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just wanted to tell you that your analogy on media coverage is correct.It defeats this false crap about the media being in love with Obama. They may be in love as far as wanting to cover him. But they want to peddle this bull that they are only covering positive things and are doing away with anything negative. But just one thing i want to disagree with. I think the liberals argument about unfair negativity was during the long weeks of rev. wright coverage. Not the same stance now.

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I went to your link and watched the video and I believe it points out exactly what Republican’s believe. Tell me is there anybody interested in this race that does not know about McCains conflicting statements on these subjects ?

It has been covered, I watched the correction by Liberman on Fox the day it happened.

McCains comments on walking through the streets of Iraq were widely covered on all networks.

In my opinion Obama kinda set himself up for problems with the media. He became popular by trashing all old style politicians, first in his own party and now McCain. He got traction with the voters by doing this which made him appear to be fresh and pure (in a political since). Now that he has a competitor who is not from his party we are hearing things that damage that image. The Obama supporters were not frustrated with the media during the Clinton war but have become so now that the media dares to say ANYTHING which does not reflect a total devotion toward him or his cause. His cause is beating Mac right now and when the media doesn’t give issues the attention HE feels they need he and his supporters are in bewilderment as to why.

The fact is, like it or not when a man portrays himself as the honest all inclusive candidate that can solve all issues it will get more coverage. Mac,as a 27 year politician is simply not as interesting as Obama therefore he will never get more news coverage. But here is the catch the trap Obama has set for himself is that since he is more interesting- when he changes on a position or trys to say he didn’t know he attended a racist church for 20 years or some other “political” issue arises it is more interesting because of who he says he is. It does more damage because he has this awe factor surrounding him. I find it interesting that Obama supporters are yelling about McCain not getting enough negative coverage while complaining that the negative coverage they get is unfair.

Mike another point you made was to say the best info comes from sources like You Tube. I checked on Brave New Films, the film company who posted your video. I went to THEIR SITE and looked at all the vidoes they have posted. If you do this it is easy to see it is a left wing attack site. Every video they have is against anybody who slants against Obama. They even hit Chris Matthews, a long time Democrat. I also typed in “Obama” I could not find one negative video on him from that site.

I would like you to find me a video montage from that site against Obama. If you can’t then your source is not FAIR AND BALANCED. (I did that just to bother you guys)

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Some people don’t like Facts.
Especially when they have a talking point preprogrammed.
Their whole argument was based on this Media being nice and not covering anything negative on Obama.
Now the truth is out and they don’t like it.
But one things about Facts is you don’t have to like it. Liking it is not required.

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I’m sorry, but I find that to be a poor argumented idea that many people are falling into. Why? Is there evidence that the media is going soft on him? I can agree on how much they talk about him, and of course, that’s always propaganda. Bad propaganda is propaganda anyway. But I find the media going much more softer on McCain. And hey, that turned out to be more than just an opinion. The Center for Media and Public Affairs argues this too?

Why does people choose to ignore something like this? Ok, they don’t believe it, but they got something on it BESIDES mere opinion? Todd, what do you think of this?

Look, I would happily like to watch an impartial american media bussiness, but that’s as hard to find as it gets. But, when I see the “news”, I can’t find the same kind of news that I find in an (arguably) unbiased place like Youtube. Youtube!

Seriously, just type “McCain” in youtube and open the first video in the list. Here it is:

http://es.youtube.com/wat.....EtZlR3zp4c

Now this… this defines flip-floppin’.

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They kill the spirit of this country with constant yelping about things that increase their ratings. They are aware that human nature is drawn to controversy and they do what they can to, enhance, the drama of every story they tell.

They are the modern day version of a train wreck except they intentionally make every issue the equivalent of a disaster just so we will watch.

A perfect example, even though I watch them, is Fox when they play the music and flash the words “breaking news” across the screen. The commentator then will almost always say “this just in to Fox news”. We are sitting there thinking oh no what has happened ! Then we discover the the LA County Fire Dept. is trying to put a car fire out on the interstate—WHAT, that’s breaking news ?

The worse part about it is that at least 40% of the people out there believe it’s breaking news

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http://www.realclearpolit....._vote.html

after you guys read this watch the major news networks and see if they mention Obama’s voting on this issue. seems he was in the Chaney/Bush oil wagon himself.

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I am working on a post that explains why I need more than 900 words to post. :0

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Furthermore, I find the disparity between total airtime given to Obama over McCain to be far more decisive. In my opinion, there’s no such thing as bad publicity.

The findings are not so cut and dry.

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I too would like to know how it works.

On your point I would just say that I am referring to the people under the governments as well as the governments who support it. The Wahhabi’s extremist viewpoints are no better than the KKK using the bible in the U.S. to justify killing, it has to be stopped. It is the responsibility of every government to protect it’s people since in this matter it causes us to war against each other and ourselves it is the responsibility of all governments to stop it. Look at it this way Sunni extremist are at war with other Sunni’s who are moderate and Shia’s period, or infighting if you will over who is the best or who is more correct. We in the west are engaged in a war of words which get heated at times over the way we should respond to the extremist. It’s causing all of us to fight, even against our own people

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How would a guest commentary work for Todd and I?

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As for your analysis of different countries, I would caution you in how you characterize them. You are speaking of governments, not the people or diverse groups and nations living underneath them. Certainly our current administration is not a strong reflection of everyone living in the U.S. I would urge people to think the same about other governments around the world. This political world is one of governments, policies, power-brokerage, and economic undertows.

Greg Mortenson’s work in Pakistan and Afghanistan is a good read (Three Cups of Tea) and exemplifies this point.

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I believe this relates to the media’s coverage in that some, pushed by Republican’s, have presented Obama as a Muslim in hopes that it will be looked at as bad. This tactic is wrong and I believe it is very harmful to the war we need to be engaged in. Being a Muslim is NOT indicative of being a terrorist. Please read the following post and let me have it. While reading it remember I am a Conservative person who has voted for Republican Presidents in every election, although I have voted for a few democrats in the senate and house and locally.

ANYWAY HERE IT IS

Dreadsen,

You know what I just thought of reading your post ? When you said I sometimes start on talking points my first thought was that these are not talking points it is how I really feel, then it hit me you guys really believe what you say too. I know that may be condensing but I always looked at liberals,libertarians,Greens and others as spouting their “talking points” meant to critique the sitting party. I guess the environment of politics has created this distrust.(I bet we could argue over who started the distrust if we wanted to) .

Anyway, back to the war. You cite the truth about a lot of countries and yes we should deal with all of them as enemies until they prove otherwise. Dealing with them as enemies is not, however, a call to fight all of them at the same time.

Iran–This country is supporting a different kind of terrorist (not any better but different)Iran’s actions are based almost solely against Israel, in that they support Hamas and suicide bombings and indirectly see us as an enemy of that entity which occupies their brother’s land. Iranians are Shia Muslim’s they do not believe the infidel should die just because they are infidel’s and they are seen as dirty by the extremist Sunni’s (Wahhabi’s), who believe that in the coming of GOD, will be seen as blasphemous to the Islamic religion. Sunni extremist, such as the Taliban, believe that Shia are just as dirty as us. This is why you see sectarian violence in Iraq (Shia v Sunni). Iran can be talked to because the visceral hate of the west is not present BECAUSE IT IS NOT RELIGION BASED but they have to accept Israel !

Pakistan–this country has placed itself in between a rock and a hard place. They want to be our “allies” yet they have a significant Muslim population. In order to keep the extremist from overthrowing the U.S. friendly government the U.S. has to make it appear as though Pakistan is handling the matter of terrorist in the country. As soon as the U.S. goes over that boarder in mass Pakistan will become an extremist controlled country with nukes. Yet I can promise you that we are in Pakistan.

Saudi Arabia—The birth place or Sunni extremist. This is the country that teaches the Wahhabi version of Islam to it’s kids and then exports it by virtue of spreading Islam (their version). We should abandon them, treat them as an enemy and befriend Iran (their natural enemy) We cannot simply talk to Saudi Arabia and ask them to do right because they cannot really go against the terrorist and keep their kingdom. It would also kill our economy since they are our biggest middle eastern supplier of Oil. Another reason we should be drilling our own oil, until we have mass produced alternative fuels.

Syria—Syria is the exact replica as Iran, same method should be applied.

My point is that as a result of the extremist views held by a growing Sunni Muslim extremist religious population (I should also say that even the Sunni’s who do not hold the extreme viewpoint are considered dirty to the Wahhabi’s and in their view need to be cleansed) we have an opportunity to rid the world of all terrorist. Iran supported our invasion of Afghanistan becasue the Taliban are Sunni extremist, their enemy.

We should talk to Iran and Syria, become more balanced in our dealings with Israel (mainly in demanding the dismantling all settlements) and Secure Iraq, move a large force into Afghanistan and win there and then deal with Saudi Arabia. This will take time ! We can start by making it very clear to the kingdom that they will no longer be considered a friendly nation if they continue to fund extremist schools and export terror. We should demand that THEY, with logistical help from us if needed, wipe out the Wahhabi sect. This will be a huge under taking for them and they will have the chance to show the world where they stand. If they do not do this we should be able to gather a large contingent of countries including Iran and Syria who will support an eradication of the most dangerous terrorist, Sunni Wahhabi’s. Yes I am talking about invasion. However I do not think it will come to this if we are fair in our dealings with the Middle East and Israel. Iran, Syria, Jordan, Egypt and the smaller countries of that region can and will support us if we show we are trust worthy and do what we say we will do.

If we do what we say and stay fair, I believe that Hamas and terrorist sponsored by Syria and Iran in Lebanon will go away on their own, if not Iran and Syria will handle it because they will see it as a losing matter and against their own interest. Given the fact we can respectfully ask them to stop based on our acts of goodwill. They also would know we hold the key to the key of an independent Palestinian state.

The alternative to this in my view is a war that is actually eternal, which is what democrats say they oppose the most. The Wahhabi do not plan on living with any of us, therefore we will always be at war if we do not stop them. A war we cannot stop simply by being nice anymore than a Catholic can stop being a Catholic, a JEW stop being a Jew or a Baptist stop being a Baptist. Sunni Wahhabi’s are of the religious belief that the world must be made clean in preparation for GOD (and you thought Christians were demanding). This is not about oil to them it’s about unclean people inhabiting the earth who must be cleansed or killed, to be cleansed you have to subscribe to their belief.

Keep in mind this cannot be done without drilling our own oil. But also keep in mind the U.S. government must be MADE to remove all subsidies from all companies. (Why do we pay farmers not to grow certain food when the world is hungry ?), tax them at the same rate as every other company and use the subsidies to fund alternative energy.

If we did all this we could have world peace and settled boarders in 10 years and alternative fuel in 5.

by the way I did not mean to say we should change our reasons for going into Iraq, but I meant to say that should have been the reason in the first place. I am currently attending a course of instruction Called Understanding Islamic Terrorist-it’s worldwide context, When I complete it I will have college credit and California credentials as a Law enforcement intelligence officer specializing in terrorism. I assure you from what I have seen Republican’s and Democrats are not taking this thing seriously. The course is taught by US Naval intelligence officers. I have seen the extremist in their own words, I have heard from those who were called to cleanse their own families but choose to flee Saudi Arabia instead they give very interesting insight as to what Iraq is about to them and what it will mean if we are perceived as the loser. With all that said I ask you this-if a local law enforcement officer in small town USA knows all this do you really believe the democrats don’t ? When we hold Democrats AND Republican’s accountable on Iraq we can began what we really need to do first and that is acknowledge a war on terror is actually needed and it has to be both bi-partisan and real. This stuff about they didn’t attack us worked in the 20th century but extremist are by nature not held to border limitations, like religion in ever aspect it spreads across nations and has no respect for bounds. It is no longer valid to say, ___________ (insert your pick) didn’t attack us so we should not attack them because the nature of the problem, which is to allow it to accumulate and fester in your country is a danger to us all. Democrat & Republican, Green & Reform, white & black, male and female, Christian & Islamic–worldwide.

I hate to keep using comparison’s which are old and stupid but there is a reason they take the cancer out of your body, if it stays it kills you.

Rayven I never said we are innocent I have tried to tell you that we are the right ones in this fight though. I also just said we should be more balanced but that doesn’t keep the Sunni from killing the Shia and being a Shiite is as close as you will ever get to thinking like an Sunni extremist. I do not intend to be a jerk but you need to educate yourself before you decide it’s our fault because religious belief is much more involved than whose fault it is. It is salvation to the Wahhabi’s. We have to stop applying OUR thought process to the oldest religion in the world which has been diluted by extremist, it ain’t working in politics and it doesn’t work in any attempt to understand or reason with them. Did Spain, Indonesia, Egypt, Morocco, Jordan and the royal family of Saudi Arabia have their foot on their throats also they are all victims of terrorist attacks since 2005.

Dreasden I will give you my response to all these post tomorrow, I am sleepy right now.

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A friend of mine jokingly said the other day, that just before he dies he’s going to change his allegiance from a Democrat to a card carrying Republican, because it’s better a dead Republican than Democrat. In a twisted way I found that quite amusing as it pointed out some of the radical views out there.

There is a media bias, but I think that’s more towards the Democratic Party in general rather than just Obama. Most of the media don’t like Bush and since he’s a Republican it goes hand in hand with them not really liking McCain. I don’t agree with it but I understand it.

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Unlike this, the website you directed is much like ours. It is “humanities” driven, where people are commenting and analyzing information from their standpoints, using logic and reasoning. It is less quantitative and absent of the statistical rigor. There is no better system, it is just important to note where subjectivity falls in with these reviews.

Taking the social science method into account, I doubt that CMPA created a liberal-biased system to input their data into, but this is something you could raise as a possibility.

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