Palin draws crowd of 60,000 in Florida

In a heavily Republican-leaning area of Florida north of Orlando, Gov. Palin drew a crowd nearing 60,000 people turning out for a rally. Clearly the media has to think twice if the excitement over Palin among conservatives is fading or not. No doubt the conservative Republican retirement community she visited also helped. As reported back in May, Barack Obama drew a crowd of 80,000 or so in Portland, Oregon, a very Democratic area in a blue state.

Report on Palin’s crowd from Fox News:

THE VILLAGES, Fla. — Sarah Palin played it safe Sunday on her first trip as John McCain’s running mate to the battleground state of Florida, drawing a massive crowd of 60,000 people.

She went to perhaps the easiest place in Florida to get a large Republican turnout, stuck mostly to the themes she’s hit since the Republican convention and took no questions from reporters or the crowd.

But she was welcomed like a star, with tens of thousands cramming into a plaza and nearby streets in this enormous retirement community about an hour north of Orlando. Some waited more than five hours in 92-degree heat to see her speak for 23 minutes.

Palin arrived in Florida on Friday and had no public events Saturday, though she told the crowd her daughters Piper and Willow got to go to Disney World.

After some jokes about the difference between golfing in Florida and Alaska, her remarks hit most of the same points she’s made since McCain chose her as the first woman to run as a Republican vice presidential nominee. She did, however, update the stump speech to reflect last week’s turmoil in the financial markets.

“We need serious reform on Wall Street. We need better regulation. It’s like Senator McCain said just yesterday — we don’t need a dozen federal agencies doing the job badly, we need the best agencies doing the job right,” she said.

She said McCain had warned about the problems affecting financial institutions, and attacked Democrat Barack Obama on the issue.

“This week when the economic crisis threatened the livelihood of millions of Americans, John McCain took a clear stand and he offered his own recovery plan. Our opponent refused to even take a stand on the position,” Palin said.

As I was labeling in “Obama-mania” back then, perhaps “Palin-mania” is still going strong with the Republican base.

  • Christopher Schwinger

    I’m hearing a lot of people talking about how they want Palin to be President instead of McCain. I think it’s remarkable that the media can do so much to change public opinion. Back in January, people felt angry and helpless as McCain was winning. Since then, the media bombardment has been so prolonged, and rumors about Obama have been so continual, that many conservatives will vote for what they think is the lesser of two evils (McCain). However, a third party may take center stage; who knows?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kQxnut5RVw – sad, funny, and true all at the same time!

  • I think Palin is more popular at the moment that McCain and she’s definitely creating more interest than if McCain had picked Lieberman, Romney or some other ‘interesting’ character.

    I predict that when the VP’s have their debate she’ll either go dramatically up or down in ratings.

  • Frank

    I dont understand the enthousiasm from the voters for Palin.

    You could argue over the fact that McCain is a third Bush. Palin however is an exact copy of Bush if you look at the policys. And i thought we had all agreed that the policys of George Bush where disastrous.

  • JD

    nzpudding – “I predict that when the VP’s have their debate she’ll either go dramatically up or down in ratings.”

    I am not sure it will really matter. If she does bad, they will cry that she was picked on or the questions weren’t fair… or that they asked her about the bush doctrine.

    The Conservative base is not going to fall out of love with Palin even if she ends up looking like a hockey mom who just got her passport a couple years ago and has the exact same persona as the current president we have in office.

  • Geoff

    Palin is the media darling right now. That is unfortunate for Obama. The majority of his campaign success has been becasue he was THE story. That is not the case anymore and he is suffering becasuse it. If Palin continues to be THE story for the next 6 weeks or so the election will go to the Republicans. If something or someone else comes along to become THE story then this election could still go either way

  • Babs

    I think it’s interesting to note that even as Palin draws the same size crowds Obama does, she doesn’t change who she is or what she stands for. We’ve seen the “star” status – the big crowds, the fainting women – go to Obama’s head. But Sarah stays on message – McCain’s message, and that’s her job. She’s doing a great job, and so far hasn’t called on anyone to do the “patriotic” thing and pay more taxes.

    Oh and Frank, I never agreed that Bush’s policies were disastrous. I also don’t believe Palin is “George Bush in earrings” as the Maryland Senator said Friday at Biden’s rally. I do, however, thing the Maryland Senator is a disgraceful pig in lipstick. 😉

  • Kenny

    I think the estimate is wrong. The McSame people have been nudging estimates all over the place. 60,ooo is a football stadium’s fill. C’mon get real.

  • Sam Douthit

    George Bush, is not so bad when you consider the rough time he has had since taking over a failing economy and then having the WTC 9/11 crisis. He has pulled us through. He was to eventually turn around Iraq after selecting a new general (Petraeus) Which reminded me of the time of Lincoln and General Grant who took over from McClellan.
    Palin is a breath of fresh air but you notice that ahe is a cheerleader for McCain, the only candidate that ever really fought for you. You either vote for a hero or a zero.

  • JD

    Babs – “she doesn’t change who she is or what she stands for”

    lol. She would never change her stance on the issues. The bridge to Nowhere or the issue of climate change are just a couple that are coming to mind. Indeed she is a pitbull with lipstick… one that should never be let off it’s chain.

    Smith – “You either vote for a hero or a zero.”

    That is why I am voting for Obama. We need a hero in the white house

  • DeeBee

    “Estimates ranged for 25,000 to 60,000” according to the Orlando Sentinel.com. That’s a heckuva difference in numbers. And Palin is definitely getting all the media attention, albeit for the wrong reasons (“Troopergate”, bridge to nowhere, making victims pay for rape kits, etc..). Staying on message is one thing, repeating slogans over and over again is something completely different.

  • OBAMA_SUCKS

    First off stop with your stupid crap about the crowd size. The only reason all you liberals trying to say Oh it wasn’t 60,000 people is because you are mostly in shock at the fact that she came close to the “chosen ones” record for people in Oregon. Second stop with the Bush talk because liberals will go nuts about how bad he is while conservatives like myself will stand by him. So do not talk about him it is a dumb way of you liberals trying to get McCain to be McSame, when really McCain is so different than Bush.

  • Frank

    Babs let me rephrase,

    lets look at this as unpartisan as possible.

    80% of the people think the country is on the wrong track.
    Thats why repubiclans face a tough election and Obama leads in the polls.
    Then McCain, who said he stands for change, chooses a VP candidate who has the exactly the same views as George Bush.

    And in stead of dropping in the polls (beceause the Bush’s third term has become more valid then before), McCain gets a boost! How has she persuaded undecided or Obama supporters??

    So my point is that i dont understand what palin haves or does that makes the McCain/Palin ticket rise in the polls.

  • Babs

    Frank, I recall when Pres. Bush’s approval rating was 83%. The fact that 80% of the country thinks we’re on the wrong track (if that’s the correct figure) does not mean that we lay it all at Bush’s door. I lay a large majority of that figure at the door of a liberal democratic congress headed up by the Queen of Pigs with Lipstick, Nancy Pelosi.

    And that’s as AMERICAN as I can look at it.

  • Jim

    My favorite thing about this election is that Republicans have no answers, no substance, and no solutions whatsoever. It’s the same Obama-bashing that it has been for 12 months, and the same Karl Roveian tactics that we’ve seen for nearly a decade.

    The GOP had 8 years, and 6 of them had both the House, Senate & Presidency. 8 years, and we’ve got… worse schools, a weak dollar, a credit crisis, a housing crisis, the largest national debt in history, an army stretched to its breaking point, insane health care costs, insane insurance costs, insane energy costs…

    and McCain/Palin offer what solutions? None. You can’t name them, and you won’t name them. You’ll just reply to this comment with another Obama dig, and avoid the question completely. Prove me wrong and actually post something worthwhile… can you?

  • Todd

    You Obama people, you crack me up !

    You love your guy b/c he is the breath of fresh air, Change candidate. He has 2 years in the U.S. senate and that appeals to your “change” mantra. Yet when you look at his policy proposals they are just democratic ideals restated (taxes, abortion etc…). He picks Biden (who I like) and then slams McCain for picking the same old Republican (what the hell is Biden?). Yet you ignore this and still worship the ground he walks on. You see why he should have picked Biden and justify it with the Policy experience he brings. You feel it rounds out the democratic ticket, makes it balanced.

    I could only imagine your reaction if McCain was on TV telling his crowd that one day a light would shine down and they would be lead to vote for him.

    You ignore all this stuff.

    Until….. Wait, what is that? A Republican (vice presidential candidate no less) that has “only” 2 years in government. Then it’s where is her experience ? She is a Republican prototype ! She only spews the Republican line ! Where is the change the media sees in her ? Oh why does the media love her so much ? Why do they not ask her any real questions. It’s Bush in a skirt (I made that one up for entertainment purposes). The point is that you ignore the same points when it’s applied to your guy and you eagerly proclaim Obama is your Hero, boy your standards for Hero’s are very low.

    You slam Palin as inexperienced while ignoring the fact that your PRESIDENTIAL candidate, at best has just as little. You question McCain’s picking her as pandering yet you ignore that he needed both a fresh face and a conservative to ignite the Republican base, which he cannot win without. Everything is sinister when done by McCain yet Obama can do what ever he wants and you accept it, WITHOUT QUESTION.

    Oh yeah, DEEBEE,

    I am not sure if you were making a point for or against Palin since you are right in one or two respects. Palin is slammed nightly on the issues you mention yet she still polls well. The other thing, it is tough to stay on message given that challenge of democratic double standards and staying on message is different than repeating slogans such as “Yes we Can” or “Change we can Believe In”

    If I have mistaken your point I am sorry for the rebuttal, but I am just a Republican and as such I may be a little slow.

  • Kenny, you need to get out more man, the numbers that turn out to see Palin are accurate. I attended a McCain/Palin rally a few weeks ago and I will tell you that you couldn’t even move it was so crowded. The energy was unreal and yes most people were there to see Sarah. I really think liberals are intimidated by Palin and the excitement surrounding the McCain/Palin campaign and they should be shaking in their boots, the polls are tight Sarah is stealing the Obama thunder!

  • JD

    Todd – “Palin is slammed nightly on the issues you mention yet she still polls well.”

    This proves that Republicans do the same thing you are complaining Democrats do for their candidate. Which is to turn a blind eye when it comes to their candidate.

    Still, I can not agree with all your points and it seems as though you are just wrapped up in the argument of experience. The differences between Obama and Palin are stark and so they with McCain and Obama.

    Let’s talk about the issues and stop the conservative bitching. I think the motto from bush to “pull yourself up by your boot strap” should be changed to “pull your self up by the bra strap” when it comes to you cry babies.

    Both parties are guilty…get over it.

    Todd – “I am just a Republican and as such I may be a little slow.”

    We know… everyone here takes what you say with a grain of salt and a bit of understanding that there may be mommy issues. 😉

    But we love you Todd.

  • Todd

    JD

    nice try but you guys are the ones complaining about lack of experience now. Seems the roles have switched was the Republican’s yelling about Obama now you libs are furious about Palin, when we point out that she is as good as Obama, on experience (not saying they have the same policies) you yell.

    As usual thought you failed to address anything I said, but it was expected, as the typical Obama fan has no new argument, it’s just the same old big bad Republican’s message over and over, and oh yeah the Gimme your money message also. Matter of fact the only new thing about the democrats is the slogan Obama has “Change for the sake of change”. Or is it “Change, because we want you to believe we didn’t vote for the war”, no my bad was it “Change we can believe in” yeah that’s it.

    “Change we can believe in” as long as Kennedy, Clinton and Biden are with us, oh wait a minute they have always been the power brokers for your party, I forgot. My Bad

    As far as the Republican’s doing what you guys do, well it’s the dems that are bitching…Bush this Bush that and he ain’t even running. Do you guys remember McCain ? he is the Presidential candidate your running against, the same one who got ran out of town for supporting campaign reform and immigration reform with the democrats ! and the same one who wanted Lieberman, remember him ? If Bush hadn’t conspired with the other state republican’s and the supreme court in 2000 Lieberman would likely be running for president as a democrat, that’s you guys remember ? Oh yeah you excommunicated your maverick didn’t you ? when he supported the republican position on something he had to run as an independent against a guy the dems put up against him. That shows the true colors of your party.

  • JD

    Todd – “Do you guys remember McCain ?”

    No, I forgot about McCain. He is that really old guy running for president, right?

    I didn’t reallize you were making a point in any of your previous posts. To my understanding I thought you were just complaining about how the demecrats pick on Palin for not having experience when (as you say… Obama doesn’t have any). Poor Demecrats and Republicans.

    I’ll respond to your points when if you ever make one. All you have been doing is just ranting.

    It is late and you are probably tired. Get some sleep kid-o… growing boys need thier sleep.

  • Babs

    JD, you know your digs at other commenters are antagonistic, and discourage others from joining the conversation. I wish you’d lighten up on the personal insults, but you’ll probably just insult me for saying so.

    Let’s get an opinion on Sarah Palin from a really big dog democrat, shall we?

    From Bill Clinton:

    Speaking to reporters before his Clinton Global Initiative meeting, the former president described Palin’s appeal by adding, “People look at her, and they say, ‘All those kids. Something that happens in everybody’s family. I’m glad she loves her daughter and she’s not ashamed of her. Glad that girl’s going around with her boyfriend. Glad they’re going to get married.”‘

    Clinton said voters would think, “I like that little Down syndrome kid. One of them lives down the street. They’re wonderful children. They’re wonderful people. And I like the idea that this guy does those long-distance races. Stayed in the race for 500 miles with a broken arm. My kind of guy.”

    I get this,” Clinton said. “My view is … why say, ever, anything bad about a person? Why don’t we like them and celebrate them and be happy for her elevation to the ticket? And just say that she was a good choice for him and we disagree with them?”

  • JD

    Babs – “I wish you’d lighten up on the personal insults, but you’ll probably just insult me for saying so.”

    As you wish. I will lighten up. However, as Bill Clinton said we need to get off this mode where people rant about the few bad apples on each side.

    I mean, I could go on a 400 word soap box about how the Right has been spreading false truths (I.E. obama is a Muslim, that he was sworn in on the Karan) and how we should celebrate him for what he is.

    He is a man who has helped his community and in a nation who once held slavery of the black race… we now have a candidate who at one time wasn’t even allowed to vote or drink out of the same water fountain in certain areas of this country. Lets celebrate that.

    I too wish we would have that kind of conversation but Todd was not. He was a rant about how his candidate is unfairly picked on…which all candidates are unfairly picked on. I don’t call it right but I am not going to go on a long talk about it and try to sell it off as a point.

    My sarcastic response was only an answer to his sarcastic questions. Had he asked real, on the issues, questions than he would get real, on the issues, responses.

    If I am intimidating people who are only going to come on here and rant about how unfair the media pick on Palin or Obama or McCain or Biden than they are not missed in my book.

    Besides, Babs, I have not heard you stick up for a single person who got bad mouthed for having a view about Obama. Don’t take this the wrong way but if you are going to fight for the little people than you should be fair and fight for all little people and not just the ones that agree with your personal political views.

  • Justin

    This Republican will vote for Obama this year, Why? terrible choice in Vice Presidential Canidate… Gov. Palin was picked for political “Clinton’s voters” purposes only. She has zero foreign Policy (never been to E.U.) Has zero economical policy (her state is so wealthy they give each Alaska resident 1,200 dollars) The scary thing is, this choice is working. 20 percent swing in voters for women aged 35-55 after Palin was picked. I saw a soccer mom interviewed after John picked Palin and she was a former Clinton Supported. She said Palin will be our way into the White House. Maybe this is why Women were not given the right to vote till 1920??? Clinton and Palin could not be any different???

  • B

    This is one of the oldest campaign tricks in the book, fudge the number of people attending campaign events, downplay your opponents sizes and overstate your own. Crowds = campaign and electoral excitement or the perception thereof. Considering that McCain/Palin are running against an opponent that has generated alot of excitement, enthusiasm and huge crowds throughout the campaign it would make sense that they are going to do whatever they can to create the perception or display the reality that huge amounts of the electorate are excited about thier campaign too, in the form of huge crowds. Looking at the various pictures of the event I would admit that alot folks went to see and hear Palin, I don’t know if it was 60,000 though…. Besides what is an extra 10,000 or 20,000 when you are dealing with huge crowds, who is counting? My final comment is that from what I saw the Palin crowd looked quite a bit smaller than the crowd of 75,000 (?) in Portland, OR that went to see Obama a couple of months ago.

  • KG

    I am a Hillary supporter. I like what “Todd” had to say! He is right about:

    “You love your guy b/c he is the breath of fresh air, Change candidate. He has 2 years in the U.S. senate and that appeals to your “change” mantra. Yet when you look at his policy proposals they are just democratic ideals restated (taxes, abortion etc…).”

    All of Obama’s ideas are the same as Hillary’s with a twist, an add on! I am a Democrat, but just because I’m a Democrat, Pro-Choice, and Pro-Universal Healthcare does not mean I have to vote for a Democratic Ticket! I don’t like Obama. I am not one of the masses who has drank the Obama-KoolAid. I am on the fence and I will vote for whomever I choose. I am sick and tired of people telling me I must vote for Obama because he’s a Democrat! I want someone with experience as president and his little stint in the senate with a 100-Present votes is not what I am looking for. At least McCain is decisive. I may not agree with him but at least he showed up and voted on the issues. Obama never did! So unless he woops McCain’s ass in the Debates, and Biden beats Palin I will not vote for him. I am not convinced he is the “Great One” that people believe he is. I’m just saying!

  • JD

    KG – “I want someone with experience as president and his little stint in the senate with a 100-Present votes”

    Are you talking about him voting present in the US Senate?

  • Bill Hedges

    B– Were the same people counting for Obama. Or were they better counter ?

  • CA

    I am not very politically minded but this site was recommended to me and I have been following it with a lot of interest. While I certainly don’t consider myself qualified to speak to the political issues, I would like to say something about the verbal sparring that goes on. The real issues often get lost in the mud slinging between some of you. This particular thread reminds me of something that happened often when I was a child and my brother and I would fight. He would tell our mom, “It all started when she hit me back!” Some of the conversation in this thread felt exactly like that and it caused me to laugh. Maybe some of you can appreciate this comment.

  • dick bohanon

    why are conservatives so afraid of “liberals”
    they sound like the red-baiters of the fifties
    (if you dont agree with me completly you are obviously
    weak,stupid and love terrorists)
    wake up kool-aid drinkers
    i can think as clear or clearer than you because i can accept others having opinions different from mine.
    so keep blaming everyone else for your problems and faults.
    alcoholics and drug addicts do and it works for them
    right until they crash and burn.
    oops isnt that whats happening RIGHT NOW?
    thanks conservatives for showing all of us what not to be.
    YOU

  • PeoplePower

    Todd – thank you:

    “If Bush hadn’t conspired with the other state republican’s and the supreme court in 2000 Lieberman would likely be running for president as a democrat, that’s you guys remember ?”

    It’s *high* time a Republican admitted that Bush cheated his way into office in 2000!!

    Now, will you also admit that the shenanigans in Ohio, amounting to some 200,000 uncounted votes happened?

    The Republican talking heads (and their parrots) complain about voter fraud, when some in the Republican party are committing election fraud.

    Voter fraud may affect a few hundred votes – bad, but not difficult for any candidate worthy of office to overcome.

    Election fraud affects tens of thousands of votes – and even by doing so, Bush *barely* beat Kerry in 2004…

  • PeoplePower

    Todd sed:

    “You love your guy b/c he is the breath of fresh air, Change candidate. He has 2 years in the U.S. senate and that appeals to your “change” mantra.”

    Umm, that may be true for some voters, but I’d hardly say it applies to all.

    First off, Obama was sworn into office in January of 2005. That’s 3.5 years…

    Still, I’m not *claiming* he’s a whiz with experience and can take over the presidency w/o any issues. This is why I really like the Biden choice – he’s an experienced leader in Foreign Policy, as well as other things, and he’s a blue collar Senator.

    I’m voting for Obama because I believe in a leader’s need to inspire the people around him. A leader can’t bully his way through by pig-headishly sticking to his guns.

    I’m moderatly certain that McCain’s style of leadership will be similar to Bush’s – bullying when his way is not had.

    I’m voting for Obama because I strongly believe the “trickle down theory” is a horrible economic policy and that the Republicans (in general) believe that the free market can control everything (how many people have to die eating a diseased piece of pork before the free market comes in to save the day?).

    Except there’s no such thing as a truly Free Market to the these Republicans, as they only privatize the profits and socialize the losses. How many millions of dollars does Paulson (and his buddies) still have in one of the big companies (blanking on the name) set to receive funds from this billion dollar debacle?

    I’m voting for Obama because I believe in a separation of Church & State and that a woman’s right to choose is not something a majority of men in Washington, or any level of government, should control (though a *little* regulation wouldn’t hurt).

    I’m voting for Obama because a great leader will not only lead by doing what he or she believes to be right, but will modify his/her tack slightly if the population vastly disagrees with the direction – not 55/45 disagreement, but more so. That is not waffling, that is what it means to both be a politician and a leader in a REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY!!

    One must take care to not completely go with the tide and if they disagree with the populace, the leader must CONVINCE us why they’re right. Obama *can* do that.

    I think Obama is entirely capable of this, and much more, and that’s why I’m voting for him…

  • Todd

    PP,

    At the risk of upsetting JD I find your last post refreshing. I respect the fact that you are voting for a man who you feel represents your ideals. You said what you support and you said why you think Obama will deliver, for you—I will not argue with you b/c you sound like you know why you want to vote for the man. Now we obviously disagree b/c I believe your high opinion and hopes are based in nothing more than hype and it isn’t nice to re gift during the holiday season, but I hear you, you are really just saying you are liberal, that’s what Dems are so you would naturally vote for him.

    On the other hand you know as well as I do that a great many of the Obama supporters are fair weather trendy types who perceived him to be the cool choice. That’s the crowd I speak of when I go on my rants. Folks like JD who profess to be fair minded and then turn around and basically say they are voting for him because of his race.

    JD’s words :

    “He is a man who has helped his community and in a nation who once held slavery of the black race… we now have a candidate who at one time wasn’t even allowed to vote or drink out of the same water fountain in certain areas of this country. Lets celebrate that.”

    I don’t hear JD professing his support for Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, Con Delessa Rice, Roderick Page, Michael Steele or any other Republican who has helped their community in a nation where the black race was held in slavery. It’s clear why he is saying he supports Obama. Does JD support Alan Keyes, a strong Republican who has served his nation for years and ran for president several times ?
    You know he doesn’t, don’t you ? and you know that he is not rational enough to truly evaluate his own candidate.

    By the way I only threw you dems a bone on the voter fraud stuff.
    Only a democrat would say Republicans’ tampered with the vote and disenfranchised voters at the same time they are requesting that only the heavy democrat precincts in Florida and Ohio are recounted. If you were so sure Gore or Kerry won why couldn’t you recount the entire states ? For that matter the entire nation. It is ludicrous to argue that the only place voter fraud may have taken place is were the “democratic leaning polling places are. I bet they could have found a few thousand more votes for Bush if they recounted the Republican leaning polling places but I don’t recall the fact that they didn’t want to do that as being upsetting the Dems. I don’t recall voter disenfranchisement being a major issue when the Dems tried to toss the military ballots or the absentee ballot, it was just fraud when the Dems couldn’t just recount “their” polling places.

    Anyway I have to go. I feel I may have given JD so much to denigrate me about that anymore may cause him to look mean spirited and I know democrats could never be that way, especially the ones who base the decisions they make on such firm ground as this was a nation who held slaves so let’s vote for Obama.

    One more question to all—did any of you get the POINT of my comparison between Obama and Palin ? you know the post where I just raved about nothing.

  • PeoplePower

    Todd –

    As for your Palin support, I understand the reason you find the complaints hypocritical. Then again, McCain was attacking Obama’s experience before he picked Palin, so there’s some hypocrisy there as well.

    As for Palin as a pick, you said that he *wanted* Lieberman. I agree, but why then did he pick Palin? He *had* to, or the social conservatives would have completely jumped ship. Isn’t that pandering?

    And, more importantly, if you’re running for the highest office in the land and claim to be a maverick, wouldn’t it be appropriate for you to stick to your maverick ways and your principles, rather than win an election?

    Afterall, a big statement on his part was “he’d rather lose an election than see our country lose a war.” I’m sure I have the quote incorrect, but it’s the basic idea.

    This is one of the big reasons I have a problem with McCain. He was an extraordinary choice in 2000, but he has really changed his tune since then. He has conceded a ton of issues that he felt strongly about. Why? So he had a chance to win an election.

    His flip-flopping hypocrisy is rampant and Sarah Palin takes the cake.

    Sure, he may not have won the hearts & minds of social conservatives, but had he remained true to himself (his pre-2006, roughly, -self), he would have won a huge number of the hearts & minds of moderates on both sides of the aisle.

    I no longer trust him or his policies, especially when he’ll cave to the social conservatives in such an important choice as the VP for a man who is a multiple-cancer survivor and would be the oldest President we’ve ever elected…

    Oh, and this along with many other things, is one of the reasons I think we *need* election reform! We *need* to give voice to more than two parties. Otherwise, it comes down to most people deciding based on the party who holds most of their views.

  • Bill Hedges

    I am watching a show that is airing Katie and Biden interview segnment. Something seems very wrong. His facts are way off. I am not talking politics here. Has any body seen this. Or heard about this. Is he ill ?

  • Dreadsen

    McCain-Palin Crowd-Size Estimates Not Backed by Officials

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=a1J0tfV3XJYs&refer=politics&no_cj_c=1

    Not saying it is wrong this time. But as you see from the article on two other occasions numbers were fabricated. Crowds of 23,000 were actually 8,000, etc.

  • Babs

    PP,

    “I believe in a separation of Church & State and that a woman’s right to choose is not something a majority of men in Washington, or any level of government, should control (though a *little* regulation wouldn’t hurt).”

    That’s McCain’s beliefs, not Obama’s. He believes Washinton SHOULD control a women’s right to choose, that’s why he supports Roe V Wade. McCain thinks the choice should be returned to the state for a “little” regulation.

    “I’m voting for Obama because a great leader will not only lead by doing what he or she believes to be right, but will modify his/her tack slightly if the population vastly disagrees with the direction – not 55/45 disagreement, but more so. That is not waffling, that is what it means to both be a politician and a leader in a REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY!!”

    This is McCain up and down, not Obama. But you call it flip flopping when McCain does it, you call it representative democracy when Obama does it. Strange.

    “One must take care to not completely go with the tide and if they disagree with the populace, the leader must CONVINCE us why they’re right.”

    Which is what earned McCain the title of “Maverick”. PP, you’re really confused – you are a closet McCain supporter.

  • Bill Hedges

    Babs- What you said about Abortion, McCain said in his speech at the convention.

  • Dreadsen

    “That’s McCain’s beliefs, not Obama’s. He believes Washinton SHOULD control a women’s right to choose, that’s why he supports Roe V Wade. McCain thinks the choice should be returned to the state for a “little” regulation.”

    How can supporting Roe vs Wade control a womans right choose? Banning it all together would be controlling someone’s right to choose by eliminating the other option leaving them with only one.

    Obama tried this as well. He has a pretty bad anti gun record but he supported the over turn of the D.C. Gun ban saying that it should be a state issue. So Obama philosophy would allow a liberal state to ban guns altogether. And McCain’s philosophy would allow an extreme red state to ban abortion altogether. But once roe vs wade is over turned then it leaves the possibility to ban it nationwide.

  • Babs

    Dreadsen, the point was PP’s words “that a woman’s right to choose is not something a majority of men in Washington, or any level of government, should control (though a *little* regulation wouldn’t hurt).” Supporting Roe V Wade is supporting the notion that a “majority of men in Washinton” – the Federal government, in other words – do have the right control a women’s right to choose. Obama supports that Federal level of control over women. McCain doesn’t. Overturning Roe V Wade (which will never happen anyway) is try an attempt to ban abortions, and anyone who says it is is reaching really far for a talking point. Overturning Roe V Wade is throwing Big Government out of our bedrooms and putting it back in the hands of smaller government – that state – or in PP’s own words “though a *little* regulation wouldn’t hurt).”

  • Babs

    is try an attempt to ban abortions = that should have read “NOT an attempt to try and ban abortions”.

  • Todd

    PP

    I agree with you on the election reform but you can’t have it both ways on Mac. He cannot be a stubborn clone of Bush who will not listen to anyone and be a flip flopper too.

    The plan simple political fact it that Mac would never get a majority of democrats to vote for him and there are simply not enough independents to give any candidate the office. Mac HAS to have the full support of the Republican base to win so he has to come to their point of view. Without them he has no chance at all.

    You call it pandering yet you accept Obama’s change platform when it’s nothing but typical democratic party goals. H eis trying to have it both ways also because he has to ! The dems would never have nominated him over Hillary had he called his own party out on some of the stupid stuff they have tried, so he preached change to get the undecided/independent vote while his policy positions are 100% everyday democratic positions. Let’s see Obama really go for some change. Let’s see him vote against 1 or 2 major party issues and see if he still has the votes he may need to win, much less the support of his party, hell he had to pay Hillary’s debt just to get her to say she supported him.

  • JD

    Todd – “Folks like JD who profess to be fair minded and then turn around and basically say they are voting for him because of his race.”

    Lol. Don’t you wish that was the case. It would make life so easy for you to believe that fair minded people are really just voting because of his race…

    Seriously, did you just try to spin my words and try to make me out to look like that…can’t stop laughing. Desperation is a horrible perfume.

    Todd, with every passing day your head goes further up McCain’s balloon knot and more crap is coming from of your mouth.

    If you want to know why I am an Obama voter then all you have to do is ask. PowerPeople was kind enough to give his reasons to you reguardless of a request. Which might have been like rewarding a bratty child for bad behavior.

    I’ll let you in on a little secret…

    Come close so you can hear…

    Come on little Todd…

    You will not have to deal with my sarcastic ass if you would just stick to the points and not go on multi-post rant about how unfair everyone is to Sarah Palin (or any other candidate) and then try to sell it off like you had something smart to say when it was completely off subject to begin with and nothing more than a pointless rant of a far Right Republican.

    Now run along and Play nice with the other children, Todd!

    We’ll meet again on the issues.

  • Dreadsen

    Babs

    I still don’t get it.
    As it stands a woman has the right to choose life or death.
    She has the freedom to do what she wants.
    No one is telling a woman what she can or can not do.
    I thought roe vs wade was the protection of a woman to HAVE the right to make her own decision.
    How can it be any different?