Ron Paul supporters quietly plotting GOP convention revolt

I’m betting this is going to develop into something very entertaining and almost welcome by some Republicans rather displeased with McCain. Ron Paul was, for quite some time, the lunatic in the GOP race. That is, until McCain took the nomination. Then Ron Paul looked like the last conservative in the race.

Enter the Paul campaign and supporters with a plan to make a stand at the convention, story from Top of the Ticket:

Virtually all the nation’s political attention in recent weeks has focused on the compelling state-by-state presidential nomination struggle between two Democrats and the potential for party-splitting strife over there.

But in the mean time, quietly, largely under the radar of most people, the forces of Rep. Ron Paul have been organizing across the country to stage an embarrassing public revolt against Sen. John McCain when Republicans gather for their national convention in Minnesota at the beginning of September.

Paul’s presidential candidacy has been correctly dismissed all along in terms of winning the nomination. He was even excluded as irrelevant by Fox News from a nationally-televised GOP debate in New Hampshire.

In the last three months, Paul’s forces, who donated $34.5 million to his White House effort and upward of a million total votes, have, as The Ticket has noted, been fighting a series of guerrilla battles with party establishment officials at county and state conventions from Washington and Missouri to Maine and Mississippi. Their goal: to take control of local committees, boost their delegate totals and influence platform debates.

They hope to demonstrate their disagreements with McCain vocally at the convention through platform fights and an attempt to get Paul a prominent speaking slot. Paul, who’s running unopposed in his home Texas district for an 11th House term, still has some $5 million in war funds and has instructed his followers that their struggle is not about a single election, but a long-term revolution for control of the Republican Party.

So eager are they to follow their leader’s words, that Paul’s supporters have driven his new book, “The Revolution: A Manifesto,” to the top of several bestseller lists.

While Paul has consistently refused a third-party bid, he has vowed not to endorse McCain, a refusal mirrored by hundreds of his supporters who have left comments on The Ticket in recent weeks. And, no doubt, they’ll flock back here today to spread the gospel below.

Looks like both conventions will be plagued by a block of voters who feel underrepresented.

  • OBAMA_SUCKS

    Ron Paul and all his supporters always make me laugh. Just like Rudy Giuliani once said and you know ” some how ron paul won all the debates” ahaha. His crew is always out there they control youtube and everythign always trying to win people over with their conspiracies and b.s. IT is quite hilarious to see.

  • Babs

    I liked his website where they were plotting to steal all the delegate votes at the convention saying the peoples votes didn’t matter. Why do they keep re-electing him in Texas? =/

  • Josh

    Truthfully, I think the fact that Ron Paul didn’t get the Republican nod is indicative of the fact that the Republican party is no longer true to it’s roots, and has become dominated by neo-cons, who always share the social values of the new Republican Party, but rarely share the fiscal values that formed the foundation of the original Republican party. Paul was the only Republican candidate that reflected these values. That’s not to say that I like Ron Paul, but then I’m not a Republican.

    O.S. I do think that Paul took the conspiracy theory B.S. way to far, and that’s probably one of the biggest factors that turned conservatives off. His most vocal supporters seem to be the ones that believe that 9/11 was a U.S. government plot and that globalization is some kind of world-wide scheme to send us all to internment camps.

  • Dem ’08

    I actually know many people who support Ron Paul but I have not heard any of them talk about how 9/11 was a government plot. You can not tie these people to Paul. Sure Paul knows that the war in Iraq was stupid and it was just a Bush plan. The war if any should have been with the people who attacked the U.S. and at the time there were none of them in Iraq.
    Paul knows why the economy is down and the dollar has fallen and it’s not because people buy big screen tv’s like that loopy Conservitive Gal thinks. You can yell Republican or Democrat all day but that is just stupid. The issues need attention and it don’t take a Republican or a Democrat to solve them.
    All it takes is an honest person who cares about the American people first who has good moral values and who has concern for everybody and not just the rich. I tell you one thing, McCain, Obama, or Clinton neither one fit this description but if you have to choose one, a non biased person could easily see Clinton get closer than the others!

  • Josh

    Nah, not all of Ron Paul’s supporters were like that, but I’m talking mainly about the ones that are the most vocal (i.e. the ones dominating youtube). Come on now Dem08, honesty doesn’t win you public office…:)

  • Babs

    Josh, what do you consider the principles of the original Republican Party to be? The Republican Party emerged pre Civil War and was formed and stood primarily for a ban to slavery in the territories and in protest of the Kansas-Nebraska Bill in 1854, which negated the Compromise of 1820. The first successful Republican to gain the Presidency was Abraham Lincoln. So, the Republican Party being born and built entirely around the issue of opposing slavery, how does this support the theory that Ron Paul is true to the original values of the party? What fiscal values are we talking about here, because I’ve really tried to understand this guy and I don’t see anything about him that’s, well, sane.

  • Christopher Schwinger

    Until earlier this year, I thought Dr. Paul was a shrill nut who appealed to people who hated taxes and hated the US military. I’d been brainwashed, though, as I saw in Aaron Russo’s FREEDOM TO FASCISM (Google Video). (Ron Paul approved of hunting down bin Laden since he attacked us.) Be forewarned that once you see that two-hour presentation, which includes live footage of a top IRS man saying the Constitution doesn’t matter, you won’t feel so safe about your government. There’s some “food for thought”.

    A conservative person such as I has not gone bonkers by seeing truth in what Ron Paul says. I just have become more educated. AND, I’ve been SLOW, not SUDDEN, in accepting the existence of massive treason in our government. Two other books that are educating me are called LIBERAL FASCISM (Jonah Goldberg) and THE COMMITTEE OF 300 (Dr. John Coleman). Both of them are solid on their facts and have enormous research and sources to back their statements up.

  • Christopher Schwinger

    http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2008/cbarchive_20080115.html
    Chuck Baldwin is representing the Constitution Party, which I am strongly leaning toward. He seems like an excellent communicator.

    Also, if you are interested in learning more about the dangers to our sovereignty and Constitution, watch the video ENDGAME, which is at Google Video or http://www.thompsoncoalition.com ! Alex Jones, Aaron Russo, and Dr. John Coleman are all people you should check out.

  • Watchman2008

    I hope the Ron Paul people DO something big! Wake up the Republican party! I am not voting for McCain and his 1,000 yr wars… we are not Islamic fascist. Obama and Hillary want to give illegals drivers license so they can drive back & forth over the border. Obama and Hillary voted against the english language as the default language of America. McCain voted for illegals to get Social Security Benefits. As far as I am concerned the 3 stooges McCain, Obama and Hillary are not worth my vote. I will vote Ron Paul!

  • bennett

    Ron Paul was and is directly connected to the 9/11 conspiracy theorist crowd,… his most ardent and original supporters are also ones who have INFOWARS stickers all over their cars, and I cannot tell you how many times he has gone on Alex Jones (Creator of Infowars) show to do interviews and support the cause of Jones and his fanatical supporters. I know because I live in the epicenter of this movement, the hometown of Jones and the base (albeit a few hundred miles from Paul’s District) Austin, TX.
    Babs I would say one reason that people keep reelecting him to Congress, and one reason why his ideas were considered so ridiculous as a Presidential Candidate is that Libertarian ideas and policies (in my opinion) are ideas that make a lot of sense and are practical at the local level (where libertarians have the strongest showing and representation) but on the federal level they are absolutley impractical and would return us to an era of 1890’s Gilded Age (even more so than now). For example, Paul seems to think that the Federal Reserve acts with some sadistic motivation in contracting and expanding the money supply (ie controlling inflation and trying to maintain long term growth), and is an institution that only looks out for the interests of the super wealthy and banking class, his solution is to abolish it and switch over to the gold standard… I don’t know if he realizes how consolidated the gold market is, but this act alone would surely empower, suck wealth into, and give a very small class of people far outside the accountability of government immense control over our economy and our daily lives.. The Fed may not be the most perfect solution to managing our money supply and long term growth, but it is far better than the ideas that Ron Paul has laid out. Anyway gotta run, sorry for the hurried and not totally articulate post, more later….

  • Christopher Schwinger

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59405
    One of the current Federal Reserve people says the Fed caused the Great Depression. (Why else but to expand the power of government, I add?)

  • Christopher Schwinger

    Regarding bennett’s statements about Ron Paul having solutions that would only help the state governments: well that’s true, because this country is composed of states. To remove federal government involvement in local affairs solves a lot of problems, because not every locality fits the same mold. Government regulation hampers citizens’ ingenuity in solving problems. FEMA made a mess, to say the least, at New Orleans. Local relief did a much better job. But other government programs, such as Social Security, are just as botched-up. Medicare and Medicaid, too. Government was not meant to be the provider of everything to everyone. Diminishing federal authority is the way to go.

  • Dreadsen

    Chris Schwinger

    The Federal Reserve isn’t run by the Government. Going back to the gold standard would be taking us BACK to the U.S. Treasury which IS run by the government.

  • Christopher Schwinger

    Dreadsen, I still have a lot to learn about the gold standard, etc., but I know that it keeps money stable. You’re right that the Fed isn’t government-controlled; the Fed controls the government! To partially explain: much of our tax money goes to the Fed to pay interest (the politicians use Fed money instead of asking for more unpopular tax hikes). If a small few can control the US economy, then they can control basically everything. I don’t know if you’re interested, but investigate what G. Edward Griffin has to say. If you’re open to it, it would fascinate you.

  • Babs

    Well, McCain also believes that some power AND spending should be reverted back onto the shoulders of the states and I can agree with that. But is the Libertarian view not to basically disband the Federal Government? “…arguing for massive reductions in the powers of government at all levels. It opposes censorship, calls for termination of the welfare system, promotes free trade, and seeks the eventual elimination of taxation.” (Encyclopedia Americana online) That I can’t agree with, as I see the Federal government as being the only glue holding the states together as a union. Without it, I don’t think the US would be the Super Power it is, do you? If I’m wrong, educate me here. =)

    Bennett, you made sense, thanks for explaining it.

  • Christopher Schwinger

    If you don’t mind me “chiming in”, there is such a thing as too Libertarian. I’m not going to base this off the problems of the Confederacy in the Civil War, however, because I am not knowledgeable about that.

    The federal government has the responsibilities of supporting the military of the United States, establishing a uniform currency, keeping an efficient inter-state postal system, and resolving quarrels between/among states. “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

    Two comments I have about this: first, it’d be a stretch to change “promote the general welfare” to “provide the general welfare”. Furthermore, the federal government is to let the states do that job, since the Constitution does not EXPLICITLY grant the federal government the power to establish universal health care or end poverty (Amendment 10: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”)

    Second, I disagree with Libertarians on censorship. The local branches of TV broadcasting corporations fear reprisal from the corporation’s HQ if they adjust their agenda to fit the local community’s interest. And so, for example, CBS affiliates (local branches) have aired DEXTER nationwide in PRIME-TIME. DEXTER is the most gruesome show in history, according to the Parents Television Council, featuring a serial killer whom you are to empathize with. Such a show first violates the local interests, as evinced in many many many many petitions (mostly through the Parents Television Council), but also will lead to increased domestic VIOLENCE instead of ENSURING DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY. The PTC attempts to carry out the goal of the Constitution (ensuring domestic tranquility and promoting the general welfare through preventing indecency in entertainment) by following the Constitution’s method. Through a Congressional commission that cooperates with the PTC, the legislative branch licenses the executive branch to put legal and financial pressure on TV broadcasting corporations. This is constitutionally done to carry out a goal of the Constitution, and is okay.

    Regarding free trade, I’m not sure, but I think the Libertarians favor tariffs, which protect our economy from being too dependent on China and other countries.

  • Stalin

    If any of you ever want to see the history of the Federal Reserve, watch this. It’s very long, but it is a very scary documentary on how the Federal Reserve was formed by a few people and how those people continue to manipulate currencies all over the world to their own benefit and the detriment of entire countries. They have even caused wars. After watching this, you will probably want the entire Rothchild family thrown in jail.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936&q=the+money+masters&total=586&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

  • Christopher Schwinger

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=59405
    The Federal Reserve caused the Great Depression.

  • Babs

    Chris, this article begins by saying “despite” other ecomonic experts opinions. Do you have any links other than this one theory by one expert?

  • Dreadsen

    Chris Schwinger

    With out reading that link (i will though) i will tell you what i believed to be a problem with the backing of the u.s. dollar by gold standard of the u.s. treasury.

    The Gold standard is what help contribute to the great depression. We left the gold standard to go to the new system THEN we went into depression. But i believe we went to the new system because we saw the problem of the gold standard coming and tried to avoid it with the new system but it was too late.
    Part of the problem was funding the war. The war going to use up all of our currency (well other countries were seeing the problem too and dumped the gold standard before we did) You had to mine more gold to add more money to the economy. This makes it very hard to manipulate the economy. And VERY easy to spend much more then you can mine.
    High demand for money with limited supply for gold causes inflation. And this is very bad when you are in a war.
    We are in a war now with no end in sight. We would have to end the war as soon as possible in an attempt to go to a Gold standard. But here is another problem. There’s only a little under 4 trillion dollars of gold for the ENTIRE PLANET. The united states only has like 7 trillion dollars of money in circulation. This means the united states almost TWICE the amount of money in circulation then gold for the entire world. So i’m thinking the value of Gold would have to multiply to i don’t know how many to the 10ths power in order to make it possible.

    Chris you and I both probably need to explore this a little more because just like you have admitted I don’t know that much either. But that little bit i know can give us both something to work with in trying to figure out how Ron Paul would make this work. or if it’s even possible. One thing for sure his plan for eliminating all Federal funding period would have to be done in an attempt to lower some of the amount of money being circulated. Maybe this would help in the goal of going back to a u.s. treasury backed currency system. Oh man let me stop now because no i have all kinds of questions popping in my head about this idea.
    Like the amount of money we are in debt and are still borrowing for the war. I believe we would have to pay all of that back first. Oh man this is a can of worms.

  • Babs

    Ok, you guys, a question on the side. What was the deal with the millisecond of the report I caught last week saying that the nickel is now costing seven cents to produce? This conversation reminded me to ask someone…….I only caught about 15 seconds of the report, but it appeared they were using this stat as an argument to stop producing nickels.

  • Babs

    By the way, Dreadsen, I answered the question you asked me on the green agenda thread this morning. Thanks for asking.

  • Stalin

    Babs,

    I don’t know about the nickel but the penny is now worth more in scrap metal than in face value. The value of the nickel metal and copper plating is somethink like 1.2 cents. However, the cost to transport and melt the pennies would soon offset the current price advantage.

  • Dreadsen

    Babs

    They are going to go to steel because of what Stalin said.

  • Christopher Schwinger

    http://www.thelandofthefree.net/conservativeopinion/2007/02/22/how-fdr-destroyed-the-dollar/

    The economy is possibly the hardest thing for me to understand. What do you make of this, Dreadsen?

  • Christopher Schwinger

    http://www.amatecon.com/gd/gdoverview.html

    This seems like a good explanation on the Fed’s role in destabilizing the economy.

  • papajoe

    Babs,

    If you really are interested in where the federal reserve controls are leading our Country (and I believe you are sincere) please google

    Mr David Walker.

    David Walker was (last year) Comptroller General of the United States, in charge of the Gov’t Acct Ofc (GAO) for the entire United States of America….

    He recently resigned his position and my understanding is that he basically “threw in the towel” because he recognized that the Fed could allow our national gov’t to spend and spend carelessly due to the fact that all they have to do is “print more money” as required to finance just about any pet project or war….
    This “printing of money on a whim” could not happen if we were on the Gold Standard as in years past (prior to 1933).
    Mr Walker tells the true story of how we as a country are headed for complete bankruptcy and there seems to be no return to a sensible monetary position.
    So please google him and see for yourself..
    He obviously speaks with great knowledge on this subject, since he was the TOP DOG in this Department….
    Dr Ron Paul (Rep/TX) and Dr Larry McDonald (Dem/GA) both spoke of the issues concerning the movement away from the Gold Standard back in the seventies….I heard them personally…

    If you will indulge me for just a second….
    BACK in the 1970’s when I was raising my children I could buy FOUR Gallons of Gasoline with either my Federal Reserve Note (paper Dollar)
    or my Silver Dollar….
    THEY WERE both worth Exactly the SAME AMOUNT.
    I could go into any bank in this entire country and exchange my paper dollar for a silver dollar (almost 1 oz pure silver) any day of the week (except Sunday).

    TODAY however, I can buy less than a THIRD of a gallon of gas with the same paper dollar
    While I can buy FIVE GALLONS of gas with the exact same silver dollar I used in the seventies….
    Silver (today) is at $16.52 USD
    which means that it requires 16.52 paper dollars to buy one silver dollar…..
    That’s because the fed has been allowed (by Congress) to print money like it’s going out of style, therefore devaluating our currency, which is what Ron Paul and many others speak of as being so negative where the fed reserve is concerned……they operate “unchecked”…..

    So please check out an authority as mentioned above, Mr David Walker…former Comptroller General of the USA…

    And have a nice day…

  • Babs

    Interesting, papajoe, Walker seems to lay the blame at the feet of the health care system, specifically the Medicare Part D Prescription program implemented last year and the Baby Boomers reaching 62 this year. Also interestingly, I see he didn’t name the overly abused Medicaid system or the Welfare system. I believe the numbers, he’s the CPA of the US after all, and I agree with him that the health care system, social security system and (the welfare system, my addition) can bankrupt the US if it goes unchecked. Even more interesting, though, was that he said it wasn’t the pentagon or the war debt that was going to do that.

    I’m referring to the interview on YouTube, mainly:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS2fI2p9iVs

    Yes, I remember when $5 worth of gas would take me not only to work and back all week but partying on the weekend as well. But then I was only earning about $2 a hour then, too. So I suppose at least some of it is relative.

    Thanks for reference, and you have a nice day, too……..

  • Christopher Schwinger

    I suggest you watch Aaron Russo’s FREEDOM TO FASCISM (Google Video)

  • Babs

    The same Aaron Russo that ran unsuccessfully for the Libertarian Party’s 2004 presidential nomination? Yeah, I’ve read the reviews. I’ll pass. 🙂 Oh, although I did enjoy “The Rose”.

  • Dreadsen

    hey Chris Schwinger

    I’m just getting around to the video Stalin posted. It’s 30 minutes long! Did you watch it?

  • Stalin

    Dreadsen,

    I’m glad you started to watch it. It’s actually over 3 hours long if you can believe it. I’ve watched about 2 hours of it and learned more about international banking than I did in 2 years of an MBA program. More people need to realize the the Federal Reserve is not a goverment entity. It is controlled by a few very powerful people/families that have the ability to manipulate our currency until it’s worth nothing. I have started buying up 1 oz silver rounds as a result of having my eyes opened.

  • Christopher Schwinger

    I’ve started watching it as well. I’m continually amazed that there is so much info on the sordid history of bankers and government, that I just had not known! Alex Jones, Aaron Russo, and Dr. John Coleman–as well as G. Edward Griffin–have influenced my thinking dramatically.