Palin denies, then allows reporters at UN meetings (Update, Video)

Gov. Sarah Palin initially denied reporters from being present during her visit to the United Nations, however, after much protest she reversed her position and allowed reporters in on the meetings.

Video report from CNN:

Report from the Associated Press:

NEW YORK (AP) — Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, who has not held a press conference in nearly four weeks of campaigning, initially barred reporters from her first meetings with world leaders Tuesday, but reversed course after they protested.

At first, campaign aides told the TV producer, print and news agency reporters in the press pool that followed the Alaska governor that they would not be admitted along with still photographers and a video camera crew taken in to photograph her meetings with Afghan President Hamid Karzai and Colombian President Alvaro Uribe, who are here for the United Nations General Assembly this week. She also was to meet later with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.

These sessions and meetings scheduled for Wednesday are part of the Republican campaign’s effort to give Palin experience in foreign affairs. She has never met a foreign head of state and first traveled outside North America just last year.

At least two news organizations, including The Associated Press, objected to the exclusion of reporters and were told that the decision was not subject to discussion. Presidents and members of Congress routinely allow reporters to attend photo opportunities along with photographers and the reporters sometimes are able to ask questions during the brief photo sessions, usually held at the beginning of private meetings.

CNN, which was providing the television coverage for news organizations, decided to pull its TV crew from the first meeting, with Karzai, effectively denying Palin the high visibility she had sought. But after the campaign agreed to let CNN’s producer in as well, the CNN camera crew joined the session.

According to the CNN producer who was let into Karzai’s hotel suite with the photographers just before noon, Karzai was talking about his son. Palin was nodding, and asked what his name is. Karzai replied his name was Mirwais and explained that it means light of the house.

The media were escorted out after about 40 seconds.

Campaign aides subsequently announced that reporters would be allowed to accompany photographers into the later sessions with Uribe and Kissinger.

At that point, campaign spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt said it was all just a “miscommunication.” Earlier, she had said, “The decision was made for this to be a photo spray with still cameras and video cameras only.”

Palin has been criticized for avoiding taking questions from reporters or submitting to one-on-one interviews. She has had just two major interviews since Republican presidential candidate John McCain chose her as his running mate on Aug. 29.

This doesn’t reflect that well on the campaign, however, at least she reversed the position and let them in on the meetings. I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t want footage of Palin speaking with world leaders, they need that kind of footage.

Update by Michael, September 24, 2008

Apparently the McCain-Palin campaign’s initial attempts to block the media from covering Palin’s meeting at the UN meetings and then subsequent brief allowance, which was under a minute and only for photographers, has caused many in the media to ban any use of photography or camera for the events. ABC’s Kate Snow from New York writes on Tuesday, September 23, 2008:

Today, the McCain campaign had said it would allow only one editorial person inside. Now, the campaign is saying it wants only the camera inside with no editorial presence. All of the networks are objecting. Stay tuned.

11:30 AM Update: The networks have voted to BAN any use of the photographs/video in protest.
12 Noon: Word has come in that a CNN producer WILL be allowed to accompany the camera at these meetings. This issue appears to be resolved.

Apparently the McCain-Palin campaign had only wanted photo ops for the UN occasion, which was unsatisfactory to many of the networks, including CNN and the Associated Press. Although the situation is now calming down, some of the national media are still a bit upset. One reporter decided to give McCain’s bus a new nickname in reaction to this recent occurrence: The No-Talk Express.

Hopefully the McCain-Palin camp can straighten this out. A few quick, but sincere, gestures should resolve this.

  • Marie

    These sessions with the press lasted for less than 30 seconds then the press was booted out. The campaign was afraid someone might actually hear the conversations.

  • Bill Hedges

    Marie– Can I count the number of mistakes the very experienced Obama has made ? Or Biden ? How about those two among themselves right now. Check home on this site and read new story. How much experience does Obama have with foreign policy ? Give her a few days and she will be ahead of either. She is a quick study. Refreshing to think she, with 80 % approval rating from her Alaska state, will be part of John’s Presidency. Someone who cares.

  • I see hypocrites


    Under this thread, Rather than talk about what you don’t like about Obama which I am sure is already known, why don’t you recognize the faults of Palin or McCain? They do have faults as well you know. It seems that no one is concerned with the issues but more so with the fight over Republicans or Democrats.
    If you can not talk about the bad and good from each candidate then don’t claim to care about the American people.

  • IndiMinded

    You know I honestly have a measure of fondness, respect, and problems with every person in this race. But Palin is starting to get creepy, am I the only one who thinks so? Since her first major appearance, she hasn’t just stayed on talking points, she’s practically stayed on script! At first I thought they were just easing her into the spotlight, but it’s been weeks now, and she’s had her every word written for her by someone else for almost the entire time.

    And the reason I find this creepy is because she’s become such a divisive figure without saying much of anything. Love her? Hate her? Guys I’m still trying to figure out who she is, and she’s deliberately trying to control the image of who she is – keeping us from getting to see the real her and maintaining the image she wants us to believe.

    Are Americans really ready to rush out and vote for her at this stage? So much so that they find the prospect exciting?! I just plain don’t get it. How can anyone feel comfortable trusting a green politician who won’t talk to the press?

  • Bill Hedges

    I see–You are right in most respects.. Both parties have good points. I have, maybe not in this tread, said that I accept Obama if elected. No protest on my part. The electoria college spoke. I believe I do talk issues, at least the one’s that interest me. ………………….If your last sentance is assumed true, very few people on this site would meet that standard. The primise is flawed. It has no relationahip to my love of my country.

  • Truth


    “If your last sentance is assumed true, very few people on this site would meet that standard.”

    This is the truth if has ever been told.

    There is no way that a person could actually care about the American people and have those concerns in mind as these post go on like they do. Obama done this McCain done that…..They both have good points and bad.

    No matter who you support, talk about the bad of your candidate as well. Show your concern for the people and call out your own candidate when needed. This type of behavior would become more common if the people would lose their biased attitude. These idiots only aid the hurt to the American people and cannot possibly be a patriot unless they correct it.

    There can be differences and topics discussed about each candidate but discuss them all until we get a candidate who is perfect. Don’t see that happening.

  • Bill Hedges

    Ind–Did you see her first interview. It aacutual was a series. Included her husband. At home. There no way it could be called scrpted. The very first one I believe was the sad one. Seeveral times she was misquoted. She told him she did say that. But he repeated it differently. Other news covered it and Sarah was right. The media guy tried to get a negative reaction from her by misquaoting her. . I call that a foul. One news group was with her at least 8 hours. Not turning off camera. They said she was same off and on camera. She does not have 80 % approval rating jerking everybody around. They had a segnment on her husband. If you missed those interviews I bet you can find them on the internet. Obama they say has a army in Alaska trying to take the wind out her sails. I don’t know about you, but I start sticking my head back down when bullets are flying all over the place.. Also she has a lot of studying to do… If it helps.I watched the interviews on FOX NEWs . It has 2 guys name. One starts with H.

  • Bill Hedges

    Truth– When the rule of this site is to be non=bias, then that second I wil follow that rule.. Truth your statement about ,,love of country stuff,, is going a little too far . I don’t enjoy reading every comment, so I don’t.. You last sentenced of of yours is right,,,,for you. I have heard you concern about being bias. I will think about. However, like you, I will do it the way I choice. But I apprectate your idea. Whose knows, personal attacks on this site have actually been going down. They may be hope for this idea. Time wil tell. But, trying to tie that in to one’s love his country, won’t fly. You will get a lot of flack for that

  • Dreadsen

    Republican Commentator Cambell Brown goes off live on CNN about the sexist treatment of Sarah Palin

    Excerpt from the video

    “”Tonight I call on the McCain campaign to stop treating Sarah Palin like she is a delicate flower that will wilt at any moment,” said Brown. “This woman is from Alaska for crying out loud. She is strong. She is tough. She is competent. And you claim she is ready to be one heart beat away form the presidency. If that is the case, then end this chauvinistic treatment of her now. Allow her to show her stuff. Allow her to face down those pesky reporters… Let her have a real news conference with real questions. By treating Sarah Palin different from the other candidates in this race, you are not showing her the respect she deserves. Free Sarah Palin. Free her from the chauvinistic chain you are binding her with. Sexism in this campaign must come to an end. Sarah Palin has just as much a right to be a real candidate in this race as the men do. So let her act like one.”

    Now even the Alaskans are angered that she is off Limits. They outsourced the entire Governors Office to the McCain’s campaign!,0,2158301.story

    excerpt from the article

    “Why did the McCain campaign take over the governor’s office?” the Anchorage Daily News demanded in an editorial Saturday. “Is it too much to ask that Alaska’s governor speak for herself, directly to Alaskans, about her actions as Alaska’s governor?”

    I would like to know where are all the outrages for sexism at? There was a lot of motivation fueled with fire a few weeks ago. Since when did a man get treated like this?
    If she isn’t allowed to stand on her own two feet right now how will she be treated in the Oval office?

    Geraldine Ferraro had a lot of hits and attacks on her family when she was running for the V.P. Slot and she actually held a very long press conference after only being on the scene for a short time. I know it was at least an hour long. She took questions and addressed everything. She took all the fair attacks and bogus ones head on like a “pitbull”. Showed everyone how strong she was. You know the same thing all the men have had to do?

    I know the usual rebuttal when questioning anything about her is “but, but , but Obama. Can’t pull that diversion this time.

  • IndiMinded

    I know the two interviews you’re talking about Bill, but my complaint is that they are essentially the only instances she’s been off-script since she was introduced as a VP nominee.

    I’ve heard that Obama has an army in Alaska trying to figure out how best to attack her (although I only hear this from partisan sources). I don’t know exactly how it’s really playing out, but I mean, come on, of COURSE Obama has people trying to figure out how best to attack her. Just like McCain has people trying to figure out how best to attack Obama and his runningmate Biden.

    Consider the latest McCain ad, ‘Chicago Machine’ – has a nice analysis about how it twists facts and relies on half truths to prey on people’s fears that Obama could have dies with dubious individuals which, in reality, he does not have. The McCain campaign chose this ad because Obama’s been criticized in the past for having unscrupulous associations, and so it plays on his weakness – it’s a good angle.

    But this is politics, and it’s a dirty game sometimes. So what, is Sarah Palin going to just lie low until this whole “political candidacy” thing blows over, because she’s afraid to get involved?

    Like I said, I just don’t get how anyone feels comfortable with her at this point. But maybe it’s more about how uncomfortable they are with their other options.

  • Annabella

    I think it is offsetting for the VP candidate to not want to talk to anybody. It is crazy. How are we supposed to know if she is a good candidate if she will not talk to anybody? As an undecided voter, it doesn’t make me want to run right out and vote for her.

  • If the media wants to know more about Sarah Palin, they’ll just have to hack her email account. Apparently any 20-year-old college student can manage this.

    Honestly, what kind of person is crazy enough to use a Yahoo account to conduct official government business? And now we want to make her Vice President and give her top security clearance and access to all our nation’s secrets?

    Doesn’t seem like such a good idea:

  • Babs

    I’m going to play devil’s advocate here, and use my “weird” and “odd” saying again. Some people would complain if you shot them with a brand new bullet.

    Palin’s rejection of what WE have complained about for over a year is refreshing. Tons and tons of articles have been written over unfair media bias in this election. Tons and tons of articles have been written about how the media is electing the next president with their bias and inaccurate reporting – not the people. We’ve complained and complained and complained about the media this and the media that, and that the media should back off and let the voters have the facts and decide for ourselves.

    Enter Sarah Palin. She agrees with us. She is immediately attacked on personal levels far beyond anything we have ever seen in the media, before she can even step up and say “Hi yall”. So she says I’m not playing in the circus. Her record is clear, do your homework, or listen to the soap opera that is the media – your choice. She’s running for Vice President, not competing in the popularity contest or gotcha games that the media is all about – all of them. She says no games, this is serious. Good for her.

    So now the media whines even more. Because they can’t attack her to her face, they can’t exploit sound bites as gaffes because they don’t get sound bites, and they can’t boost their ratings by saying we’re the ones with the most dirt to dish so watch us, all you stupid americans who don’t realize we’re telling you who your next President should be. Because she won’t play their insipid games with them.

    She is truly a breath of fresh air in this campaign and I applaud her for it.

  • Bill Hedges

    iND–I enjoyed her interview. Missed her husband. I don’t know why she is not allowed to talk to press. i can only guess. i agree about the ads. I did not like, the old .On either side really. .Maybe the debate will help bring the change. Who knows. I personal don’t think she is afraid. But press after her now are much tougher than what she is used to. I saw parts of Biden and Katie interview last night.

  • Bill Hedges

    Ind–Was he sick ?

  • Dreadsen


    HOLY??!! Devil Advocate is right! I can’t believe you found a way to spin this into something positive! LOL!!

    I am now convinced that you are Karl Rove trolling on this site.

    If someone brings up Obama’s proposal to pay responsible dads for playing the responsible role in the family ( i’m not making this up he said this) I will recommend he hire you to spin him out of it!

  • lisaofLA

    First let me admit, I am a Hilary supporter. Had Obama chosen Hilary as his running mate, this election would be done before it was started. But like many intelligent hard working woman, I want to see a woman in board room, someone who can break that glass ceiling and negotiate those golf course. I was excited to see Gov. Palin and intrigue to see what she had to offer. And know, I had no reluctance in voting for the Republican party, if she had what it takes. Then I saw, heard and researched Gov. Palin. Now, I am angry, because at a time when history could have been made, Senator McCain chose Palin. She is becoming very embarrassing. Why not Condoleezza Rice, why not Senator Dole of North Carolina, why not Senator Snowe of Maine. So many well qualified and intellectual republican women to pick, what happen? What was it about Palin? Shame on the Republican Party. Do they think the women voters are that ignorant to accept Palin just because she is a “hockey” mom. This is worse than those reality shows

  • Babs

    *LOL* Dreadsen, I actually know very little about Karl Rove, and what I do know I don’t like. I tune him out. If I’m not mistaken, he’s the one that tried to make McCain’s adopted daughter out to be McCain’s illigimate black child, didn’t he? Sounds more like Karl Rove may be the one starting the Sarah/Bristol rumors to me.

    You have to admit we want it both ways here. We hate the media – but we’re addicted to the media – and all their garbage they bring with them. She has a civil and human right not to subject herself to the claws of the media gods – and they can’t stand it. In fact, I think she gives a whole new meaning to the old phrase “Just say no”. I’m lovin’ it.

  • Dreadsen

    But i don’t think this is her doing. By looking at her performance in debates and interviews in Alaska and on Glen Beck and a few other shows before she was V.P. She would take all these people head on and tell them about themselves. She is slick as grease. Especially looking at how she came out in the convention. This is McCain’s campaign doing. They are the ones who don’t want her to talk to anyone. And it is dead obvious why. I mean look at the rules they added to the debates. I’m sure this was not her idea. I mean look at those women who said those bogus things about her. Imagine if they would have called those specific women out and let her tear them a new #$%&* like other candidates would have done. Her ratings would be even higher.
    This the equivalent of the riled up football team who went through a vigorous pep talk and are charged up like animals ready to go play on the field and tear the other team to shreds.

    Only to find out someone locked the door to the locker room.

  • Babs

    But think about this, Dreadsen. When she was doing all the interviews and debates in Alaska and on Glen Beck no one had attacked her family as white trash. That’s a game changer. I agree with your analogy, she IS slick as grease and I mean that as a compliment. And I think she is being slick as grease in this case with the media and McCain is enjoying the fight from the sidelines. I think she has indeed locked the door to the locker room, and put the media in time out. The campaign said as much – they released a statement over a week ago denouncing the media’s treatment of her personal life and said that when the media was ready to give her some respect she’d talk to them, and not until. Now that’s taking a stand against something fundamentally evil, and I still applaud her for it.

  • JD

    LisaofLA – “What was it about Palin? Shame on the Republican Party. Do they think the women voters are that ignorant to accept Palin just because she is a “hockey” mom. This is worse than those reality shows ”

    Yes they do. They obviously think that women will vote for any set of boobs they put on the platform. And I thought McCain was enough of a Boob.

    LisaofLA – “Then I saw, heard and researched Gov. Palin. Now, I am angry, because at a time when history could have been made, Senator McCain chose Palin.”

    This is the big dilemma. The majority (i can not speak for everyone) of people I talk to have done no research on her and only regurgitate what Fox news or some other media out let’s talking points.

    LisaofLA, you are a breath or fresh air. I thought all of America’s women were turning out to be Mindless followers. It is good to hear from someone who can see through the Palin crap.

    If anyone believed in Hillary or liked what she stood for than there is no way they should be voting because of Palin. They are polar opposites.

  • Frank

    “She has never met a foreign head of state and first traveled outside North America just last year.”

    She traveled outside of north america for the first time last year???

    How can you support someone for president if she knows nothing about the world we live in.

  • Christopher Schwinger

    I feel the same way as IndiMinded; Palin is saying what she thinks she’s supposed to say, as was the case with Romney. I do not trust Palin for two reasons:

    1. Henry Kissinger, whom I think was our most wicked Secretary of State, is chummy with her.
    2. Numerous reports indicate that she has a history of personal vendettas as governor.

    And the third reason? She knew back in February that she was going to be VP, but kept mum because it would be a huge propaganda device for the McCain campaign if the news came out in September. “McCain has listened to the conservative base of the Republican Party!” I think of it as Chuck Baldwin ( ) does, that McCain was such a bitter pill that it takes a huge dose of syrup (Palin) to make him appealing to Americans.

    I predict that in office, Palin will be given credit for giving us lower gas prices and standing up to the oil barons, as a way to assuage the concerns of Americans. On the contrary, the oil barons are the ones who control the two major parties and the media.

  • Truth


    If you can not see that the attacks just take the focus off the real issues then that is a problem. If you love your country then you would be concerned with the issues and not petty bull shit. The problem is that everybody loves their country but only a few know what that means. Country first or wagon talk….your choice!

  • Bill Hedges

    tRUTH–i MADE MY STATEMENY VERY CLEAR. I was respectful ..with no vugarity. I do not wish to discusss that any more. Thank=you. There are many on this site. You can doubt there love of country. Not with me

  • Truth


    I know the regulars on this site have no concern for their country. Most just like to talk trash. I don’t mean to pick on you but now and then I try to see if there are any real patriots out there. Guess I got my answer and proved my point. Continue your wagon talk……

  • Bill Hedges

    Truth– I guess you are the only true American.. I will ask viewers to contribute money for a monument to you, To be place in a honored location in Washington, D.C.

  • Bill Hedges

    News is bringing out McCain attempt to reform Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac in 2006. News said Democrats defeated it. It said Obama was not involved. Seems brave to stop campanging for this pososible $ trillion dollar crisis.

  • Bill Hedges

    D–Just watched news that commented on Sarah rest from the news media. News pointed out that Obama had done the same thing

  • Dreadsen

    In what way did Obama do the same thing? I’ve seen Obama getting press coverage on almost all of his airplane trips while he answers questions. Geeze i can go on and on. The Pastorgate happened and he was trying to put fires out the immediate night later. Once he did that for a few days and it didn’t work he gave the race speech. We can go all day long on too many scenerios.
    I’m just dying to hear how someone has stretched this to be another ” just like obama so it cancels out” excuse.

    What news was this?

  • Bill Hedges

    Obama took a break from the news earlier in the race

  • Bill Hedges

    Same news that showed video of McCain in 2006 trying to get reform for Freddy and Fanny. That democrat failed. And Obama was in congress, and did nothing. And with this Country in finance and Market melt down present, John puts race on hold. I am sorry I don’t rcall the dates they gave. It will be repeated, so I will try to get the dates for you.

  • Dreadsen

    Oh they are talking about taking a break. But you have to actually engage in something for a while to actually take a break from it.

    Anyway we aren’t talking about McCain and fanny and freddy. There is another thread where you can throw those types of jabs which won’t derail the topic. We are talking about not dealing with the media.

  • Bill Hedges

    I will say it real plan for you. you have been talking about Sarah not talking to press. Hiding!!!. Well. Obama did that a while back. Too. I will try to get those dates for you.

  • Bill Hedges

    Those jabs about f/f is a fact. obama was in congress for 2006 and john try to stop what we now have. i guess you don’t understand john try to stop this. give him no credit for that d.

  • Dreadsen


    Yeah i’m dying to see this.

    But she has been hid in her entire existence.
    This is not a comparison.

    Out of a 20 month campaign of nearly well over 23 or so debates, interviews with people around the world and on multiple news channels tons of press conferences on various things and on every single controversy.
    I will try to think of a few things. I know when Rezko happened he did not talk as much as people wanted to. I remember he had a press conference then people got mad because he didn’t stay and answer more questions when he had answered 12 or so. And it was an on the fly conference. That is different from not allowing a press conference at all.
    Maybe they are talking about the break he took when he went to Hawaii. McCain took a break like that too.

    Example. If a person has a job but takes a vacation a couple of times you can not say that this time off from work is a parallel to another person who has never held a job.

  • Dreadsen


    We can discuss that in the fanny mae freddy mac thread if you like.

  • Bill Hedges

    D– I think we both know my saying this will not change your mind. What I saw occured on O’reilly Factor. I do not watch this much, but I see it comes on again. Sure it is a repeat. So, if you would like to watch it you can. the video of 2006 McCain on f/f reform . And dates Obama took break from press. Prehaps our discussion is a waste. If you want to watch it, if you can and want to. Does that sound fair.

  • Dreadsen

    Bill I understand the logic. And i’ve never raised an argument about McCain and fannie mae. I believe you have raised that point many many times on multiple topics. I saw someone raise an argument that Obama had a stance on something which was a warning about this as well. But that isn’t what i was discussing.
    My point is taking a break from the press is not the equivalent of ignoring them from day one.

  • Bill Hedges

    D- I am sure you are right that Obama has done something. I knwow little about Obama. Just a little. I have said no protest fromh me if he becomes President. The Electorial College spoke. But she has been interviewed.Yes, I would like her to aswer the Alaska question. I see no problems there. Her first interview the guy misquoted her trying to hang her on a relion issue. She needs a lot of education. Press will come at you from all sides…………………. I am saying, as Sarah is doing now, Obama did that too in the past. The same as Sarah. I will be glad to get the dates if I can. Or you can watch O’Reilly if you wasnt to.

  • Dreadsen


    don’t you think they would have done better if they would have just focused on her knowledge of Executive experience. We have had other presidents who didn’t have much foreign policy experience. Bill Clinton didnt have any foreign policy experience and daddy bush definitely had him totally trounced in this department. Huckabee was saying in one of the repub debates that the governors have the same offices that they presidents do in regards to the economy.

  • Dreadsen

    I meant to post this in the Katie Couric thread

    But since i did i think if they focused on economy due to her being a governor they could turn her loose and she would be fine.

  • Bill Hedges

    D- Daddy Bush lost because he raised taxes..Bill Clinton is one of the best speakers of our times. One thing difers Sarah from other Governor. She did receive government briefing. With Aaska location and all. Plus the State guard is used for National defense. That is why she said some things about Russia that made no sense. She might be required to be quiet, top secret and all. A little know fact. I think because of McCain age, she catches it on the foreghn thing

  • Bill Hedges

    D– I saw tonight a short interview with Katie . Was short

  • Dreadsen

    Yes but i believe the national guard can only be used for foreign policy purposes by the pentagon. I believe she can dispatch them for humanitarian purposes only like in the event of a natural disaster.

  • Bill Hedges

    D– I am saying national guard is being used on regula bases by pentagon for national defense

  • Bill Hedges

    Because of their use, she is being briefed. Because she in not in control of national control at that time

  • Bill Hedges

    D– My mind wondered. My sugar was low. I am diabetic. If you read something of mine and it doesn’t make sense. At least for me. That’s more than likely it. I was talking about national guard in Iraq. I best get off, take a reading, and get my system back to normal

  • I’m guessing Bill your sugar is low most of the time?

  • Babs

    Cheap shot, pudding. I’m guessing you’re high most of the time. 😉

    CS, you said:

    “I do not trust Palin for two reasons:

    1. Henry Kissinger, whom I think was our most wicked Secretary of State, is chummy with her.”

    And do you trust Obama? Because he has a lot more associations with people like Bill Ayers he’s chummy with. What’s your position on that?

  • Dreadsen

    Yeah and all those Republicans on the Board with Ayers along with a bunch of other politicians working on Education reform for Chicago.

  • Babs

    Are any of those running for President? 😉

  • Dreadsen

    So anyone who works on a bi partisan board for education with most of politicians in Chicago are now disqualified from running for president?

  • susan

    You are dilutional,J/M will not win this election,Miss Alaska will not be the Veep.Thank-Christ.Sarah Palin should be thank-you to have been so lucky as to have been given the gift as Gov of Alaska.Go home Sarah and take care of your family problems,you have a handicap child!!!!!!!!!! or your daughter does?In any case GO HOME Sarah.

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