Obama chided by nervous supporters to “get tough”

Obama may appear to be cool and collected on his feet, however, some of his more avid supporters are now going on the offense trying to persuade him to get tougher on McCain and take the fight through to the end.

Report from Yahoo News:

ELKO, Nev. – Worried Democrats want Barack Obama to get tougher, show more passion. Why is he so calm, supporters ask, so close to an election that looks so tight?

“Just keep steady,” Obama tells the nervous Nellies. “I’m skinny but I’m tough. I’m from Chicago.”

Obama hears the concern, from senior Democrats and big-money contributors, from columnists and supporters along the rope lines at campaign events. He heard it again as he stood in an hourlong receiving line in Hollywood to pose for pictures with donors who paid $28,500 to be with him Tuesday night.

“I know that a lot of you, just in conversations while we were in the photo lines, had all sorts of suggestions,” Obama said. “And a lot of people have gotten nervous and concerned. `Why is this as close as it is? And what’s going on?'”

“We always knew this was going to be hard, and this is a leap for the American people,” Obama said. “And we’re running against somebody who has a formidable biography, a compelling biography. He’s a genuine American hero, somebody who served in uniform and suffered through some things that very few of us can imagine.”

Urging Democrats not to worry about his cool demeanor, Obama said, “The reason I’m calm is I have confidence in the American people.”

But many of his supporters are upset that polls show the race is pretty much even, even with Obama running against a Republican who used to brag that he voted 90 percent of the time with the unpopular President Bush. The economy is teetering, and the country is still at war, but seven weeks from Election Day the race is far from the slam-dunk Democrats dreamed about.

And there does seem to be more bite in Obama’s daily remarks.

With unemployment rising and big financial firms failing, Obama and Republican rival John McCain both have pushed the economy to the front of their speeches. “The entire campaign has shifted,” Obama said.

He bought a two-minute television commercial to speak to voters on Wednesday, attempting to empathize with people struggling to pay for groceries, gas and health insurance. Taped in a living-room-like setting, Obama spoke directly to the camera and did not mention McCain.

This line is key: “The economy is teetering, and the country is still at war, but seven weeks from Election Day the race is far from the slam-dunk Democrats dreamed about

This campaign is close, much closer than Democrats predicted it would be based on the current issues facing Americans. So my exit question here is: Why?

Why is the race so close? What is McCain doing to keep it close? What is Obama not doing which would let me pull ahead?

  • JD

    Here are my thoughts.

    1. The election only seems to be close. I.E. – when we go to vote, it will be a landslide victory for Obama. I mean, the Demecrats came out 2 to 1 during the primary to vote but then again this was before Palin.

    2. This really is a close election and if this is the case then I am not sure what he should do. If he goes too negative then it goes against what he has said he was going to do. Personally, I think Obama is on the right path, though it seems as though it is not the landslide vitory we thought it would be.

    I have had the conversation before that I would be shocked if there are still undecided voters. I really believe everyone has pretty much made up there mind. About all we are seeing is the newness of Palin energizing the Republican base but in the end if we were to hold the election tomorrow, I think it would be just as close as the election in November.

  • Bob

    This continues to shock me how many people have become so accustomed to the liberal bias of the mainstream press that they take it for granted that people across this country share the viewpoint of the press. But get out of Hollywood, NY, CA and the extreme coasts and you’ll find that many/most Americans are generally conservatives in nature.

    Obama is not nearly as qualified as McCain, and if you listen to the two of them talk about issues, many of us are shocked at how Obama talks around issues and McCain speaks directly to them. When you look at how Obama behaves, he’s a great guy, but he doesn’t demonstrate leadership qualities nor good judgement (ironic because that’s what he says makes his lack of experience okay) in many people’s eyes. Maybe with more experience, but not yet.

    And despite the assumption liberals make about the war and economy being so bad that people will do anything to get away from a the republican party, I don’t think that’s a universal opinion. McCain is still strong in the national defense area, believe it or not, and terrorism is still important to this country. Obama wants to dismantle the military, and people aren’t ready for that because it’s the wrong thing to do.

    I’m not saying in any way that there isn’t a split of opinions. What I am saying is that there seem to be so many liberals that think because of the press that it’s “so obvious that Obama is right” that they don’t even realize that there are people in both camps. Some people don’t want higher taxes, big governament, socialized economics for energy and health, reduced military, activist judges changing the meaning of laws themselves, etc.

  • Frank

    “Why is the race so close? What is McCain doing to keep it close? What is Obama not doing which would let me pull ahead?”

    Why is it close?
    Three reasons:
    1. Americans dont look at the past. Otherwise they would punish the republicans for bankrupting the US.

    2. Americans look at the personality off McCain and Palin, not their positions on issues (and the consequences off those positions)

    3. PUMAS

  • Babs

    JD, the democrats certainly did come out in the primaries, but it had nothing to do with Palin – it had a LOT to do with Hillary. When she lost, that changed the game and divided the party. And I believe that’s one reason it’s as close as it is – not the main reason, though. The main reason is the stark differences in the two candidates, and America will decide which one they trust in the White House, and which one they don’t.

    What should McCain do? Exactly what he’s doing. He’s taking his record to the people, who are now even more energized with the addition of Palin.

    I have said it before, and I’ll say it again. Women constitute 52% of voters in American. Women will rock this vote more than any other sector. The attacks on Palin – to include the hacking of her personal email now – will just serve to add more numbers in the McCain/Palin column. These few Obama nutjobs should get a clue, talk about voting with your feet. They’re voting with their ass. After all the hoopla over McCain’s citizenship, which was settled when Barry Goldwater ran decades ago, another nutjob in California still filed a lawsuit to take McCain off the ballot in California because of this issue. It was thrown out of court, of course, but these stunts affect how voters feel, and no, I don’t think that everyone has difinitively decided on their vote. I see voters changing their votes everyday. Just yesteray Donald Trump endorsed McCain, and another high profile Hillary supporter as well. Meanwhile, a couple of politicians in the Carolinas are trying to race bait again, saying if Obama loses it’s because of racial prejudice. There goes some more Obama votes.

    What shouldn’t Obama do? He shouldn’t try another ad like the spanish ad he put out this morning that even the liberal media are pounding him for. While McCain’s ad concerning Obama and sex education turned out to be totally true, Obama’s new ad is totally false. The democrats pressuring him to “get tough” should have also advised him to “get real”.

    Joe Biden said this morning that we’re unpatriotic if we don’t agree to pay more taxes. That one won’t play well with a lot of people, either. Patriotism is a place Biden doesn’t really want to go. But go he will, and it will backlash on him.

  • JD

    Babs,

    Babs – “The attacks on Palin – to include the hacking of her personal email now”

    Right after September 11, 2001 the patriot act was established and the government was allowed to hack, tap, and invade people’s privacy. At that time I had asked some people how they felt about it… “I got reply’s of GREAT! If you don’t have anything to hide then what does it matter!!!” Granted everyone that replied with this kind of answer was conservative republican, I wouldn’t want to make blanket statement and label all republicans as such. However, it brings up a question that you might be able to answer.

    Her email was hacked but what does it matter if she has nothing to hide? I know it is an invasion of privacy so don’t go with that answer because I agree with you. But looking at it in the light of a mother who finds a Playboy magazine in their kids bedroom… He is pissed she invaded his privacy but upon discovery it was apparent he was hiding something. I am curious to see how this email thing is going to pan out.

    Babs – “These few Obama nutjobs should get a clue, talk about voting with your feet. They’re voting with their ass.”

    Indeed a few bad apples make the whole basket of good apples look worse then what they are. Still, if we are to look at the guilty we need only to look in the mirror. Both sides are guilty of having their nutjobs. I recall emails of Obama being Muslim coming to mind.

    Babs – “I don’t think that everyone has definitively decided on their vote. I see voters changing their votes every day. Just yesterday Donald Trump endorsed McCain, and another high profile Hillary supporter as well.”

    So you think they just made up their minds the other day..??? or did they just wait to come out with who they were voting for. Again, people have for the most part made up their minds whether they are coming out publicly or not is another question.

    Babs – “Meanwhile, a couple of politicians in the Carolinas are trying to race bait again”

    I wish there was a word for what McCain is doing with his POW torture story… I know it isn’t Race baiting but there needs to be some phrased coined to include it.

    As for the Ads you are referring to all I can say is both parties are guilty of untruths but if I had to say which side was telling more untruths than the other then I would have to go with McCain. The Republican Machine is notorious for these kinds of attack ads.

  • JD

    I also want to take the time and say that Bill is Babs’s little barking dog. Babs look at me… babs did you see… Babs…more news. Babs, Babs, Babs…

    Bab’s give Bill your personal email so he can update you an the news through your email and keep your puppy on a leash… he is bothering the neighbors.

  • Babs

    “Her email was hacked but what does it matter if she has nothing to hide?”

    WHAT DOES IT MATTER?!?! It’s freaking ILLEGAL! JD, you cannot be that stupid. Please, post your email address and password here in the forum so we can all go through your private email. If you have nothing to hide, what does it matter? What are you, a convicted felon posting from your prison cell???

    “I also want to take the time and say that Bill is Babs’s little barking dog.”

    Ok, now you’ve pissed me off. Bill is a newcomer here like you, and if he wants to address me or anyone else in this forum, it doesn’t make him a “barking dog” anymore than YOU addressing me or anyone else in this forum. We address each other by name all the time here. He’s having a conversation with another person, just as he addresses Dreadsen or Melvin when he has a conversation with them. You started out ok on this forum, JD, but you’ve just crossed the line into being an asshole, and our discussions with each other are finished.

    Oh, and don’t write another post that starts with “Babs”, that would make you the “barking dog”. There’s plenty I could debate with you over your careful dissection of my post, but you’re not worth the trouble it would take me to think about it.

  • Dreadsen
  • Dreadsen

    JD

    Does that mean that it is okay if someone breaks into your house and rambles through every thing, takes photos of everything and display it for all to see? Just as long as they don’t actually steal anything?

    Remember Obama had his Passport files broken into. He didn’t have anything to hide but it’s the principle. Do you support that as well? If so I guess Nixon never should have came close to being impeached?

  • JD

    Directed at no one in paticular – “WHAT DOES IT MATTER?!?! It’s freaking ILLEGAL! JD, you cannot be that stupid…If you have nothing to hide, what does it matter?…”

    My original statement before your response was – I know it is an invasion of privacy so don’t go with that answer because I agree with you.

    BUT LET ME RESTATE MY STANSE:

    Firstly – Yes, I know it is illegal and I would not hack anyone’s email were I able to and that means from a prison cell or not.

    Secondly – My question is more of me wondering if there were something they are nervous about being stolen… maybe an email about the trooper case… Maybe something else.

    Finally – I bet there are people on this site that were for privacy invading legislation such as the Patriot act. I feel comfortable enough to say that you (Babs) could very well have been one of these people.(But there is no way since you (babs) probably would never admit otherwise) But now, since it has happened to their political Icon they are throwing a fit. Where were these people when everyday citizen’s privacy was being breeched?

    Like I said, I don’t agree with it but I am officially curious on what was retrieved. I can’t lie and say that if someone were to have posted the emails for the world to read that I would not read them. I guess that makes me a Dick and I will live with myself.

    A Babs Quote – “Ok, now you’ve pissed me off…He’s having a conversation with another person, just as he addresses Dreadsen or Melvin when he has a conversation with them. You started out ok on this forum, JD, but you’ve just crossed the line into being an asshole, and our discussions with each other are finished.”

    I would not want anyone as my enemy on here. Let alone Babs. Still, I can’t help but reflect on the similarities of Babs and the conservative party.

    For example, when the conservative party “feels” like someone has offended them or crossed the proverbial line they shut them out. Is it because they demand an apology? Is it because they have too much pride? It is kind of like a baby throwing a temper tantrum. **insert crying baby here** I know that is going to offend some people too but I guess we should all walk on eggshells around people so we don’t go and offend them.

    So what else in recent politics has happened similarly…oh yeah, Palin has a bad interview and she now tells the press core to stick it and address the McCain Campaign for any questions. I guess it makes sense because she was clearly offended by the interview. That is what we need in the white house. Someone who is afraid to talk to people because they offend them or challenge them in the least.

    A qoute from Babs – “Oh, and don’t write another post that starts with “Babs”…There’s plenty I could debate with you over your careful dissection of my post, but you’re not worth the trouble it would take me to think about it.”

    JD = not worth thinking about. Do you hate my children too or are they ok?

    I was once had the opportunity to talk about how many people look for the same injustice to happen to others as it has happened to them.

    For example, Two men are freed from a concentration camp and find themselves walking past a German wheat field. One of the guys begins to crush the crop but is confronted by the other and asked “Don’t you know what you doing is wrong? That isn’t your property to destroy.” The man replies, “Yes, but you know what they did to us!” Finally the second guy says, “Does it make what you are doing right?”

    I know you are offended babs and for anyone else in the present and future who might also get offended on this site by me or any one else… I hope we can all keep a dialog even when it hurts to do so be it from a difference in views or a light offense.

  • Babs

    Dreadsen, be careful of addressing me by name. You’ll be called a “barking dog”.

    Obama may have picked out that portion of the bill which relates to inappropriate touching as his talking point, but he did not vote yes on that one portion, he voted on the ENTIRE bill which includes, but is not limited to:

    “Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV.”

    Perhaps if he’d thought it about it a moment longer in terms of having to actually answer for his vote, it would have been the usual “present”. As it stands, he voted for a bill that does in fact include comprehension sex education. And that doesn’t really surprise me, Dreadsen. It falls in line with another vote he said yes on, the one that said underage teens should be able to get abortions without notifying their parents, and that doctors, etc., should not notify them either. To me, it’s the same mindset.

    If he felt so strongly about the good touch, bad touch program which has been a program in itself implemented for years, he should have sponsored a new bill that addressed that issue alone, not gone along with all of it as it was written. But he did, and that’s just a fact.

  • JD

    Dreadsen,

    “Remember Obama had his Passport files broken into. He didn’t have anything to hide but it’s the principle. Do you support that as well?”

    I replied to babs on this to clearify my stance but i will do so again.

    LET ME RESTATE MY STANSE:

    Firstly – Yes, I know it is illegal and I would not hack anyone’s email were I able to and that means from a prison cell or not. I also, believe we have laws against hacking for this reason and I agree with these laws.

    Secondly – My question is more of me wondering if there were something they are nervous about being stolen… maybe a email about the trooper case… Maybe something else.

    Finally – I bet there are people on this site that were for privacy invading legislation such as the Patriot act. I feel comfortable enough to say that you (Babs) could very well have been one of these people.(But there is no way since you (babs) probably would never admit otherwise) But now, since it has happened to their political Icon they are throwing a fit. Where were these people when everyday citizen’s privacy was being breeched?

    Like I said, I don’t agree with it but I am officially curious on what was retrieved. I can’t lie and say that if someone were to have posted the emails for the world to read that I would not read them. I guess that makes me a Dick and I will live with myself.

  • Babs

    Let me tell you something, JD. Don’t presume to know anything about me. For your information, I’m VERY biased on the issue of hacking into a person’s private email because it happened to me last year. And I knew the person – had previously employed and trusted the person. The very idea that anyone would condone such a thing is ridiculous. Who cares what the result of the hacking was, it was hacking, and its illegal. YOU are the one who said, and I quote “If you have nothing to hide, what does it matter?…” Well, it matters plenty. And it has nothing to do with the damn Patriot Act. And yes, that makes you a XXX.

    **PLEASE REFRAIN FROM DIRECTING ATTACKS TOWARD PEOPLE INSTEAD OF VIEWS** – MICHAEL

  • JD

    I heart you Babs… Are you saying you don’t heart me?

    Needless to say, you have missed the point but don’t color me suprised. You are blind with anger right now but I forgive you. Give it time and your heart will love again.

  • Stalin

    JD,

    Are you kidding me? I don’t want to waste a lot of effort on this but lets remove the whole felony thing here and look at this a little differenly. Her friends and family email addresses were posted for all to see. I’m sure they had to shut down those accounts after all the hate mail they surely got. Her daughters cell phone number is now public, which will have to be changed. This is a big problem. The little punk hacker needs to go to prison and gawker.com needs to be fined and shut down.

  • Babs

    JD, you seriously make me laugh, maybe you’re not all bad after all. And I just may heart you again, but you owe Bill an apology first. Ya big jerk. 😉

  • Babs

    Stalin, you’re spot on, and these are the things people just don’t realize. When I had my email hacked last year, I had just received a first draft of a novel for proofing and editing. That wasn’t what she was after, but can you imagine what could have happened with a first draft of a published author just out there for anyone to read or steal? Can you imagine how I felt having to tell this author that their privacy had been breached because some lunatic wanted to see if my son was confiding his marital problems to his Mom? This idiot didn’t just invade my privacy, she invaded the privacy of every single person who had sent me ANY kind of email presuming that it was safe with me. Gawker wasn’t the only one posting the screen shots, and they should all be banned from the internet. And publishing Bristol’s cell phone number – well, that’s just one more thing done to that girl and maybe not the worse that’s happened to her, but still very wrong. I’d like to just brush it off and say oh well, more votes for Sarah everytime someone does something like this, but the principal of it has my temper ruling my attitude about it right now.

  • JD

    BABS,

    I apologize for everything but to no one 🙂 That being said, I am sorry Bill. I hate what this political season has done to me. Just the other night, I looked in the mirror and I could barely recognize myself. Come to find out, I was looking at a picture of Obama!!!

    I kissed it and went to bed.

    Stalin,

    ****According to state law, all messages relating to the official functions of governor must be archived and not destroyed. ****

    Screen grabs of the e-mail inbox posted on the web confirm accusations that Palin had been using non-governmental accounts to engage in political and executive work.

    Which is interesting because they were trying to force her to release more than 1,100 Yahoo e-mails she withheld from a public records request in June.

    Palin has already handed over e-mails sent from her official account to the investigation committee examining her case that she dismissed Monegan because he refused to take action against her brother-in-law, a state trooper at the time.

    Again… According to state law, all messages relating to the official functions of governor must be archived and not destroyed.

    Alaska state lawyers said that the governor’s e-mails about public business should be treated like any other public record, even if she’s sent them through a private account such as Yahoo.

    So Ms Palin has found the loop hole in the system. If you send your emails through yahoo then they can’t be used against you when an investigation happens because they were not done with the Official State email account.

    Really she just got caught red handed. She was using the yahoo account to conduct official business as a way to keep certain records out of the public eye. She claimed she was not doing so and a hacker did the “I caught you lying…” Then they took it to the next level and posted cell phones and other such material which was way out of line… not that hacking isn’t out of line.

    By the way, if they catch the guys I am not sure on what they can do since it was a yahoo account. If I understand it correctly, Yahoo will have to be the ones to press charges. All Palin can do is press civil charges.

    This is one of those conundrums like if you illegally torture a prisoner of war and they give you intelligence to save lives then you are a hero even though you broke the law to do it. However, if you do it and the person was in fact innocent then you just tortured someone for no reason.

    The problem is we can’t live in a society who gives anyone the power to torture or illegally hack into people’s lives.

    So should the Hero be prosecuted even though he tortured someone?

    Should the hacker be prosecuted even though he proved she was lying?

    I know there are going to be those of you who are going to say there is no comparison but I ask you to really jump high and think about it. Just because it is over your head doesn’t mean you can’t grasp it with a little elbow grease and brain storming.

    Just so everyone knows, I believe the person who hacked her yahoo account should be braught to court.

  • Babs

    “Come to find out, I was looking at a picture of Obama!!!

    I kissed it and went to bed.”

    Well, there’s your problem right there, goofball. Stop kissing your ass before you go to bed at night, and you’ll feel much better the next morning.

    What did she get caught with? There were no emails recovered that were incriminating in the least. And if there had been, they couldn’t be used in a court of law against her because they would have been obtained illegally. And don’t throw the Patriot Act at me, this punk hacker isn’t covered by that insurance policy.

  • JD

    Babs,

    “Well, there’s your problem right there, goofball. Stop kissing your ass before you go to bed at night, and you’ll feel much better the next morning.”

    You should see the picture I have of McCain in the toilet. Come to find out he likes golden showers and eats a mean steaming cobra.

    “What did she get caught with? There were no emails recovered that were incriminating in the least.”

    Among the other e-mails posted on the internet is a message sent from Palin to the vice-governor of Alaska, Sean Parnell, who is currently seeking election to Congress, and a draft letter to Governor Schwarzenegger.

    Again showing that she had been using it for official communication.

    I also agree that they can not be used in court. Like using evedence aquired in an illegal search of a house.

  • Babs

    JD, I just saw the email between her and Parnell on Fox News, it was of a personal nature about a talk radio show personality. No state business there. I believe her response was something like “I’m so sorry, Shawn”. See, this is a fine line. You CAN have personal correspondence with someone that you also do business with on another day. That doesn’t make it “official communication”. And I draft a lot of emails from my personal laptop. What email account I send the real deal from depends on the subject. At this point, the FBI and Secret Service aren’t looking to grab the emails, only the hacker.

  • I do not think Hillary would be doing much better, had she won the primary. It is not a question of how well Obama is campaigning, but rather in challenging the last eight years of rhetoric and politics. By saying this, I am not equating McCain with Obama (and I really loathe the Democrats who do this). He is different in many respects, but similar in many as well– and represents an extension of the Republican legacy.

    Bush has been extremely unpopular, but he did win a re-election. Government is not popular– Democrat or Republican (look at Congresses approval ratings). Pundits had assume people would connect the dots and see the Democrats at a relief from the current woes. I think that is far too simplistic a take for what is going on.

  • ed read

    I am still amazed how come the american people don´t like in a very clear way (60% – up)to elect someone smart, educated and honest as president.
    I also wonder why Obama and Hillary and other democrat leaders are so pale with their critics against McCain and his VP choice.

    Obama should understand that is his responsability to go with more energy and desicion against McCain and his surrogates.

  • OK…who’s Bill in this thread? cos I’m all confused…wtf?

    I’d like Obama to get a lot tougher, hopefully in the debates he’ll verbally grab McCains jugular and wring every last bit of Bush nonsense out of him.

  • Want to know why the election polls are so close? It’s white folks! The Bush administration is an abject failure getting worse as it slouches toward January — the only issue for Obama is convincing enough white people that he’s okay. Middle America is not going to give the keys to the White House to just anybody if that anybody is African American — but he can get the votes if he shows them who he is and that he understands their fears. What happened to that conversation on race we were going to have? If Obama wants to win, he’d better start the conversation himself.

  • Why Obama isn’t plugging the fact that he’s equally white as he is black beggars belief, that’s his race conversation.

  • freespirit

    Why?

    1) While American like to believe the represent the pinnacle of liberty and freedom…they are conservative in nature (9/11 has only exacerbated this).

    2) People in general have a short-term memory, whether it is in politics, financial markets, etc… history clearly shows they tend to make the same mistakes over and over again. (Thus the Bush baggage is not as heavy as you might think)

    3) Majority of people don’t follow politics in depth…Americans in particular are extremely superficial. This favors John McCain as he is a pretty straight talker…If you watch him you get the feeling..well, he is not the most charismatic character but what you see is what you get. No long winded answers. He keeps it short. People remember & prefer that.

    4) Unlike e.g. Clinton, Obama feels uneasy about attacking someone. However sometimes you have to talk straight and confront someone in an easy to follow, straight, confronting yet charismatic manner…Something Clinton had and Obama doesn’t! McCain wouldn’t stand a chance against someone with the charisma, and political and tactical savyness of good’ole Bill…

    5) Obama made a mistake in not nominating Hillary…I’m sure its because he doesn’t like her on a personal level…However, for the sake the people., when you just about clinge the nomination the way he did…you should honour your opponent…Obama/Clinton would have been every strong ticket…not because of their competence but because it would have completely united Democrats

  • Babs

    “4) Unlike e.g. Clinton, Obama feels uneasy about attacking someone. ”

    Have you listened to any of his stump speeches lately???? Most of his speech is just attacking McCain, and seems to be having a really good time doing it – more like a stand up comedian these days than a politician!

  • Dreadsen

    Babs

    The false lies in the McCain ad on the sex is.
    They claim the bill passed. It did not.
    They claim that it is his only accomplishment.
    That is a lie because it wasn’t even his bill and there are other bills he has actually presented which have passed.
    If supporting a bill that doens’t pass which you aren’t even a co sponsor counts as an accomplishment then he has a whole list of accomplishments.

    Obama has responded to this way before this.

    “Obama: We have a existing law that mandates sex education in the schools. We want to make sure that it’s medically accurate and age-appropriate. Now, I’ll give you an example, because I have a six-year-old daughter and a three-year-old daughter, and one of the things my wife and I talked to our daughter about is the possibility of somebody touching them inappropriately, and what that might mean. And that was included specifically in the law, so that kindergarteners are able to exercise some possible protection against abuse, because I have family members as well as friends who suffered abuse at that age. So, that’s the kind of stuff that I was talking about in that piece of legislation. ”

    Age appropriate meaning that if they are going to teach children “age appropriate” that they kids in kindergarten will be learning something different from the kids in 8th grade. It wasn’t specific in how this will differ between grades. There isn’t enough information to make the conviction of how it will be presented. You can come to the conclusion that kindergarten children will be learning how to put condoms on properly so they won’t get a disease or you can come to the conclusion that kindergarten children will learn what an inappropriate touch is and an 8th grader will get more advanced sex ed.
    They presented it in the nastiest way. Is it possible that if it passed they were going come up with a curricular which teaches 5 year olds how to have sex and slap on condoms. Yes i guess being that they said age appropriate that their this could be someone’s sick twisted view of what age appropriate is. it is possible. But what has gotten people in the media upset and even some Republicans is that they knew what the actual intent was.
    I’ve seen Tucker from the McCain camp and other people who support the presentation in the sex ad when asked if they think Obama wants to actually teach children who don’t know how to read how to have safe sex they will not answer. So they even know that this isn’t what he meant.
    Now if you support the way it was presented then that is fine.
    I saw the spanish ad on Limbaugh. I know exactly where they got it from. They ad is not true at all. But i think this is what Obama meant by taking off the gloves. If we go to FactCheck.org I bet you that if we compared who had been doing the most lying in their ads McCain would be winning hands down. And his lies have been winning and boosting his numbers. While Obama kept trying to come back by sticking on the issues or twisting a fact or exaggerating a fact it wasn’t working. So the cry is for him to get just as low and dirty as he has. Because Democrats with the exception of the Clintons have been known to be very weak and just let these types of politics run them over.
    So I don’t think anyone who has been supporting lies against Obama has the right to get upset when he finally starts to respond in the same way.

  • Babs

    LOL, Michael, you should’ve have looked at JD’s previous post before censoring mine – I was agreeing with his last sentence. But fine, that’s not my language, though, it was his.

    Dreadsen, I realize you just like to argue, but lets argue facts. I just went back and watched the ad again, and they did not 1) say the bill passed 2) say that Obama sponsored it 3) say that it was his only accomplishment period – they said it was his only accomplishment regarding education. Show me another one.

    The quote from Obama was exactly my point. He picked out one piece of the legislation to support, and threw the rest away. HOWEVER, the record shows he voted for the entire bill. If he didn’t agree with the entire bill, he shouldn’t have voted for it, that goes to his record. And you can’t throw away your voting record like you can throw away your office records – as he did. In this respect, I agree with his supporters. He’d better toughen up, your record can come back to bite you. Both of their records can.

  • Dreadsen

    Babs look again. it says it passed.

    ” Obama’s one accomplishment? Legislation to teach “comprehensive sex education” to kindergarteners. ”

    The legislation did not pass. Look at the photo on factcheck.org. right at the bottom of the photo with Obama’s face it shows that it passed.

    “The bill passed in the Health and Human Services Committee with Democrats, including Obama, voting along party lines in support of it. But the measure promptly stalled and died in the full Senate, and no action has been taken on it since late 2005.”

    That is not passing legislation like the ad portrays. So one acoomplishment in education is still a lie.

    And those are Facts.

    McCain voted against party lines when he voted against Martin Luther Kings Birthday as a holiday. But do you think that he honestly was against it being a holiday?
    Just like factcheck points out he voted against party lines but he has made it specifically clear that he is against explicit sex ed to little children. So Obama isn’t anywhere saying that this is what he wants to do. So if Obama voting along with party lines on that bill makes him a……… well then we know what that makes McCain for voting against MLK’s birthday.

  • Babs

    Really, what does it make him? I would’ve have voted against it, too. He wasn’t a president, that’s who gets holidays named after them. Why did he have a right to have a holiday named after him? Because he was murdered? So was Robert Kennedy, where’s his national holiday? Give him the Nobel Peace Prize for his work in civil rights? You betcha. Name a national holiday for him, AND name a street in every city after him? No. So what does that make me, Dreadsen?

  • Babs

    Seems Obama really DOES want SOMEone to get tougher, only it’s his fans, not him.

    “Sarah Palin responded to comments Barack Obama made on Wednesday when he told his supporters to try and persuade their friends to vote for him, “I want you to argue with them and get in their face” pressing that his backers “are the ones that can make my case.”

    Palin hit Obama and said that is not the politics of change, “He told them to get in your face and you know that doesn’t sound like the politics of hope or the politics of change to me,” Palin said. “What that sounds like is the worst of politics and earlier today when some protestors in another rally they tried to do exactly that. John McCain said and I quote, ‘The one thing that Americans want us to do is stop yelling at each other’ and now that is leadership.”

    Get in their face. Alrighty.

  • Stalin

    Babs

    I am so looking forward to one of my neighbors getting in my face. That won’t happen but I relish the thought.

    And if another 12 year old comes to my door with a clipboard trying to get me to vote for Obama I’m going to snap it over my knee and tell them to come talk to me when they have earned a paycheck showing their dedutions.

  • Babs

    Oh Stalin, I remember a kid about 12 walking up to me at a local festival with a clipboard and asking me if I was a registered voter, and I just looked down at him and said, “yes, are you”? When he said no I said then come back and bother me when you are.

    I think what Obama’s directive will cause is a lot of renewed internet spamming by the Obama trolls (different from Obama supporters, don’t start on me, Dreadsen). Of course, I’m with you. I have 2 new McCain/Palin signs going up in my yard today, and I’ll anxiously await anyone who wants to come by and get in my face over it. I’ve been getting a lot of abusive email from these trolls lately from publicly posted email addresses they grab on McCain sites. It’s getting funny, actually, except that a lot of them are vulgar. I usually forward them to the Obama campaign, so they can see how utterly intelligent these “backers” are that he wants to get in people’s faces. They might want to remember 4 million of us are NRA members. *LOL*

  • JD

    Babs – “I just looked down at him and said, “yes, are you”? When he said no I said then come back and bother me when you are.”

    Well, listen to miss tough girl. You grew some balls and told a 12 year old kid off. You should be proud. Even better, you should tell your story on Youdecide2008.com

    Naw, in all seriousness… we should belittle the youth of today for getting involved and what is even worse is that parents get them involved.

    Babs – “I’ve been getting a lot of abusive email from these trolls lately from publicly posted email addresses they grab on McCain sites.”

    It is hilarous because none of McCain supporters do this.

    Babs – “They might want to remember 4 million of us are NRA members. *LOL*”

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha….hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah….hahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha.

    CAN”T STOP LAUGHING… I just got the joke. You’ll shoot them if they get in your face! hahahahahahahahahha…. hahahahahahahahahaha

    K, thats enough. Lets get back to the issue so I don’t have to listen to the conservative 12yr olds complain and make the usual statements of the obvious that both parties are guilty of.

    Catch you guys on the flip side.

  • Babs

    Ok, let me give you something to laugh about, JD. 😉

    Jokes of the day:

    “U.S. Sen. Barbara Mikulski, D-Md., helped introduce Biden at the rally, referring to Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin as “George Bush in earrings.”

    I know you’ll love that one. It will go over SO well with women supporting Sarah Palin.

    “Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden said Friday that “ending the cowboy mentality of the Bush-McCain era” is part of the solution to the country’s financial crisis.”

    Guess Bush and McCain are cowboys – does that exempt them from being one of Biden’s patriots?

    Where was that thread where we were discussing the denigration of your opponate? I didn’t hear Biden denounces that “denigrading” remark about Sarah.

    Gee, I just can’t find anywhere today where McCain or Palin called any of their opponents anything like gaffemasters without a clue or Gore with big ears. Or any of the supporters who introduced them saying anything like that, either.

    Hmmm, Bush with earrings. How intelligent. And Obama and Biden just doesn’t allow that kind of thing.

  • JD

    Babs – “McCain or Palin called any of their opponents anything like gaffemasters without a clue or Gore with big ears. Or any of the supporters who introduced them saying anything like that, either.”

    It sounds like you are asking me to remind you of the ad McCain ran where he referred to Obama parting the seas…or the one about him being a celebrity, a Paris or Spears kind.

    When asked about it… the giggly ol’ guy said he thought it was funny. And it was… Obama can part the seas while McCain can barely part his hair.

    I wouldn’t want to end my reply without saying that I see what you are saying. But I already admitted to you that they “denigrate” Palin in the belittling sense of the word.

  • Michael

    Babs, my apology. You are absolutely right, I did not see that at the end of JD’s post.