When Michelle Obama Opens Her Mouth, She Inserts a Foot

After the litany of speeches given by Michelle Obama this week, one wonders if she should have even gotten out of bed. In case you missed the embarrassing speeches made by the Senators wife this week I will recap for you.

After Barack Obama took a beating on his decision to no longer sport an American flag lapel pin along with the controversy over his choice to not put his hand over his heart during the National Anthem, this week the wife decided to follow in her husband’s unpatriotic footsteps. On Monday Michelle Obama Said “for the first time in my adult life I’m proud of my country”, was she serious? Well wasn’t it Barack himself who shot one back at Hillary claiming that “people don’t mean what they say”? However his bride has mentioned that she was unable to be proud of her country twice this week, sounds like Michelle is poking holes in her hubby’s theory. That was Monday’s comments.

Here’s what the First Lady in waiting had to say on Thursday:

“I have to say that my life now is not really that much different from many of yours. I wake up every morning wondering how on earth I am going to pull off that next minor miracle to get through the day. I know that everybody in this room is going through this. That is the dilemma women face today. Every woman that I know, regardless of race, education, income, background, political affiliation, is struggling to keep her head above water.”

I have to say that playing the victim card is not at all flattering. Michelle Obama needs to snap out of the “poor me” mentality. I guess I’m just blessed to travel in circles where woman are not drowning. If she has to “pull off that next minor miracle to get through the day” then I suggest she reevaluates her strategy on how to tackle the day. Maybe take up yoga or Pilates. After reviewing her comments thus far on the campaign trail, I am beginning to think this lady is miserable, and now she’s starting to label American women as miserable. So what is she suggesting, exercise, nutrition, therapy, or maybe religion, none of thee above? What’s the answer you ask, well in Michelle Obama’s opinion it’s the great Messiah, and no not God, but her husband Barack Obama. Yes the man who proposes change, but wants the “change” to be a big surprise which will be unveiled January 20th, 2009.

One would think that being married to the man who will save American should be enough to “get through the day”. If he can’t make his wife happy, how will he help the rest of us out? His campaign platform is crumbling as I type thanks to Michelle Obama alerting voters that it takes more than waking up with the Messiah every morning to “keep her head above water,” I guess the rest of us don’t have a chance.

So I would like to hear from the Women as well as Men on this issue. Do you think that Barack Obama will save us ladies from our bad days?

  • I agree completely with you on this one Nate!
    This is absurd and she is overgeneralizing women in this “miserable” hole we’re supposedly all stuck in. She should have stayed at home. I’ve got to wonder if it is Obama that you want, do you want the entire package like her to come with it?
    Just a comment question guys, don’t make drama over it and analyze it please.

  • Michael

    Conservative Gal:
    Instead of commenting on the specifics, I will only say that this is not going to be pressed too much if Obama wins the Democratic nomination. McCain will gain no ground by highlighting spouses

    I think it was wise and interesting how his wife was not in the limelight with him on numerous stages until he was near to clinching the Republican nomination. I think there is a reason for that– one you yourself have commented about.

  • Michael Jerryson

    One thing I would to throw out there about women in general around the world:

    Women represent more than 1/2 the world’s population
    Women do more than 2/3 the work (labor in and out of the home)
    Women receive less than 10% of the world’s income.
    Women own less than 1% of the world’s land.

    These are statistics from a few years back and have not changed dramatically. Women are being oppressed, worldwide, and this is something to note. This is not in defense of Michelle Obama’s comments, but a side note– or rather, background to them.

  • Well thanks Jennifer but I didn’t write this as I do the objective news on the front page. If you listen to the You Decide Politics Radio show you might know this is my wife who writes the Ladies In Politics column.

    So you can thank her if you agree or argue with her if you disagree.

  • Michael Anichini

    From what was posted on the website, that video did not cast Michele Obama in any type of bad light. I, too, am proud of our country and who we are fighting to elect right now. Perhaps there’s a bit of irony in a woman discussing the sad plight of women when her husband’s opponent is a woman, but that’s about it. That wasn’t on the video post though, unless I opened it incorrectly. Huge Obama supporter, as you can tell. This website rules, by the way, and I thank the creators. I’m here everyday. First post from me. Cheers.

  • Jim

    Michelle Obama reflects a very human empathy for women in general. She does not paint a false picture. She is real. If It is this that presents the opinion of a ‘foot in the mouth’ label, then so be it. She is true and real in her talk ultimately winning the people over on a positive message for change. After all, that is the objective, not a problem.

  • kalaine

    Michelle is an excellent orator and she was demonstrating her empathetic values. Nate, I’m guessing that your wife is one of the Hillary supporters that is angry at the world for not wanting divisive politics. This was certainly not unbiased – I’m almost embarrassed to think that I relied on this page for balanced information.

  • kalaine, this is in the commentary section which is clearly labeled as “Commentary/Opinion”. Our other commentary writer Michael balances it out with a more moderate to liberal view. The front page is for news. The commentary section is more an “anything goes” atmosphere to spice things up a little.

    If you, or anyone else for that matter, has a commentary they’d like to write in response and have posted to the site, email me at nate@youdecide2008.com, we’re always looking for all points of view.

  • nzpudding

    Given a choice between a First Lady that speaks her mind and one that looks like Barbie’s Grandma who doesn’t, I’d take the one that speaks her mind. That said, I think Michelle Obama should shut the hell up, otherwise she could end up hurting Barack’s chances just like what Bill has for Hillary.

  • Stalin

    CG

    Very good commentary. MIchelle’s statements are very indicitive of a victims society. The whoa is me attitude is pretty pathetic. She has lived a charmed life. Get over yourself MIchelle.

    On a side note: If my business was woman owned, we would get preffered status when bidding on contracts.

  • Margieinoakland

    Its important to get your facts straight. Obama does put his hand over his heart during the pledge, does have an American flag pin…these are old rumors that need to be stopped. If you ever get the opportunity to hear Mrs Obama in person, you will find yourself quite moved. she is optimistic about our future-she does point out that for many women, there are double standards in our society and it is hard for many of us. She also speaks of how lucky she happens to be having parents that worked hard to get her to school and how her family has been very successful unlike many others who weren’t as lucky to get the same opportunities. She sometimes does stick her foot in her mouth but not this time.

  • Stalin

    Margie,

    You ask for the facts, here they are. This is a direct quote from Mr. Obama:

    “You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a pin,” Obama said. “Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we’re talking about the Iraq War, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won’t wear that pin on my chest.

    “Instead,” he said, “I’m going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism.”

  • Dani

    I’m not a scholar, but it seems to me that you are reading into what she is saying. I can assume that you are not in support of her husband being president. I can also assume that your focus on the poor me feminism tactic is your way of derailing the indented meaning of her speech. Your assumption that she is playing the victim role is of your own biases and prejudices. Sadly, you missed the relevance of her speech trying so desperately to find fault in it. I suggest that you listen to the speech again with respect and acceptance from one human being to another. It is difficult to be objective when we can choose to see only what we want to see. What I mean to say is humans can limit themselves to achieve or obtain the expected result. Much of what she said is relative and subjective to her perception and her life’s experiences. That said, I don’t entirely agree with her, in fact I disagree with the “in my life time” statement that she made, because I feel that Clinton made forward progress in the unity of our country during his presidency. But, since then there has not been much progress in that area. I also do not believe that she is “struggling to keep her head above water,” but who doesn’t use these types of dramatic phrases to grab attention? I mean had your article not contained “foot in mouth” in the title. I probably wouldn’t have even read it, very effective choice of words!!! FYI: I am non partisan, and do not support either of their campaigns. I obtain information, and facts from all parties make my decisions based on my objective opinions of all information gathered, and vote accordingly. I try to detach from my own biases and prejudices, but that is a conscience choice that I make in an attempt to be fair, just, accepting, and respectful of all human beings.

  • Stalin

    Dani

    You accuse Conservative Girl of “reading into” and “assumption”. You do not have to peel the onion here. She said, “for the first time in my adult life I’m proud of my country”. There is no interpretation needed. Her comments do not surprise me in the least. As I’ve said before, most liberals loathe America.

  • nzpudding

    Michelle Obama is being completely taken out of context. She shouldn’t have said what she did in the way that she said it, but if you take what she said in its complete entirety and not just stop at the “proud of my country” part but what follows as well, then it makes sense.

    As for Barack wearing an American flag pin or not, can someone point me to a recent picture where he did wear one? Personally I don’t care if he does or doesn’t wear one, I don’t see him as less patriotic for not wearing one, but if people are stating he does, as fact, then it would be good to see the facts.

  • Dani

    Stalin
    The statement “the first time in my adult life…” was strong, but again that is her perception based on her experiences. I may not agree, but I can not condemn her, nor disrespect her rights. She has the right as a human being to think for herself, make decisions for herself, and make statements that are consistent with what she believes. You stated most Liberals loathe America. That statement is strong, like her statement, and probably consistent with what you believe, but your statement does something that hers does not. Your statement passes judgment against Liberals, and appears to be based on your personal biases. Furthermore, malicious statements made against a particular group without supporting facts, proof, or evidence is prejudice. I can only assume that was not your intention. I believe your statement was made because you took offense to her statement, in reference to America, as derogatory. Therefore; you made the statement against most Liberals to support your outrage, but that took the objectiveness out of your statement, changing it into a personal attack against her as well as Liberals. The topic at hand is whether she is playing the victim card, and inserting her foot into her mouth. At this time, I disagree based on the information/ proof presented in this discussion. Making personal character attacks only takes this discussion off topic.

  • Stalin

    Dani,

    I am not condemning Michele, I am just taking her at her word. She knows that it was a mistake to say it, but in my opinion I think she meant what she said. With regards to my statement about liberals, I fully believe in what I said. I can give you several examples:

    1) They want us to lose in Iraq (Harry Reid has already conceded)
    2) They don’t want English as the official language
    3) They don’t want to pledge allegiance to the flag
    4) They think that it’s OK to burn the flag
    5) They tarnish the office of the presidency with poisonous vitriol
    6) They ridicule and harass the US military (Berkeley)

  • You have more or less nothing to talk about like this If they are quiet you say they have no reason if they talk you say there are problems huh?Look at this:

    The meaning of Obama’s robes
    Barack Obama with Mohammed Hassan

    The photo has sparked a storm over who released the image
    A photo of US presidential candidate Barack Obama wearing Somali clothing is causing a storm after it got released to the Drudge Report website.

    Yusuf Garaad Omar, head of the BBC’s Somali Service, explains the meaning of the robes.

    These are the normal clothes that nomadic people wear.

    The head turban is especially used by elderly people as a suggestion of respect. It is something that has no meaning whatsoever in Somalia culture.

    If you see someone dressed like that in Somalia, you think it is a nomadic person – that is all.

    There is no religious significance to it whatsoever. It is mainly the nomadic people who use it. Some of them are religious, some are not.

    It is simply a tradition of the place where they are from.

    In this particular place, Wajir in north-east Kenya, the community is majority ethnic Somali.

    They have a council for Peace and Development, and when they get delegates they dress them as a nomadic person.

    I have been trying to track down the old man in the photo with Mr Obama, and I have been told he is Mohammed Hassan, the chair of the council itself. But he is not in town today, and we could not get hold of him.

    This debate reminds me of people back home in Somalia, who say that women should not wear trousers, or other cultures who say men should not wear a tie. I just don’t think it makes sense.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7265115.stm

  • camair

    Dani

    I am not American but I do not sleep with these elections and I do not support any of the candidates for it will do me no good.I follow all the debates,comments and analysis.
    you know a good student is not one that says I know.He accepts that he doesn’t know to be thought.Stalin is not a good student.I know thats a judgement about him but I mean it.

  • karen

    I have to say that for the first time in a long time, I am proud of my country as well. I’m certainly not proud of the war,etc. However, the newly inspired hope and unity that her husband creates makes so many Americans become proud once again……….and most importantly we believe that we can possibly trust the government, with the change that is to come.

  • Michael, it will be interesting to see statistics pertaining to woman in the next 10 to 20 years. Education for women is on the rise. I know you mentioned that women are paid less then men, but with the increase in women and education and there recent dominance in admissions to colleges (60% female to 40% male) across the country it will not be long before we start to see a change in pay wages. Especially since women with educations are becoming more qualified for various higher paying positions. That said, Michelle Obama’s comments are suppressing women by making them believe that once her husband is elected their lives are going to change drastically. As you know this is not true. It’s unfortunate that such a well educated woman feels the need to bloviate.

    Kalaine you must be new to the site, which would explain your thoughts on me being a Hillary supporter. It says “Conservative Gal” not “Liberal Feminist”.

  • As I read through these post I see that some are on the Barack Obama band wagon, the man is like a drug. I was asked if I have ever had the opportunity to see Obama in person, no I have not, ridicule me all you want but I would never choose to sit through one of these socialist rallys for fun. I do not share the same addiction as you do.

  • Dani

    Camair
    Thank you for your supporting response. I did not find your statement about Stalin judgmental. I believe that based on the evidence (his previous responses) you came to an accurate conclusion. How he presents outside of this forum is irrelevant. I can only hope that one day he will be able to put his prejudices and biases aside and objectively evaluate information, enough said.

    Glad that you posted the information which included the meaning of the attire that Obama wore in the pictures. All of the information you provided was valuable. It will further assist me in making an informed decision when I cast my vote. Thanks again.

  • Dani

    Stalin
    The list you provided still lacks proof to support your claim. I found it to be a list of disrespectful comments, and bias opinions. It would be helpful if you could provide statistics based on studies that found a direct correlation between Liberals, and the loathing of America.

    Pease read the response that I made to Camair. I made comments in that response about you, and I wanted you to be aware.

  • Stalin

    Camair,

    You are correct. I am not a good student. You see, I already went to school. Now I own my own business, provide jobs and pay taxes to help support countries like yours.

  • Stalin

    Dani,

    You just don’t want to hear the truth. Here you go:

    1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYZEGot-xU4
    2) List of Senator who voted against H.R. 997 to make English the official language of the US:

    Boxer (D-CA),
    Feinstein (D-CA),
    Salazar (D-CO),
    Dodd (D-CT),
    Lieberman (D-CT),
    Biden (D-DE),
    Akaka (D-HI),
    Inouye (D-HI),
    Harkin (D-IA),
    Durbin (D-IL),
    Obama (D-IL),
    Bayh (D-IN),
    Landrieu (D-LA),
    Kennedy (D-MA),
    Kerry (D-MA),
    Mikulski (D-MD),
    Sarbanes (D-MD),
    Levin (D-MI),
    Stabenow (D-MI),
    Dayton (D-MN),
    Lautenberg (D-NJ),
    Menendez (D-NJ),
    Bingaman (D-NM),
    Domenici (R-NM),
    Reid (D-NV),
    Clinton (D-NY),
    Schumer (D-NY),
    Wyden (D-OR),
    Reed (D-RI),
    Jeffords (I-VT),
    Leahy (D-VT),
    Cantwell (D-WA),
    Murray (D-WA),
    Feingold (D-WI),
    Kohl (D-WI).

    3) Liberal Judge Lawrence Karlton ruled that the Pledge of Allegiance was unconstitutional in California in 2005
    4) List of those that voted against SJ RES 12 to ban burning of the American Flag: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=sj109-12
    5) Way too many examples to list (liberal media, politicians, and celebrities have used words to describe Bush that have been beyond any criticism endured by all the presidents before him combined. Criticism is fine, but hate and mean spiritedness hurts the office of the presidency and the United States as a whole. We have encouraged other countries to hate us.
    6) http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_8120433?source=most_emailed

    I am done doing research for you now.

  • Michael

    Stalin et. al.,

    In the discussion on H.R. 997, the issue was not English, but E.O 13166 that made Democrats reject it.

    The English Language Unity Resolution would in effect remove multi-language instruction/accessibility at government agencies such as the Department of Motor Vehicles. The problem here is feasibility. While everyone would prefer a country that had a unifying language, it takes time to acquire a second language. Dismantling E.O 13166 would prematurely take away necessary tools for people in this country that have yet to master he English language.

    People might want to “punish” others for not knowing English, but the fact of the matter is that we have to live together in one society and its always more civil when everyone understands and obeys the same laws. Right now that requires mult-language accessibility.

  • Stalin

    Mike,

    The resolution aside, I completely disagree with your assessment. I believe it is the coddling of immigrants that has resulted in their lack of assimilation into American society. This has the effect of creating a permanent underclass that cannot gain access to good education and higher paying jobs.

    We have created an environment where you don’t need to learn English. I don’t want to “punish”, I want to include. The immigrants of the past did it, why can’t the immigrants of the present and future…..for their own benefit, not mine.

  • The debate over an English speaking nation continues.
    Whenever I travel outside of this country and enter into a country that speaks with there native tongue I respect that and try to speak the language which is being spoken. I will admit this a difficult feat, however it strengthens my foreign lingual skills. Therefore the same respect needs to be shared amongst immigrants and U.S citizens. It angers me to no end when I travel to different locations in the United States and I have to struggle to understand someone. What’s even worse is when I have financial business with a company that chooses to have someone who barely speaks English handle the call and expects me to accept this and continue to do business. I absolutely will not. I will excuse myself and ask that my business be handled by someone else. This may seem harsh but when it comes to personal accounts and personal information I will not apologize. I’m sure that everyone at one time or another has run into this issue. There are positions for those who’s English still needs refining, just not on the other end of a phone.

  • nzpudding

    I’m a strong supporter for the English language and believe any immigrant going to an English speaking country should first learn how to speak that language before being accepted.

    In Canada English is the first language and French is the second language. Why not adopt a similar pattern for America and have English as the first language and Spanish as the second?

  • Stalin

    nzp

    I believe that is the way we have it now…unofficially. It seems that everywhere you go, you have English on top and Spanish on the bottom. Why learn English if you don’t have to?

  • nzpudding

    Yeah but isn’t it official in Canada the way they have it? Rather than it being unofficail in America, they should make it official.

  • Stalin

    In Quebec it is the law. All signage must be in both English and French. No, I absolutely do not think that we should do this. Quebec is a former French colony so French is a native language. Spanish is a foreign language in the United States.

  • Michael

    Conservative Gal:
    Have you ever lived in a different country that spoke a different language.? If not, I would argue your experiences are not parallel. When I live in other countries, I do try to speak their language when I can, but relish in being able to fall back upon English when in an environment that allows it. It is mentally and physically exhausting to speak in a different language day-in-and-out. Yes, it improves your language skills, but I can sympathize with people who enjoy their diasporas here in this country that have enjoyed reverting to their language in their small pockets (Italians, Germans, you name it).

    This gets to Stalin’s point about the past immigrants to this country. They had their diasporas that allowed this. When they arrived in New York in the 19th and early 20th century, they found work with relatives or people from their homelands. They spoke their native language and it was their children than manifested English proficiency at a high rate. Now, there were some who did not do this, but the vast majority who came were middle-class/poor, and did do this.

    After 1915 (around there), it changed. Our laws prohibited certain immigrants like Chinese from entering into our country, blocking the migrational transition that was enjoyed by the Italians, Irish, Germans and others beforehand.

    Stalin: And I think it is not an opinon but a fact to say that this country is safer when the laws are understood by all the people living in it. You are speaking about ideology, I am speaking about feasibility.

    The assimilation model in this country doesn’t exist. It is broken on the backs of racism and its corresponding privileges. Assimilation is another word for “becoming White.”

  • Stalin

    Mike,

    I completly agree that the country is safer when the laws are understood by all the people living in it. The laws are written in English. Learn English and you will understand them.

    In regards to your final comment. To ask someone to speak English is not asking them to be White.

  • nzpudding

    @ Stalin

    My history books (and Wikipedia) tell me that Christopher Colombus discovered America and although originally born in Italy, was part of the Spanish colonization of the Americas and indeed discovered American mainland on his 3rd voyage in 1498. So technically Spanish IS America’s first language, that’s if we ignore all the indians of course.

    I believe Colombus Day is celebrated in America on the 13th October this year.

  • Michael

    NZ- Columbus did not ‘discover’ the Americas. Erik the Red did, centuries before, and our name comes from Amerigo Vespucci, an Italian, who was given the title of ‘discoverer’ for the Europeans (although, one could easily say it was “discovered” by the Native Americans….

    Stalin: I agree with your point about language and Whiteness. My comment was more in line with the issue of ‘assimilation.’

  • Stalin

    nzpudding

    Stop being so literal. The modern territory that is now the United States was colonized by English speaking people from the British Isles. If you really want to get technical we should all be grunting like buffalo who were here before the Native Americans.

  • nzpudding

    In certain parts of America they do grunt like buffalo’s

  • Stalin

    Mike,

    You are correct that assimilation does not exist in this country. However, your interpretation of assimilation is quite skewed. To me, assimilation doesn’t have anything to do with skin color, it has to do with culture. The fact of the matter is that the immigrants of the past learned English and became productive citizens. The immigrants of today, while perhaps productive, will never attain the economic and social status of past immigrants without learning English.

  • Dani

    Michael
    Thank you for providing the information in its entirety. It is nice to know that there are several people in this discussion that attempt to be objective not selective.

  • Dani

    Conservative Girl
    When I read your comments I’m not sure if what you say is simply for shock value, or what you believe. In reference to the 60% of women being accepted into college… I read that and thought you were willing to wait 10 to 20 years for nothing to change. We already have those higher paying positions because many of us are educated, but our wages are lower than men’s. Education is clearly not the issue. Otherwise, there wouldn’t be a difference in women’s pay right now. Seriously; it’s not going to change without actions being taken to change it.
    In reference to the Obama bandwagon statement, I assume it was for shock value.

  • Stalin

    Dani,

    Has anyone considered the fact that womens wages may not be as high as mens because many women in the workplace are working mothers. I know this is a sensitive issue, but just follow me. Working mothers get a maternity leave. This can be as long as 3-6 months. Now, when that mother returns to work they expect to continue on the same track as where they left off. However, what about the rest of the employees who did not take those 3 months or so off to raise their child. I have talked to many women who were angry that they had to pick up the slack when pregnant mothers left the office. So if you have a working mom that has had 2 or 3 children that can equate to almost a year away from work. I am not making any judgements here, I am just asking if you think this could have something to do with the wage differences between men and women.

  • Babs

    Stalin, I think on a case by case situation in SOME cases you may have a point. In general, though, women’s wages are lower then men’s based on statistics after statistics. The same job, same wage theory has not applied for women. Whether it’s because we bear children, that’s hard to say. But I will say it has a lot to do with that mentality overall.

  • Stalin

    Babs

    After my wife had our daughter she took 3 months maternity leave. She then returned to a hostile work environment. After 6 months back at work she decided that she would rather be at home than take the abuse she was getting at the office. When she told her boss that she was quiting to be a stay at home mom, he basically said that was a good thing because that is where she belongs…

  • Dani

    Stalin
    Yes, that is the reason provided for wage difference. However, they don’t give women that are unable to have children the same wages either. Case in point a sterile woman provided documentation from her doctor that proved she was in fact sterile, yet they refused to increase her wages. On top of that, not all women want to have children. Plus, there are single mothers that cannot afford to take as much time off from work. They are on leave a few days to a couple of weeks. No more time than the normal vacation. Regardless, having children is not a valid reason to give anyone lower wages. It is a discrimination against women for something they are unable to change. Your wife having children benefits you as well as mankind. The human race will die out if women stopped having children, and so would the ability to pass ones genes to the next generation.

  • Dani,
    What I was stating is that the change is happening right now. I mentioned to Michael that statistics in 10 years will reflect positively on women, unfortunately that seems to be how long it takes for statistics to start reflecting any kind of change. Things take time. But on a more uplifting note the admission rates for women are a positive indicator that things are beginning to change. In the 80’s only 5% of women were partners in there law firms, keeping in mind that only one third of woman graduated from law school, that number went up as woman started to dominate the admissions at law schools, now to a surprising 60%, which in the year 2000 partnership amongst women increased to 21%. I found this great article that you may like, it speaks to why women leave firms before becoming partners, and how women are usually eligible for partnership around child bearing years.

    http://www.infirmation.com/articles/one-article.tcl?article_id=2262

    I was actually shocked that I found myself agreeing with a liberal like Susan Estrich, her politics aside, she wrote a great article.

    To your point that “they don’t give women that are unable to have children the same wages either”, it depends on the profession. My mother is a retired RN who made a very respectable living. When she started out as an RN with her associates degree in the early 70’s, her pay was ten thousand a year, the same as her husband’s who was the superintendent of a school district and he had a masters degree. By the time she retired her pay had increase eight times the original amount. I do recognize that this profession that is predominately female. I should also mention that she gave birth to 5 children.

    I hate when women play the “woe is me” act and then do nothing to change the system. If women don’t like what they’re getting paid then they should open their own business so they can dictate what their pay is. Instead I continue to hear women complain that men are getting paid more. There are jobs that accommodate women, you could even argue that the health care profession seems to favor women and discriminate against men. I personally will not acknowledge that women are at the mercy of a man in terms of pay, instead I like to think that we are our own worst enemy. I know many of you will have something negative to say in response, just keep in mind that this is only my opinion.

  • Michael

    Babs, Stalin, CG, Dani-

    I think you are all correct here and are all looking at the problem through a different angle of the same prism. There is definitely a lot of sexism still present in the U.S workforce and society, that is without question. It was just as recent as the early 1990s that a prestigious college like Georgetown refused women entry to certain areas of a hospital, when they were studying to become doctors. Or take a New York based survey on breast cancer, where over 95% of their test subjects were male (when women overwhelmingly suffer from this more than men).

    Currently women are facing issues are realizing they cannot have it “both ways,” in being home and being at work. There has been a whiplash of sexism within the feminist movement when women critiqued mothers who decided to stay at home, rather than work. As men begin to request paternity leave and women’s maternity leave shortens, we are beginning to see a move toward balancing things in this one dimension of the business world.

    This would be an example of CG’s argument that there is progress. I would agree wholeheartedly. But progress is not something that simply happens– it has to be fought for, at each stage, as no one with privilege wants to just give that up (take a look at the on-going fight for equality among races in this country).

    There is a balance that needs to be found between calling into question the distance the women’s movement needs to make in this country, and acknowledging and respecting the distance already covered.

    But amidst all of this discussion, I would like to add that looking at college-educated people and using them as examples of the majority of U.S people is erroneous. These are already privileged people (as are we using computers and having access to Internet).

  • Stalin

    Mike,

    Be careful when you use the word privileged. You are implying that it has not been earned.

  • Anti

    Whew! This blog is fun…you actually debate issues. I’m new and a moderate, which is how I view Hillary Clinton. Obama is so far left I’m amazed he can actually walk without running into himself.

    Since this began with the Michelle Obama story, I’d like to digress to that nonsense.

    The woman sounds pathetic, but if her husband is elected (God forbid) she’ll have life easier, since Mr. Obama has already stated that her primary duty as First Lady is to look after the children. That makes both of them pathetic.
    OK, now everyone can stone the Moderate.

  • nzpudding

    What’s pathetic about a mother looking after her children irrespective if she’s the First Lady?

    I’m a stay-at-home Dad with 3 kids and I can assure everyone that looking after your own children isn’t pathetic in the slightest. It’s the most tiring, rewarding, non-paying job you can do.

  • Babs

    Kudos to you, nzpudding, you’re one of those men I highly respect! But as the First Lady, tradition holds that her duties will go far beyond a stay at home Mom. I wonder who’s looking after the children while she’s on the campaign trail making speeches and hitting the morning shows? Just a little bit of difference there, you see. A little, shall we call it, talking out both sides of your mouth?

  • nzpudding

    Of course as First Lady I would expect her to carry out other duties above and beyond just looking after her kids. But I don’t and can’t see her as being pathetic like what Anti pointed out if chooses to spend more time with her kids, rather than running around checking napkins are folded properly, the curtains are the correct shade or other such mundane things other First Ladies fill their day up doing.

    Had Hillary spent more time looking after her family then perhaps Bill wouldn’t have been so keen to drop his trousers at every bit of skirt that walked past.

  • jmoss

    My wife and I made pretty much the same amount while working at the same company for the past 6 years. It was only recently once I got the promotion that I was working for as a top tier support role that I started to pull ahead. Very recently, she received the promotion she was working for as well, making her wages jump back up to where mine is.

    I think the problem with lower wages for women, is that many just don’t know how to ask or for it during the interview process or just don’t want to take the chance in asking for anything higher. I’ve talked to a lot of women that work in the same department that have way lower wages than I and they have those wages because that is what they asked for during the initial interview process.

  • Babs

    jmoss, you are dead right in some instances, and I’m living proof. At one point in my career I learned that my male counterpart was earning quite a bit more than me for the same job. When I confronted the Director of my department about it, he shrugged and said, “Well, you undersold yourself when we hired you. We didn’t know you were that good.” Ok, for an initial moment, that excuse flies. After the dust settles, and the job is being done, it doesn’t.

  • Exactly Babs. Employers take advantage and bank on the thought that we’re to weak to ask for an increase in pay, but men “sell” themselves to the employer more then women. Its sexism at its best.
    When my husband I were first married(almost 3 years now) we went to purchase furniture, when I stopped in to pay the next day Nate had to work and it was just me. Let me start by saying that things were much different. I was met with a slew of questions and quite the attitude from the male manager who was very chummy with my husband. I was asked why I was paying in cash, where would a college student get the money to pay for furniture in cash? and then questions that I had about deliveries were dismissed and I was told that he spoke to my husband about those issues and I would have to ask him, as if I was the little wife and knew nothing. Well I responded by explaining to this manager that he was out of line with his questioning of where would I get cash to pay for my purchase. I told him that I did not believe in going into debt over a couch and a chair and this nonsense that I would have to “speak to my husband” was ridiculous, I finished by asking him a question of my own, had he ever heard of a Sexual Discrimination Law Suit? He had no legal bearing by barking orders at me to speak with my husband, I was the one who was paying and signing the forms, that legally speaking it was my name and signature on the contract and he was contractually obligated to speak with me and not my husband. Of course you mention “law suit” and your swept away to speak with the store manager and then they quickly start answering your questions. This was my first experience with sexism, and unfortunately it hasn’t been my last.

  • Stalin

    I think that some women are now eating their own. My wife is a stay at home mom and I can’t tell you how many negative comments she has received from career women. “Why would you want to do that? Don’t you feel so insignificant? Aren’t you becoming obsolete? You can’t afford that…etc. Women that make the very courageous decision to stay at home with their children should never be ridiculed or belittled.

  • Babs

    *L* Since I’m one of those stay at homes now, Stallin I appreciate your saying that. I get that same kind of rhetoric all the time. If they only knew how difficult it is – I would feel like I had a vacation if I were back to a 9-5. If you work at home, it’s just assumed you don’t work, and every favor and every errand gets asked of you, because after all, you “don’t have a job”. *LOL*

  • Old fashioned decency

    Stalin,

    I agree with you on every point you made, and I appreciate your understanding of society. I wish people would understand how the liberal metality weakens the nation. I am just grateful that generations past did not think the way some of us do today, or we might be hailing Hitler’s descendants or some other radical, maniacal “leader”.