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It’s about 8:24 pm eastern and CNN Democratic Debate from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina is starting to heat up.
The question began with Wolf asking Obama about Clinton’s claims that Obama can’t account for ways to pay for his economic plans. Obama said both the Clintons were basically lying about it. I’ll have the clip of the exchange up in about 30 minutes.
They are still talking about it, this is the first major outbursts between the two and finally, for the first time, the gloves have come off between Clinton and Obama.
More analysis and video to come shortly.
Update @ 8:28pm est
They’re still going at it, Edwards is whining that there are 3 people there to debate. Best Democratic debate so far. Tune in to the live feed at CNN.com for the fireworks.
Update @ 8:47pm est
Obama’s getting it from both sides now, Edwards is taking him to task over voting “present” in the Illinois legislature. So far Edwards wasn’t getting into it but I think he just opened the floodgates. The remainder of this debate is probably going to be spent responding to what the other candidate says.
Update @ 9pm est
It’s turned slightly more civil as a debate over the issues, not the personal attacks. Big discussion about who can provide the most health insurance coverage. Obama’s actually been able to hold his own taking attacks from Clinton and Edwards. Video clips coming soon.
Here’s 4 minutes of what happened in the first hour between Obama and Clinton:
They both came off a little sharp towards each other. I don’t think it benefited either one but the charges had to be answered. At first, Edwards was above it all but he’s attacked Obama several times since then. More clips coming soon.
Update @ 9:30pm est
Here’s 10 minutes of the first hour:
Who’s coming out on top in all this? I’m not sure yet.
Update @ 9:45pm est
Turned the YouTube clips into a playlist and added a second clip where Hillary was booed over attacking Obama’s “present” votes in the Illinois legislature.
Update @ 10:01pm est
It’s just about over. Only 2 hours, thought it was going to be 3. More clips and analysis to come along with the full video later tonight if you missed the fireworks. Last question about Martin Luther King’s legacy and if each candidate thinks he’d endorse them.
Update @ 10:42pm est
Full debate video is coming in a couple hours. There will be a new post with it and I’ll update this post with a link once it’s up on YouTube.
Update
Our very own “Angry American” was on the air right after the debate on Shaun OMac Radio with some post debate analysis:
Still working on the full debate video, will be up soon. There will be a new post when it’s up.
Update:
Here’s the entire debate video:
Video: CNN Democratic Debate From Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
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Finally they are going at it
Yeah, this one is worth watching. Lots of news coming out as they’re both taking the opportunity to respond to the criticisms which were levied this week. I think Edwards has come out looking better and “above the fray” honestly.
Amazing seeing these two spar
It’s an all out slug fest and there’s no way this can do anygood for Hillary, I think she managed to erase her “emotion” factor by comming off as a mean spirited cold b*@#&$ who so far has been handled by Obama quite well so far, with Edwards chiming in from time to time as the outside “good guy” looking in at two children squabbling.
Well, I am proud of Obama’s defense. Hillary is being too agressive, Edwards is starting to fight for the spot light, but it’s showing his weakness….and then Obama seems to be talking too much…dangerous ground…
She’s coming off far too robotic
Yes..The more he talks he seems to stumble on words.. See a couple instances where his answer and a mis placed word can be used against him in an ad..
Hope you can join us on my radio show at 7pm PT for a review of the debate..
blogtalkradio.com/shaunomacradio
Yes, will do.
Yipes…I think Edwards is being funny nice to Obama. Seems he is making a run for vice president…muahhaa…and he’s being nice to Obama, so my guess is, if Edwards gets too many more hits, he will probably throw in his lots with Obama.
Democrats kick off final showdown before South Carolina
The top three Democratic candidates jumped into Monday night’s debate with a heated discussion about how to stimulate the economy.
Who Won the CNN Democratic Debate in South Carolina?
http://www.youpolls.com/d.....p?pid=1603
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About to start a conversation without rules? sounds no different than it has been for the last hour…
Yeah, this has been entertaining to watch. I can’t believe it’s a full 3 hours though.. That seems a bit much.
ah well….the dems are going to shoot all of us in the foot by boring the voters to death. We wont win, not because we can’t, but because they will spend so much time the night before the election just bickering, that the voters would have stayed up too late, and are too tired, to vote in the real election…
“record lows due to bored voters, who fell asleep”
We will start the program at 8pm PT did not know its a three hour debate
I’m not sure either. But I think this was bill the first black president question was quite interesting…lol
Is it really a three hour debate?? Looking and I cant find the time information
lol…that’s fine. I live in Oregon, so pacific time is my lover…
Barack amde a funny! lol
According to my Tivo schedule, it is listed for 3 hours, 8pm to 11pm est, that’s the only information I have. It may be only 2:30 but we’ll see.
This is going to make for one hell of an interesting week of articles from me on Salem-news.com
They really let each other have it this time…
Good job DirecTV for cutting up a part of it coming back from commercial.. I’ll take hell for that in the full video.
Oh Boy….she just opened up a can of worms saying that both barack and John have lobbyists working for them…
Nope, it’s only 2 hours! Just said they’re out of time. Should be ending soon.
We will start at 7:30pm PT then..lol
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Very Well…I’ll be listening, and probably callin in at least once…I am listening to one of your past shows…
clinton was too quiet, now she’s too aggressive. if she was a man you wouldn’t even notice her aggressiveness or call her a b*&#%. think about it, Obama was pretty aggressive, but what did you say about that? Nothing, and in that case was Edwards too passive? she’s not cold hearted, she delivers her message. please get past it!
Given their history, why would anyone believe anything the HillBilly’s say?
These two criminals are in their element redefining “the end justifying the means”. They are two politicians that have become corrupt by being in their chosen field too long. To avoid prosecution and voter intolerance they sophisticate their lying by redefining words like “is”, “inhale”, “sex”, “perjury”, “draft”, “enabler”, “marriage” and now “fairy tail”.
The Roman Empire was destroyed within by corrupt politicians that felt the end justifies the means and their personal ambitions were more important than the peoples that elected them. Today we are on the brink of electing these two corrupt people to our highest elected office for a third time. How naïve and stupid can we be!
where is the full debate video? i come here for full deabte video please make it very prominent at the top of website. it will drive more viewers
I’m working on the full video, it takes me a few hours to get it encoded and uploaded. These things just don’t happen instantaneously!
Once it’s uploaded, it will be the top post later tonight, prominently displayed! Check back late tonight or tomorrow and you won’t be able to miss it. Rest assured I’m working as fast as I can on getting it uploaded.
Any luck with the debate video?
It’s on the way being uploaded. Remember, patience is a virtue. There will be a new post when the first few parts are available.
I just wanted to tell Nate, thanks very much for your hard work. I understand your task on getting the video(s) up ASAP is arduous and I know it’s not as easy as it seems from this side of the html. I really appreciate your hard work, along with the rest of your staff, as I’m here on this site all the time.
Thanks for the compliments, I appreciate them and thanks for your readership.
Nate, I want to second David’s compliment. Thanks for doing this. I have no television and my Internet is slow, so I really depend on this.
That being said, for some reason some of the clips posted are in a different format (like the one labeled “first 10 minutes of 1st hour,” then the rest. These types do not allow my computer to pause the video and ready the full clip. Instead, I have to wait as it goes for 30 seconds and then goes to buffering.
Do you have any control over which format these videos go up in? Sorry, I realize you are right now busting your ass to get the 2 hour clip up…do not mean to make more work for you.
Yes Nate, thanks for your efforts to publish these debates. I don’t have a television either and rely on your site.
You’re the man Nate and your site rocks! Take whatever time you need to finish encoding and uploading the full debate.
Michael, regarding your video problem, if you have firefox download the flashblock add-on/extension
addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/433
It is a wonderful add on:
Flashblock…takes a pessimistic approach to dealing with Macromedia Flash content on a webpage and blocks ALL Flash content from loading. It then leaves placeholders on the webpage that allow you to click to download and then view the Flash content.
Michael, the one you’re having trouble with is from a new service called RedLasso (redlasso.com). That must be the way it works. I’ve been using it lately just to test it out but I appreciate your feedback on it. On my DSL it seems to work fine but with a slower connection it must take the extra time to begin buffering or something.
I’ll probably continue using it because it’s useful for video I can’t get but maybe like Travis mentioned, you could try that plugin in Firefox which allows you to pick and choose which flash objects load so you could avoid them if they’re a problem.
Also, the service is in beta testing so they might still be working out bugs. I will forward your problem onto them.
Thanks for the feedback on it.
When I upload I put everything on YouTube because it seems to be the most compatible.
(It’s the day after the debate.)
After watching this debate, I could never vote for Hillary. Her crack about Obama working for a slumlord was way out of line. She continually says she has the strength to stand up against the Republicans…so already she’s goading them! At least Barak is talking about unity. Hillary seems to be in a constant state of “fight”. When she tones it down, people warm up to her, but she seems unable to keep the tone consistently civil. I don’t think she’s very stable….and those looks she shoots people when they challenge her are downright chilling.
You guys are nuts! Both Hillary and Obama were embarrassing and illustrated that for them, this race is all about them. Edwards was the only one who acted like the adult and when he was speaking to Obama, he sounded like I do when I speak to my out of control teenager. Very steady but still pointing out inconsistencies in his argument. These two are a joke and the republicans are laughing all the way to the white house.
Obama looked like an immature child trying to evade worthy criticism from his opponents. He is not ready to be president and is full of hot air excuses. The more I here him speak the sillier he begins to look. He lacks substance and replaces it with eloquent rhetoric.
I thought his jab about running against Bill or Hillary shows how inexperienced he really is. Bill Clinton WAS the president of the United States. If his opinions were not valid than who’s would be. Its just happenstance that he is also Hillary’s husband. I never saw Obama complaining when Oprah Winfrey was speaking out on his behalf. I think Obama likes to hold himself above the fray but the mere truth is he in this thing to win as everyone else is. I thought Edwards was right on when he pointed out to Obama that he was criticizing Hillary’s merit about isolating specific votes when he himself has been doing that to both Clinton and Edwards all along. He is a hypocrite and I think he comes off smug. He reminds me of my little brother who is very good at speaking his way out of wrongdoings. But the truth is always there for those who want to see it!
Make sure you all take the opportunity to visit and discuss the same topics in the forum!!!!
I think that John Edwards did a great job taking advantage of the fray and I think he won this debate. That said, I’m frustrated with all the negative comments about Hillary. I think that Hillary has raised the bar on these debates. She’s smart, she is direct, and she has a plan. Thanks to her, we are enlightened to the candidates’ specifics. She comes off as a good debater, and a passionate candidate to me. Barak is a smart man, he can handle it. Besides, after one of these three is selected, s/he is going to get walk a harsher gauntlet from the Republican side.
Angry/Nate,
I am not really gung-ho about the forum medium. It differentiates a united discussion on events from all over. It seemed as though YouDecide2008 was an attempt to bring things together– all the different media sources and clips into one united front. The forum structure, at least at present, seems to work against it. It distinguishes and separates (Republican/Democratic/General Discussions, etc.). It would be great to have an “online” option for people when they click on “comments” so that there is “real time” response capabilities. But I am not really excited about clicking on forum, going to a specific thread, and then commenting on what is happening here on the home page.
“After watching this debate, I could never vote for Hillary. Her crack about Obama working for a slumlord was way out of line”– Why was it out of line… it is the absolute truth… and she only resorted to that attack after Obama criticized her for being on the Walmart board. He is such a whiner that I do not believe I will be able to vote for him if he wins the nomination.
Travis, thanks for the suggestion. I just downloaded it.
Tried out Travis’s suggestion. What this does is it blocks flash programs from starting. This wasn’t my problem. Once I click on the video, it still needs to buffer every few minutes.
So the problem is not loading the flash, but downloading the actual file. Youtube videos can be paused in midstream, allowing your computer to continue downloading — the entire clip — before unpausing them. This format does not, and the plugin doesn’t change it.
I highly encourage everyone to go to factcheck.org and take a look at the various accusations that were thrown about during the debate. I think once you see what was actually *true*, which of the candidates were being mostly honest and which were spinning like crazy to try and score political points becomes pretty apparent.
Obama is a true breath of fresh air. I urge all democrats to go back and watch Emilio Estivez’s movie Bobby, and listen to Bobby Kennedy’s speeches. That is the last time we had a candidate who was an inspired human being. That cannot be faked-it comes from the heart.
I understand how many are supporting Hillary. But do you want 8 more years of acrimony as the Right comes after her as they did her husbad. Would that be good for the country? She and Bill started showing immediately after the Iowa loss that they will go to any depths to get her elected. Do you think that kind of acrimony won’t follow her into the White House!
Read about what Obama accomplished on the Harvard Law Review. He is a real uniter-and although I wish he was more to the left-I think our counrty need some healing now, and he is clearly better situated to bring that about.