Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine on Obama VP short list

Apparently, according to The Politico, he’s on the very, very short list. For Obama he offers the chance to gain some support in Virginia, a state which could be a key battleground in 2008 since polls indicate it could be a swing state this time around.

Here’s the report from Politico:

As Senator Barack Obama turns to the choice of his running mate, Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine has emerged as one of the campaign’s potential finalists, sources familiar with conversations in Richmond and in Chicago said.

Kaine, an early Obama supporter whose biography nicely dovetails with the Illinois senator’s, “ranks very, very high on the short list,” said a source who has spoken recently to senior Obama aides about Kaine.

Kaine “is getting a critical examination,” the source said.

The 50-year-old Virginia governor is among a handful of logical, and much-discussed, choices to join Obama on the campaign trail. Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, former Georgia Sen. Sam Nunn and Delaware Senator Joe Biden are among others frequently mentioned.

Obama and his top advisers met Monday afternoon at the Washington, D.C., law office of Eric Holder, one of the leaders of his vice presidential vetting team.

Kaine’s position as governor of a state the Obama campaign hopes to make a key battleground and his background as a Spanish-speaking former Catholic missionary and civil rights lawyer make him a strong potential pick.

Kaine could serve as ambassador, his proponents say, to four key groups: Virginians, Catholics, working-class white voters and Hispanics. (Kaine can be seen in one YouTube video endorsing Obama in proficient Spanish.)

The obvious stumbling block: a lack of foreign policy and Washington experience.

But Kaine’s political base of operations – some 100 miles south of Washington – seems to fit Obama’s hint, in an NBC interview taped Saturday, that he’d prefer a Beltway outsider.

Kaine may be strategic simply for the fact that Obama might be able to steal Virginia from McCain in 2008. I say “steal” since Virginia has voted Republican in the past 4 elections by more than 55% each time, thus making it traditionally a “red” state. However, this time around seems different as the polls show that Obama has the chance to make Virginia swing blue.

  • nzpudding

    Joe Biden would be my top pick, I really liked the guy in the debates. Kathleen Sebelius is a good choice too.

    I kinda like the idea of having someone like Colin Powell on the ticket. Not only would he appeal to the centrist and moderate Republicans, but he’s got twice as much foreign policy experience than both McCain and Obama put together.


    Powell would not and will not be on the ticket. And Kaine is a dumb choice, if Obama picks a 2 or 4 year governor with little experience, to be on his ticket it will be like a Junior Ticket for they will both be inexperienced compared to McCain and his choice.

  • nzpudding

    I think Powell would seriously consider it if he was asked. It would give him the opportunity to correct the mistake of invading Iraq, since he didn’t want to do go in anyway and tried his best to persuade Bush not to go in.

    Sibelius would only be a choice because she’s a woman and she’s not Hillary

  • nzpudding, I think Powell is as likely to join the republican ticket as he is to join the democratic ticket. I think he’s coveted as VP by many on both sides. I would certainly support him on a ticket with McCain, but I wouldn’t swing my vote if he were on a ticket with Obama.


    McCain hinted today at even having some female VP candidates and hopeful he picks one because that would be such a smart decision.

    What would you think of a McCain/ Condeleezza ticket?

  • O_S, I said a long time ago that I would vote for the woman for president. I also said that about Colin Powell. I think it’s one of the things that makes me so angry about getting tagged a racist because I don’t support Obama.

    When Condi said several months ago she didn’t want the job, I was really disappointed. I don’t care who associates her with the Bush Admin, she’s got a great relationship overseas with our allies, and I believe our enemies also respect her. She has more common sense than most, and a wonderful understanding of government and foreign relations. I don’t think he could do any better, but he will likely do just as well.

    PS – catch my invitation, O_S, on the other thread.

  • Rayven

    Ever one thinks Obama’s lack of experience is bad . Some of our greatest presidents didn’t have a lot of check this out;
    as you can see Abraham Lincoln had just as much as Obama .Both had 10 years of experience.Notice the guy thats at the bottom of list.How much experienced is he ?A little history .

  • What does Obama have 10 years of experience in? College? 143 days in the senate is a long way from 10 years.

  • Dreadsen

    Colin Powell said he didn’t know who he was going to endorse for president. That really says something. I got the video if you want to see it.
    Colin Powell also has been making lots of statements about how he was used to mislead us into the war. They gave him intelligence which they KNEW had “burn notices” as he called it. Powell has also talked about how Obama’s experience isn’t that big of a factor and showed how many other people didn’t have as much experience either. I can provide you all enough video Colin Powell saying things in favor of Obama and against how the War was waged to make you change your mind on him.
    Colin Powell being On the ticket with McCain would the the equivalent of Chuck Hagel on the ticket with either one of them.

  • nzpudding

    I’d like to see the video Dreadsen.

    Being a leader isn’t about knowing every single thing there is to know, it’s about surrounding yourself with the best team who can advise you in the best possible way. So Obama’s so-called lack of experience really is neither here nor there.

    The Republicans need to accept the fact that Obama’s going to win and start uniting behind him ;o)


    OK so McCain’s so called lack of experience and knowledge is neither here nor there and is no big deal than right?

  • Josh

    O.S., what, exactly, has been McCain’s military leadership experience, and how, if there is any, is that experience related in any way to the situation we now face? Here’s the difference between Obama and McCain on this: McCain thinks that he knows everything about foreign policy, and, like the Bush administration, is unlikely to listen to the voices that actually know a thing or two about foreign policy. Obama, on the other hand, knows he has little experience in this arena and has shown a willingness to take input from all sides of the situation, instead of taking the overtly antagonistic approach that Bush and McSame are fond of.

    Babs, certainly no one should be calling you a racist for not voting for Obama, that’s ridiculous (though to be expected, somewhat). However, Condi wouldn’t be much of an asset to the McCain ticket for two big reasons. Number one, having a black woman on a Republican ticket wouldn’t be the best idea in the first place (notice how there isn’t a single elected black GOP official in Washington). Furthermore, if the goal of having her on the ticket were to grab votes from Obama, it would fail miserably. Condoleeza Rice is perhaps the biggest uncle Tom (or Auntie Tom if you prefer) on the planet in the eyes of many Black Americans, so I’m not sure what that would accomplish, except to furthure link McCain to the Bush administration.


    I forgot to say his lack of knowledge and experience with economics, sorry LOL.

  • Dreadsen

    No babs if someone is saying you are racist just for not supporting Obama then they are probably racist themselves.
    But you know i’m not going to name any names but you can tell by the style and content of someone rallying against Obama if they have an issue with him not being White. And I know you have probably know at least one person who participates on this board who may fit that mold or have encountered similar people elsewhere. Like that bogus Obama support site we saw on here. We know there are people who may actually come close to fitting the type of mentality that the site was trying to portray. Those people would obviously be voting against McCain( well at the time Hilary) probably because he is white.


    Here is Colin Powell explaining how he was misled about the intelligence he was given to present to the U.N.

    Colin Powell here explaining how he tried to advise against the war and why he resigned. I mean what good did all of Colin Powell’s experience do?

    Colin Powell talking about not knowing who to endorse between Hilary, Obama and McCain. He also talks about this experience fallacy.

    Here is Colin Powell talking about negotiating with Iran, Syria and he also points out how Obama said “we” would talk to them not “he”. So here is Powell supporting negotiating with States you don’t get along with.

    Here is Powell talking about Guantanamo which supports the Supreme Courts ruling which McCain attacked Obama for supporting.

  • nzpudding

    Colin Powell is an extremely smart guy, I really do hope he has some involvement with Obama.


    who do you think fits that dreadsen?

  • If you look at the Real Clear Politics map Obama only needs to win one of the following toss ups

    Virgina +2
    Ohio +2
    Florda +2

    and he will be he next president!

    Tim Kaine is a very good choice since it would lock down Virgina.

  • Go OBAMA!

  • Jeff, you forgot to mention how much Obama’s lead in those two states have SHRUNK this week. *ROFL*

    “The Quinnipiac University polls, conducted from July 23-29, found that Obama’s lead has weakened in Pennsylvania and Ohio, two key swing states in November’s presidential election. The poll also found the two candidates in a virtual tie in Florida.

    According to the poll, Obama is ahead of McCain by 7 percentage points, 49 to 42 percent, in Pennsylvania — a drop from that same poll last month, which showed Obama leading McCain by 12 percentage points at 52 to 4o percent.

    In Ohio, the Illinois senator had a 6-point lead last month. McCain is now just 2 points behind him. The poll shows Obama with 46 percent, McCain at 44 percent. Both men and women in the Buckeye State are closely split in their support of either candidate.

    McCain has also gained ground in Florida. Both candidates are basically tied; Obama has 46 percent compared with McCain’s 44 percent, but likely independent voters in Florida have shifted toward McCain. Forty-six percent support him compared with 41 percent who prefer Obama. In the same poll taken last month, Obama led among independents, 47 percent to 37 percent.

    The Quinnipiac University polls involved telephone interviews with 1,248 likely Florida voters, with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.8 percentage points; 1,229 likely Ohio voters, with a 2.8 point margin of sampling error; and 1,317 likely Pennsylvania voters with a 2.7 point margin of sampling error.”

    Dreadsen, nzpudding, take a visit over to the “elections” section of YA sometimes, and you’ll see what I’m talking about. If I was ever going to vote for Obama, one hour of reading the trash the Obama “trolls” write over there would turn me against. Unfornately, there’s thousands of them over there and one has to wonder how many of them are on Obama’s payroll sometimes with the way they phrase their racism attacks.

    nz, I wasn’t advocating Condi because she’s black or a woman. I was advocating her because I respect her, and so does our foreign allies. She has what Nancy Pelosi sorely lacks – a brain.

  • Sorry, I meant that last for Josh, not nz.

    “(notice how there isn’t a single elected black GOP official in Washington)”

    Where were you going with this one, Josh? Black Republicans in Washington:

    1)Claude Allen, former White House Domestic Policy Advisor

    2)Janice Rogers Brown, a federal judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals

    3)Keith Butler, Republican national committeeman from Michigan, former councilman for Detroit, minister and former U.S. Senatorial candidate

    4)Clarence H. Carter, Director of the District of Columbia’s Department of Human Services, former administration official under President George W. Bush [3]

    5)William Thaddeus Coleman, Jr., fourth United States Secretary of Transportation, first African American Supreme Court Clerk

    6)Arthur Fletcher, official in the administrations of Presidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and George H.W. Bush; considered the “father of affirmative action”

    7)Rod Paige, seventh U.S. Secretary of Education

    8)Samuel Pierce, former HUD Secretary

    9)Colin Powell, first African-American U.S. Secretary of State

    10)Michael Powell, former chairman of the Federal Communications Commission

    11)Pierre-Richard Prosper, former Bush Administration war crimes official

    12)Kristal C. Quarker, Health and Education Policy Advisor to Representative Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI-11), 2008 Chairwoman of the Black Republican Congressional Staff Association

    13)Condoleezza Rice, sixty-sixth U.S. Secretary of State

    14)Clarence Thomas, U.S. Supreme Court Justice

    15)William T. Vernon, Registrar of the Treasury under President Theodore Roosevelt

    16)J. Ernest Wilkins, Sr., Assistant Secretary of Labor under President Eisenhower

    All African American, and all REPUBLICAN. If you’re that misinformed, Josh, about all those “Uncle Toms” in Washington hitory, try studying up on the subject at “Republicans for Black Empowerment” Need I tell you how racist the term “Uncle Tom” is?

  • Josh

    Babs, there was a reason I said no elected officials. The Republican party itself is not racist, so there are plenty of black Republicans who are appointed to positions, but none who were actually elected. In fact, very few Black Republicans (if any) get on the Republican ticket in the first place. Why is this? Because there is a part of the American populace that is racist, and unfortunately the vast majority of them vote Republican (probably due to unrelated issues, but they still vote Republican nevertheless).

  • Babs:

    I can’t read the crap some of the Obamamites write just like I can’t read some of the crap the McCainanites write. I don’t think any of them are on Obama’s payroll, they’re just kids with an overactive imagination.

    Interesting point Josh. I don’t think the Republican Party is racist but more the fact racists link themselves with the Republican Party and they both get tarred with same brush. Kinda like how Obama got tarred with the same brush as Rev. Wright.

  • vowel_movement

    Tim Kaine actually said this folks:

    “It was a bad crisis for the world. It required tough words but also a smart approach to call on the international community to step in. And I’m very, very happy that the Senator’s [Barak Obama’s] request for a ceasefire has been complied with by President Medvedev.”

    Maybe a heart beat away. Sheesh!

    What a bunch of doltish maroons you’se dem”O”Lemmings are.

  • vowel_movement

    Now he gone and did it? Obama done Save de hole whorl. He s’perienced nuff for yo. He smard to. He gonna pick Tim Kaine anudder smart braimdamaged politician.

    Whad a guy!

    Tim Kaine actually said this folks: Thank Allah for Obama and the great unfuzzedup minds he has in his squirrels nest.

    “It was a bad crisis for the world. It required tough words but also a smart approach to call on the international community to step in. And I’m very, very happy that the Senator’s [Barak Obama’s] request for a ceasefire has been complied with by President Medvedev.”

    Maybe a single heart beat away. Sheesh!

    What a bunch of doltish maroons you’se dem”O”Lemmings are still. Wake up and smell the chiterlings.

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    insightful! Thank you for sharing your feelings with us.