? I do not have a double standard i feel that you all hate Obama and don’t want to hold your own people to the same standard. Now i can pick all the nice eye candy things form Rev. Wright’s church website and you will still say he is evil right?

    I am not Sean Hannity. I should not be still outraged about Rev Wright up to this very minute. Okay? My point is Republicans support these kind of people and didn’t have a problem until one was associated with Obama.

    The goal if you read my article was not to say that Wright is okay and Palin isn’t. The point is the double standard the Republicans hold. Your argument is almost identical to Rev Wright defenders.

    But you now have done the same thing with the AIP. You ignore all the rhetoric on their website, their history and the fact they still hail Joe Vogler right now. They should move away from him and his rhetoric instead of selling it.

    How about this platform? You see you can pick and choose things from an organization to present them as good while ignoring the wickedness in order to present a false picture which you just did.

    Now this platform below seems fine doesn’t it?

    “Repeal the NAFTA and GATT treaties.

    These “laws” given to us by the Democrats and Republicans is damaging to the American worker and will eventually put millions upon millions into desperate poverty.

    Put America FIRST in all foreign matters

    The first and only concern of our government should be for the citizens of the United States.

    Stop all Foreign Aid Immediately

    Hundreds of billions of dollars are sent overseas every year while our people remain in need, our schools need funding, our infrastructure needs rebuilding and our citizens fight to keep their bills paid. This money should be used to support the decaying Social Security and Medicare programs, to help send kids to college, and to rebuild our infrastructure. Keep American Taxes in America!

    Cut off trade with countries that refuse to establish strict environmental laws.

    We should promote a fair system that allows for a clean environment in our own country and does not interfere with the free enterprise system. We also promote an aggressive search for and use of non-polluting and clean energy sources such as solar energy.

    Abolish ALL discriminatory affirmative action programs

    The federal government has enacted programs and laws designed for the exclusive discrimination against those of White European ancestry. Promotions, hiring and scholarships should be based on ability and not upon a person’s race

    Put American troops on our border to STOP the flood of illegal aliens

    America is being over run by illegal immigrants mostly from nonwhite countries who do not share the Christian European values of our nation’s founders. Immigration should remain open to all White Christians throughout the world . There is not one single country that does not persecute it’s White Christian citizens such as in South Africa where the violent crime against Whites is at an all time high. The entire reasoning behind the forming of America was to allow one place in the world where White Christians could live together in harmony without any outside interference from those of other religions or races.

    Abolish all anti-gun laws and encourage every adult to own a weapon

    The cure for crime in America is not take guns off the streets but to put more guns ON the streets. Violent criminals should be punished, but law abiding citizens should be allowed to defend their homes, business and families with out fear of the federal government treating them as the criminal.

    Outlaw the purchase of American property and industry by foreign corporations and investors.

    The land belongs to Americans and their posterity and should not be up for sale.

    Drug testing for welfare recipients

    We recognize that not everyone receiving assistance is on drugs, but those who are should not be receiving your tax money. Welfare should be for those who need it – not those who abuse it.

    Repeal the Federal Reserve Act.

    This illegally passed law gives control of our money to a private corporation. We must return to debt free money – interest free currency issued by Congress as prescribed in the U.S. Constitution.

    Balance the budget

    Just as any family must balance their budget so must the federal government. Accordingly all present federal debt owed to the criminal private Federal Reserve corporation should be canceled.

    Rehabilitate our public school system.

    We must remove the humanist influence in our schools and teach fact based curriculum to further the students knowledge not someone’s opinion. Parents should have the option of private or home schooling if they prefer and students should be free to practice their Christian faith in the classroom.

    A flat income tax should be introduced to allow for the funding of community, state and federal projects.

    This should be the one and only tax allowed. It is the only fair way to collect revenue and does not discriminate against any economic class.

    Abortion should be outlawed except to save the mother’s life or in case of rape or incest.

    While we stress the need for a moral and Christian lifestyle, we applaud those women who choose to give life when faced with an unplanned pregnancy. Furthermore, we recognize a woman’s right to self-defense. While occurances are rare, a woman should not be forced to carry a rapist’s seed to fruition.

    We support the death penalty for those convicted of molestation and rape

    The only way to put an end to this cycle of abuse is to stop the sexual abuser once and for all.

    Everyone who can work should work

    A workfare program should be established to assist those who need help for a limited time. Furthermore we recognize that with an end to the insane economic policies which are currently engaged in this country, many families would not be forced into the welfare system in the first place.

    We support a return to parental authority without government interference in the raising of our children

    We want to see the National Education Association and the Child protective agencies put out of business. Child abusers should receive corporal punishment – if they abuse their children then they should fear the law. However, today too many freedoms are being taken away from parents in the so called name of ” child protection”. Child destruction is their real goal!

    We support state sovereignty resolutions

    Each state should be able to officially declare that any power of law not directly given to the federal government by the constitution can be nullified by the state congress. We furthermore recognize that the 10th Amendment means that the federal government was created by the states to be an agent of the states instead of the states being an agent of the federal government.

    We advocate a strong defense department to safeguard American citizens

    We believe that the defense dept. should consist of volunteers of both men and women with women being excluded from combat positions. Furthermore we believe that the defense departments sole mission should be to defend our borders and not those of any other country or nation including the interference into their private affairs.

    We support all U.S. veterans

    We should find those that are missing and take care of those who have come home.”

    Hey that above platform seems okay doesn’t it?
    I plucked it from one section of a website while totally disregarding and ignoring the other entries on their website and the organizations history.

    If you think this platform is okay and associating with this group who created this platform is okay since you agree with the things above or the majority of them then guess what?

    I got that from the

    The Klu Klux Klan.

    There was nothing harmful in what i posted from their site.
    But i disregarded the videos they produce on

    I disregarded all the other links on their site which if you take it ALL INTO CONTEXT you will get a feel of what type of group this is.

    I also disregarded their history and language in the past.

    I basically did just what you did C.G. Which isn’t fair and sure as hell doesn’t debunk the KKK’s true intentions.

    Just like your selective validation, picking and choosing doesn’t disprove all the other FACTS I presented in my article.

    Again I repeat as i stated in my article. My problem is the double standard. How I personally feel about Joe Vogler is irrelevant. How I personally feel about Rev. Wright is irrelevant.

    I also stated that this issue needs to be vetted. She should be questioned. Right now McCain campaign has done all the answers and not one interview asked her any questions about this group. And dont pretend like no questions are deserved because there is no harm. We need to know for a fact from her mouth that she doesn’t share those same views. Right now we dont know if she does or doesn’t.

    But how i feel about how both are treated in the media is the point.

  • IndiMinded

    I apologize for the criticism CG, you hadn’t made it clear that you felt Palin’s involvement with AIP was open and undisputed. But you know, I wasn’t angry. And while I said you had a funny way of thinking (and apparently I just didn’t understand what you were arguing) I did not call you any names. Except CG. I called you that. 😛

    Life is to short, and blood pressure medication too expensive to get worked up over such things.

  • Jonno

    Lynette & Dexter Clark-the chairman and vice chairman- both said on TAPE that Sarah Palin was a member of the AIP.
    Then, when Sarah Palin was being criticized for this, their story changed and they now say that she was not a member. However Todd was registered and that cannot be denied.
    Also every attack and criticism she has made can be applied to herself. She is in a glass house throwing stones. Sarah Palin wasn’t just palin’ around with a registered secessionist — she’d been sleeping with ’em.

  • Jonno

    And, Todd Palin is cc’d on official Governor emails and often sits in on official Governor’s meetings. People in the know say that he is the Shadow Governor.
    He might be a Shadow VP 🙂

  • suesie

    A reality check on Sarah and Todd Palin’s affiliation with the AIP is in order. One can muddy the issue with various explanations, rationalizations and obfuscatory tactics but the truth cannot be hidden, it stand out crystal clear.

    This is much more credible than the Obama story that is being rehashed umpteen times and embellished with lies. Hasn’t done the McCain campaign any good either. One wonders whether McCain is even aware of this couple’s affiliations with a secessionist organization? It appears he seemed rather in a hurry to select his running mate. But then, he’s a maverick. Right?

    Time for this couple to face the press and directly answer questions on this and other serious issues.The press also has a responsibility for asking these questions regarding their AIP connections. Time for McCain and his campaign folks to unshackle this couple and enable them in this process. Haven’t seen that happen yet.

    Sarah Palin should appear on MEET THE PRESS.

  • CNN Covers Sarah Palin and the ALASKAN INDEPENDENCE PARTY.

    Yall praised them for their coverage of Acorn well i hope you praise them tipping the iceberg on this.
    They confirm the obvious that they are a secession party.
    They also raise the question of them wanting to INFILTRATE OTHER PARTIES( like they SAID IN THEIR seccessionist meeting which is on video and documented) like i was asking about. And their possible desire to push Sarah Palin through the ranks. They were talking about her in 2004.

    MSNBC Rachel Maddow covering Palin’s association with the AIP. Lots of information. Taking EVERYTHING IN CONTEXT. For those who want to believe other wise don’t look at these two seperate networks report. I saw MSNBC’s cover of it but figured everyone would just say they are Liberal. But now we have two sources.

  • Deborah Nava

    I only have 1 thing to say about this piece.
    And I thought all this time McCain chose Palin as some sort of Impeachment Insurance.


  • Deborah Nava

    You know what galls me. Here’s the only state in the country that gives each resident $4K a year just for living there!

    Kinda makes you appreciate the movie ’30 Days of Night’.

    I know that was mean-spirited, but how about all the Alaskans who advocate with apparent gusto, arial hunting of Bears, Wolves, Caribou, Mosse and whatever else they can spot through their high powered rifles scope !

    “They” (not all I’m sure) but many just don’t get it!

  • Bill Hedges

    Deborah Nava- What are the hunting rules of Alaska ? Have you checked it out on internet ? Sarah got the money for her State through negociation with oil companies.. Need more like her, don’t we !

  • Jonno

    S. Osetia got its independence after war with Georgia. Now, Russian military bases are all over it. Alaska can be next if Palin will negotiate with Putin oil companies: Russia reaching our way. President Vladimir Putin, looking to restore his nation’s greatness and establish an “energy empire,” has his eye on parts of the Bering Sea and the North Pole, according to a story from Time. The story reports Moscow wants to take control over an 18,000-square-mile piece of the sea between Alaska and Russian Chukotka.

  • Babs

    I don’t know, I got to thinking about the “Trojan Horse” thing in the title. But when I think about “Trojan Horse” and politics together, the image that comes to my mind is a huge Trojan Horse on the lawn of the White House, with it’s belly opening up, and thousands of ACORN workers spilling out to help Obama decide who’ll be in his cabinet. I really wish I hadn’t seen the video of him saying that would happen. The Gang of Three was bad enough. Now they’ll be a White House full of ACORN nuts, thanks to that dadblasted Trojan Horse and Obama. 😉

  • Jonno

    As Montacore said:I hope mccain is stupid enough to ask Obama about Bill Ayers, he will have opened the door for Obama to ask mccain about the keating 5! The Senate should have done more than ‘reprimand’ mccain, they should have thrown all the senators involved out of the Senate!

    That airhead Palin should have checked the facts, when Ayers was considered a terroist Obama was eight years old! Also the “60’s was a time when everyone took action to end the war in Vietnam! Bill Ayers was just one of them.

    Now we know palin is not the all American girl, she is a someone who attended the convention
    for the alaskan independance party proudly with her husband is in big oil and is a member. And now she wants to be vice president of the country of the country she wanted to break away from?

  • Jonno

    Larry King will say something tonight 🙂

  • Jonno

    I agree with every letter, every syllable of this message. Please, let us join and let us jointly express the distress and outrage we feel about the nomination of this moose-killing, animal-destroying person! Sshe has no feeling for our planet, none whatsoever! She has no idea what is going on – or: ifshe has, the she is corrupt more than one can imagine. Money is her ruler obviously! And she has no clue!!!! Out of touch completey! She is only interested in her own appearance, how she looks, how she “comes across” and things like hat. And SOOOOOOOOOOOOO many pepople (MEN???) fall for it. . Is it possible that the republicans do not recognize it? And the Independents? Good Lord! Armagedon with Sarah Palin!
    FYI, The National Organization for Women has endorsed the
    Obama-Biden ticket for just the reasons listed below. They usually do not
    endorse, but in this case believed it was absolutely necessary to take a stand.
    If you agree, please pass this on.

    Subject: Women and Sarah Palin

    We are writing to you because of the fury and dread we have
    felt since the announcement of Sarah Palin as the Vice-Presidential candidate
    for the Republican Party. We believe that this terrible decision has surpassed
    mere partisanship, and that it is a dangerous farce on the part of a pandering
    and rudderless Presidential candidate that has a real possibility of becoming
    Perhaps like us, as American women, you share the fear of
    what Ms. Palin and her professed beliefs and proven record could lead to for
    ourselves and for our present or future daughters. To date, she is against sex
    education, birth control, the pro-choice platform, environmental protection,
    alternative energy development, freedom of speech, gun control, the separation
    of church and state, and polar bears. To say nothing of her complete lack of
    real preparation to become the second (and possibly first) most-powerful person
    on the planet.
    We want to clarify that we are not against Sara h Palin as
    a woman, a mother, or, for that matter, a parent of a pregnant teenager, but
    solely as a rash, incompetent, and altogether devastating choice for Vice
    President. Ms. Palin’s political views are in every way a slap in the face
    to the accomplishments that our mothers and grandmothers and great-grandmothers
    so fiercely fought for, and from which we’ve so demonstrably benefited.
    First and foremost, Ms. Palin does not represent us. She
    does not demonstrate or uphold our interests as American women. It is presumed
    that the inclusion of a woman on the Republican ticket could win over women
    We want to disagree, publicly. If you agree that Palin is
    an irresponsible, even dangerous, choice for VP, please c onsider participating
    in this drive. Gentlemen, send this to the women you know and care for. I know
    it’s tough to understand the way this choice is impacting women, but I have
    never seen so many women so outraged, angry and distraught in my entire life.
    We’d like our voices heard.
    If you agree, PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY! If you send this to
    20 women in the next hour, you could be blessed with a country that takes your
    concerns seriously. Stranger things have happened.

  • Babs

    The National Organization for Women is mis-named. They should call themselves the National Organization for Mutated Versions of Women. They in no way espouse my views as a woman who was one of the original feminists in the 70’s.

    They have absolutely taken the “fem” out of feminists – and replaced it with the “B” word. The same as Planned Parenthood has. They have taken pro-abortionism to whole new level of radicalism.

    Both organizations shame real women.

  • Jonno

    Real shame is Palin with her rifles, her moose burgers, her Creationist church, her mission to illegalize abortion even or rape & incest and her continuing mission to ban books from libraries. She represents everything the world hates about Americans. Wink, wink.

    Watch CNN with Rick now. It will be about AIP