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Comments on: Analysis: MSNBC Democratic Debate from Ohio – 2/26 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/ Covering the fallout of the 2010 elections Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:15:18 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Michael http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-60391 Michael Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:19:47 +0000 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-60391 Jennifer, just to add on experience: President Theordore Roosevelt had less political experience than Barack Obama did when he became president. I do not think Obama's 3 years in the Senate should qualify anyone to feel ashamed/embarassed to call him our president (let alone the fact that one's lack of longevity should equal this). In addition, on the books Obama has more experience than Clinton. Three years in the Senate and 7 years in the Illinois Senate. He pushed though over 200 bills in the Illinois Senate, headed up one bill as primary Senator, and co-authored a second bill in the U.S Senate. Hillary Clinton has a total of 6 years-- in which time she authored 3 bills. And John Edwards had even less time than that. NZPUDDING: I wasn't trying to diminish Obama's victory in Illnois. Just note that it was an unusual occurence. Your sarcasm is duly noted, however. Jennifer, just to add on experience:

President Theordore Roosevelt had less political experience than Barack Obama did when he became president. I do not think Obama’s 3 years in the Senate should qualify anyone to feel ashamed/embarassed to call him our president (let alone the fact that one’s lack of longevity should equal this).

In addition, on the books Obama has more experience than Clinton. Three years in the Senate and 7 years in the Illinois Senate. He pushed though over 200 bills in the Illinois Senate, headed up one bill as primary Senator, and co-authored a second bill in the U.S Senate.

Hillary Clinton has a total of 6 years– in which time she authored 3 bills. And John Edwards had even less time than that.

NZPUDDING: I wasn’t trying to diminish Obama’s victory in Illnois. Just note that it was an unusual occurence. Your sarcasm is duly noted, however.

]]> By: Jennifer http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-60322 Jennifer Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:00:05 +0000 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-60322 sarcasm highly noted. but mainly just noted. correction: quote from Fabolous ft. Neyo. Still a goon. sarcasm highly noted. but mainly just noted.
correction: quote from Fabolous ft. Neyo. Still a goon.

]]> By: Jennifer http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-60319 Jennifer Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:56:14 +0000 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-60319 ...right... not cute on quoting Nas lol. What a goon. …right…
not cute on quoting Nas lol. What a goon.

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]]> By: Chris http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59915 Chris Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:09:05 +0000 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59915 If Senator Clinton was losing after Wisconsin, she certainly didn't do herself any favors with the angry outbursts over commercials or "plagiarism", and that bit of sarcasm about the skies opening up in regards to Senator Obama's message. This seem trivial and bitter. When things have gone south in this campaign for either candidate, it's clearly been Obama who has been able to think on his feet, try a new angle, and come up with the means to communicate his message to the voters. Clinton shows none of this flexibility and, in fact, seems dug in. Isn't that the sort of president we have now? If Senator Clinton was losing after Wisconsin, she certainly didn’t do herself any favors with the angry outbursts over commercials or “plagiarism”, and that bit of sarcasm about the skies opening up in regards to Senator Obama’s message. This seem trivial and bitter. When things have gone south in this campaign for either candidate, it’s clearly been Obama who has been able to think on his feet, try a new angle, and come up with the means to communicate his message to the voters. Clinton shows none of this flexibility and, in fact, seems dug in. Isn’t that the sort of president we have now?

]]> By: nzpudding http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59617 nzpudding Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:14:57 +0000 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59617 @Michael Sometimes all it takes is a lucky break. Lets be honest, how lucky was it for George W.Bush in 2000 that his brother was the Govenor of the state that a huge voting issue that then swung it for Dubya? And wasn't the voting machines made by some huge Republican donator? (something like that) now how lucky was that? LOL Is HRC an alternate version of HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy)? @Michael

Sometimes all it takes is a lucky break. Lets be honest, how lucky was it for George W.Bush in 2000 that his brother was the Govenor of the state that a huge voting issue that then swung it for Dubya? And wasn’t the voting machines made by some huge Republican donator? (something like that) now how lucky was that? LOL

Is HRC an alternate version of HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy)?

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]]> By: Brendan http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59598 Brendan Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:28:32 +0000 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59598 @Jennifer Wow, you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to experience. You can cite that hilary has been a first lady of arkansas, and the US, and a senator for 8 years...but guess what. That still means she has only been an elected official for 8 years!!! Obama has been in elected positions for the last 20! So your "experience" argument is highly flawed, and clearly you are. And your argument about "not having a president who will get walked over". Well i'm pretty sure Bush is sure footed, and look how well that is going. Stop feeling and start thinking. @Jennifer
Wow, you don’t know what you are talking about when it comes to experience.

You can cite that hilary has been a first lady of arkansas, and the US, and a senator for 8 years…but guess what. That still means she has only been an elected official for 8 years!!! Obama has been in elected positions for the last 20! So your “experience” argument is highly flawed, and clearly you are.

And your argument about “not having a president who will get walked over”. Well i’m pretty sure Bush is sure footed, and look how well that is going.

Stop feeling and start thinking.

]]> By: Tim http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59575 Tim Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:57:04 +0000 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59575 msk275...I don't think there's really any point in bickering with the HRC supporters. Every single time I see one of them make a post on any internet message board it makes me be more proud to be on Obama supporter. I think I have yet to see one HRC supporter make a valid point about why they support her for the nomination other than repeating the non substantiated claims of her campaign. The ones that make me laugh the most are comments by people like Jennifer who claim to "know what it takes" to be in public office. Apparently what we really need, according to them, is a long string of bush-like presidents that will stop at nothing to achieve their own personal agendas. msk275…I don’t think there’s really any point in bickering with the HRC supporters. Every single time I see one of them make a post on any internet message board it makes me be more proud to be on Obama supporter. I think I have yet to see one HRC supporter make a valid point about why they support her for the nomination other than repeating the non substantiated claims of her campaign.

The ones that make me laugh the most are comments by people like Jennifer who claim to “know what it takes” to be in public office. Apparently what we really need, according to them, is a long string of bush-like presidents that will stop at nothing to achieve their own personal agendas.

]]> By: Michael http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59574 Michael Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:54:24 +0000 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59574 Jennifer, actually, Obama caught a lucky break when he got his seat in the U.S Senate. Last minute drop outs, a scandal on the dominant Republican candidate, and they had to throw in Alan Keyes last minute for someone to run against Barack Obama. He commented on a radio show about this in 2004-- I was listening to a replay of this on Wisconsin radio a few months ago. In this sense, Obama has not had to deal with a lot of the issues of campaigning that most people had to for a national position. Jennifer, actually, Obama caught a lucky break when he got his seat in the U.S Senate. Last minute drop outs, a scandal on the dominant Republican candidate, and they had to throw in Alan Keyes last minute for someone to run against Barack Obama.

He commented on a radio show about this in 2004– I was listening to a replay of this on Wisconsin radio a few months ago. In this sense, Obama has not had to deal with a lot of the issues of campaigning that most people had to for a national position.

]]> By: msk275 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59571 msk275 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:43:39 +0000 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59571 @hotkeys: apparently you didn't watch the debate if you think Hillary was innocent of looking upset/angry. @Jennifer: Ashamed? That's a little strong of a word to be using for a very respectable guy that does not go as low as Clinton to be negative and outburst in debates. What games did he play to get into the seat? By being outspoken against the war from the get go? By making people believe in their government and actually want to pay attention to what is going on in this country? I'm sure that the HRC could use a negative campaign manager like you that squeezes nothing out of something out of context. Okay.. that was a little low on my part, but you are obviously just as angry as HRC that your campaign is going in the wrong direction. Vote against Obama in the general, but I want your ass on the front lines in Iraq for the next 100 years and then when you get back, tell me if you accomplished something... seriously.. look past the negative campaigning.. 'stick with your entree and get over your sides'.. lol @hotkeys: apparently you didn’t watch the debate if you think Hillary was innocent of looking upset/angry.

@Jennifer: Ashamed? That’s a little strong of a word to be using for a very respectable guy that does not go as low as Clinton to be negative and outburst in debates. What games did he play to get into the seat? By being outspoken against the war from the get go? By making people believe in their government and actually want to pay attention to what is going on in this country?
I’m sure that the HRC could use a negative campaign manager like you that squeezes nothing out of something out of context.
Okay.. that was a little low on my part, but you are obviously just as angry as HRC that your campaign is going in the wrong direction. Vote against Obama in the general, but I want your ass on the front lines in Iraq for the next 100 years and then when you get back, tell me if you accomplished something… seriously.. look past the negative campaigning.. ’stick with your entree and get over your sides’.. lol

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]]> By: Jennifer http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59568 Jennifer Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:22:56 +0000 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59568 Susan, etc. I would be ashamed to call obama my president. A 3rd yr senator voted into PRESIDENCY?!? You've got to be joking right?... I'll give ppl the points that yes Clinton is Not perfect...but c'mon I didn't get a degree in PolySci. What do you thnk politics consists of in Washington? How do you think obama got to the Senate in the first place? You think he played it all patient, cool, and made significant "changes" aka movements to get there? No, he played the game you have to play to get a seat in the senate. What makes you think this top job we call President would be any different? Now I've been commenting on here obviously for HC but objectively speaking, not focusing on her for a second....look at every single candidate in this race...How do you think each got to where they are today? The games won't stop when he gets in the white house, his demeanor is weak and right now we need a president who won't let someone walk all over them. If he lets hillary push him around in debates with conversation, how do you think he will react with our enemies/other nations? Even if our other candidate was not HC I would vote against BO. I am just NOT convinced. Change is wonderful, and he offers hope, but we need stability, consistency, proper experience, and determination. Ppl have turned on HC for acting out her emotions but who is anyone to judge this passion that she has now shown and judge her bc she is not "contained" like Obama. People are forgetting what it really takes. Susan, etc.
I would be ashamed to call obama my president.
A 3rd yr senator voted into PRESIDENCY?!? You’ve got to be joking right?…
I’ll give ppl the points that yes Clinton is Not perfect…but c’mon I didn’t get a degree in PolySci. What do you thnk politics consists of in Washington? How do you think obama got to the Senate in the first place? You think he played it all patient, cool, and made significant “changes” aka movements to get there? No, he played the game you have to play to get a seat in the senate. What makes you think this top job we call President would be any different?
Now I’ve been commenting on here obviously for HC but objectively speaking, not focusing on her for a second….look at every single candidate in this race…How do you think each got to where they are today? The games won’t stop when he gets in the white house, his demeanor is weak and right now we need a president who won’t let someone walk all over them. If he lets hillary push him around in debates with conversation, how do you think he will react with our enemies/other nations? Even if our other candidate was not HC I would vote against BO. I am just NOT convinced. Change is wonderful, and he offers hope, but we need stability, consistency, proper experience, and determination. Ppl have turned on HC for acting out her emotions but who is anyone to judge this passion that she has now shown and judge her bc she is not “contained” like Obama. People are forgetting what it really takes.

]]> By: hotkeys http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59566 hotkeys Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:19:57 +0000 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59566 Obama is not articulate. Clinton is far more articulate and has much better poise. Obama is so transparent, you can see the impatience in his face and he has trouble controlling his anger when things don't go his way. Did you see the angry look he had when Hilary wouldn't allow him to get his word in ? I hate the media bias SOOO much. It's so insulting to blacks. Obama is not articulate. Clinton is far more articulate and has much better poise. Obama is so transparent, you can see the impatience in his face and he has trouble controlling his anger when things don’t go his way. Did you see the angry look he had when Hilary wouldn’t allow him to get his word in ? I hate the media bias SOOO much. It’s so insulting to blacks.

]]> By: msk275 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59560 msk275 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:54:58 +0000 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59560 I'll be totally honest in this account: 1. I watched this with a white woman/girl that supported Hillary Clinton. Her boyfriend supports Obama, and she still stuck by Clinton, but that's beside the point. 2. As it started out, She realized that Clinton was being negative/upset/cutting people off rudely. She was surprised at how positive Obama was being during the debate. 3. They showed HIllary's negative clips from last week, and she was appalled/embarrassed to have supported Clinton. 4. She complimented Obama's demeanor and looked forward to voting for him in November. I'll be honest again, I think Obama won this debate, because he neither gave up the front-runner position, nor stooped to Hillary's level of being negative. Biased time: HIllary just has too much baggage to make it as the first woman president. I'm sorry. If the only reason you are voting for here is that she is a strong woman, well.. open your mind and don't be a conservative white woman democrat... like my mother, lol. She will not change her stance regarding this election because she just doesn't want to, even if it takes going down with the ship in flames... I’ll be totally honest in this account:
1. I watched this with a white woman/girl that supported Hillary Clinton. Her boyfriend supports Obama, and she still stuck by Clinton, but that’s beside the point.
2. As it started out, She realized that Clinton was being negative/upset/cutting people off rudely. She was surprised at how positive Obama was being during the debate.
3. They showed HIllary’s negative clips from last week, and she was appalled/embarrassed to have supported Clinton.
4. She complimented Obama’s demeanor and looked forward to voting for him in November.

I’ll be honest again, I think Obama won this debate, because he neither gave up the front-runner position, nor stooped to Hillary’s level of being negative.

Biased time: HIllary just has too much baggage to make it as the first woman president. I’m sorry. If the only reason you are voting for here is that she is a strong woman, well.. open your mind and don’t be a conservative white woman democrat… like my mother, lol. She will not change her stance regarding this election because she just doesn’t want to, even if it takes going down with the ship in flames…

]]> By: zaza http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59558 zaza Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:45:35 +0000 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59558 its 12:44 so my assignement is actually due today...to be precise in about 7 hours its 12:44 so my assignement is actually due today…to be precise in about 7 hours

]]> By: kevin http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59554 kevin Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:37:56 +0000 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59554 Anxiously awaiting full link as well!! Anxiously awaiting full link as well!!

]]> By: zaza http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59553 zaza Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:36:22 +0000 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59553 Anybody have a link to the full video??? PLEASE post it if you do I have a assignement due tomorrow on this & I unfortunately didn't catch the debate live earlier Anybody have a link to the full video??? PLEASE post it if you do
I have a assignement due tomorrow on this & I unfortunately didn’t catch the debate live earlier

]]> By: Susan http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59548 Susan Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:16:09 +0000 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59548 Clearly, Clinton is coming out of this looking like the true whiner, spoiled brat, and dirty politician that she is. So what that Obama is a little green? We need that in Washington, in the presidency. We need the freshness that a little inexperience provides, not the stale, ugly politics as usual WHICH IS ALL HILLARY KNOWS! I'm a Republican voting for Obama, but if she wins the nomination I will definitely vote Republican again. I would be ashamed to call her my president. Clearly, Clinton is coming out of this looking like the true whiner, spoiled brat, and dirty politician that she is. So what that Obama is a little green? We need that in Washington, in the presidency. We need the freshness that a little inexperience provides, not the stale, ugly politics as usual WHICH IS ALL HILLARY KNOWS! I’m a Republican voting for Obama, but if she wins the nomination I will definitely vote Republican again. I would be ashamed to call her my president.

]]> By: Nate http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59547 Nate Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:08:50 +0000 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59547 I will have the entire debate video uploaded later tonight on YouTube. There will be a link here and it will be posted to the main page of the site. I will have the entire debate video uploaded later tonight on YouTube. There will be a link here and it will be posted to the main page of the site.

]]> By: ed http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59544 ed Wed, 27 Feb 2008 05:06:30 +0000 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59544 does anyone have a link to the full debate?? I couldnt get it on TV and the live stream didn't work either..... does anyone have a link to the full debate?? I couldnt get it on TV and the live stream didn’t work either…..

]]> By: anxious http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59536 anxious Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:54:27 +0000 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59536 anxiously waiting for the full video...could someone please put it up....I can't wait to hear President Obama dominate! anxiously waiting for the full video…could someone please put it up….I can’t wait to hear President Obama dominate!

]]> By: David http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59534 David Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:53:16 +0000 http://www.youdecidepolitics.com/2008/02/26/analysis-msnbc-democratic-debate-from-ohio-226/#comment-59534 Calista: Please. Obama is a jerk? Apparently, you failed to notice Hillary talking in circles long enough to keep Obama from making points. When the mediators attempted to give Obama the same time to respond she spoke over them or Obama. It's easy to keep blinders on her when she is smirking at him when he speaks . . . Oh! How about "making fun" of his speeches . . . Your right he's a jerk for smirking and she's a saint for being 5 times as bad. Calista:
Please. Obama is a jerk? Apparently, you failed to notice Hillary talking in circles long enough to keep Obama from making points. When the mediators attempted to give Obama the same time to respond she spoke over them or Obama. It’s easy to keep blinders on her when she is smirking at him when he speaks . . . Oh! How about “making fun” of his speeches . . . Your right he’s a jerk for smirking and she’s a saint for being 5 times as bad.

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